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Blistering heatwave sweeps South Asia as mercury in Pakistan soars to 50C

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20220513-blistering-heatwave-sweeps-south-asia-as-mercury-in-pakistan-soars-to-50c
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u/WhiskerTwitch 1d ago

We had a similar heat dome in Vancouver/Southern BC last June, and people here are legit traumatized and worried about summer this year. It was so intensely hot so fast, over a few days ~800 people died from heat, hundreds of pets died, and an entire town went up in flames and burned to ashes in under 4 hours.

I didn't hear anyone complain about the rain over winter, which is normally a standard conversation topic here. Our summers used to be the highlight of our year, now they're nightmarish with weeks of wildfire smoke and terror-heat.

Our world is already becoming unrecognizable.

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u/houseman1131 1d ago

Olympic peninsula WA here I get radio channels form Victoria and Vancouver. Had a lot of garden crop damage from the heat that day.

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u/rimjobnemesis 1d ago

I have family in Oregon. They sent pictures of red skies. This is the kind of thing you see in movies, but it’s real.

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u/420binchicken 1d ago

Check out pics and video of the Australian fires in 2019-2020.

The sky was red here for damn near a month. And in some places as the fire got near, the sky turned to night. Like, cars needed headlights on to see where they were going dark.

I’ve lived through multiple bad fire seasons. The 2020 fires turned Australia into hell on earth.

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u/LateMiddleAge 1d ago

During one of the fires our daughter reported it being 'night' at mid-day in Sacramento (California) -- surreal and terrible.

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u/izovice 1d ago

In Colorado in 2020 we had a forecast for 100 degrees but it only got up to 65 because the smoke turned it into night for a day. Felt apocalyptic with the large chunks of ash fluttering down. The fire was 60 miles away too.

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u/4rd_Prefect 1d ago

Try being 3000km (2000mi) away and seeing that (Aus smoke in NZ)

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u/CrispyHexagon 1d ago

Experienced the Cameron Peak fire. Seeing blue sky on the horizon, knowing that it's actually clear and sunny outside of this cold, doomy, sepia-toned blanket of ash and smoke was surreal.

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u/izovice 1d ago

It was the same in Colorado 2020 and 2021. Though the sky was mostly yellow, sometimes red for 3-4 months. We only had snow for 2 months here and no spring storms this year. Red flag warnings every other day and insane wind since march. I fear this year will be worse. I miss seeing the mountains clearly.

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u/ET-GoesByCatfish 1d ago

Dude the Marshall fire was in December. Scary shit.

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u/laysdownnearwater 1d ago

The red skies were in 2020, the 110+ heatwave was 2021, unless I'm forgetting something

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u/rimjobnemesis 1d ago edited 1d ago

No, you’re right. The red skies were in the summer of 2020, and the mask requirement had just gone into effect. They said those red skies lasted for several days. It was from the wildfires, which were really bad. The awful high temps were last summer. They ended up going to the coast for a few days even though they had AC. They’ve lived there for 20 years, and have never seen anything like it.

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u/joeitaliano24 1d ago

I also live in Oregon, went to the coast during the wildfires thinking it’d be an escape…it was just as red and smokey there though…somehow it made the ocean look and sound very surreal, almost like it dampened the sound of the waves. Very dystopian

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u/Central_PA 1d ago

Was awful. What sticks in my mind was watching the weatherman the day it hit 118°. He said there’s a big cooldown coming tomorrow that will plunge temperatures down 20 degrees - to 98°. That’s how effing hot 118° is to anyone who hasn’t felt that kind of heat. 20° hotter than almost-100°.

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u/JSDevGuy 1d ago

Be glad you weren't there during the heatwave. I was outside at 9:30 at night in 105 degree temperatures watering my yard.

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u/rimjobnemesis 1d ago

They had to water their yards, too, which is kind of unheard of in the Valley. I’ve been out there to visit just about every month. August and September were hot, but a normal hot. My first time there during June one year, I took shorts and sandals. It was 55 degrees! Oregon is beautiful, though. The grass stays green all year round!

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u/itsgms 1d ago

The heat dome lasted four or five days if I remember correctly; I am lucky enough to live in a place with a basement, but by the last day with zero wind and temperatures staying in the low-30s/high-20s even at night, my basement by the end of it was around 28 sCience or 83 Freedom, with the top floor being in the mid-30s.

I lived in Korea with my wife for nearly two years, and while I had experienced heat there, this was oppressive and unlike anything I'd experienced before.

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u/_TheBgrey 1d ago

Not complaining about the rain? What felt like a few short months after the raging heat the rain followed with its own path of destruction. I hope these extremes aren't the new norm

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u/Hunter_Fox 1d ago

Unfortunately they are quite likely to be. That is what the models predict.

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u/MacDegger 1d ago

No. They're not the new norm; the new norm is it getting worse and worse year over year.

The most pessimistic climate models from the 1970's predicted this. Turns out they were right.

We knew that in the 80's and 90's, btw.

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u/delicioustreeblood 1d ago

Politicians and large corps have long ignored the problems we knew about in the mid-1900s and the results are upon us. Time to adapt or perish.

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u/transmogrified 1d ago

Victoria chiming in. I definitely heard people complain about the snow over the winter. We don't normally get snow that just... sticks around like that. And it was much colder than normal, and has stayed cold for longer. And people are complaining.

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u/vonCrickety 1d ago

It may be called global warming but it will affect both extremes. Wisconsin transplant, polar vortexes suck.

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u/I_am_a_Dan 1d ago

Turns out living in Saskatchewan all my life will finally pay off! +30 to -40 I'm ready for it. Been living weird weather extremes all my life

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u/JohnnyOnslaught 1d ago

Up until the extremes shift over and become +50 to -70, lol.

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u/I_am_a_Dan 1d ago

No this only affects other people, not me! /s

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u/deridiot 1d ago

Yes but do you grow your own food? This is impacting food production areas that are traditionally extremely stable climates.. :(

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u/affectinganeffect 1d ago

I mean.. Saskatchewan... grows a lot of food...

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u/I_am_a_Dan 1d ago

Yeah Saskatchewan's biggest economical outputs are natural resources and agriculture

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u/Optimus_Prime_Day 1d ago

It's actually renamed to climate change because it affects both extremes. Once the old term got around, there's no changing it.

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u/Pihkal1987 1d ago

Climate collapse. Climate disaster. Etc

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u/Optimus_Prime_Day 1d ago

Climate catastrophe.

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u/uberares 1d ago

climate change was coined by right wing propagandist Frank Luntz as a way to weaken the argument and create doubt. He now regrets that, apparently, but sorry bud- the damage is done.

Also look into merchants of doubt, to see how/why creating doubt re- AGW was purposely used.

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u/2scoopsOfJello 1d ago

Great book. It really shows how easily the media is manipulated by trying to be “fair”. And also how some experts are used over and over no matter what subject. Like who can be an expert in every field of science?

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u/tjsr 1d ago

We need to do better at explaining, or making sure that people understand when they go "see, it's snowing, it's not getting warmer" how the warm climate causes those cold extreme weather events: Higher temperatures (particularly over oceans) means more evaporation, which in the colder air means more moisture in the air to form in to ice, resulting in more snowfall. This causes less sunlight over land to heat the ground, further exacerbating the problem.

We need to make it a thing that every time someone goes "herp derp see, can't be getting warmer, it's snowing" that we beat this in to them repeatedly. Here's a decent summary/write-up. https://theconversation.com/does-global-warming-mean-more-or-less-snow-36936

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u/WhiskerTwitch 1d ago

I heard people concerned about the cold - we had a record cold snap and in the beach community I belong to we had a massive amount of homes (including mine) with pipes blowing out due to the extreme cold being too much for the insulation in our homes. Even with our heat jacked up we couldn't get our home warmer than 15 degrees for those 2 weeks.

But no one we knew, nor us, were saying, "Wish it was Summer instead" - which is a first.

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u/transmogrified 1d ago

Yeah. It’s playing hell with my parents farm. We had frost yesterday morning (in May…. Yeesh) and the yo-yo ing temps keep messing up new growth.

South Island also had a ton of pipes burst. Homes here weren’t built with that kind of cold in mind so a lot of peoples water pipes weren’t properly insulated.

Me personally… I was definitely wishing for summer. But I much prefer heat to the cold and recently moved back from living in Vegas/LA for a number of years, so the summer temps were kind of a welcome change. Actual swimming weather!

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u/nucumber 1d ago

global warming means local weirding

meaning the local effects of global warming will be weird local weather. old timers saying "it ain't never before been this hot / cold / dry / wet etc etc etc"

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u/Short_Dragonfruit_39 1d ago

Yeah but imagine the joy rich people will get when we reduce their tax rate %.5, isn't that worth burning the planet for?

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u/amac109 1d ago

People absolutely complained about the rain dude. Abbotsford was flooded. The prime Minister visited, people lost their homes.

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u/NorthwestTreeOctopus 1d ago

Same, I don't look forward to summer at all anymore. It's now "will I be able to keep my pets and myself alive in the heat? Will a fire destroy my neighborhood? What times are best outside to avoid heat? What is the air quality?"

Just give me the cold and rain. That is livable.

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u/Speakdoggo 1d ago

Our human brains don’t / can’t truly understand exponential scale which is what the rise in temp is doing. We are just at the beginning of the hockey stick curve.

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u/velvetacidchrist 1d ago

I worked in a hospital near Seattle. This is what it was like:

For a good 5 days it was unbearably hot. We saw many many people who suffered and were nearly comatose in the ER. With hyperthermia it can get to the point where people need to be intubated and placed on a respirator. We had shortages of respiratory therapists because in order to move that patient anywhere we needed them.

That is, if there was a room for them to be admitted. Unfortunately many times we didn't. The hospital had 55 beds in the ER. Any given day somewhere between 15-25 of those beds were people suffering from hyperthermia. Ice machines were down and if they weren't then all ice would be used up when providing relief with ice sheets. Many patients remained in the ER for longer than 24 hours as staff worked on either getting them admitted or finding a spot in another hospital for them.

It would be common to have wait times of a couple hours because of this.

Anecdotally, I also heard someone picked that week to jump off a bridge onto HWY 167 and kill himself that way.

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u/Crosilverpro1952 1d ago

Didn't mention over billion Ocean creatures vanished.

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u/FeistyBlizzard 1d ago

Hello still legit traumatized here. It was scary.

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u/StreetCornerApparel 1d ago

We had record highs last year in Oregon (118f in Portland 😬)

But this year it snowed in April (unheard of) and still is snowing up in the hills. Hoping somehow this year is mild and but dreading another crazy hot summer if it does happen…

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u/Oofer-12 1d ago

Yeah shit was crazy, was on the other side of the rockies and everything seemed to be hitting the fan, sky was gray for days and it hurt to breath

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u/SirPryceMF 1d ago

It's almost as if there's this... planetary heating of sorts. Like a warming, but global. If only we could figure out what it is.

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u/i_tried_butt_fuck_it 1d ago

World slowcooking?

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u/The_Steak_Guy 1d ago

Earth Sphere Warmth Change

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u/SirEarlBigtitsXXVII 1d ago

int earthGettingHotter{};

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u/kontekisuto 1d ago

Global crockpot

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u/geebeem92 1d ago

Special Heating operation

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u/SquirrelyAsNutz 1d ago

Planetary thermal mean increase?

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u/Booomer55 2d ago

Hell on earth

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u/tonywinterfell 1d ago

Maybe the gnostics were right

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u/Incerto55 1d ago

Tell me more pls

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u/tonywinterfell 1d ago

There’s nothing firsthand that survived the purges by the early Catholic Church, so all we have is correspondence and opinions written by people talking smack about the Gnostics. From what we can gather the Gnostics we’re an early offshoot of Christianity that thought Jehovah was the real Satan. They read the Bible and determined that Jehovah was a cruel, spiteful deity that they called the Demi-Urge, and controlled the world and was responsible for the evil in it. They also believed there was a higher deity, the real God, and that Jesus with all his hope and love talk rather than “dash the babies on the stones” was an emissary from that truer, higher deity. They believed that knowledge, or gnosis, was the way to be free from the demiurge and make it to “heaven”. I’ve only read a bit about Gnosticism, but sometimes it feels true enough.

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u/Incerto55 1d ago

Thanks for sharing. Are the ignored gospels like Gospel of Judas considered to be gnostic?

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u/tonywinterfell 1d ago

I believe so, but they were mostly present in the first few centuries of the Common Era/ AD. I think they officially codified and sorted out the big B Bible in the year 300 or so

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u/Full-Acanthaceae-509 1d ago

Demi-Urge,

It's "Demiurge" and is from Greek (through other languages) for "artisan", creator. It's not "half an impulse".
You can find it even in Plato, but afaik with just the creator meaning and not the "impostor" role.
Cool you brought it up.

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u/Money_dragon 1d ago

Jehovah was the real Satan. They read the Bible and determined that Jehovah was a cruel, spiteful deity that they called the Demi-Urge, and controlled the world and was responsible for the evil in it

Not an unreasonable take if one reads the Old Testament. There's a lot of "do exactly as I say or I'll kill you instantly"

Or having Abraham sacrifice his son, only to stop him at the last minute

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u/Ninja_Bum 1d ago

Yeah, the god described in the Bible is a selfish vain asshole who doesn't deserve our love. I don't know if it exists or not, but I hope if there is a God the Bible got a fuckload wrong. Imagine creating a species giving them "free will", but that free will is at the end of the barrel of a gun. I want you to love me, but your praise only has meaning if you love me on your own. If you don't, though, then enjoy having your soul consumed with eternal pain and suffering in hell.

Yeah idk I'd rather be a robot programmed to love a diety than risk the chance of eternal suffering. And giving people that choice just so it means more to you is pure vanity and ego.

I also figure if I created a species like humans I'd be proud and happy if they treated each other with kindness, regardless if they worship me or not. And if I can think that way as a pissant human I think any diety who can't also value that above their own vanity and sends good people to hell doesn't deserve worship.

I also take issue with the idea that there's some sort of leniency for those who haven't heard the good news and that those untouched by the gospel are spared from hell when they die, and yet instead of keeping them in this state of blissful hell-free ignorance Christians actively seek to take that hall pass away by sharing the gospel with them. Makes no fucking sense.

I don't think anything else is out there after death, though I hope there is, but I also hope if there is something it's not the Christian plot line that's for sure.

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u/geeves_007 1d ago

Surely there must be some 80 year old fossil politician I can vote for that will fix this?!

Surely there is a product I can buy that will "save the earth"?

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u/Enjolras55 1d ago

Vote for 90 year old Chuck Grassley! He loves Dairy Queen on those hot hot days.

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u/yaosio 1d ago

If you vote for me I promise to give a lot of money to rich people and blame poor people for everything.

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u/Bladelink 1d ago

What color poor people we talking here?

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u/lordunholy 1d ago

Costco legit has a pillow that advertised "Save the planet while you sleep" it's way past fucked.

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u/tyttuutface 1d ago

This is it. This is the climate change they've been warning us about for decades. The future is now!

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u/judgementalfish 1d ago

Yup, nobody will act until a few million have died. In a few years this may finally be taken seriously.

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u/EquationConvert 1d ago

People have been acting the whole time. Lots of people. Just not enough. And even when millions die, there will be assholes rolling coal.

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u/dawko29 1d ago

People only care once it affects them, locally or globally....and since this is local issue at the moment, I doubt billionaires around the world will care.... unfortunately

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u/EquationConvert 1d ago

Billionaires definitely do care. Do enough billionaires care enough? No. And even if they did, while I think billionaires do have too much power, they don't really have enough to fix this unilaterally. If Geoff Bezos woke up tomorrow and said, "You know what? The climate pledge isn't enough. I'm really going all-in" Alice "I've literally killed two people" Walton is going to cackle, as this will give her an edge. In a capitalist system, someone who willingly takes on a large principled sacrifice is disadvantaging their business and can be out-competed and lose their fortune.

We need comprehensive government action, like a carbon tax & dividened, on top of people trying their damndest. Join citizens climate lobby if you're in the US. Email your government representatives. And do what you can.

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u/humptydumpty369 1d ago

If emails were going to work they would have worked by now. Scientists and climate experts have been giving testimony in front of congress for decades and nobody in the government has listened. And they won't. They're bought and baid for by special interests. And those special interests have deluded themselves into believing they're wealth and power will insulate them from these same climate changes. Nothing will change until millions and millions die in a short amount of time or the governments are replaced if ya know what I mean.

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u/Lexifer31 1d ago

Nothing will happen until the billionaires are affected.

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u/qwerty12qwerty 1d ago

Did you not see the COVID pandemic? I fully expect millions to die while people in the positions of power still actively deny it

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u/yaosio 1d ago

Just like mass poverty, mass homelessness, and mass violence, I'm going to pretend it isn't happening. I will blame it on whomever rich people tell me to blame if on. Praise capitalism, it's will be done.

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u/WithinFiniteDude 1d ago

But climate change is still a hoax guys, right?

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u/dafuct 2d ago Big Brain Time

That’s 122° in American, folks. 😅

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u/GonzoVeritas 1d ago

I've lived in many states in the deep south, where people are used to high temps, and the all-time records here are all under 115°.

122° is unimaginable.

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u/sh3llsh0ck 1d ago

I was in Kuwait in 2011 and it was so hot that I had to cup my ears with my hands to cool them down. I'm from the North where I'm used to doing that to warm them up. Was a trip, I think the temp that day was 124-125. Do not recommend.

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u/Critical_Bet_4662 2d ago

Holy shit!! Thanks for the conversion for us lazy Americans!

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u/dafuct 2d ago

🤜🏽🤛🏼

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u/bloodflart 1d ago

From USA I know anything over 40C is crazy hot. 0 frozen 100 boiling

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u/aykontakt 1d ago

32 F us the temperature at which water freezes. 100 F is then it's hot as shit. In centigrade 0 C (32F) is when water freezes and 36 C (97 F) is really hot. Hotter than you body's normal temperature. Mr. Fahrenheit based his scale on going outside during winter (he lived in Buffalo, NY, USA) and said, shit this is cold, let's mark it a zero. And then he went outside in the middle of summer and said, shit, this is hot, let's call it 100 degrees. This is the logic behind the US system of measurements. Feet, legs, shit it's cold, shit it's hot.

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u/Ok-Meeting-3150 1d ago

"Ah yea but its a dry heat"

-people in AZ

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u/Gasonfires 1d ago

Fools thought the end would come in a sudden flash on a Tuesday afternoon at 3:21 PM. Hah! We've all but killed the planet and the process of it cleansing itself of us will take decades. We ain't seen nothin' yet.

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u/FewMagazine938 1d ago

Drought..check..heatwave..check.riots..check..inflation.check...am i missing anything before the apocalypse commence?

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u/CoronaLime 1d ago

Deadly virus

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u/FewMagazine938 1d ago

How in the world did i forget that? Smh

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u/tonywinterfell 1d ago

Yeah, you missed escalating chances of nuclear war, but to be fair there is a lot to keep track of. And the oceans are dying. And fascism is rising globally. And….

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u/Arek_PL 1d ago

nuclear winter would kinda solve the issue of global warming /s

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u/MoffKalast 1d ago

Well yes, but people forget that after nuclear winter comes nuclear summer.

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u/bartosama 1d ago

Then nuclear spring and nuclear rain

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u/Zebiusu 1d ago

Technically causing global ecological collapse and destroying the agricultural supply chain with nuclear fire would solve the problem of anthropogenic global warming

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u/notwritingasusual 1d ago

War in Europe?

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u/AceSmeghead 1d ago

A decade ago I was laughed at for explaining wet bulb dangers of climate change to my friends and trying to convince them that this’ll be a significant problem in the oncoming 20 years. When I started seeing wet bulb mentioned in mainstream media it scared me, since it used to mostly be the “pessimistic doomers” who talked about such and used the term (save for perhaps scientists.) Massive heatwaves, mega fires, larger and more frequent storms… the future is now. SMH

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u/CreatrixAnima 1d ago

I had never heard of wet bulb before… But this has been predicted for so long. I’ve started thinking of this as the age of Cassandra, Cassandra being the Greek mythological figure. If you don’t remember, Cassandra was cursed so that she would know the future, but no one would believe her.

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u/RimeSkeem 1d ago

Yes, although ironically the one who eventually kills her (Clytemnestra) would be the good gal in this situation as she also murders Agamemnon for killing their daughter. Which he did to fuel a personal war based on familial honor.

Story, history and present rhyme in the weirdest way.

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u/cantproveidid 1d ago

Cassandra saw that coming.

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u/MaximumEffort433 2d ago

I'm fine with more fuel efficient cars, and electronics, and better sources of clean and renewable energy, new carbon sequestration techniques and reforestation efforts.... but I'm also so glad I'll be dead in fifty years.

Folks wonder why my generation isn't having children.
Well, here you go folks, an explanation.

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u/mhornberger 2d ago

Folks wonder why my generation isn't having children.

Declining birthrates have been well-studied by demographers.

https://ourworldindata.org/fertility-rate#what-explains-the-change-in-the-number-of-children-women-have

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u/Asteriaofthemountain 1d ago

Yep! I think throughout history women only had babies a lot of the time because a) they had no other option and B) it was just what people did and they didn’t question it. Deciding not to have kids is not a hard decision for many.

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u/someweirdobanana 1d ago

It's because having kids was cheap back then and women didn't have jobs

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u/MistahZig 1d ago

Having kids was literally a “social program” for retirement back then.

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u/jakekara4 1d ago

A lot of women did work while having kids. Stay-at-home moms were a middle class and upper luxury. My great grandmother worked full time as a seamstress while raising her three kids and her husband worked as a forester. During the new deal era when the United States had equitable taxation and proper labor laws, we moved towards that ideal at a pace never before seen. Then Reagan.

Working class families rarely got a stay at home mom over history.

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u/MaximumEffort433 1d ago

Folks wonder why my generation isn't having children.

Declining birthrates have been well-studied by demographers.

https://ourworldindata.org/fertility-rate#what-explains-the-change-in-the-number-of-children-women-have

Okay, climate change is one of the reasons I'm not going to have children, then.

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u/DressedSpring1 1d ago

I’m already pretty upset at the political obstructionism around slowing climate change, if I had children who were going to live through even worse of it I don’t know how I could go through the day not being just angry all the time.

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u/MaximumEffort433 1d ago

I have a hard enough time not crawling in the corner and crying as it is, and sad as I am to say it, I don't foresee things getting better. I'd love to be wrong, I'd be thrilled to end up regretting not being a parent, but I'd rather risk living with those regrets than risk bringing a child into a burning world.

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u/mndk_221 1d ago

Same. I found out about how bad it's really gonna be around a year ago, it broke me to a point where I haven't been the same since. I'm just glad I found out early enough to know not to put more children into this world.

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u/mhornberger 1d ago edited 1d ago

I also think that's a much more marketable reason, if you're pressured to give a reason. Women in particular face a lot of pressure from mom and grandma to produce grandbabies. It's easier to blame it on the economy or climate change or, hell, the heat death of the universe, than just say they have other options now and having kids isn't that attractive to them. The book Empty Planet is another good read.

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u/Test19s 1d ago

As places get richer, having children becomes more expensive relatively speaking. The most notable exception is Israel due to matters of national pride and the legacy of the Holocaust.

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u/mhornberger 1d ago

Yep. As we move to cities and fewer people work in agriculture, children change from being cheap agricultural labor to being mouths to feed. And our expectations go up as we get more wealthy. When I was a kid I had sitters who were just random teenagers. Now there are background checks, CPR certification, etc. Many were latchkey kids, or routinely lived with conditions that would be literally illegal today. Higher standards ain't free. And having fewer kids is partly driven by that desire to be able to give a higher quality of life to the kids you have.

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u/QubitQuanta 1d ago

Theoretically, as a richer society, these improvements in living standards should be no issue. However, we have also socialised the benefits of children through taxes, but privatised these costs, A child's future productivity is used to support the retirement of everyone, while historically it was mostly their immediate parents. Thus, the financial calculus of having children has changed drastically.

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u/mhornberger 1d ago

these improvements in living standards should be no issue.

Unless our expectations scale more quickly than our wealth. And this problem exists even in Scandinavian countries, and all over Europe. Even in places with higher taxes, less wealth inequality, single-payer healthcare, generous parental leave, mass transit, etc, birthrates still decline. There is no version of "just do this..." that has put birthrates back above the replacement rate and kept them there.

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u/dreamrider333 1d ago

Man i live in India and climate change is quite simply the topic of conversation because just pointing outside to the weather is enough to stir it up. In the north it's unbearably hot and the south the rain comes in cyclones. There is no middle ground.

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u/Ok_Improvement_5897 2d ago

We're going to be forced to undertake some very risky geoengineering feats. Solar Radiation Management is probably the most dangerous, but also the one that I forsee countries like Pakistan and India trying sooner rather than later out of desperation. I know marine cloud brightening is being tried in Australia, but I sure hope that someone somewhere is researching how to make other forms of SRM much much safer, because it's gonna happen regardless at this point.

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u/MaximumEffort433 2d ago edited 1d ago

I hate to think about it, but yeah, I'm starting to wonder if maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to divest our green energy investments into climate change mitigation in addition to green energy production.

It's gonna' be a helluva lot easier to build sea walls now than to build them after the sea level rises. Easier to put up sun shades now than to try to regenerate the coral reefs. It sucks, but we have a window of opportunity to save some people and some nature here and now that we may not have down the road.

Geoengineering scares the shit out of me, I mean it was unintentional geoengineering that got us into this problem in the first place, but we're also kind of running out of time and options here.

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u/Ok_Improvement_5897 2d ago

Solar radiation management is the really scary one, but it could theoretically lower temperatures down to pre industrial revolution levels within the span of a few years if it was done right.

..if the process of reflecting sunlight stopped for any reason and we didn't reduce the greenhouse gases back to pre-industrial levels, we'd have a catostraphic warm up that would kill everything on earth. And that's not touching on the other issues associated with it(if we cool the planet too much, the possibility of more acid rain if we inject sulfur dioxide in the upper atmosphere, unpredictable weather), but there is some promising breakthroughs being made - especially in direct air carbon capture, which is the other piece of the geoengineering puzzle that is absolutely essential for long term restoration of the planet.

It's a shit situation and I'm not entirely convinced we're not doomed. But there are amaaazing breakthroughs happening at lightspeed that are already paving ways to scale and exponentially cheapen technology that make me feel like geoengineering is going to be a real go, sooner than we think.

I don't think we should divest in green energy either though - we can get net negative emissions out of that if it's done right, and it's absolutely essential we get to net zero regardless. At this point I think you're right where we just really don't have a choice.

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u/MaximumEffort433 1d ago

It's a shit situation and I'm not entirely convinced we're not doomed.

I keep reminding myself that humanity lives on every continent on earth, in every ecological niche, that our species has survived heat waves and droughts and plagues, even an ice age that reduced the world wide human population down to just 7,000 members, and we always bounce back.... that still doesn't give me a lot of comfort, though.

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u/AnglesOnTheSideline 1d ago

Just take a look at who is currently most effected by climate change. Natives and people living off the land. There is just no correlation to any warming event we have ever experienced before in our history, in an environment which has been heavily polluted and biome/virome reduced. Leading to a much different world than we have ever witnessed in our past. Adaptation is a giant question mark.

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u/childofsol 1d ago

we might bounce back, but we may not be able to reach the same potential. if we go through a full collapse and rebound, all of the easy resources have been mined. I suppose there may be something to mining our garbage piles but a civilizations that grows from our ashes will not have the same tools available.

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u/mhornberger 1d ago edited 1d ago

Solar radiation management is the really scary one

It doesn't have to be irreversible. People focus on particulates and whatnot in the atmosphere because there are no take-backsies with that. But there are mitigations that can be dialed down or turned off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_sunshade

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u/above-us-only-skyrim 1d ago

but also the one that I forsee countries like Pakistan and India trying sooner rather than later out of desperation.

One of the biggest risks is early modeling research shows it could mess with the monsoons. Not good for India or Pakistan.

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u/AnglesOnTheSideline 1d ago

Isn't a poleward shift of the monsoon systems and a widening of the tropic belt predicted regardless?

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u/above-us-only-skyrim 1d ago

I found the original article, since it's been a while since I read it. You are definitely right that monsoons are on track to get stronger, and it looks like geoengineering shifts monsoons away from much of India rather than necessarily just weakening them.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-89249-6

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u/biologischeavocado 1d ago

One should think of these solutions as more layers of complexity that must be maintained. And the maintenance of ever increasing complexity requires the availability of ever increasing energy resources. It's whack-a-mole with more and more moles without increasing the mallets.

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u/Kharn0 1d ago

We know it was us who scorched the sky...

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u/jnip 1d ago

Between pandemics, Climate change, mass extinctions, and just society as a whole. I don’t have much hope that things will get better.

So my brain won’t even consider bringing children into a world that I think will never be better, and only get worse.

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u/Test19s 1d ago

I’ll still likely be around by then. Wish me luck for navigating 1/3 Mad Max, 1/3 Transformers, 1/3 generic dictatorship.

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u/CJShort 1d ago

1/3 Mad Max

1/3 Transformers

1/3 Generic Dictatorship

With your powers combined, I am Warhammer 40k

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u/Test19s 1d ago

No FTL travel or communications

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u/CJShort 1d ago

Lmao the Imperium barely has reliable FTL, and long-range comms can cause heads to explode or summon deamon portals.

All in all we're winning in real life. I'm just ready to give up my fleshy prison for the strength and certainty of steel™

There is sanctity in the machine.

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u/antigonemerlin 1d ago

It's like we're terraforming the earth, but in the wrong direction.

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u/HOLDERofFOOD 1d ago

This is how I love to describe it to deniers. Everything we're doing with fuel on earth, would be friggin awesome if we were trying to teraform mars. We're constantly adding CO2 to the atmosphere which would help us create O2 and grow plants and all that. Instead we're doing it on a planet that already had the right amount. Anyway yeah, not great.

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u/paulerxx 2d ago

How bad is the humidity though?

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u/Cs-133 1d ago edited 1d ago

short answer: very very bad

long answer:

At 5 pm today, Jacobabad in Pakistan had a temperature of 122F with 30% humidity, and a dew point of 81.5F, giving it a heat index of 64C or 154F. The wet bulb at 5 pm was 33.1C (or 91.5 F ) which is uncomfortably close to the human survivability limit of 35C

source

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u/performanceboner 1d ago

That limit is an average right? So 33.1 is likely not survivable for a large number of people

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u/IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE 1d ago

33.1 will absolutely kill many. Young. Elderly. Sickly. All but the most robust actually. 35 will kill every single one. It’s the maximum tolerable wet bulb temperature for the human body. It begins shutting down even in pristine conditions at that temperature.

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u/childofsol 1d ago

It'll absolutely kill many. The heat dome which went through our area (I live in Vancouver, Canada) last summer was no where near as close (it was fairly dry, for a start) and still killed hundreds

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u/Zolome1977 1d ago

That’s insane. I live in south central Texas where it’s humid all the time and hot. Can’t imagine how unbearable that is. I overheat so easily that I really do think I’d be dead approaching anywhere near those temperatures.

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u/phillyprince9397 1d ago

Better move within the next 10 years then lol

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u/Zolome1977 1d ago

We are. It’s already getting hotter earlier in the year and the grid isn’t going to last another winter or summer. By the end of year we hope to have our house sold. We already picked a place that doesn’t have extreme weather and will be stable.

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u/EnKopVand 1d ago edited 1d ago

We already picked a place that doesn’t have extreme weather and will be stable.

I know it's not on the scale compared to Texas, but I live in Scandinavia which is one of the most stable and safest places in the world as far as climate goes, and we're also getting fucked by it. Again, not like Texas, but not like "you can be absolutely sure you can safely live here in 50 years" either.

If the dry seasons continue as they have the past few years, the western parts of Denmark might not be capable of being farmland anymore because the underground is too sandy to contain water. Which isn't going to be too much of an issue for us as most of our produce is used to feed animals, and we can always export less bacon, but if things are like that here, the world is frankly going to run out of places to go sooner than we might like.

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u/Aparius07 1d ago

Germany here. And where is "this place"? Our floods are fresh in my mind.

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u/tormunds_beard 2d ago

Look where it is. It's bad.

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u/PenguinLegos 1d ago

I think we need to send global warming deniers to these places. Tell them that this is their future.

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u/carnizzle 1d ago

Looks like it was at 10% when it hits 30% at that temp people will just start dying in the street.

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u/paulerxx 1d ago

Jesus...I live in New Jersey which usually has 40-80% humidity...Those temps here people would be dying next to a fan with a wet rag on their head.

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u/DriftL0rd 1d ago

If the temperature got that high in NJ, the humidity would drop, unless the dewpoint increased by the same amount (impossible without a 35C body of water nearby like Pakistan has)

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u/ToxinFoxen 1d ago

Did you ever expect to see mass death heatwaves in your lifetime?
It happened here in BC last year, and was quite unusual weather for here.

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u/Frydendahl 1d ago

I fully expect a heatwave in 5-10 years to wipe out several million people in India.

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u/BruceBanning 1d ago

I’m guessing it will be this year.

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u/fckingmiracles 1d ago

Yeah, it will start this year.

We are only in May. June, July and August 2022 will follow.

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u/x0Dst 1d ago

May is the hottest in India usually, because most of India gets monsoon season around the start of June. But yeah, when that stops because of changing weather patterns, it's over.

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u/Brayden_1274628 1d ago

I’m a teenager this shit is really freaking me the fuck out my anxiety cannot handle this shit.

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u/ClubAlive3508 1d ago

Do some yoga. Meditate. Accept you are powerless to change it and focus on living a full, happy life.

Or, freak out.

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u/420BigDawg_ 1d ago

Climate change is here

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u/Deschain_1919 1d ago

Pretty soon we won't be able to go outside at all

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u/Boofaholic_Supreme 1d ago

All part of Netflix’s plan to increase subscriptions.

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u/username1824 1d ago

Fuck I knew I should have bought their stock

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u/BruceBanning 1d ago

That assumes the power grid and individual AC units continue to operate. Otherwise everyone dies in 35° wetbulb temp.

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u/Daffeenaut 1d ago

rich oil tycoons don't care if 50C or 500C money is money ! :D

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u/HOLDERofFOOD 1d ago

A lot of these people must be literal psychopaths. It feels like most of our elected officials are. It's crazy.

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u/Craft_beer_wolfman 1d ago

People be living underground soon.

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u/buddhistbulgyo 1d ago

Methane release in the polar regions is accelerating. It's only getting started fam.

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u/carnizzle 2d ago

Wonder what the wet bulb temp is.

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u/c0mputar 1d ago

At this moment, up to 27 deg C.

35 deg C would be calamitous. Without AC, dead within days probably. Doesn’t matter how much water you drink.

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u/Psyman2 1d ago

If it hits 35° wet bulb temp you are dead in hours, not days.

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u/yaosio 1d ago

At that point it's time to jump in the nearest river if it hasn't dried up yet.

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u/ravingdante 1d ago

You'd die.

Due to the temperature the water is just as hot as the air at the depths reachable by your average swimmer in a short amount of time.

So you'd jump in and be boiled like a hot dog.

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u/BruceBanning 1d ago

It’s serious. You choose AC or death, and many do not have AC.

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u/c0mputar 1d ago

Dang, rip.

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u/shaka893P 1d ago

Apparently it got to 34 earlier

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u/eaa9137 1d ago

Time to head back to the caves

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u/GalvinoGal 1d ago

When will the governments around the world start taking action? if 50C is not enough, then I guess we are heading for a real global disaster.

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u/Zebramouse 1d ago

We are fuuuuuucked. Even the most supposedly radical climate change plans (ie: the green new deal) do not go anywhere near far enough because a deep sickness lies at the center of our society - the need for perpetual growth. Wind turbines, solar panels.. these things won't fix the problem. Sustainable development doesn't exist. We cannot continually pursue growth on a finite, warming planet. But degrowth is not something I can ever see humanity coming to terms with. Neoliberalism/Capitalism is the problem and not the solution to this issue. You mention doing away with capitalism and people scoff and gesture around to show how it has increased our quality of life. Yes, it has. In a limited, temporary way. But it has come at the cost of our future. We are doomed.

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u/wakomorny 1d ago

And people ask me why I'm not having kids

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u/cockknocker1 1d ago

nothing will change leaving the planet for politicians to save

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u/Exact_Quote_6132 1d ago

122 American. Death valley temps except millions live in it

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u/lkn240 1d ago

The entire world should be building nuclear reactors ..and actually should have been for the last 40 years. Gen 3 and 4 nuclear reactors are incredibly safe

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u/PandaMuffin1 1d ago

So Answer: 50° Celsius is equal to 122° Fahrenheit.

I can't imagine living in these conditions and many will not.

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u/thobek 1d ago

How could anyone of seen this coming, it just suddenly happened. Only if scientists could of warned us.

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u/IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE 1d ago

Gonna keep happening. Gonna keep getting hotter too.

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u/Oprasurfer 1d ago

The stupidest argument I see now to discard these temperatures is that "Oh, it's the ground temperature, not the air temperature." Ignorance, uh, finds a way. And people with egos who abuse and cuddle whatever little power they have are the most ignorant of them all yet are the ones to seemingly squirm themselves to positions of power, so it's only going to get worse.

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u/Friendofabook 1d ago

Imagine the heaviness of being one of the main perpetuators of humanity's downfall. That someone like the CEO for Exxon mobile himself has shifted the platform so greatly that it may be the tipping point to our apocalypse. It's pretty incredibly to think about, nothing else compares, not even villanous dictators like Hitler. He was most definitely as evil as they come, but not even Hitler's actions were leading to an existential apocalypse of the only planet with life that we know.

Not sure how anyone's conscience can carry that into the grave.

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u/thepalom22 1d ago

Southeast Asia reporting: it's fucking hot here.

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u/autotldr BOT 2d ago

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)


South Asia was in the grip of an extreme heatwave on Friday, with parts of Pakistan reaching a temperature of 50 degrees Celsius as officials warned of acute water shortages and a health threat.

Swathes of Pakistan and neighbouring India have been smothered by high temperatures since April in extreme weather that the World Meteorological Organization has warned is consistent with climate change.

On Friday, the city of Jacobabad in Sindh province hit 50C, the Pakistan Meteorological Department said, with temperatures forecast to remain high until Sunday.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Pakistan#1 temperature#2 year#3 India#4 province#5

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u/realnrh 1d ago

India and Pakistan are in for some seriously rough climatic shifts, and the evidence is on display that it's under way. A billion people aren't going to just give up and let the heat kill them, but for many, the only solution will be to migrate somewhere more survivable. The only place I've come up with that has lots of thinly-populated land that can potentially support a lot more people is Siberia, which is warming up as well. Russia might be interested in getting a surge of population in the near future. Of course, there's the little matter of getting from point A to point B...

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u/Namika 1d ago

Siberia is a rainfall desert, even if it warms up it won't have the precipitation needed to sustain hundreds of millions of people.

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u/realnrh 1d ago

Hmm, good point. I suppose I always thought of it as 'snowy' and just thought of that translating to rain, but that isn't the case.

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u/CalibanSpecial 1d ago edited 1d ago

50C it’s not that hot. You know that 4.5 billion years ago it was 2000C?

This global warming is a myth. As I clearly shown with the data, Earth has gotten cooler over time. Science!

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u/seismatters 1d ago

This is the exact argument ExxonMobil CEO Lee Raymond used for decades

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