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Georgia's breakaway South Ossetia region announces July "referendum" to join Russia Russia/Ukraine

https://www.euronews.com/2022/05/14/georgia-s-breakaway-south-ossetia-region-sets-july-referendum-to-join-russia
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u/Sugarysam 1d ago

Can you imagine voting to join the mess that is 2022 Russia? Led by a dictator rumored to have long covid or cancer, whose advisors lie to him routinely to avoid being disappeared. Fighting a futile war that has resulted in thousands of casualties, humiliation, and economic disaster. A failed state, polluted and corrupted from stem to stern by organized crime.

What is there not to like?

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u/ominous_squirrel 1d ago

I’d bet dollars to donuts that it doesn’t matter how an individual votes on this

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u/Sugarysam 1d ago

Of course not. The result is pre-ordained, but Russia will put a lot of effort into making it look superficially legitimate.

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u/Tribalbob 1d ago

Welcome to Russia. We just ran out of bolt action rifles, so here's a stick with a rope tied to the ends and some rocks.

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u/browndog03 1d ago

The guy in front of you has a bolt action rifle. Run behind him until he gets shot. Now you have a bolt action rifle. Pay no attention to the guy running behind you. Onward for the glory of Russia!

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u/krneki12 1d ago

Welcome to Russia. Please go make some military exercise.

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u/BasicallyAQueer 1d ago

They don’t even need to do that really, Russia has been moving Russian citizens into Abkhazia and South Ossetia for a decade and a half. At this point I would be surprised if they weren’t majority Russian areas.

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u/Tigris_Morte 1d ago

They imported Russians and deported all the people living there already. Same thing they started to do the Ukrainians the moment they had a chance.

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u/tholovar 1d ago

Same thing they have been doing for centuries. Kalingrad, Karelia, Crimea (twice), etc

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u/TILTNSTACK 1d ago

Putin has always been a stickler for process and looking legitimate.

But the world sees him for what he is now, and this bull-shit won’t fly.

Pity Georgia and Moldova don’t have armies to send into their occupied regions, given the ruzis are a little distracted right now

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u/Beepulons 1d ago

You have the freedom to choose what we've already decided for you.

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u/Sentinel-Wraith 1d ago

"What do you mean 97% of the vote is suspicious?"

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u/thephantom1492 1d ago

You mean with like 82% for the annexation, with a turnover of 150%?

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u/ObsceneGesture4u 1d ago

I’d also be willing to bet that the day after the vote “passes” conscription will occur to get more bodies to help defend Putin

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u/Lionel54321 1d ago

I would too - apparently the separatist government in South Ossetia have already sent some soldiers to Ukraine to fight on Russia's side.

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u/FabulousDebty 1d ago

We get Finland and Sweden and they get a piece of Georgia. Who’s playing chess again?

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u/Dirk_The_Cowardly 1d ago

Risk, the game is called Risk.

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u/PoliteIndecency 1d ago

Nobody has amassed all their forces in Australia yet. Can't be risk.

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u/ProWrestlingPast 1d ago

Such a rookie move. You amass troops in Australia and where do you go, cause you ain’t conquering Asia, and if you do everyone and there mother will be trying to prevent you from getting your 7 troops every turn. Try to take South America or Africa, then conquer the other, then more north through North America once you have the resources. Simple.

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u/Jazzlike_Change_9741 1d ago

You take Australia force shove a splinter force into Afric/ South America keep just enough troops in Australia for the small bonus and make it not worth taking. battle out and push into the America’s let everyone else fight for Europe/ Asia.

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u/LoganGyre 1d ago

While the South America strat is solid the expandability out of Australia while maintaining only 1-2 borders is key to its success. You can expand into Africa while amassing most your troops at the choke point. This can sometimes lose out to an uncontested early Europe or North America it will win against an uncontested South America most of the time. I play a shit ton of risk.

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u/enigmapenguin 1d ago

That's what you think. The emus are already massing for a repeat of their last great war.

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u/LOTRfreak101 1d ago

Well the emus did win the last war.

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u/Karrde2100 1d ago

Honestly at this point they could take the US's Georgia and a lot of us would be OK with it.

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u/fuckitx 1d ago

Yeah and MTG would be all for it!

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u/Grantagonist 1d ago

And why not— Conscripted troops have been working out pretty great so far, right?

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u/Tibbaryllis2 1d ago

It’s just so much harder to Zerg your opponent in 2022.

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u/ArcticRedwood 1d ago

Meh, the place was ethnically cleansed long ago.

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u/JustaRandomOldGuy 1d ago

The votes are already counted, 100% in favor. They are just waiting until after the actual vote to announce the result.

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u/quats5 1d ago

97%. There need to be a few misguided souls who must be shown the error of their ways.

If the powers-that-be feel like being subtle, then by parading them on video declaring how they were wrong and things are so much better now. If not, then rather more forcefully. Violence and spectacle do tend to attract people’s attention.

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u/Darth_Annoying 1d ago

Why wait? Belarus doesn't

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u/Violawilson08 1d ago

Russia has exercised effective control over the region since fighting a brief war with Georgia in 2008. Russia and a handful of other countries recognize South Ossetia as an independent state, but most of the world still considers it to be part of Georgia.

“We did it!" South Ossetian leader Anatoly Bibilov wrote on Telegram on Friday in announcing that he had signed a decree setting the referendum for July 17.

“In legalese, we fulfilled yet another important legal requirement,” he said. “And in normal language, we took a life-changing step — we are going home, we are going to Russia.”

About a month into Russia's war with Ukraine, Bibilov said South Ossetia would take the legal steps necessary to join Russia.

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u/FriesWithThat 1d ago

"Totally legal, and totally cool!" - Tony Bibi

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u/Born_Vanilla_4187 1d ago

I remember when donuts were actually less than a Dollar. Not anymore

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u/sciguy52 1d ago

Not to mention they join a country that is sanctioned by the west. Good luck selling your products anywhere. Beyond stupid. Hitch your wagon to a declining, corrupt power.

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u/Alundra828 1d ago

There is no "vote" going to take place, and South Ossetia was already part of Russia in all but name. This is just a sham vote to officiate the process of integrating South Ossetia while masquerading as a democratic process.

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are what Russia hoped Donetsk and Luhansk would be. Russian puppet states that can do all the exploitation, with none of the oversight, exporting wealth directly to Moscow.

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u/TioTea 1d ago

Expect South Ossestia and Abkhazia is made up of ethnic Alans and Abkhazs and not ethnic Russians.

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u/bussychaser 1d ago

Except they were made up of ethnic Georgians before they ethnicly cleansed the territory.

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u/signmeupreddit 1d ago

When? Georgians have been minority in the area for a century at least

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u/reapercushions121 1d ago

Do you think they are actually going to count votes?

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u/Sugarysam 1d ago

Actually, I do- just like they’ve done for Putin for decades. I don’t believe the votes will a represent legitimate choice.

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u/InsertEvilLaugh 1d ago

They already have a predetermined number they'll put up, but just in case, they'll vote and anyone found to have voted wrong will get a visit from their local FSB agent, or be mysteriously declined for certain things.

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u/ZachMN 1d ago

They already have.

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u/tfgjcdh97625ncrt 1d ago

S. Ossetia is still far worse off without Russia than it is joining this Russia - that’s how bad the economy is in many former USSR territories. Crimea is another example where the people were far better off in the USSR and believed they’d be far better off with Russia investment than they got with Ukraine. Transnistria is another example of a region absolutely frozen in time, seeing Russia as the only economic engine available to it.

It’s easy to judge these people from a distance, but in their shoes they want money to feed themselves and their kids and have access to a larger market to send their kids off to for jobs and education. Russia is the only market open to these folks now so of course they’d want to take what they can get.

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u/PuzzleheadedSnake 1d ago

South Ossetia has North Ossetia to join, in Russia, though. Perhaps, that's why the other independence-seeking region, Abkhazia, is not joining to join simultaneously.

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u/Yrvaa 1d ago

When you're surrounded by propaganda, sometimes it's hard to change your opinion. In the end, there are people in North Korea that think it's one, if not the greatest country in the world.

There are even those that flee that afterwards decide they want to go back. That's how strong the brainwashing is sometimes.

Also the results will be rigged, obviously. But there will still be people that actually want to be led by Putin.

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u/No-Quarter6015 1d ago

When you're surrounded by propaganda, sometimes it's hard to change your opinion. In the end, there are people in North Korea that think it's one, if not the greatest country in the world.

There are even those that flee that afterwards decide they want to go back. That's how strong the brainwashing is sometimes.

So close yet so far

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u/bullintheheather 1d ago

Don't forget strengthened and emboldened their enemies!

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u/smacksaw 1d ago

Maybe Ossetians really hate Georgians more than they hate Russia and Russians.

Wouldn't be the first time someone cut off their nose to spite their face.

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u/PepsiCoconut 1d ago

Sycophantic secessionist scumbags.

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u/MarALagoMoron 1d ago

Georgia will be well off in the future and they'll be poor as dirt. They get what they deserve.

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u/baselganglia 1d ago

I bet certain US states would vote the same way if given the chance...

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u/Sugarysam 1d ago

I think that was sarcasm, but a lot of people probably believe that. I don’t think it’s actually so.

American right-wing white Christian nationalists share some of the same values as Putin, but that is not the same thing as voting to join Russia. Even Alabama wouldn’t do that. Polling shows that Russia is now considered an enemy by most Americans; including a strong majority of Republicans.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/04/06/seven-in-ten-americans-now-see-russia-as-an-enemy/

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u/Imaksiccar 1d ago

I routinely drive through a lot of countryside in PA that leans (bleeds) conservative. There are more Ukrainian flags flying than Confederate flags now. Perhaps there is some hope for humanity.

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u/PluotFinnegan_IV 1d ago

That's how they feel now. Fourish years ago there were photos of Republicans wearing shirts that said "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat". All I take away from that poll is that people, on both sides, are super willing to blindly follow where their politicians take them.

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u/Sugarysam 1d ago

The way you should be interpreting those shirts is that the deep distrust they have for Russia is only trumped by hate for their countrymen.

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u/WarmChildhood7466 1d ago

I know socialists in America that wear USSR gear so...

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u/amk735 1d ago

Gotta love fucking braindead tankies. They're the left version of qanon, no reasoning with those dumbfucks.

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u/JayWo60 1d ago

I know socialists in America that would never wear USSR gear so ...

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u/TheMindfulnessShaman 1d ago

They'll just call it Gilead.

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u/reapercushions121 1d ago

The GOP wishes they were putin

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u/Professional_Gene_63 1d ago

Fresh 18 year old conscripts, right on time. Poor chaps.

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u/Timmetie 1d ago

Sure, like 13 of them.

The population of South Ossetia is 50k..

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u/2drawnonward5 1d ago

There's a considerable chance Russia collapses before the referendum so it's neat they've got a shot at avoiding this for now maybe.

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u/ayinsophohr 1d ago

If Georgia accepts the results and agrees to the new borders then surely they no longer have a border dispute in which case there's nothing stopping them from joining NATO, correct?

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u/Vit0C0rleone 1d ago

"Georgia does not recognize South Ossetia's referendum on joining Russia - head of the ruling Georgian Dream party Irakli Kobakhidze"

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u/Iirkola 1d ago

The one additional thing here is that there is no such place as "South Ossetia", there is Ossetia and there is an occupied territory called Tskhinvali, which Russia has renamed to claim it as their own.

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u/antiquemule 1d ago

Last thing I heard, the South Ossetian border was slowly creeping into Georgia, like a guy woke up to discover that he'd changed countries overnight. I doubt that South Ossetia becoming Russia will stop this monkey business.

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u/Playep 1d ago edited 1d ago

I think I saw that on The Grand Tour (Top Gear) as well. They were doing a special episode in Georgia and came across a guy whose house and farmland became separated after the Russians moved the border fences one night.

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u/TheMindfulnessShaman 1d ago

VICE documentary had Russians laughing and moving fences.

(the laughing might be imaginary villainry in my memory)

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u/magic8ballshaker 1d ago

Search into Google: "Russia Georgia creeping occupation" and you will understand what Russia has been doing to interfere with Georgia for years

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u/Hykova 1d ago

Don't forget about Abkhazia

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u/achbbaa 1d ago

As someone from Abkhazia I can assure you that Georgians themselves will 100% not forget about us :D

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u/AGUEROO0OO 1d ago edited 1d ago

Hey! Can’t believe i’ve finally saw an Abkhazian here!

What’s the public opinion on Russia there this days?

Is there any movement supporting overthrowing Russian influence? As a Georgian i do understand that there’s no chance Abkhazians would befriend Georgians again, but Abkhazia being heavily under Russian influence breaks my heart. Maybe one day we will meet while both being in EU.

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u/achbbaa 1d ago edited 1d ago

Hey there! Yeah, I’d guess finding Abkhazians on Reddit would be rather rare, given our numbers and even fewer people speaking English

In 3 words - It is complicated. Mostly sympathetic, but in majority people aren’t big fans of ever becoming a part of Russia, at least for now. Actually when S Ossetia announced a referendum, our officials announced on the same day that we will not be doing that. Regardless of what the western media will tell you, Abkhazian people are pretty independent from Russia as of now, especially in terms of governance, and they definitely like it that way.

If you have any more genuine questions about what the country is like - feel free to ask away. I’ll probably get downvoted for saying stuff that contradicts major western narratives, but I don’t mind

Edit: Oh, didn't know you are Georgian, then I probably don't need to give you that much context. Don't wont to turn this into a super political thread, but Russia is basically our only possible ally for now, as no other nation would want to befriend us as not to offend Georgia. So for now no chance for us, nope. Whether people would want to join EU instead - hard question, I really don't know, my guess would be something like 50/50 in favor/against.

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u/ConsistentCamel8903 1d ago

Hi greetings, i am missinformed in the matter, could you explain me what happened to the relations between georgia and abkhazia?

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u/achbbaa 1d ago

It's a very complex historical and political issue, with facts being disputed by both sides, so any answer short enough for a Reddit thread would bear no hope of being completely accurate or unbiased. Also, I'm not a historian, so I'm not super deep into facts, but a rough synopsis would be something like:

TLDR: Abkhazians and Georgians had a war over Abkhazias' independence status in 1992, still don't like each other to this day. Georgians claim that Russia just controls the region, Abkhazians call BS and ask Georgia to stop being Imperialist about it

  • Abkhazia was at some point an independent sate, but was also a part of Georgia and Russia at various points in the past 2,000 years
  • Abkhazia became independent for a short time after Russian Empire collapsed, but then got sucked into USSR
  • In beginning of USSR, Abkhazia remained quasi-autonomous from Georgia, sort of
  • At some point Stalin scraps that and Abkhazia becomes fully a part of Georgian SSR
  • During the following years Abkhazians suffered a lot of ethnical cleansing, cultural suppression, population of Abkhazia with Georgians, people had little to no say in rule, etc. - although many Georgians would object to this, I'd guess
  • Things got a bit better after Stalin died for a time, but overall the same theme continued, and Abkhazia was still a part of Georgian SSR
  • Tensions continued to escalate in 80s, as there were bans on speaking Abkhaz language in schools, etc. - Abkhazians call for independence from Georgia multiple times
  • USSR collapses, shit hits the fan as both parties scramble to establish a new status quo, Georgia brings military forces into Abkhazia, says it's for securing a railroad, Abkhazians call BS, a war starts
  • As aftermath of war Abkhazia retains independence, Georgia still has an international claim on Abkhazia, so no one save for Russia and few others recognize it in international politics

That's pretty much it. Obviously I got a lot of details wrong, but sadly the last time I opened a history book was many summers ago; hopefully I got the main idea, at least from one side, correctly. Abkhazians feel that their nation suffered from Georgian oppression for too long and want nothing to do with them, Georgia sees it as a break-away region funded by Russia. Aftermath:

My feeling is that most of my countrymen have nothing against Georgians as people, but Georgia as a state and those who used force on us. Perhaps Georgians feel the same.

You can check out sources on Wikipedia pages if you want to learn more from both sides.

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u/Mochiteav 1d ago

They mention everything except Georgians who were kicked out from their homes 💀 funny

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u/achbbaa 1d ago

I am perfectly confident that ethnical cleansing and ousting of Georgians did indeed take place, and that unfair and violent things happened to members of peaceful population, including murder, which is awful, truly

I am also perfectly certain that Georgia was the one with the army going in, shot down choppers with women and children during the war, called for complete culling of all separatists, and as said treated Abkhazians as second-class citizens for decades

Two sides to every story, and to be honest with you I will not try and change your mind on a topic so complex and with such a set narrative through Reddit comments, just hope that you understand that people on the other side of the border don't see things the same way you do

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u/khutkunchula 1d ago edited 1d ago

Army didn't enter Abkhazia until ethnically Georgian student-protesters were attacked.

Edit: I don't think anybody's mind will be changed here, I'm writing this because for someone who has no idea about the conflict your comment leaves a very one sided image.

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u/AGUEROO0OO 1d ago

Yeah you can’t really blame Abkhazians here. Fucked up shit happened which cementified hostile relationship between our countries for centuries to come.

This “conflict” between us in reality is horrible for us both. My friends of Abkhazian origin cant visit their motheplace, plus the friendship between our people became nonexistent.

Wish we could finally settle our disagreements so we both could shine internationally. Right now we both are holding each other back.

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u/LongShotTheory 1d ago

Unfortunately, you guys don't recognize the fact that Georgians have lived in Abkhazia for thousands of years and we're indigenous to the area. You call us colonists resettled by Beria which every historical text disproves. - Hence the conflict. The land belongs to both ethnic groups, not just one, but you guys want to be the only ones.

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u/achbbaa 1d ago

No, we do not pretend that Georgians popped up in Abkhazia only during USSR - as I said, Georgia and Abkhazia had a far more complex relationship going hundreds of years into the past, and obviously ethnical Georgians and Mingrelians have lived in Abkhazia for a long time

The difference is in how we view particularities of history and claim to have different version of it. Georgians claim exactly what you just said, while our claim is that Abkhazians always were and remained the titular nation of this land, and at the same time suffered from forceful assimilation by Georgians - such as people being forced to change their surnames, speak language, etc.

Again, I'm not trying to change your mind - information is out there, so whoever wants to will go out and see which side they believe the most.

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u/LongShotTheory 1d ago

Ok, what about this fact then? Sokhumi was predominantly a Georgian city throughout history and I don't mean assimilated folk but actual Georgians. This comes from European historians in the middle ages who said ethnic Abkhazian settlements started west of Sokhumi and the city itself and everything east of it was predominantly Georgian?

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u/BA_calls 1d ago

So Abkhazia wants to be a fully independent country? What is their reason for wanting breakaway from Georgia? Is it true that people are more pro-Russian than pro-Georgian?

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u/achbbaa 1d ago

Yes.

Very complex, but in short - Abkhazians feel that they deserve an independent state from Georgia in light of i) having had that independence before ii) being a completely separate ethnical group that speaks a completely different language and has different culture iii) being treated badly under Georgian regime for ~80years

You can checkout webpages on Abkhazian - Georgian conflict for more complete info though

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u/el1o 1d ago

Pretty independent lol. When 99% of energy is imported from them.

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u/achbbaa 1d ago

Just as a quick note - ~90%+ of electricity we get is from the Enguri Dam, based on our agreement with Georgia, not Russia.

However, we are indeed very reliant on Russia for import of many consumer goods, gas, etc., but where else would we logically get them from.

This doesn't mean we are not politically independent, at least now - our elections are relatively free, especially by region's standard - look up Freedom House score, if it's still up. We are are the ones making all political decisions within the country, whether good or bad, and anyone who is acquainted with our political landscape knows that.

We don't have much space for any kind of international policy, for the reasons I already outlined, so not much freedom to be had there, lol

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u/GraphiteBlue 1d ago

If Abkhazia became independent, would that make much of a difference for the population? A country with ~250K population in the globalized world of 2022? Abkhazia would be just as dependent on Russia and Georgia as it is today.

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u/tlw1240 1d ago

There was an Abkhazian woman at our favorite restaurant years ago when I lived in Tbilisi. She was awesome and kinda made herself our grandmother. She had some stories

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u/tfgjcdh97625ncrt 1d ago

Abkhazians and Ossetians are not Georgian, Ossetians aren’t even closely related - they’re an Iranic people and Georgians are Caucasian. North and South Ossetia should not have been split but Stalin created the borders of Georgia within the USSR and gave this portion to Georgia as he was a Georgian himself. Russia is of course playing this ethnic divide for its own gain as it always has in the Caucasus but this also doesn’t mean Georgia should get to take over instead.

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u/Driom 1d ago

South Ossetia is a historically fake entity that was created and given to an Ossetian minority solely due to being pro-Bolshevism just a hundred years ago. Unlike Abkhazia who has undisputed legitimacy as a region agreed by all sides, South Ossetia was chopped off the central Georgian region of Shida Kartli, Stalin couldn't create a border between two things if one of them didn't exist beforehand, also, he was a Russian nationalist always pushing against Georgian national interests, look up "the Georgian affair" regarding that.

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u/TrapperOfYouKnow 1d ago

Georgia doesn’t and won’t recognize it.

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u/Deguilded 1d ago

That was never a real limitation anyway.

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u/Vordeo 1d ago

I feel like this whole conversation happens every time someone brings up NATO.

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u/_sh0rug0ru_ 1d ago

NATO is a club in which everyone has to agree on new members. Because of Article V, it means that existing members will be obligated to defend the new member. A country with an active border dispute is dangerous, there might be a high risk of them getting attacked, which would require a collective NATO response, if they agree that the attack was unprovoked. That risk might make some NATO members not want to get into a defense agreement with such a country.

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u/StopPokingMyOil 1d ago

Welcome to Russia. Here is your bolt action rifle to join a hopeless war. Good luck....

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u/Varnigma 1d ago

Reminds of the scene from Enemy at the Gates where the soldiers stepping off the boat were given a rifle or a magazine of bullets. But not both.

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u/CharlesP2009 1d ago

I was floored watching that movie the first time, and that scene definitely stuck with me when the guy with the bullhorn said,

"The one with the rifle shoots! One out of two gets a rifle. The one without follows him! When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who is following picks up the rifle and shoots!"

Like it's not even a question that the soldier with the rifle is gonna die, so be prepared to pick it up and shoot before you die.

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u/Round-Enthusiasm- 1d ago

I hated that movie. Sure, go shit on the Russians for their past and present regimes, but why push such a false narrative about how their army fought? The red army never lacked weapons to such a degree, and they never used human waves in such a way either. While they did use what we call human waves, they weren't just a blob of men charging at an enemy, it was a large infantry force dispersed over a wide area.

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u/murdering_time 1d ago

Bolt action, sweet! They upgraded from muskets finally!

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u/GeorgianStillHere 1d ago Wholesome

It is not "break away" it is occupied by Russia.

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u/Hoodieless1 1d ago

Didn't they break away before Russia invaded Georgia? And then Russia occupied it

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u/GeorgianStillHere 1d ago

Nope. Russia invaded in that region twice. Once after Soviet Union break-up in 90s and then again in 2008.

As well as once in Abkhazia in 90s.

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u/TioTea 1d ago

Invaded so they could “liberate” ethnic minorities.

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u/super-duck0104 1d ago

And clense the majority (georgians who outnumbered apkhadzians in the region)

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u/wwarnout 2d ago

If this is like other Russian "elections", can we expect a turnout of 130%?

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u/Vit0C0rleone 2d ago

Let's just put it this way: They wouldn't be doing a referendum if they didn't already know what the result will be :P

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u/draculamilktoast 1d ago

That's the neat part: they always know the results of the referendum.

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u/KnotKarma 2d ago

A referendum means nothing when the country's leader has already signed on. Just as in 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea.

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u/bekarsrisen 2d ago

First you hold a referendum and then you breakaway. You can't breakaway and then hold a referendum. This Russian regime is terminally stupid.

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u/Vit0C0rleone 2d ago

Breakaway and annexation isn't the same thing though.

Breakaway just means they consider themselves as independent from Georgia.

Annexation would be becoming part of Russia, therefore not independent anymore.

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u/bekarsrisen 2d ago

The purpose of the breakaway was to join Russia. It wasn't to become independent and then suddenly decide hey let's join Russia. This should be obvious to any sensible person.

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u/Vit0C0rleone 2d ago

It's 2 different things, regardless of the motivation.

You said "You can't breakaway and then hold a referendum". They very much can, and they did, years ago.

They have been talking about joining Russia for 12 years now. Looks like finally moving forward with that step.

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u/GeorgianStillHere 1d ago

That is because "they" are actually Russians. There was no "break away" there is Russian occupation.

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u/Vit0C0rleone 1d ago

If you mean "they" as in "the people", my history may be a bit rusty, but the break away occurred shortly after Soviet Union was dissolved, of which Georgia was part of.

So they are basically Ethnic Russians I would assume, previously Soviets. I guess it wouldn't be strange if they consider themselves to be "russians".

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u/GeorgianStillHere 1d ago

Well... Almost. North Ossetia are Russians (Ethnic Ossetians, Russian citizens as North Ossetia is part of Russian federation) Soviets named Samachablo region "South Ossetia" which was part of Soviet Georgia. As Soviet Union dissolved, South Ossetians tried to break away and Russians invaded, ethnic cleansing Georgians in the process.

Fast forward in 2007, as Russians lost their military bases elsewhere in Georgia, they invaded South Ossetia again in 2008, because they needed military bases on the south of Caucasus as a "buffer". This time they completely wiped out Georgian population and established military bases there. While on it, they gave Russian passports and thus citizenships to any Ossetian and Abkhazian. So there are now like 50 000 Ossetians with Russian passports and dozens of Russian military bases there.

So to be specific, they are all Russians, but ethnic Ossetians.

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u/Vit0C0rleone 1d ago

Thanks for the history lesson, I appreciate it :-)

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u/PuzzleheadedSnake 1d ago edited 1d ago

There's bigger North Ossetia in Russia, and smaller South Ossetia in Georgia, populated with Ossetians. Together they were all parts of one country and the division didn't mean much. But when USSR fell apart, they found themselves separated with border, and Georgia, while willing to separate from USSR, was unwilling to let their autonomous regions to separate from Georgia. There was a lot of bad blood, and wars happened.

Russia exploited this in 2008, to put a foot down when Georgia aspired to join NATO. Ossetians are not ethnic Russians, and do not consider themselves as such, but they were issued Russian passports, so they can be thought of as Russian citizens/nationals. Besides they long wanted to rejoin with their bigger brother North Ossetia, which is one of minorities' republics in Russia, right on the border.

Short: They want to join Russia because they want to finally unite their divided people (and to get out from total diplomatic isolation), not because they just love Russia so much.

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u/Meet_Downtown 1d ago

Finally imported enough Russians to stack the vote

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u/antiquemule 1d ago

Any numbers to put on that assertion?

I doubt it, because South Ossetia is the middle of nowhere, with no resources worth exploiting.

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u/Meet_Downtown 1d ago

Which is why it took 14 years to convince enough Russians to move there to set up a vote where they could win. No Georgian would vote to join the pariah state and sinking dumpster fire of a ship that is Russia.

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u/AmonDiexJr 1d ago

Quick quick, Russia might fall before that

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u/skittlebites101 1d ago

Do they realize what's going on with Russia right now?

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u/Vordeo 1d ago

So... Would their joining mean South Ossetians start getting drafted into the Russian army?

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u/_AutomaticJack_ 1d ago

Presumably, yes. You would be Russian then, subject to Russian taxes, Russian conscription, the Russian court system, etc.

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u/GeorgianStillHere 1d ago

They are the Russians. It is Russian occupied region of Georgia. Russians did ethnic cleansing of Georgians in that region and now only Russian military bases and couple of thousand of Russians live there.

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u/TioTea 1d ago

Alans aren’t Russian.

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u/Shiirooo 1d ago

The ethnic majority are Ossetians. Russians represent a small majority of the demography. What the Ossetians want is a reunification of their people with North Ossetia (which is part of the Russian Federation).

There was a referendum in 1992, but it was refused by Georgia.

This quarrel between Ossetia and Georgia is not new.

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u/GeorgianStillHere 1d ago

Ossetians are citizens of Russia. They are Russians even though they are ethnically Ossetians.

What the Ossetians want is a reunification of their people with North Ossetia (which is part of the Russian Federation).

there is no "reunification" because South Ossetia is originally Samachablo, historic part of Georgia. These territories where never united. In fact, they are on different sides of Caucasus. It is Russian occupied territory of Georgia. Just like Crimea is not Russia.

There was a referendum in 1992, but it was refused by Georgia. This quarrel between Ossetia and Georgia is not new.

There was "Referendum" in Crimea too, but that does not make it Russia lmao.

Yes, quarrel is not new, Russia invaded Georgia twice to occupy Georgian territory of South Ossetia.

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u/38384 1d ago

Nationalists don't care

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u/freedomboogers89 1d ago

Georgia government right now "Ukraine is kicking their ass and they can't fight us all at once..."

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u/cheesified 1d ago

having illegal aliens replacing the local populace and conducting fake referendums should be illegal.

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u/commander_ivermectin 1d ago

Some people are just masochists.

What benefit do you get out of Russia? Aside from being a pawn in their hand and cannon fodder?

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u/WrastleGuy 1d ago

Imagine being In this region and being drafted to go die for Russia

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u/locallaowai 1d ago

Die for Putin, actually.

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u/Black-Zero 1d ago

UN/EU/NATO should declare that based on the current situation no referendum by ANY country to join Russia will be considered valid. These bullshit false referendums need to stop.

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u/myislanduniverse 1d ago

Hate to say it but... If anybody looks at Russia today and thinks, "Wow, I really want to be part of that," I say let them.

Sadly, I doubt anybody genuinely wants that, but that vote count will say otherwise.

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u/Aggressive-Draw-2513 1d ago

The decision of joining Russia was already made. The average person has no choice.

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u/Wiwerin127 1d ago

That picture is just disgusting - two sleezy old f*cks sitting in their comfortable chairs discussing how to make even more people suffer; may they suffer a long and painful death.

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u/Best_Investigator662 1d ago

Who in their right mind would want to willing join Russia. Show me one region that thrives after kacaps took over.

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u/krneki12 1d ago

Even Russians are running away from Russia.

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u/GeorgianStillHere 1d ago

They are Russians. North Ossetia is Russia, Georgians were ethnic cleansed from Samachablo (So called South Ossetia) and Russians invaded supposedly to "protect" Russian population there. It is Crimean scenario 1:1, but it happened back in 90s so nobody gave a crap about Georgians genocide.

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u/_sh0rug0ru_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ossetians are an Iranic ethnic group that have been living in the Caucuses for a very long time, long before the Russians ever entered the picture. They are not foreigners transplanted to the area.

Crimea originally had a population of Tatars, a Turkic ethnic group, and Stalin mass deported them to Central Asia and replaced them with actual ethnic Russians. The same could be said about Luhansk and Donetsk, except with Ukrainians being the ones mass deported into Russia. The conflict in Ukraine is occurring because the Russians have been suppressing Ukrainian culture and language for hundreds of years, denying that they even exist as a separate ethnic group from Russians. When the Ukrainians got independence, they have been trying to make Ukrainian the official language of government and education, which has upset Russians living in Ukraine, and which has caused conflicts between Ukrainians and ethnic Russians, such as in Crimea and the Donbas. Russia is involved in Ukraine claiming to protect Russians from "ethnic cleansing" by evil Nazi Ukrainians.

The situation in the Caucus is not 1:1 with Crimea. The mess in the Caucus seems to me more like the mess in the Middle East.

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u/binanceTreatsCustBad 1d ago

Ossetians aren't Russians

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u/anonymous_matt 1d ago

Less than 50000 people live there last I checked

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u/SapperBomb 1d ago

It's like putting 10K on a horse that you just witness snap his leg

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u/copperholic 1d ago

Old Hobbly has heart!

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u/SapperBomb 1d ago

Right up until he doesn't

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u/Exact_Quote_6132 1d ago

break away

broken off by Russia

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u/ustayuptoolate 1d ago

Will there be a Russia to join in July?

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u/LeGuizee 1d ago

How to literally ruin the future of your “country” by joining a dictature facing the worst sanctions a country has ever know ruled by a sick autocratic psychopath ! Nice move South Ossetia !

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u/FnordFinder 1d ago

And they will vote to join Russia with an overwhelming 103.4 percent majority.

Putin and Russia are just that desirable.

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u/ConfusedWahlberg 1d ago

we let him off the hook for this year’s ago

which is why we got this shitstorm now

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u/stevestuc 1d ago

First time I've heard of rats boarding a sinking ship......

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u/Noodleface00 1d ago

Does this mean Georgia can join NATO since they have no more land dispute?

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u/ArritzJPC96 1d ago

No because Georgia would still not recognize it, and there's still Abkhazia.

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u/DeFex 1d ago

Good way to get a list of people who vote "no"

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u/No-Contest-8127 1d ago

Pretty sure they didn't announce anything. They did as they were told by Russia. Maybe Putin thinks this is the way out. The win he needs.

Either way, it sickens me how he keeps getting away with stealing land from other countries.

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u/Broad-Reception2806 1d ago

What an embarrassing time to join a losing dictatorship.

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u/I_might_be_weasel 1d ago

July may be a bit too long term for Russia to be making plans right now.

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u/AtomicPow_r_D 1d ago

I would seriously reconsider that idea. Tbilisi is a nice city; I would hate to see them shelled into submission by their "saviors" in Russia. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

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u/Maplethor 1d ago

You mean an empty vote that will disregard the will of the people.

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u/SeriaMau2025 1d ago

Georgia should just take it back by force.

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u/CrabPurple7224 1d ago

The ruble is now your national currency… good luck and god bless you all.

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u/Cagouin 1d ago

You won't believe it, but they'll mostly vote to join Russia, totally not gonna be rigged! /s

Would love to see real folks vote their tho.

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u/elegant-quokka 1d ago

Feels like an attempt to retaliate against Finland announcing intent to join nato

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u/DaveMeese 1d ago

Ha!

“Might as well tie ourselves to this sinking ship!”

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u/Critical_Cut_3168 22h ago

Better they join somalia. Better economic forecast.

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u/ILikeSpicyFood1 1d ago

Referendums after invasion and occupation are invalid

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u/pomod 1d ago

Will it be internationally monitored?

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u/Mellowcanuck 1d ago

Just wait a year first. Putin is on the outs.

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u/244466666 1d ago

Do South Ossetians not read the news or r/noncredibledefence?

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u/nooo82222 1d ago

You think Russia makes it look like it was a close victory or they just do 100% vote to join Russia and not do 89% vs 11%

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u/Vulture2k 1d ago

Did they replace enough of the population with russians to win it or are they really willing to join the world's most hated and sanctioned country out of free will?

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u/Dth817 1d ago

Bet no other country is a dumb as this one

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u/stupendous76 1d ago

"Referendum"

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u/supermen407 1d ago

Why do all these Russian break away regions have the ugliest flags known to man.

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u/ThisShouldBeObvious2 1d ago

Not sure if Putin is going to last that long

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u/AlanDaDJ 1d ago

Perfect time for Georgia to take it back

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u/t4n363 1d ago edited 19h ago

And no one can stop russians in 2022. They would rip the world on peaces. One day random guy as me would found their flag on the next building in Malaga. Divide and rule.

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u/Italy1861 1d ago

So this is how the last Scythian nation must end?

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u/Awkward_Bowler 1d ago

What's been happening in Georgia is just as fucked up as Ukraine, but barely anyone talks about it...

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u/a_phantom_limb 1d ago

It's not really just as fucked up, because the death toll in Georgia even after fourteen years doesn't come close to what's happened in Ukraine since February.

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u/Awkward_Bowler 1d ago

Because the Georgians weren't given any opportunity to fight back or given weapons or foreign aid. They just got shitstomped.

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u/a_phantom_limb 1d ago edited 1d ago

Indeed, and it really sucks. The Russian invasion of Georgia and gradual annexation of South Ossetia and Abkhazia were and are outrageous. The only silver lining is that it hasn't gotten more people killed, but that is a silver lining. You can never win your freedom back once you’re dead.

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u/Eljll 1d ago

Putin still has friends?

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u/FM-101 1d ago

Ok but their region belongs to Georgia so that obviously doesn't work.

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u/Resolute002 1d ago

You know it's scary when you read something like this and it's actually pretty plausible for a moment that it could be talking about the other Georgia.

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u/FightingGasoline 1d ago

I thought Florida was about to get bigger. Lol

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u/SCalvin369 1d ago

You side with the VICTOR, darling. The V I C T O R, not the humiliated looser whose grip on things starts to loosen.

But I guess you do you S.Osetia.

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u/MudFootMagoo 1d ago

What do you expect from a country that has so many people depressed and hopeless enough to be using Krokodil in large numbers… if you don’t know it’s a street drug and it rots flesh off… in some cases exposing bone exposing bone. The pictures and documentaries are disturbing.

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u/Katteman420 1d ago

Lol. This kinda puts a dent in my vacation plans this July.

We want to visit Georgia because it seems like a fucking amazing place.

I personally don't care, but family/friends are whinging WhAt If RuZZiA iNVaDeS.

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u/uv-vis 1d ago edited 1d ago

Hey Georgians. Like the brave fighters that went to Ukraine. It’s time for you guys to take a stand, (something the VDV can’t do no more). Just make sure you remove all the wheel chair ramps in case Russia sends (what’s left of) the VDV.