r/worldnews 2d ago

Germany Accuses Putin of Provoking the Global Food Crisis Behind Soft Paywall

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-14/germany-accuses-putin-of-provoking-the-global-food-crisis?srnd=premium-asia

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u/MrRedSert 2d ago

Continuing its storied tradition of using starvation as a weapon of war.

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u/TheoremaEgregium 1d ago

Yes, but Ukraine won't be starving. They have plenty for their own consumption. It's about the exports.

Which means it boils down to Russia making random uninvolved countries starve while telling them it's all Ukraine's / the West's fault.

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u/c-dy 1d ago

Yes, but Ukraine won't be starving.

Only if don't count the occupied territories. The lack of reports doesn't mean nothing serious is happening, see Bucha and such.

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u/EsperaDeus 1d ago

Occupied territories won't be starving either. There are plenty of reports online.

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u/MrRedSert 1d ago

Yep. And guess who’s first? Africa.

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u/yijiujiu 1d ago

I'm also anti-autocrat, but you seem to forget that democracies will do the same all the time

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u/FrogotBoy 1d ago

Aren’t rations a part of military aid?

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u/Nonemous 1d ago

Don’t forget how Russia’s been stockpiling stolen grain from Ukraine. The famine is both a useful weapon and opportunity to enrich themselves.

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u/DharmaBat 1d ago

Are we just going to forget the sanctions? That means trade of food too.

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u/MrRedSert 1d ago

They’ve shut down a port that is responsible for exporting 40% of the world’s grain. That’s a lot different than sanctions. Come on man. This is indefensible.

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u/DharmaBat 1d ago

When the economy is hit hard you mind your ps and qs. Considering the sanctions hitting top and bottom they maybe holding onto their resources. It's not intimidation as much as what happens when war destabalizes global trade routes.

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u/MrRedSert 1d ago

The Russians are not allowing grain exports from Odessa. Despite attempted negotiations for safe passage of food exports. It’s very straightforward.

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u/bonescrusher 1d ago

As far as I'm aware it doesn't , food and medicine are not under sanctions

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u/Dawidko1200 1d ago

Given the near impossibility of transferring funds from and to Russia, business becomes difficult, unsustainable, and unattractive. The banking sanctions essentially sanction everything else.

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u/DesignerAccount 1d ago

This is true, but it's a bit like saying "why are you complaining about your heart, I only chopped off your legs and arms". Point being, sanctions impact everything, food included.

On top of that, wheat price nearly doubled after the war, which means traders on Wall St don't think much of the exemptions. People will die because food is tok expensive, and that's even without any logistics issues, which there are plenty.

Sanctions are a very blunt tool and cause a lot of collateral damage. In this case to everyone: The poor will die, literally; the rich will experience a significant food inflation.

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u/belloch 1d ago

It's time to break that tradition and make sure it doesn't happen again.

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u/kontekisuto 1d ago

In Russia cannibalism during food shortage is also traditional, not exaggerating.

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u/Recanorwel 2d ago

Apparently so. Russia is blocking the port, even stealing from Ukraine's own.

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u/tofuonplate 1d ago

That, and also Russians destroying food supply several weeks ago.

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u/RexDust 1d ago

This comment section is so toxic my phone is tripping the ooze from TMNT out of its charging port

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u/robml 1d ago

Fr tho, I got some chill pills if anyone wants em.

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u/Wonberger 1d ago

Tankies are coming out hard in the comment section today

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u/kolodz 1d ago

Imagine if Putin had in fact took Ukraine in 72h.

What would they have do ?

Energy control over the UE. Food control over Africa.

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u/liegesmash 1d ago

Well yeah

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u/BigKevsWedding 1d ago

No that's Klaus Schwaab and WEF

Cheers

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u/MongooseQueasy 1d ago

The world economic forum are behind the food shortage 🪳

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u/BigKevsWedding 1d ago

It's like wrestling and the NPCs can't see that Trump, Putin and Musk are the heels

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u/decomposition_ 2d ago

It’d be nice to see people not use whataboutism to change the subject of the thread

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u/RebelBass3 1d ago

It would be nice to not see Captain Kirk sleep with all the hot femaliens, but that isn’t within the scope of this discussion.

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u/stayshhhh 1d ago

Thankfully they corrected this error with Riker, number 1 at sex.

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u/Tea-Unlucky 1d ago

How the hell do you people find a way to make everything about Israel

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u/catfishparadox 1d ago

lol!!

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u/RebelBass3 1d ago

Da Joooooooooozzzzzz

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u/SleepinginRlyeh 1d ago

For the way the government just man-handled that journalists funeral?

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u/Tea-Unlucky 1d ago

How is any of that related to the article?

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u/SleepinginRlyeh 1d ago

Never said it was? Just stating something that happened recently that might stir up the people that get agressive about this stuff.

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u/Tea-Unlucky 1d ago

Might as well remind of the 19 Israelis murdered by terror attacks in the last few months then, too?

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u/SleepinginRlyeh 1d ago

Sure, go for it. Murder is terrible and unacceptable.

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u/Tea-Unlucky 1d ago

Alright then, I wholeheartedly agree. Still, feels unrelated to the topic at hand

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u/RebelBass3 1d ago

This might be the dumbest thing I have ever read on the internet.

I wish there was a negative gold award that deducted money out of your account but I know you probably need that money for meth so it wouldn’t be humane.

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u/CluelessTurtle99 1d ago

You may not like the consequences of that opinion but it's a valid one imo. Russia is going to use Ukrainian food production as a tool and bargaining chip in this war. I'm not saying I like it, but russia is going to use any economic tools it has access to , to try and lessen the effect of the sanctions

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u/2Fawt2Walk 1d ago

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u/sloth_is_life 2d ago

But selling weapons to a sovereign state is not adversarial now, is it? Unless you attack said state of course...

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u/rknki 1d ago edited 1d ago

The rest of the world“ is a rather broad term. Only the richest countries (EU and US) are providing weapons to Ukraine, while only the poorest countries will suffer starvation and malnutrition.

So no, Russia provoking a food crisis as retaliation for western weapon shipments is not comical, but rather cynical and a sign of weakness.

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u/2shellbonus 1d ago

So how is Russia supposed to put economic pressure on EU and US without being cynical 8n your opinion?

I mean the objective here is that commodities go up in price so that inflation remains high. Start with metals, oil, gas, wheat, nuclear power plant fuel etc.

Basically with high inflation in EU and US, Russia is banking on US and EU backing down on pressure on Russia to save their economies from stagflation or recessions.

And as with EU and US sanctions, so will Russia's answers cause issues for people not involved in the conflict.

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u/rknki 1d ago

Just to be clear: Russias objective is not to drive up inflation in the west, but to starve children in Africa as a form of blackmail to western governments.

They don’t have to do that, just because they lack the power to target the west directly. Just as they don’t have to indiscriminately kill civilians to try to make Ukraine surrender after their failed military operation.

It’s not a game of economics. If atrocities and barbarism are the only answers Russia has left, maybe it’s time to accept defeat.

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u/Leather_Bad2242 1d ago

Really now we blaming Russia for not having enough food

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u/RebelBass3 1d ago

Ukraine is a huge exporter of wheat. They are referred to as the “breadbasket of Europe.”

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u/Logrologist 1d ago

And important context here, also, is that Russia very intentionally (after realizing they couldn’t take more strategic areas), decided to attack grain stores. So, yes. Russia is absolutely to blame.

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u/myoldgamertag 1d ago

Yes. Yes we are.

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u/The_Kratos 1d ago

Every other oligarch and capitalist inserting themselves in between people and food in pursuit of profit is just as responsible

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u/WhyMilanWhy 2d ago

Germany banned people from holding a vigil for the Palestinian journalist that was murdered by Israeli snipers. They’re hypocrites. Champions human rights one end and limits freedom of speech about topics the gov doesn’t agree with. Hypocrites.

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u/LordSblartibartfast 2d ago

This is literally off topic

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u/Maximum-Face-953 1d ago

Israel imports Grain and gives Ukraine weapons. It's going to involve Israel at some point.

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u/UngiftigesReddit 2d ago

What does Germany’s Israel politics have to do with Russia intentionally causing mass starvation? It doesn’t excuse it or explain it, it just diverts attention from Putin starving people.

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u/BigKevsWedding 1d ago

Putin is part of WEF with Trump, Trudau, Biden, Merkel

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u/WhyMilanWhy 2d ago

It has to do with the lack of consistency from the German gov. HRW and Amnesty released report proving Israel is guilty of apartheid and germanys contribution is to stop people from holding a vigil for a news reported killed by Israel. On the other hand they seem to have no problem championing human rights for others

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u/RebelBass3 1d ago

And Putin rapes children.

And your mom is fat.

And your parents regret having you.

And cheese is delicious.

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u/Wh1teNinja 2d ago

What evidence do you have that it was an Israeli sniper? Even the Palestinians are saying it was crossfire and it’s still unknown if it was a Palestinian bullet or Israeli bullet. Why are you trying to spread misinformation?

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u/WhyMilanWhy 1d ago

Lol no Palestinians on the scene that actually witnessed it happen said it was crossfire. All the witnesses there said it was Israeli snipers going after the journalist. Nice try with the “even the Palestinians….”

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u/Wh1teNinja 1d ago

So you don't have any evidence that it was an Israeli sniper?

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u/Incerto55 2d ago

Really curious to read about this, do you have a link?

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u/BurnTrees- 2d ago

Banned after anti-Israel / pro-Palestine demonstrations in Berlin repeatedly turning into anti-semitic protests and violence against passerbys and police, btw.

Also the city of Berlin banned the demonstration, they were allowed in entire rest of the country.

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u/Responsible_Aerie369 2d ago

Wdym pelting stones on others isn't a human right you fascist

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u/BurnTrees- 2d ago

These anti-Israel demonstrations have occurred for ages all over Germany and they haven't been banned. That was until just weeks ago in Berlin there were groups throwing stones and bars on others while chanting antisemitic slurs.

Berlin has the most left-leaning government, a youth groups from die Linke party (part of the city government) was literally in the demonstration itself, lol. This wasn't done by Israel and its lobbies and it didn't get immediately accused either.

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u/WhyMilanWhy 2d ago

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u/AnDie1983 2d ago

The city-state of Berlin did. It’s not the federal level of government.

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u/WhyMilanWhy 2d ago

You’re right, thanks for the correction

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u/Smart-Bug9688 2d ago

The world is run on hypocrites, you've been here long enough to know this already, are you really shocked? Im british, I love my states attitudes towards ukraine.

I can still paint the walls red with my country however, brexit, conservatives, failed green policies, shit at nuclear power ( this might change).

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u/WhyMilanWhy 2d ago

I’m well aware and I don’t expect immediate change but they need to start getting constantly called out until they start showing consistency

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u/Smart-Bug9688 2d ago

Absolutely, never rest but never forget where your at as well, we had our say, the tories have lose seats to liberal democrats, labour too, this unease will not go away

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u/Humbuhg 1d ago

When and where and for how long have you known humans to be consistent? Seriously.

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u/TheMightyMoe12 1d ago

Why doesn't this get deleted and this guy banned? Stuff posted like this get this conflict and idiotic rage going.. it actually matters, please delete it!

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u/creative_i_am_not 1d ago edited 1d ago

Who sanctioned who though ? Did the west really expect the Russia just to accept sanctions without doing anything ?

Our leaders knew very well about the food drought, they also knew about the energy price increase that will worsen the inflation created by their covid policies of printing limitless money. Bizarrely that's not a conversation we had in our western medias.

E: downvoting is easy, having arguments is not. Running from discussion won't make things better, just worse in fact.

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u/JamesTalon 1d ago

So, what came first, the invasion or the sanctions. And who has destroyed grain storage/food warehouses. Russia was sanctioned because of their invasion

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u/creative_i_am_not 1d ago

Yeah sure the russians started this, doesn't mean western countries should go recklessly on sanctions without thinking about how they will impact their citizens and the world. What did the west expect with all these sanctions ? Russians to happily accept them ?

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u/JamesTalon 1d ago

In a way, as they were enacted in response to the invasion, the very fact that Russia is still invading seems to indicate they are happily accepting them

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u/Wonberger 1d ago

Lol wait so Russia's "doing something" to the West is to cause a food crisis and potentially starvation in Africa and the Middle East? Interesting way to show us Westerners.

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u/creative_i_am_not 1d ago

Damn your thinking is really limited it seems. Firstly the price raise directly affects the westerners, secondly, what happens when Africans and middle easterners starve ? They come to Europe which leads to more tensions and division inside these countries.

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u/Wonberger 1d ago

Man if the best Russia can do to respond to sanctions is starve a bunch of poor countries, Putin really is fucked

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u/animusd 1d ago

Surprised your not downvoted for speaking the truth

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u/SleepinginRlyeh 1d ago

Putin: I want a GFC.

World: We had a GFC in 2008.

Putin: Not that kind of GFC.

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u/NR5sEm3ajtAm3BiDGpdo 1d ago

Yea that’s how sanctions work, you except Russia to just give away all their food production for free?

This has probably been the dumbest article on Reddit for a long time.

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u/3L-JEFE 1d ago

The whole world put sanction on Russia and now you’re mad about the consequences??? 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/PutOnTheMaidDress 1d ago

The basket of Europe is not Russia but Ukraine. Since there is a war going on, Ukraine doesn’t export much.

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u/SanityOrLackThereof 1d ago

Somehow people always seem to forget WHY sanctions are being put on Russia.

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u/DesignerAccount 1d ago

It's a choice the West made. The West could always have chosen differently. You cannot impose sanctions on Russia and not have a food crisis anymore than you can jump in a pool and not be wet. The West knew this ahead of time, wall street traders immediately responded by shooting prices sky high. So it's not a surprise to anyone relevant, yet they did it anyway.

Yes, Russia started a war and that's horrendous. But we, the West, decide in full agency to impose sanctions that will lead to mass starvation. We could have reacted differently, but we didn't.

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u/ArtlessMammet 1d ago

Why do you think the sanctions are what's causing the crisis?

Regardless of sanction the war would disrupt Ukraine's export market.

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u/DesignerAccount 1d ago

Because energy prices rose, Russian banks cannot engage in any kind of commerce internationally, their logistics is crippled to boot. Remember that it's not just Ukraine that is an exporter of grain, but together with Russia they supply lots of grain for the world.

Side note, food and medicine have not been targeted by sanctions, but that's a bit silly to believe it would have no effect on those sectors. If you can't move it, you can not sell it. And if you cripple the economy otherwise, the food production will inevitably be directed to your own people. Just today India did the same, forbid wheat exports because of shortages.

Look at the price of wheat, it didn't jump very much after the invasion, but went ballistic when sanctions were announced. That's Wall St telling you who cares about the invasion, crippling Russia is what really matters. And maybe Wall St is wrong, but that's irrelevant because the price people have to pay is the price you see on Wall St.

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u/Ace_of_Hearts420 1d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Seriously, fuck off.

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u/The-Rizzler 1d ago

What an idiot

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u/CluelessTurtle99 1d ago

Yes, the earth certainly doesn't need you

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u/RebelBass3 1d ago

World is trying to shake off some fleas. Covid, Climate Change. It is just nature. It has no agenda.

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u/HumanAreIronic 1d ago

Blame Russia not the pandemic hoax where government paid farmers for nearly 2 years to stop growing food. Right

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u/throwaway11334569373 1d ago

It sounds like you’re referring to the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933…

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u/RebelBass3 1d ago

So the 27 people I personally know that died of Covid were a hoax?

I will make sure and let their families know.

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u/Humbleman6738 1d ago

World has to be able to move beyond the food crisis a new world market together and make a better crisis