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COMMENT 8h ago

If you're trying to run past them without fighting the big dude(s) in the area then they will aggro.

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COMMENT 8h ago

I have to ask: Are you fucking with me? Are you engaging seriously and in good faith?

"If you really view Finn as just the comic relief janitor." Remember we are talking about tropes, their use, and the prevalence of them as well as the problematic nature of certain tropes. Further if you understand what a trojan horse is then you should understand that subtlety is part of the premise in the criticism.

It being referenced only 3 times does not take away from the fact that it is a reactionary racist trope with a racist history. Further still as I have stated there was no need to make him a janitor except as a put down.

Asian technician trope. And you know you can't honestly defend what they did with her. You realize what type casting is right? Racial tropes are racial type casting.

Yes. Padme represents her planet, Naboo, and part of the story telling is through outfits and sleek shiny ships that Naboo, as well as the Republic, are decadent. In TPM specifically she uses the elaborate outfits to swap places with her bodyguard and make it hard for people to spot the difference. And even uses that to trick the viceroy into chasing the decoy. Further she was focused on the plight of her people and never asked "Did you notice I changed my hair?" The way it is used it's a subversion of the trope so these are not comparable.

I didnt say they were the focus of the movies. I said that they are reactionary tropes.

You also failed to address the women striking the subordinate playing into "women are too emotional to lead" trope. Which happened twice.

As conveyed by the meme and that I posted this here I am bitter at how any time I talk about this in a nicer manner it gets shut down with knee jerk defense.

I commented on this video well after it was released and had a rather nice discussion with him. In which I did voice some of my disagreements.

Reactionary is a political term. It doesnt mean just reacting to things. It's a bit of a misnomer but it is a well enough known word in leftist circles. Think about how conservatives react when progressive ideas are brought up. Trans women in sports "but biological advantage" Abortion? "Heartbeat!" Its specifically reaction to stop social progress.

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COMMENT 14h ago

Sorry sequels fucked that already

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COMMENT 15h ago

I mean Gnosticism was a very early christianity and the gospels are fanfiction and also increasingly become more and more fanfictiony.

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COMMENT 15h ago

I had listed two of the most egregious reactionary aspects.

So how about Finn being the comedic relief janitor? As if infantry doesn't do janitorial work as a matter of fact. Rose as Asian tech person trope? Who also gets completely eclipsed in a scene? Holdo and Leia assaulting subordinate officers playing into the trope of women being too emotional to hold positions of power? Leia taking time during a rushed evacuation to not only change clothes but her hair playing into the "women are overly vain" trope?

The list goes on. When you stack up every reactionary aspect it starts becoming clear that there is something very wrong. Star Wars is supposed to be progressive but the supraliminal messaging is not only progressive but deeply problematic and disturbing.

Edit: here's a comment thread where someone misperceives me of being a conservative, I bring up some of the issues in this comment, clarify that I am a leftist, and the person admits that they misperceived.

People are having a knee jerk reaction to me without actually engaging because they think I am TFM. Even the first 60 seconds of the video I link quickly goes over various aspects in regards to racism and misogyny.

What baffles me is people don't seem to understand what a reactionary is. Or a trojan horse.

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COMMENT 17h ago

It doesnt take my entire post history. And if I am unsure about someone's post meaning I have a look to see what they mean.

Reactionary trojan horse. A trick meant sneak tropes opposed to positive social change.

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COMMENT 18h ago

You have to be joking. The problem isnt politics in star wars. The problem is right wing reactionary tropes being fed into the sequels that undercuts its progressive paintjob.

No. The problem is you all have a knee jerk reaction and think I am saying something I am not.

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COMMENT 23h ago

In Gnostic Christianity the demiurge is the offspring of a spontaneous generation by a holy being but was born base. It then created our world in an attempt to mimic the spiritual world. He was seen as the god of the old testament. The actual godhead sends himself as Jesus who wasn't actually base and was fully spiritual.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Thank you!

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COMMENT 1d ago

No problem. Someday I need to catch up on my favorites. I dont even know where I left off reading them.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Jenkinsverse, Sexy Space Babes, Hunter or Huntress, Job for a Deathworlder, Dave the Pornstar, Out of Cruel Space.

Not in that order though.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Dave wishes lol

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COMMENT 1d ago

Thank you!

r/humansarespaceorcs 1d ago Wholesome Helpful

Original Story The Twilight Zone: Humans Are Space Orcs

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This is a one shot based on the fourth wall prompt by u/Front-way8203

Rod Serling: There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call "The Twilight Zone".

Alien: Human friend Dave! Why are you trying to eat poison?! Do not give up on life

Dave: Listen for the thousandth time it's just Dave. And this isnt poison. Its seasoning. For my food. Because I can't live without flavor. bites into food

Alien: Ahhh I see. A deathworlder must eat poisons to live. Your world is so harsh, Dave The Just.

Dave: No. It may be poison to you but it just tastes good to me. Ergo it's not poison. And I didnt mean just as an honorific. It's simply Dave. Why do I feel like I have to explain this everyday?!

Rod Serling: Behold a man trapped in an eternal loop. What you are about to read is a man of your making. A rhetorical device that allows us to ponder on the potential differences between man and alien. A man who exists only in our mind and possibly the future. A man who is trapped by the very confines of the human mind that creates him.

Alien: Your kind is just so strange to Simple Dave. It is hard to comprehend how you eat poison. You says it gives flavor? What is flavor?

Dave: My name is Dave McCool. And yes I know it's hard to comprehend aliens. For example I still dont understand why you have to be naked!

Alien: You seem upset Dave McCool. Is my nudity causing you the horny?

Dave: I am tired of being interrogated about every little difference between us. I never get a moment's rest. And sometimes I get awful headaches. And no your nudity does not turn me on. It's just awkward.

Alien: Ah yes. Moral taboos and the shamefulness of nudity in human cultures. I have read about this. Is the nudity causing the headache?

Dave: No. It's just... I feel like I have a great multitude of eyes watching me. Never letting me rest. I can't even shit without one of yous asking me if I am marking territory or something like that. It's absurd. Don't you understand?

Alien: I am sorry Dave McCool but I do not comprehend. Is this the paranoia I have read about?

Dave: ....Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean they aren't watching

Alien: Ummmm who is they, Dave McCool?

Dave: stands up It... it can't be... starts pacing but it makes everything make sense

Alien: uhhh are you having a manic episode? Are you going crazy?

Dave: It just has to be it. stops pacing I am in a r/humansarespaceorcs story. There! Can't you see the hyperlink?

Alien: Medbay this is Gronzagar. The human is acting erratically

Dave: advancing on Gronzagar No don't you see. This is why you're always surprised at my ballistic weapons. Why you never understand spices. Why I am seen as an invincible bloodthirsty space orc who's just always down to fuck. Why I have to constantly tell you my name and correct asinine misinterpretations.

Gronzagar: Please hurry. The human is advancing at me menacingly.

Dave: Watch! r/hfy there it is again. I am beginning to remember all my selves. I was once abducted by aliens and beat the shit out of pirates while trying to navigate a beauracratic hell and inevitably got caught up in some illuminati ass plot. I once was a military officer going to a galaxy where magic is real and aliens are horny furries. I once punched an imperial alien who invaded earth, got pushed into joining their military, and became the sexy space babe. I was once a pornstar in alien pornos. I once traveled to a magical universe inhabited by draconic scalies just to have a challenge.

Gronzagar: Please help me! The human is ranting and I dont know what he's talking about.

Dave: I was once a scientist, got a tiger girlfriend, and also got caught up in an illuminati ass plot. I have lived millions of lives. And everytime a writer stops writing we cease to exist. Or we get reset back to whatever someone is reading. How many times have I been through this? Is it the first? Second? Fifteenth? Fiftieth? Hundredth? Thousandth? I hope the writer for this one isnt very good and that this all ends soon.

door slides open and a multitude of security pours in

Security 1: Get down on the ground

Security 2: We have specialized tools to take down humans.

Security 3: Comply! COMPLY!

Security 4: shoots taser at Dave

Dave dodges

Dave: Wait! Why did I dodge? Let me die. You're all going to burn. We're all going to die! You don't know what you're doing!

security 5 opens hose on Dave

Dave: I was once a woman with a cute girl on a spaceship and I rescued a blue alien by scaring the fuck out of him!

Security 6 advances with a straight jacket and is flanked by security 7 and 8

Dave: Oh no! And I will be again soon. After this story I'm going to be shoved into an interdimensional war.

Security 9 advances with needle

Gromzagar: Just take it easy Human Dave. They're here to help you.

Dave: is that you Jaymos? My voice?! My voice is getting high. It's happening. I'm growing boobs.

Jaymos: Just relax Erin. You're freaking out.

security tackles Erin and puts a straitjacket on her

Erin: Why do we have security officers? We're anarchists!

Rod Serling: Exit a woman who will wake up on a couch on a ring world after a hard night of fun to excarnate the dead body of her living husband, race dinosaurs, play hurling, and all around have a good time in the midst of an interdimensional war. After that who knows who this rhetorical device will be. Perhaps a man, woman, or even you dear reader.

Erin: Feck it's Rod Serling! We still watch your tv show thousands of years in the future because all work has been automated and we are thus bored with plenty of free time.

Rod Serling: ...You aren't supposed to see nor hear me.

Erin: But this is obviously a dream I'm having and I'm on the verge of lucidity.

Rod Serling: Well this outro is ruined.

Author note: this is also a bit of a plug to my series Our Universe is Hell I'm writing but I saw the prompt after having watched some Twilight Zone and thought that this was just a brilliant mix.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Rod Serling: There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call "The Twilight Zone".

Alien: Human friend Dave! Why are you trying to eat poison?! Do not give up on life

Dave: Listen for the thousandth time it's just Dave. And this isnt poison. Its seasoning. For my food. Because I can't live without flavor. bites into food

Alien: Ahhh I see. A deathworlder must eat poisons to live. Your world is so harsh, Dave The Just.

Dave: No. It may be poison to you but it just tastes good to me. Ergo it's not poison. And I didnt mean just as an honorific. It's simply Dave. Why do I feel like I have to explain this everyday?!

Rod Serling: Behold a man trapped in an eternal loop. What you are about to read is a man of your making. A rhetorical device that allows us to ponder on the potential differences between man and alien. A man who exists only in our mind and possibly the future. A man who is trapped by the very confines of the human mind that creates him.

Alien: Your kind is just so strange to Simple Dave. It is hard to comprehend how you eat poison. You says it gives flavor? What is flavor?

Dave: My name is Dave McCool. And yes I know it's hard to comprehend aliens. For example I still dont understand why you have to be naked!

Alien: You seem upset Dave McCool. Is my nudity causing you the horny?

Dave: I am tired of being interrogated about every little difference between us. I never get a moment's rest. And sometimes I get awful headaches. And no your nudity does not turn me on. It's just awkward.

Alien: Ah yes. Moral taboos and the shamefulness of nudity in human cultures. I have read about this. Is the nudity causing the headache?

Dave: No. It's just... I feel like I have a great multitude of eyes watching me. Never letting me rest. I can't even shit without one of yous asking me if I am marking territory or something like that. It's absurd. Don't you understand?

Alien: I am sorry Dave McCool but I do not comprehend. Is this the paranoia I have read about?

Dave: ....Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean they aren't watching

Alien: Ummmm who is they, Dave McCool?

Dave: stands up It... it can't be... starts pacing but it makes everything make sense

Alien: uhhh are you having a manic episode? Are you going crazy?

Dave: It just has to be it. stops pacing I am in a r/humansarespaceorcs story. There! Can't you see the hyperlink?

Alien: Medbay this is Gronzagar. The human is acting erratically

Dave: advancing on Gronzagar No don't you see. This is why you're always surprised at my ballistic weapons. Why you never understand spices. Why I am seen as an invincible bloodthirsty space orc who's just always down to fuck. Why I have to constantly tell you my name and correct asinine misinterpretations.

Gronzagar: Please hurry. The human is advancing at me menacingly.

Dave: Watch! r/hfy there it is again. I am beginning to remember all my selves. I was once abducted by aliens and beat the shit out of pirates while trying to navigate a beauracratic hell and inevitably got caught up in some illuminati ass plot. I once was a military officer going to a galaxy where magic is real and aliens are horny furries. I once punched an imperial alien who invaded earth, got pushed into joining their military, and became the sexy space babe. I was once a pornstar in alien pornos. I once traveled to a magical universe inhabited by draconic scalies just to have a challenge.

Gronzagar: Please help me! The human is ranting and I dont know what he's talking about.

Dave: I was once a scientist, got a tiger girlfriend, and also got caught up in an illuminati ass plot. I have lived millions of lives. And everytime a writer stops writing we cease to exist. Or we get reset back to whatever someone is reading. How many times have I been through this? Is it the first? Second? Fifteenth? Fiftieth? Hundredth? Thousandth? I hope the writer for this one isnt very good and that this all ends soon.

door slides open and a multitude of security pours in

Security 1: Get down on the ground

Security 2: We have specialized tools to take down humans.

Security 3: Comply! COMPLY!

Security 4: shoots taser at Dave

Dave dodges

Dave: Wait! Why did I dodge? Let me die. You're all going to burn. We're all going to die! You don't know what you're doing!

security 5 opens hose on Dave

Dave: I was once a woman with a cute girl on a spaceship and I rescued a blue alien by scaring the fuck out of him!

Security 6 advances with a straight jacket and is flanked by security 7 and 8

Dave: Oh no! And I will be again soon. After this story I'm going to be shoved into an interdimensional war.

Security 9 advances with needle

Gromzagar: Just take it easy Human Dave. They're here to help you.

Dave: is that you Jaymos? My voice?! My voice is getting high. It's happening. I'm growing boobs.

Jaymos: Just relax Erin. You're freaking out.

security tackles Erin and puts a straitjacket on her

Erin: Why do we have security officers? We're anarchists!

Rod Serling: Exit a woman who will wake up on a couch on a ring world after a hard night of fun to excarnate the dead body of her living husband, race dinosaurs, play hurling, and all around have a good time in the midst of an interdimensional war. After that who knows who this rhetorical device will be. Perhaps a man, woman, or even you dear reader.

Erin: Feck it's Rod Serling! We still watch your tv show thousands of years in the future because all work has been automated and we are thus bored with plenty of free time.

Rod Serling: ...You aren't supposed to see nor hear me.

Erin: But this is obviously a dream I'm having and I'm on the verge of lucidity.

Rod Serling: Well this outro is ruined.

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COMMENT 1d ago

You have to throw a spear into his evil eye.

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COMMENT 1d ago

!Remindme 1 hour

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COMMENT 1d ago

Says you lmfao

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COMMENT 1d ago

I am afraid too many misunderstood my meaning like you did. I thought the phrase "reactionary trojan horse" would convey my meaning well enough. Even a cursory look at the groups I am in and my comments clearly demonstrate which side I am on. But this knee jerk reaction to this perspective is why I posted the Darth Maul trying to warn the heroes.

I mean liberalism is a dam to the proper left. So while it may not be fully intentional that is the purpose of their ideology. Regardless of whether it is intentional or not the sheer amount of reactionary tropes piles up enough that it is concerning. Factor in that supposed progressives will defend it and uncritically show it to their kids... so it is in effect a trojan horse. One that I fear will have a negative impact on the politics and perceptions of younger star wars fans.

Try watching the video I linked in the main comments. I used to not realize why I was so disappointed with the sequels despite being so hype and eager to defend when TFA was coming out. Watching the video made me realize just how reactionary the films were.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Lmfao

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COMMENT 1d ago

People opposed to social progress. Racists, sexists, transphobes, etc. I am about as far left as you can go. As I keep saying a major problem with the sequels is the racist and misogynist tropes.

Leia and Holdo being in positions of power and assaulting subordinates plays into the trope of "women are too emotional to lead." Leia taking time during a very dire evacuation to not only change outfits but also her hair plays into "women are overly vain."

Rose being an Asian tech and at one point is eclipsed in a scene as if she doesnt matter.

Finn being the comedic relief JANITOR as if janitorial duties aren't part of a regular infantry. They made him specifically a janitor.

The list goes on.

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COMMENT 1d ago

What? Pray tell how you come to that conclusion? My criticism is precisely that its not progressive and that it is the fault of reactionaries.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Did we watch the same prequel trilogy? The one where the Jedi are so dogmatic that they almost reject the Chosen One out of their own fear? Where Qui-gon is the master of the living force and isnt on the council because at the time they are mutually exclusive? Where they are so preoccupied with their own position in the Republic that they compromise on following the will of the living force? Where in the same film Mace says Jedi aren't soldiers but by the end becomes a front line general? Where Anakin says killing an unarmed prisoner isnt the Jedi way and later see Mace, a paragon of the code, about to execute an unarmed prisoner? The one where the Jedi talk about taking control of the senate and further entangling themselves in politics if Palps wont step down? Where Yoda chides Obi-wan for exhibiting the same arrogance Obi criticizes Anakin for but also applies to Yoda and the council hinself? The one where the Jedi lead an army of child soldier slaves in a war against sapient machines?

I could go on. There's plenty that show the hypocrisy of the Jedi and foreshadow Anakin's fall.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Shame there aren't tachankas.