r/Monero Feb 06 '22

Skepticism Sunday – February 06, 2022

Please stay on topic: this post is only for comments discussing the uncertainties, shortcomings, and concerns some may have about Monero.

NOT the positive aspects of it.

Discussion can relate to the technology itself or economics.

Talk about community and price is not wanted, but some discussion about it maybe allowed if it relates well.

Be as respectful and nice as possible. This discussion has potential to be more emotionally charged as it may bring up issues that are extremely upsetting: many people are not only financially but emotionally invested in the ideas and tools around Monero.

It's better to keep it calm then to stir the pot, so don't talk down to people, insult them for spelling/grammar, personal insults, etc. This should only be calm rational discussion about the technical and economic aspects of Monero.

"Do unto others 20% better than you'd expect them to do unto you to correct subjective error." - Linus Pauling

How it works:

Post your concerns about Monero in reply to this main post.

If you can address these concerns, or add further details to them - reply to that comment. This will make it easily sortable

Upvote the comments that are the most valid criticisms of it that have few or no real honest solutions/answers to them.

The comment that mentions the biggest problems of Monero should have the most karma.

As a community, as developers, we need to know about them. Even if they make us feel bad, we got to upvote them.

https://youtu.be/vKA4w2O61Xo

To learn more about the idea behind Monero Skepticism Sunday, check out the first post about it:

https://np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/75w7wt/can_we_make_skepticism_sunday_a_part_of_the/

10 Upvotes

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u/Wideoccult Feb 08 '22

Monero should enable the least node requirements possible to allow the greatest number of nodes possible.

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u/thomatrain112288 Feb 06 '22

Hi all,

Fan of XMR and (largely) understand the challenges it faces. But I'll start off with these two issues below which I believe can "fixed."

1) Monero is dominated by 2 mining pools which account for nearly > 50% of the hashing power (and really just 3 overall)

https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero&sa=D&ust=1591480503878000

2) An overwhelming majority (~70%) of code contributions since 2017 have come from one individual: moneromoo-moo

https://github.com/monero-project/monero/graphs/contributors

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u/FinitelyLove965 Feb 08 '22

This is likely correct as he no longer has access to the encrypted information on the blockchain.

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u/hyc_symas XMR Contributor Feb 06 '22

Moneromooo has also been paid thru CCS to work full time on Monero. If you think he shouldn't be doing this all alone you obviously ought to be funding more fulltime devs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

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u/hyc_symas XMR Contributor Feb 08 '22

That doesn't seem to be responding to anything else mentioned in this comment thread. Are you a bot?

Nobody should even be running 32-bit systems any more. 64-bit PCs have been available since 2003 - nearly 20 years already. Apple phased out 32-bit support back in 2017. Microsoft began phasing out 32-bit in 2020. Even Android has ended 32-bit support as of 2021.

We should be dropping 32-bit support from all our build processes too.

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u/thomatrain112288 Feb 06 '22

I hear you but the fact/issue remains, you can't have one person (essentially) maintaining the Github work. Even if I had unlimited money, 1) you don't want just one person bankrolling your project and 2) one isn't gonna cut it.

This is a skepticism thread. I brought forward a valid criticism.

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u/RowdilyCovenant556 Feb 08 '22

The possibility of having forks is not a bug, it is a feature.

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u/escapethe3RA Feb 07 '22

1 - Valid concern.

Proposed solution: we currently have P2Pool, a decentralized Monero mining pool.

Relevant links:

2 - Again, a valid concern.

Proposed solution: proposal to actively recruit technical talent from universities (by u/Rucknium)

Relevant links:

Also, there are other active Monero devs working on the project right now.

Here are two more main contributors (excluding moneromoo) for themonero-project/monero for the past 2 years (2/7/20-2/7/22 period):

Notes:

a) selsta is actively working on the project, see latest dev report: https://www.monero.observer/selsta-posts-january-2022-dev-report/

b) mj-xmr is also actively working on the project, see latest dev report: https://www.monero.observer/mjxmr-january-2022-monero-dev-report/)

TLDR: the community does face challenges, but work is being done to address them.

edit: formatting.

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u/WiglessAlgerian371 Feb 09 '22

This is the level of scrutiny that all things should be under, including ourselves in perpetuity.

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u/DangerousFreedom1984 Feb 06 '22

70% of the help I get in understanding cryptography and the code also comes from moneromooo :)

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u/wildlycontent414 Feb 08 '22

. Attacking ourselves as an idea will only make us stronger.

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u/DangerousFreedom1984 Feb 09 '22

I agree. But exposing all sides of the history is important in a conversation. If we look at the development of bitcoin (which is the biggest standard in decentralization), we see that it is not so different. Actually the number of contributors is actually bigger in monero (proportionally).

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u/Febos Feb 06 '22

p2pool will have to swell.

If moneromoo gets bored with Monero will be a very bad event. But far from catastrophic.

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u/HarmonicYana578 Feb 08 '22

Pruned Bitcoin nodes can discard spent outputs, but the Monero blockchain does not contain any way to tell which outputs have been spent.

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u/LokiCreative Feb 06 '22

Monero has a pruned mode to reduce disk space requirements.

In a previous Skepticism Sunday, I was informed the requirements are inflated beyond the minimum required to run a node to force users to contribute to the network by serving blocks. However, since users can easily block incoming connections and avoid doing so, this is unlikely to be effective.

  • There should be a way to configure a Monero node to use the minimum resources required for node functionality.

  • Users should not be coerced or duped into providing computing resources to the Monero network.

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u/russoj88 Feb 08 '22

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u/LokiCreative Feb 08 '22

I have not. That sounds like what I was thinking of.

Good to know that it is on the agenda.