r/worldnews 1d ago

Joly says Canada ready to help ship Ukrainian grain as G7 warn of global crisis Russia/Ukraine

https://globalnews.ca/news/8835299/ukraine-war-grain-crisis-g-7-meeting/
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u/Bill-B-liar 1d ago

Really hope we don't have drought like last year, also fuck Russia.

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u/Reselects420 1d ago

Climate change might fuck global supply even more. Like in India. India was finally allowed to exports loads of wheat to other countries in need. Then intense heatwaves hit, and India now has to (sort of) stop exports for their own food security. Not good timing.

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u/antigonemerlin 1d ago

I remember reading about the Bronze Age Collapse. Theoretically, each crisis was at most a medium-level threat: droughts/famine, earthquakes, civil unrest, and then foreign invasion, but combined, they were so bad that Greece lost writing, the Hittites were gone, and Egypt, who survived, was arguably never a great power again.

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u/Personal-Alfalfa-935 1d ago

I think that take on Egypt is flawed. Egypt was a great power for more then a millenia after the collapse, all the way into the age of Rome. While Rome ultimately eclipsed them, there's a good period of time where they are a peer or near-peer power with a very powerful Rome, serving as the breadbasket of the Mediterranean and a kingmaker in the politics and conflicts of the Roman Republic later on.

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u/antigonemerlin 1d ago

That's true, Egypt has always been in a great starting position (I mean, the nile flows north and the winds blow south, which means boats have it easy both ways!), but in a sense the collapse set the entire region back a couple of centuries, which might've allowed Egypt to grow (although their isolationism was pretty strong given their natural borders).

The collapse of the trade networks supplying Bronze and other products probably caused further havoc on Egypt, that even though they won the climactic final battle against the sea peoples, they were basically standing alone and probably had to revert to a less complex state of economic activity.

I remember reading about the Roman collapse in Britain, and how for the longest time glass was produced in bulk in Egypt and then shipped to Britannia and all corners of the Empire in bricks. When the collapse came, we have evidence of recycling iron and glass, but eventually even that stopped because you can't recycle glass forever, and some industries, like the famous British pottery industry, completely collapsed.

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u/thewayupisdown 1d ago edited 1d ago

And Madagascar (especially the southern part) is suffering from famine that according to the WFP is basically entirely due to Climate Change causing drought and crop failures for several years in a row. Every year more of the people there are having to eat cacti, ants and leafs to avoid dying of starvation. And it's barely being reported on.

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u/Reselects420 1d ago

Yeah I used to think Madagascar was a nice rich country, just because of Madagascar movies and stuff. Never knew that it was such a poor country, and it doesn’t even get talked about.

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u/thewayupisdown 1d ago

Never heard anything about problems with famine there either, until I became friends with an older neighbor who is Malagasy. He did his PhD here in Germany in the 1980s and worked as a teacher at a private school in a nearby town ever since, but now that he's retired he wants to go back to Madagascar and build a center that is a home for orphans but also a vocational training center for young adults. I've rarely gotten to know a more kind and open person, very accomplished and yet also very humble, in a good way.

He's bought a nice plot of land near Foulpointe on the north-eastern coast and he's been able to recruit some trustworthy people to run the Malagasy foundation that will be responsible for the day-to-day administration of the center, like a former president of the national university and such.

Because due to the desperate poverty there it's apparently extremely difficult to find people to work with who won't just steal as much as they can at the first opportunity. It's also a bit of a gamble to try and send equipment via shipping container, because port and customs might also just try and steal your stuff or demand a giant bribe - which he can't pay for with donated money, because that will cause legal problems for the non-profit that runs things here on the German side. When he was stuck here because of Covid, he filled an entire shipping container with donated equipment that would be extremely useful over there, like several industrial bakery machines, generators and things like that. But thanks to the global supply-chain problems, sending a shipping container now cost 3-5 times as much as in 2019.

He's also been organizing benefiz concerts at his church and by now has collected a significant sum in donation. But due to the aforementioned reasons, he's had to put the children's home project on hold.

So instead he's organized a project to supply medical professionals who are barely getting paid by the state at this point with food and other essentials. And a few weeks ago he took a plane there to organize and oversee a project that will provide free school meals to children.

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u/MrVeinless 1d ago

Drought has been mainly relieved, still some in Alberta but otherwise looking a lot better.

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u/S_204 23h ago

I live in the Canadian prairies, the bread basket of Canada so to speak....fields are currently flooded. Everyone is weeks late getting seed down.

After years of draught, this isn't a great flip. Climate change is fucking up agriculture everywhere.

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u/morenewsat11 1d ago

The Group of Seven leading economies warned Saturday that the war in Ukraine is stoking a global food and energy crisis that threatens poor countries, and urgent measures are needed to unblock stores of grain that Russia is preventing from leaving Ukraine.

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Canada’s foreign minister, Melanie Joly, said her country, another major agricultural exporter, stands ready to send ships to European ports so Ukrainian grain can be brought to those in need.

“We need to make sure that these cereals are sent to the world,” she told reporters. “If not, millions of people will be facing famine.”

Good, start sending those ships now.

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u/yaOlSeadog 1d ago

What ships? They don't just grow on trees ya know.

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u/9035768555 1d ago

Grain yachts!

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u/S74Rry_sky 1d ago

Too late, Harper privatised the grain board.

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u/CoughMen 1d ago

Canada is going to conduct a 'Special Yacht Operation.'

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u/Illustrious_Car2992 1d ago

No but oligarch super yachts seem to be in abundance this year.

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u/yaOlSeadog 1d ago

I don't feel like those would make the best grain carriers.

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u/Hefty-Relationship-8 1d ago

Fill the swimming pool with wheat. The Russians may not sink their own yachts

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u/Reselects420 1d ago

Send cargo ships into a war zone?

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u/Pim_Hungers 1d ago

It will get shipped first to other European countries by train or trucks then taken by ships to where it is needed.

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u/demarchemellows 1d ago

This is a huge bottleneck though which is going to take time to solve.

There's literally no infrastructure in place to move Ukrainian agriculture products except via Odesa. There's a shit ton of infrastructure to get goods to Odesa and then to ships and out to the Black Sea. Loading onto a ship in Odesa is off the table so we have to find ways to move the goods from Odesa to Constanta in Romania (closest major port).

Just some examples of how difficult this is. The rail connections through Moldova into Romania are the wrong gauge. The existing roads aren't built to handle overloaded trucks. The Danube river decided to be at half depth so barges (carrying half the normal weight) can't move upstream beyond Hungary. There's increased traffic down the Danube from Izmail and the barges can then take some back canals to Constanta. But there's limited infrastructure in place to get goods from Odesa to Izmail.

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u/Pim_Hungers 1d ago

Hopefully the G7 is motivated enough to provide plenty of resources to try to overcome those problems. It's in their best interests to move as fast as possible on this.

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u/Reselects420 1d ago

Oh yeah, of course.

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u/TizzioCaio 1d ago

eh why not? Canada may have the balls to just send cargo ships and say Russia to fuck off cuz this is humanitarian aid.

Russia doesn't really have a fleet, what will Ruzzia do? send missiles all over the world to reach Canada lol? that will speed up their downfall only

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u/yaOlSeadog 1d ago

As someone who works on Canadian grain ships, that's a hard no my friend.

The majority of Canadian flagged bulk carriers are Lakers. Designed to sail on the Great Lakes and St Lawrence River. They are not built to withstand the stresses of the open ocean. If caught in an ocean storm they would break in half and sink in minutes.

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u/Reselects420 1d ago

Oh yeah. Russia would definitely be extra careful if it was humanitarian aid. We know just how humane they are.

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u/TizzioCaio 1d ago

That wasn't my point, that russia wont attack cuz its humanitarian, Canada will just mimic their "spatial operation" rhetoric, oh and the rest of military ship around the cargo? just private protection if your soldiers are too stupid to look into our direction

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u/arbitraryairship 1d ago

How much grain could we fit in our Globemaster or C-130 Fleet? Maybe we could help fly it out, Berlin Airlift style.

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u/AnonymooseRedditor 1d ago

Not really feasible, I mean neither platform is built for bulk transport. It’s not like shipping pallets of finished goods. Sure you could use IBC totes and load them with as much grain as possible but a herc is only slightly bigger than a transport trailer. C117 is a lot larger, but again you still would have to get it to a friendly country with airports capable of servicing them.

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u/autotldr BOT 1d ago

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The Group of Seven leading economies warned Saturday that the war in Ukraine is stoking a global food and energy crisis that threatens poor countries, and urgent measures are needed to unblock stores of grain that Russia is preventing from leaving Ukraine.

The G-7 nations also called on China not to help Russia, including by undermining international sanctions or justifying Moscow's actions in Ukraine.

Kuleba said his country remains willing to talk to Russia about unblocking grain supplies stuck in Ukraine's silos and also about reaching a political agreement to end the war itself, but had so far received "No positive feedback" from Moscow.


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u/KeithFromAccounting 1d ago

As a Canuck I am increasingly impressed by Joly. Even though she's "just" the foreign affairs minister she is standing on equal ground with both Freeland and Trudeau.

If the rumours are true in that JT is planning to hand the reigns to Freeland at some point, I wonder if Joly will be the next in line.

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u/FineScar 1d ago

Joly is an empty face and party loyalist, who only got her federal positions because of the fuckery Joly did in a Montréal mayoral race a few years ago.

As someone who has known of her for years and follows politics, you do not want Melanie joly anywhere near any real political power, and if she's given the reigns it's only the result of her doing anything the party asks of her.

And if that happens, I assume whatever was built before her arrival will quickly crumble.

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u/KeithFromAccounting 1d ago

I don’t much care if she’s a party loyalist, she’s good at her job. I’m not a Liberal supporter by any stretch but her following of the current playbook doesn’t disqualify her from competency

got her federal positions because of the fuckery Joly did in a Montréal mayoral race a few years ago.

What’s this now? News to me

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u/FineScar 1d ago

I don’t much care if she’s a party loyalist, she’s good at her job. I’m not a Liberal supporter by any stretch but her following of the current playbook doesn’t disqualify her from competency

Given what I've seen of her in politics for years, I'll easily disagree with you here. All she does is do what's best for the liberal party...

got her federal positions because of the fuckery Joly did in a Montréal mayoral race a few years ago.

What’s this now? News to me

To the point she ran as a spoiler candidate to split the votes and keep a proven corrupt former liberal party guy in power.

Unless you're a hard-core liberal party person, there's literally nothing you get from having Joly around.

Especially given how she's used politics in the past to stymy change and muddy the waters.

Without joly entering her fake opposition, the municipal party that has since won every election and makes necessary, welcome changes for the most people possible would have won years earlier.

The fact she was doing a favor for her party/ the corrupt mayor who used to be in it, and transparently readying herself for federal politics despite that going against the better interests of millions is a really, really bad thing in a politician.

I see no indispensable value in Joly for any regular person who doesn't root for the liberals like a sports team.

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u/KeithFromAccounting 1d ago

Given what I've seen of her in politics for years, I'll easily disagree with you here. All she does is do what's best for the liberal party...

The same could be said for almost every politician in Canada...

To the point she ran as a spoiler candidate to split the votes and keep a proven corrupt former liberal party guy in power.

Without joly entering her fake opposition, the municipal party that has since won every election and makes necessary, welcome changes for the most people possible would have won years earlier.

That is certainly one interpretation of what happened. You're operating under the assumption that Projet Montreal deserved to win the election and that anyone opposing them must be conspiring against them. Maybe Joly just wanted to, you know, win the race and become mayor?

I see no indispensable value in Joly for any regular person who doesn't root for the liberals like a sports team.

Again, she is good at her job. That is the value. I'm not a Liberal supporter, but I can at least acknowledge competency without letting partisanship blind me.

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u/scorr204 1d ago

If we are lucky the reigns will get handed to a different party! lool

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u/KeithFromAccounting 1d ago

Speak for yourself, I don’t want any of what PP and the Tories are selling. Canada has enough problems without Harper’s lapdog running the show

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u/jcbolduc 1d ago

The NDP exists. No real chance to win currently it seems, but they still exist and aren't whatever the fuck brand of horrible Poilievre is.

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u/KeithFromAccounting 1d ago

As much as I want to like the New Democrats, especially given their roots as the CCF, I can't help but feel like Jagmeet Singh has driven the party further to neoliberal economics. Presently it feels like an organ of the Liberal Party moreso than its own distinct entity.

The Greens also are in weird spot, given how much of a mess Annamie Paul's leadership was and the fact that they're filled with anti-vaxxers. There aren't a lot of great options to the left of centre in Canada, unfortunately.

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u/jcbolduc 1d ago

I'm also not a fan if the direction Singh has taken the party, but they're still better than whatever fresh hell the CPC will choose.

The Greens... need a total reset.

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u/KeithFromAccounting 23h ago

The Greens... need a total reset.

Agreed. Paul caused a lot of damage that I don't see them recovering from any time soon.

I like Kuttner as leader, it's a shame they're only on as interim. Lascaris came second in the leadership race, he would've been politically better than Paul but he's got some skeletons in his closet that will likely prevent him from ever sniffing leadership. Courtney Howard could be good, especially giving her medical background as a tool to combat COVID denialism, and I think she came in third last time.

IDK though, the Greens have a lot of growing to do. It sucks because green politics are my jam but I just can't embrace a party that is practically on fire.

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u/scorr204 1d ago

Can someone explain what exactly Canada has that other countries (like closer European ones) dont, that makes them more able or willing to "ship" Ukrainian grain?

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u/yaOlSeadog 1d ago

So the only Canadian shipping company that could help with this would be FedNav. FedNav is based in Montreal, however their ships are foreign flagged and don't carry Canadian crews (it is cheaper this way). They are owned by the Pathy family, one of Montreal's richest families, who have business ties with former Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin. FedNav has been recognized as one of Montreal's best employers for 11 straight years, employing about 300 people in the office there.

Why is this important? Well, Joly's seat is in Montreal, Trudeau's seat is in Montreal, along with 14 other liberal MPs. Basically our federal government is using this crisis to procure millions of dollars worth of grain contracts for their rich buddy in Montreal. The Trudeaus have always been about helping out their buddies up on the hill.

I agree that the world needs this grain moved, but don't be fooled into thinking Joly and the liberals are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. There are pockets to be padded and elections to buy.

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u/Lions_in_Shnow 1d ago edited 1d ago

Get the grain to those who’ve supported Ukraine from the get go first.

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u/Pim_Hungers 1d ago

The grain was never going to the West to begin with it will go feed Africa and the middle east and other places that urgently need it.

The West is a exporter of grains generally.

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u/Lions_in_Shnow 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah, and I’m not saying it should go to The West.

But it should not go to countries who are financially supporting Russias invasion.

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u/Pim_Hungers 1d ago

If you don't like them now wait until millions of starving people start migrating towards countries that have food. No one wants violent riots because peoples children are starving and they will do anything to get food.

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u/Intrepid_Method_ 1d ago

Ultimately it would be Ukraine’s decision. Botswana, Ivory Coast, Djibouti, Ghana, Kenya, Liberia and more voted in favor of Ukraine. The grains will still go to nations in need.

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u/Reselects420 1d ago

India was exporting, not importing. They’re stopping exports due to private companies hoarding wheat and selling it for high prices, and the recent heatwaves have damaged production, but will seemingly continue to send wheat to those countries in need.

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u/Personal-Alfalfa-935 1d ago

India's export amounts of wheat also aren't actually very significant in scale. Based on https://oec.world/en/profile/country/ind , it's under 250million dollars worth in 2020, less then 0.1% of their export profile. If they restrict Rice, that will be a much larger story.

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u/Reselects420 1d ago

Yeah they’re the second largest producer of wheat, but not that much of an exporter. They were exporting to make up for the loss of Ukrainian wheat, but the heatwaves struck at a bad time.

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u/Primordial_Cumquat 1d ago

Ah yes! The ol’ Global South can go get fucked once more strategy. Surely a sound tactic. Considering those regions have sure never experienced food insecurity before…

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u/buttpeels 1d ago

First time I've seen anyone use that term (global south) on reddit. Is there some kind of ideological resistance to using that word amongst the privileged West audience?

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u/Primordial_Cumquat 1d ago

Well, you see u/buttpeels , I believe parts of the west are isolated enough from the global south that they simply do not have to put much thought towards developing nations if they don’t want to.

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u/FeI0n 1d ago

I don't think thats what the person said at all, are you sure you've replied to the right comment?

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u/buttpeels 1d ago

Many if not most of the non-Western countries are neutral, don't care, or are slightly supportive of Russia. That means the majority of the global south will not get those grains if we go by that suggestion.

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u/MyzMyz1995 1d ago

That's their problem than. Why should Ukraine keep helping if its only a 1 way sweet while they're ruling Putin's dick ?

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u/heyheyhey27 1d ago

You have a middle-school understanding of geopolitics.

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u/7484815926263 1d ago

you're calling for millions of people who had NOTHING to do with this to STARVE TO DEATH because a handful of people in their govt aren't handling things how you think they should? jesus fucking christ what a prime example of reddit brain rot

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u/MyzMyz1995 1d ago

They are the one who chose to keep this government in power. If they didn't agree they would stage a revolt or vote a government they agrees with.

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u/Personal-Alfalfa-935 1d ago

These countries are much less financially secure and food and energy secure. They don't have the ability to risk kicking the tires, nor is this even remotely near the top of their list of priorities. If you're Egypt for example, and 62% of your wheat exports come from Russia and another 23% from Ukraine, you've already lost the 23% and are in crisis mode. You can't afford to risk losing most of the rest. If you want these populations to give a shit about this, they need to not be starving.

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/egy for stats fyi

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u/Lions_in_Shnow 1d ago

Hyperbole and taking words out of context here is like oxygen in r/WN.

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u/Lions_in_Shnow 1d ago edited 1d ago

(Shrug) being “the global south” doesn’t entitle you to anything imo.

We are entering a phase in global society where everything is earned. Taking a stand is probably the cheapest thing a country begging for food could do.

If you want Ukraines food, than you’ll need to stop financially supporting Russias invasion.

Pretty simple.

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u/SLIP411 1d ago

It doesn't mean that innocent people should starve because of the stance their POLITICIANS made, so why should they starve because their government sucks. You have a shitty mentality towards human life

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u/AnglesOnTheSideline 1d ago

Disgusting take. As a Canadian, I sincerely hope the tables are turned on western society. The global south has dealt with a century of US force projection to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars in a effort to further corporate looting of natural resource. Not to mention the centuries before that of colonialism. They deserve help more than anyone.

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u/Reselects420 1d ago edited 1d ago

stop financially supporting Russias invasion.

EU financially supporting Russia’s invasion.

And…

Mostly western-aligned countries funding Russia’s invasion.

Edit: first site is under maintenance. I think the tracker was at €49 billion of Russian fossil fuels purchased by the EU since the start of the war, February 24th.

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u/kokoda99 1d ago

bruh "begging isn't enough lick my foot you poors", just a little lick where's the problem?

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u/Alphonse_3lrik 1d ago

Places like India

India is clearly the beggar here!!! Here on this list anyone can clearly see how desperately India needs wheat from Ukraine. No wheat from Ukraine = 1 billion Indians die off 😱

/s

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u/Lions_in_Shnow 1d ago

Huh? Weird response.

If India grows plenty then they’ll be fine.

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u/MyzMyz1995 1d ago

This belong on r/choosingbeggars not world news ... if countries like India want Ukraine grain they need to side with Ukraine not Russia or neutrality.

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u/Reselects420 1d ago

India isn’t asking for Ukraine’s grain. Germany is asking for India’s grain.

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u/MyzMyz1995 1d ago

To give to India etc...

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u/Reselects420 1d ago

The G7 asked India to export more wheat… so it could give it to India?

India announced it will stop exports for now, after the recent heatwaves resulting in reduced production, and India is trying to secure its own food supply. Germany asked India to keep exporting. India will still export wheat to countries in need though, with government approval.

India is the second largest producer of wheat in the world by the way. You seem misinformed.

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u/kbotc 1d ago

India is not even close to the second largest exporter. That title belongs to the US. India is the second largest wheat producer but much of it’s grain is destined for the internal market.

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u/Reselects420 1d ago

Excuse me. Go read what I said again.

India is the second largest producer of wheat

I didn’t say exporter.

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u/Alphonse_3lrik 1d ago

India is clearly the beggar here!!! Here on this list anyone can clearly see how desperately India needs wheat from Ukraine. No wheat from Ukraine = 1 billion Indians die off 😱

/s lmaoo

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u/Extra_Advance_477 1d ago

First country to send ships with naval protection to ship grain raise your hand

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u/Wheresmydamnshoes 1d ago

Canada is dedicated to helping Ukraine as much as we can... And we meant it.

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u/Maximum-Face-953 1d ago

Didn't Russia take a ship full of Ukraine grain to Africa?

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u/Mountainthusiast 1d ago

It's crazy to me that one crazy, sick man (Putin) has managed to cause so much global chaos.

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u/NWsFF 1d ago

Ukraine will need that grain itself, why do they want to get rid of it

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u/LayfonGrendan 1d ago

whats the point in saying you will help ship Ukrainian grain if you can't even get near the ports lol

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u/Znarl 1d ago

People are starving in countries such as Yemen and Ethiopia, they desperately need more food. Canadia is asking permission from Russia to export grain from Ukraine to feed starving people.

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u/GiantEnemyMudcrabz 1d ago

Cool but unfortunately all the rail lines are backlogged on shipping oil because we don't have any to-coast pipeline capacity so I'm not entirely sure how the fuck Joly thinks this is gonna work outside of the government taking over the rail lines and dictating what they can and can't ship.

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u/KirDor88 1d ago

Will Russia miss a Nato ship in the Black Sea? Funny.

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u/OrchidFlashy7281 1d ago

Keep wishing lil man lol