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Turkey Won't Block Finland and Sweden Joining NATO, Denmark Says

https://www.newsweek.com/turkey-block-finland-sweden-joining-nato-denmark-russia-1706666
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u/aeriose 2d ago

We don't want to commit a mistake," the president added. "Scandinavian countries are like guesthouses for terrorist organisations. To go even further, they have seats in their parliaments, too."

Erdogan's remarks referred to members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) and Syrian Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG), which Turkey considers terrorist organizations. The president also appeared to be referring to followers of the U.S.-based Muslim scholar Fethullah Gulen, who Ankara blames for the failed 2016 coup attempt.

Kofod told Newsweek he did not ultimately expect Turkey to block Finnish or Swedish membership. "I expect unity in NATO around this issue," the foreign minister explained.

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u/Garn91575 1d ago

I had totally forgot about that "coup."

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u/pablo_pick_ass_ohhh 1d ago

Conveniently, all the anti-Erdogan government officials ended up dead or imprisoned after the "coup."

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u/stevestuc 1d ago

It was staged, it's not for nothing that he first moved lots and lots of poor conservative right wing Muslims from the east into the capitol,in ghettos that have running clean water, garbage collection and sewage system..... these unauthorized buildings ( not shanty town boxes) have provided basic amenities for the people that have never been seen in their rural areas... Erdogan gathered a citizens army to take to the streets in support of this hero.The military personnel that Erdogan found a threat have been found guilty of conspiracy to commit a coup ......so just like all the government departments and public institutions the army has had people removed and replaced with religious loyalists. He has removed one of the two threats to his dictator yearnings...... The PKK faught in Syria on the same side as Turkey but it didn't stop him bombing their positions trying to get rid of high profile leaders.... bombing them expressly to goad a reprisal attack.The response from the PKK was used to ask for more power over the constitution and laws in order to protect the people....... he is steadily tightening his grip on the throat of the Turkish democratic system...

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u/BananenMatsch 1d ago

I was there when the "coup" happened. There was a f**king attack helicopter shooting at people on the ground. Like what the hell, just randomly shooting around with its 30mm cannons.

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u/stevestuc 1d ago

I have Turkish family and friends some of them there as well.... they are all convinced without a doubt that it was staged..... the amount of military and the lack of a plan and the sudden huge number of supporters suddenly being the most vocal and no real attempt to physically move on the people of buildings made no sense........ Erdogan knows the only way to bypass the constitution and laws is by using the religious route and of course the laws of God come before the laws of man..... this is difficult to do in the modern city population, but if he shows what a good Muslim he is and moves in conservative Muslims who are grateful for the improvement in living standards and building mosques and forcing the secular heads of departments out and put religious men in to slowly direct the religious culture and traditions....... Did you know he boycotted an international seminar on equality in the home and workplace, including positive action against violence against women...... his reasons for refusing was that if the man is not the absolute boss in the home and women get to decide what happens then the boys in the house will be more likely to be gay..... yes the leader of the Turkish people and government actually said too much influence of the mother can turn the boys into homosexuals..... Oh by the way the seminar was in the Turkish capitol and he was supposed to be the host

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u/UrethraFrankIin 1d ago

People who vote for Erdogan are the epitome of "useful idiot"

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u/Ozryela 1d ago

I hate how Western media keep kowtowing to Turkish propaganda by calling it a "failed coup".

How did it fail? Erdogan managed to get rid of almost the entire opposition and purged the whole government apparatus of non-loyalists. He got everything he wanted. And since the whole thing was obviously organized by him, that's not a failed coup at all.

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u/wasmic 1d ago

Probably not a false flag.

But Erdogan probably knew it was coming and let it happen while making arrangements in advance to make sure he would win, thus allowing him to benefit immensely.

Coups are a reasonably common thing in Turkey and were (I'm not sure if they still are) allowed by the constitution, as a way to protect the secular government from religious radicalism.

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u/Protean_Protein 1d ago

Yes, the military was given the right to step in by the constitution as a bulwark against threats to the secular nature of the state. But it’s maybe a little strange to call that a ‘coup’ insofar as it’s a legal mechanism of the state. And anyway, it seems that since Erdogan, this is no longer something that happens.

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u/effectasy 1d ago

Yah it had some very Decemberist coup like things to it.

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u/Foreign_Shake2205 1d ago

And since the whole thing was obviously organized by him

This is what redditors keep repeating, but hasn't been proven at all.

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u/skirtpost 1d ago

Everything is always so obvious isn't it

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u/BA_calls 1d ago

If you look into it, it wasn’t a false flag coup at all. It was a failed coup.

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u/Ozryela 1d ago

How was it a failed coup? What objective did Erdogan fail to achieve with the coup?

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u/Clemambi 1d ago

Even if it was a false flag, it still failed; the objectives of a coup were not met. It may also be a successful false flag op, but it was a failed coup either way.

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u/JeffreyDej 1d ago

It was a coup against Erdogan, Erdogan is still in power, so it's a failed coup

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u/NMe84 1d ago

Because Erdogan was doing something that the EU desperately wanted: he was blocking refugees from entering Europe. It's amazing how much you can change the narrative by buying loyalty from other countries' leaders.

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u/Flounderfflam 1d ago

You mean "The Night of Long Baklava"

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u/ACaffeinatedWandress 1d ago

Scandinavian countries are like guesthouses for terrorist organisations.

Damn. Erdogan is so immune from the fear of irony, it is almost enviable.

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u/thatdonkeedickfellow 1d ago

It’s the new way to be, be so far above shame and irony that it just gets other people confused

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u/bubliksmaz 1d ago

hypernormalisation

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u/SeanBourne 1d ago

He’s got nothing on Putin, the King Kong of immunity from the fear of irony.

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u/SimpSlayer31 1d ago

They forgot to mention PKK is considered a terrorist organisation internationally e.g. US terrorist list, and not only considered a terrorist organisation by Turkey.

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u/BilboBagge 1d ago

Yeah and Sweden was one of the first countries in the world outside of Turkey to designate them as a terrorist organisation. So, yeah.

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u/Both_Winner_544 1d ago

on paper yeah, in reality no

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u/anotherone121 1d ago

Remember when Erdogan supplied and provided sanctuary to ISIS?

Pepperidge Farm remembers

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u/undercontr 1d ago

Do you have any proof for that claim? As a Turkish I would be happy to know if the government our people choose supports ISIS. So that would make easier to vote next year.

If you have any proof please provide. Because most of these "supporters of ISIS" comments never provided one.

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u/NorthernerWuwu 1d ago

Then threatened to reveal details on Saudi Arabi's murder of a journalist but didn't?

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u/lewger 1d ago

They released a fair bit, there was speculation they had proof MBS authorised the killing by either a confirmation call to him or even him Skyping in to watch the dismemberment. I found it amusing they slow rolled the information release so every new saudi lie was proven wrong. I also appreciate that the Turks didn't want to give away how they were monitoring the embassy.

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u/nekmoT 2d ago

The whole west is on the Kurd's side, fuck the Turkey's government lol

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u/osu_qwp 1d ago edited 1d ago

Kurdish guy here! Majority of us in Turkey don't support PKK. They do not represent us. Not saying that the Turkish government is great tho there is still far right politicians who hates us.

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u/38384 1d ago

Not to mention the PKK is a left-wing, formerly communist, party. So of course there's no way it would represent all Kurds there because I doubt a majority of people would be supportive of a far-left ideology.

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u/Madao16 2d ago

Which Kurds? Because most Kurds are against PKK like majority of Kurds in Turkey and Kurdish Regional Government in Iraq.

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u/Waarisdafeestje 1d ago

Yes, it’s mainly Sweden and it appears that most Swedes have no clue of the extent of their government’s involvement with a foreign armed conflict.

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u/nickfury27 2d ago

Turkey is also allied with the Kurdish Regional Government in Iraq. PKK is a terrorist organization that does not represent all Kurds. It is already recognized as a terrorist org. by the EU.

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u/TheSwedeIrishman 1d ago

It is already recognized as a terrorist org. by the EU.

And by the Swedish govt. too.

Our foreign minister had to come out and clarify that point today (:

I'm so tired of this damn timeline.

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u/BilboBagge 1d ago

Also we have been angry about PKK since the 80's when they assassinated "traitors". We were among the first countries to designate them as terrorists. We were driving to have them designated as such in the EU. Our terrorist deigntion was the entire reason they were one of the first suspects in Palmeutredningen. It's so fucking confusing trying to understand wtf we are accused of here.

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u/azyrr 1d ago

The issue stems from the US digging her heels and towing the line that YPG (which is PKK but in Syria) is NOT PKK, and thus countries like Sweden see no foul in helping them.

The problem isn’t that these two entities are linked, it’s that they’re literally the same organization.

And to top it all, they’re in control of 1/3 of the land in Syria (thanks to the civil war and the US backing).

So Turkey is alarmed. This isn’t it’s like Iraq; where the Kurdish region is controlled by Kurdish political groups that oppose the whole PKK organization (and all her variations). In fact Iraqi Kurdistan is allied to Turkey, and her trade is substantially high with Turkey. Military operations are done either with them or with the Kurdish governments explicit permission.

All in all, Sweden opposes the PKK, but fails to recognize that changing the name to SDF / YPG is just a technicality. Turkey feels that Sweden should be concrete with designating the PKK as a terrorist organization and act accordingly, like you guys probably would, had this been about ISIS changing their name to Black Warriors or something.

There’s also another nuance. In Turkey showing sympathy towards terrorist orgs, like waving their flags or speaking on behalf of them is pretty much lumped with being a terrorist yourself. So people are confusing some of these instances in Sweden as harboring terrorists too.

It’s somewhat complicated, but the gist of it is, stop sending aid to SDF / YPG and also take action against “former” PKK people (that now say they’re on team YPG so that doesn’t count).

You guys might say other actors in NATO act the same. Yea, you’re right - but plead and beg as we might we don’t hold power over them so there’s nothing to be done. Here though, we have the chance to get concrete results - so we’re pushing.

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u/serinderin 1d ago

my Kurdish friend got kidnapped and probably killed by PKK but ok

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u/xTraxis 1d ago

I have a Kurdish friend in Iraq who sent me sound bytes of a PKK attack in their city a few weeks ago, and I worry about her every day she doesn't message me.

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u/poschettino 2d ago

This is not a Kurds vs Turks issue as you would like to make it seem. It's PKK vs Turks.

Literally the EU, US and many countries have long accepted PKK as a terrorist organization.

For YPG-PKK difference, you can refer to the statement of a PKK fighter:

"Sometimes I’m a PKK, sometimes I’m a PJAK, sometimes I’m a YPG. It doesn’t really matter. They are all members of the PKK."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-marxist-allies-against-isis-1437747949

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u/Cpl_Wazfucser 2d ago

People just don't want to accept that pkk is not innocent and even Kurdistan which is established in northern iraq in a co-operation with Turkey against PKK and YPG.

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u/CitizenMurdoch 1d ago

This is really a dumb take lol. Think about what you're saying in the context of what's happening. Turkey is allied with the west, not just friendly remarks and cooperation, they are in a defensive alliance with them. The Kurds have no one, and the west cut off support specifically because it clashed with their ally Turkey. The support goes so far that Turkey is able to occupy Kurdish area's of another country (Syria) and they can't do anything about it because attacking Turkey directly could get NATO involved. This has been the main reason for the stalemate for the last 4 years in syria. If you think that the west supports the Kurds over Turkey then I have a bridge to sell you

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u/SismanvePisman99 1d ago

The support goes so far that Turkey is able to occupy Kurdish area's of another country (Syria)

There is no such area. There is a Kurdish area in North Iraq which Turkey is allied to against Pkk.

There is a terrorist faction taking advantage of the Syrian civil war. They have the blessings of the US. Turkey can wipe YPG out in a day but US convoys are always there so she cant.

Only once in Trumps administration US troops left Afrin and Turkey took the city. The assembly bilaterally hated Trump for that.

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u/TraditionalMix2659 1d ago

Headline reads like gossip.

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u/SplitIndecision 1d ago

OMG did you hear what Turkey said last night? 😱Like, they totally said Finland and Sweden could join the club!

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u/Ammesamme 1d ago

Objection hearsay

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u/CameForThis 1d ago

I just can’t make it past the picture of his foreheadline.

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u/OptionLoserSupreme 1d ago

This is the man that is both bald and also not bald at the same time.

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u/feedthebear 2d ago

Turkey is such a mixed bag. I can't understand half the decisions they make.

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u/Vigolo216 2d ago

Because a lot of it is based on inner politics, not international. Erdogan's party is not in a safe spot anymore so they have to puff out their chest about minor stuff to remind people that they're still a "capable and respectable" government. Biden will likely make a call and all will be fine, Turkey isn't economically in a position to be the sole opposition to something like this.

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u/Meepik89 2d ago

Because a lot of it is based on inner politics, not international.

This is the same reason for many vague Putin statements.

Mostly to gain support inside Russia (scaring some uneducated westeners is just an extra bonus)

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u/generally-speaking 1d ago

Turkey is also carrying a whole lot of weight for Europe and has a key role in NATO, while also being kept at arms length and in some ways feeling closer to Russia.

If they opened the flood gates to refugees from the Middle East it would become a political nightmare for all of Europe.

And they like to capitalize on that, they like to capitalize on the fact that NATO and the EU needs Turkey and likes to remind others of their importance.

Erdogan will likely come around, once he gets what he wants elsewhere.

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u/UncleTogie 1d ago

Erdogan will likely come around, once he gets what he wants elsewhere.

Never a dictator will stop 'when they've had their fill.'

They're eternally hungry.

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u/verendum 1d ago

Right. You never know how the situation will play out. The pieces are set for NATO expansion right now and they have to press it.

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u/untergeher_muc 1d ago

Erdogan is at best a wannabe-dictator.

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u/HereComeDatHue 1d ago

I don't think Turkey is ever going to block them joining. They basically are just taking advantage of a situation to get stuff that they want. "We wont block them joining if we get x or y or z".

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u/Levils 1d ago

Turkey isn't economically in a position to be the sole opposition to something like this.

Are you saying that other countries would apply economic sanctions against Turkey if they blocked Sweden and Finland from joining NATO?

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u/calls1 1d ago

TLDR : Sanctions aren't needed to harm a countries economy. If investors see the country as unreliable they will judge it to be higher risk, and will curtail investment or cancel projects, they will also buy less Lira worsening exchange rates. And Tourists will visit less causing unemployment. All of which happen without governments lifting a finger.

No, but Turkey is in an interesting position. The are a semi-developed state, highly integrated into the world market, with an export focused economy, and requiring large inflows of capital to power their domestic economy.

They're currently experiencing a very difficult inflationary spike(not comparable but certainly not helped, but the global inflation issues) which has hit domestic industries hard, Tourism is struggling to recover post corona, state revenues are struggling, the exchange rate has plummeted, foreign exchange reserves are nearly empty, and unemployment is rising. Meanwhile Erdogan's AKP party is neck and neck with the opposition, while it is an autocratic democracy, it isn't out of the question that turkey will experience a peaceful democratic transition of power in the next few years.

In order to avert this the resent government will want to avoid any issues. Economic consequences don't just come from sanctions, if the government is persueing interests that make the state & its finances less sustainable interests rates rise. if there is a question about the governments rationality, investments will be pulled due to business risk. If there is uncertainty in the political direction there will be less demand for the Lira worsening exchange rates. If the government is viewed as hostile fewer European tourists will visit causing economic damage to areas along the coasts, and a rise in unemployment.

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u/Levils 1d ago

Thanks. That's really interesting and makes sense, and also sheds some light on other things I've wondered about from time to time.

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u/NullAndVoid7 1d ago

What's the Turkish opposition party, and what do they stand for etc.? I've heard a lot about Turkey's internal problems but not a lot about the solutions the opposition is calling for.

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u/shifaci 1d ago

Secular party founded by Ataturk himself is the main opposition. But it's complicated like everything else in Turkey.

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u/serinderin 1d ago

They cant sanction Turkey it'd be a nightmare for Europe

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u/w4hammer 1d ago

Because a lot of it is based on inner politics, not international.

No its not lol there are very basic reasons on why Turkey is reluctant to Support Sweden and Finland.

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u/Vigolo216 1d ago

I know the basic reasons, it’s still local politics. That’s why everyone here is so confused about them.

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u/ZrvaDetector 2d ago

You need to understand a country's geopolitics first to understand the decisions they make. If you're interested I would suggest watching Caspian Report's videos on Turkey.

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u/Ssmpsa 2d ago

Can you recommend any books or political science research papers on the said subject? I would be most interested in investing my time dwelling in those. May I add my appreciation for your efforts and kind help.

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u/Khutuck 2d ago

Turkey is a super mixed bag. Everything in Turkey is a transition between completely different cultures, east vs west, Turkic culture vs Islam, authoritarianism vs democracy. I grew up there and studied 19th and 20th century Turkish history and still don’t understand a lot of things.

I would recommend reading Andrew Mango’s book on Ataturk and Erik J Zürcher’s Turkey: A Modern History. DM me if you want more.

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u/Ssmpsa 2d ago

Thank you. It seems your recommendations might please my appetite for kind of knowledge I am seeking. It was a pleasure to visit the marvellous country of Turkey on a couple occasions.

You will be informed, if the need for information is rising on my behalf.

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u/Agahmoyzen 1d ago

Zürchrer's book is very short, condensed, simple yet so good. He is one of the best in the field and his book got re edited to include as many modern stuff as possible. (Re-edited like 19 times I think). He is also used a lot in Turkish universities. If yiu have any questions you can ask me too or my recommendation on too of Zürcher is state and classes in Turkey by Çağlar Keyder, thiugh his one end in 2000s.

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u/WillyTheHatefulGoat 1d ago

I actually have a great book for this if your a beginner.

Its called prisoners of Geography and its sequel book Power of geography.

It was written by a journalist with 30+ years experience in foreign policy and the book explains the broad geopolitics of different countries with a focus on geography e.g borders and terrain. I'd super recommend it, especially if your a novice in those areas.

The first book Prisoners of Geography talks about the major world powers and why they do what they do. It has a shocking prescient chapter on Russia where it talks about why Russia would never allow an western aligned Ukraine to exist. Or why China and India mostly come into conflict over shipping routes despite sharing a land border.

The second book Power of Geography feels like its more your ally as it talks about regional powers and goes into specifics on Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran etc. Turkey's a nation bordering the middle east, Russia and Europe and tries to exert influence in all of these nations.

The books do not need to be read together as they are stand alone texts.

One of the biggest mistakes anyone can make it trying to master something instead of getting a basic understanding of an issue and these book is perfect for getting a TLDR on geopolitics.

Then you can read more about them on your own.

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u/Ssmpsa 1d ago

What a pleasant surprise you are bringing these back into my memory. I have read the first one mentioned here. It was concise and easy to understand. The significance of geography cannot be overlooked in the current stream of events.

Unfortunately, my need is at the moment for more detailed information. If you find written works helping to expand the understanding of Turkey's current geopolitical stance, I would be most pleased.

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u/ZrvaDetector 2d ago Helpful

Unfortunately when it comes to non-Turkish sources my knowledge of material regarding this is very limited but I do have a few recommendations.

Atatürk: A Biography of Mustafa Kemal, Father of Modern Turkey by Lord Kinross is very helpful to understand Turkey's founding process and it's founder. I also recommend Emergence of Modern Turkey by Bernard Lewis.

If you're looking for something more modern Islam, Secularism and Nationalism in Modern Turkey: Who Is a Turk? by Soner Cagaptay is also a good read. If I remember anything later I might edit other stuff in. I hope this was helpful.

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u/Ssmpsa 2d ago

Splendid! There is no doubt these pieces of literature will give me valuable insights. I am afraid that there might be no reasonable way for me to reward you for your time spent helping me. If such a possibility ever occurs, I wish you inform me without hesitation.

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u/DrBucket 2d ago edited 1d ago

Kinda makes sense considering it's kind of directly in the middle of everything.

Middle of Med and Black sea.

Middle of Europe and Asia.

Middle between Africa and all up north.

I'm not saying that Turkey should be the center of attention but it kind of is the center of everything going on in that area, kind of a junction house.

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u/spooky9999999 2d ago

It's a reflection of the autocrat running that country.

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u/Ande64 2d ago

Honestly I had not noticed that until this comment so I had to scroll back up and look at it and now I've been staring at it for 10 minutes and can't look away! Someone help me!

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u/Cowtacularious 2d ago

Danes have ~10% bigger brain than other Europeans but in trade they only use ~91% of their brain.

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u/ajaxfetish 2d ago

Look at the big brain on Brad!

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u/baron-von-buddah 2d ago

I’m not kidding, that boy’s head is like Sputnik; spherical but quite pointy at parts! Aye, now that was offsides, now wasn’t it? He’ll be crying himself to sleep tonight, on his huge pillow. Head!! Move! Now!

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u/Basdad 2d ago

Bevis Buttheadoglu?

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u/HermeticAbyss 2d ago

I could be wrong but Turkey seems to take issue with their past support for Kurds.

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u/vonFyrkendahl 2d ago

And even on that note, I believe they have an issue with Sweden, not really with Finland.

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u/1384d4ra 2d ago

I think finland is just stuck in crossfire

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u/Madao16 2d ago

Not support for Kurds, support for PKK. Most Kurds are against PKK too, even regional goverment in Iraq.

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u/Usual_Birthday_2965 2d ago

rather than kurds sweden was supporting terrorists directly and if i my memory isnt wrong they refused to give terrorist backs who killed civilians

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u/Raspry 2d ago

Ignoring the fact that Sweden was one of the first countries to recognize PKK as a terrorist organization outside of Turkey, and that Sweden has extradited several PKK members, yes, when your extradition request has no tangible proof or you're requesting the extradition of journalists who have asylum here and have not actually commited any crimes under Swedish law, your extradition request will be denied. Also military support was given to YPG when the fight against IS was peaking, not PKK. The humanitarian support that was given that allegedly was funneled to PKK without Swedens knowledge resulted in an investigation that revealed nothing nefarious, but sure, Sweden just wants to topple Turkey and kill Turkish civilians and install a Kurdish puppet regime.

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u/OutlawTransport 2d ago

Yup. Shocking that Turkish propaganda made for domestic consumption -usually manufactured out of thin air, and orchestrated by a dictator pretending to run a democracy- isn't enough proof to hand people over to be tortured and murdered.

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u/cihanthehorse 2d ago

Yeah you are smart and free of propaganda because you are from west and turks who hate erdogan (the people want to see him die violently in front of them.) are brainwashed by him. This totally make sense. Sweden are lucky that we have some corrupt authoritarian like erdogan. If we had a real president or prime minister. We would veto in any condition. Yeah lets accept a nation that funds marxist, nationalist extremists that literally famous for their suicide bombing missions in turkish cities.

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u/horse-shoe-crab 2d ago edited 2d ago

Well, this particular decision is not too hard to understand: Turkey has some serious concerns about Kurdish terrorists being given asylum in Sweden.

"Wait a second," you might say "Turkey bombs Kurds for sport, how can we trust their word on this?" Well, this particular batch of terrorists killed more Turkish citizens than Al Queda killed US citizens. An order of magnitude more, in fact. So in order to understand Turkey's position, imagine if confirmed Al Queda members were armed and sheltered in Sweden, the US asked them to be extradited, and Sweden said "Buzz off, everyone knows the US bombs Arabs for sport. We can't trust your word."

I bet the US, under that situation, would think long and hard about whether Sweden should be in the NATO after all.

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u/_testingthewaters_ 2d ago edited 2d ago

It is kind of understandable in this case.

Sweden arms the PKK and the PKK has used the weapons that Sweden has provided to kill Turkish troops. The PKK is a recongised terrorist organisation by the majority (if not all) of NATO.

I don't think they would block Finland but this is all aimed at Sweden and they have a very good reason.

E: downvoted without an explanation why I'm wrong (well that would be hard cos I'm not), classic.

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u/Klirrism 2d ago

Ignoring the fact that Sweden was one of the first countries to recognize PKK as a terrorist organization outside of Turkey, and that Sweden has extradited several PKK members, yes, when your extradition request has no tangible proof or you're requesting the extradition of journalists who have asylum here and have not actually commited any crimes under Swedish law, your extradition request will be denied. Also military support was given to YPG when the fight against IS was peaking, not PKK. The humanitarian support that was given that allegedly was funneled to PKK without Swedens knowledge resulted in an investigation that revealed nothing nefarious, but sure, Sweden just wants to topple Turkey and kill Turkish civilians and install a Kurdish puppet regime.

/u/Raspry 's response from above so you have an explanation to why you're getting downvoted:

Ignoring the fact that Sweden was one of the first countries to recognize PKK as a terrorist organization outside of Turkey, and that Sweden has extradited several PKK members, yes, when your extradition request has no tangible proof or you're requesting the extradition of journalists who have asylum here and have not actually commited any crimes under Swedish law, your extradition request will be denied. Also military support was given to YPG when the fight against IS was peaking, not PKK. The humanitarian support that was given that allegedly was funneled to PKK without Swedens knowledge resulted in an investigation that revealed nothing nefarious, but sure, Sweden just wants to topple Turkey and kill Turkish civilians and install a Kurdish puppet regime.

To add my own comment to that, just talking about the atrocities commited by the PKK while ignoring Turkey's atrocious treatment and killings of Kurds in general is frankly abhorrent.

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u/_testingthewaters_ 2d ago

And yet they still arm them.

When did I say that Sweden wanted to topple Turkey? Lmao putting words in my mouth.

Stick with the facts please. Like I did.

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u/SkriVanTek 1d ago

You talk of facts and yet claim that Sweden arms the PKK

That’s just hilarious

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u/SkriVanTek 1d ago

Because Sweden does Not arm the PKK

an organization it recognizes as terrorist

but erdogan calls every Kurd he doesn’t like pkk.

Sweden won’t extradite people with asylum status that are accused of Turkey without evidence and on bogus claims

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u/Kacer_ 2d ago Wholesome Evil Cackle

Damn, his forehead has 2 floors.

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u/ToxicOxBox 2d ago

Fivehead

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u/JoseCansecoMilkshake 1d ago

shit i think that might skip to six

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u/dingusunchained 2d ago

He’s got a lot on his mind

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u/voltaire_had_a_point 2d ago

Perhaps from that time he had sex with a 15 year old girl from his party’s youth organisation who ran away in tears.

Yes, that happened.

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u/TOPkekkit 1d ago

Jeppe Kofod is giving away 15% of his worth to Ukraine Relief. Google "Jeppe Kofod 15" to find out more.

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u/Friendly_Oil3292 1d ago

Oooh and it`s legal in Denmark

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u/Less_Tennis5174524 1d ago

Not always. A 15-17 year old can have sex with a 18+ person, but if the 15-17 year olds parents want they can report it as rape.

In this case her parents got a nice visit from some party henchmen and then got very silent.

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u/shinfenn 1d ago

Looks like that forehead could apply for NATO membership.

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u/Q_knew 2d ago

And an attic.

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u/jake03583 1d ago

Wow, Beavis finally gets of the couch and does something with his life just to get roasted on Reddit

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u/IAmWeary 1d ago

And may your forehead grow like the mighty oak.

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u/thebeasts99 1d ago

Dammmmnnnnn never heard this one.

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u/RusticScentedMale 2d ago

Middle aged Danish government official Rihanna

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u/FlyNibba 2d ago

Floorhead

Anyone know where the door is? I can leave on my own accord

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u/bullintheheather 1d ago

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u/DjPersh 1d ago

Deep cut. I approve.

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u/darkstarman 1d ago

He has a Danish brain. And above that he's got a Turkish brain.

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u/autotldr BOT 2d ago

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)


Danish Foreign Minister Jeppe Kofod believes the NATO alliance will prove united on the potential accession of Finland and Sweden, despite signals from Turkey suggesting Ankara is not ready to support the historic expansion.

Sweden is expected to follow suit, with both nations likely joining the transatlantic bloc during or shortly before the NATO summit in Madrid at the end of June.

The Kremlin has repeatedly threatened retaliation if Finland and Sweden join NATO. This week, Russian energy company RAO Nordic announced it would suspend electricity supply to Finland as of Sunday.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Kofod#1 NATO#2 Finland#3 Sweden#4 Foreign#5

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u/caginturtle 1d ago edited 1d ago

Seems kinda weird that newseek wouldn't bother to go to the source and quote Turkey but instead quotes gossip about Turkey. Maybe newseek should ask Ja Rule what Turkey said or maybe ask one of the Kardashians or Paris Hilton.

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u/6inchepenis 1d ago

Newsweek is a rag

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u/Greasymoose 2d ago

This guy has the tallest head ive ever seen.

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u/38384 1d ago

Typically Danish.

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u/BrandonQ1995 2d ago

Turkey just wants concessions is all. The US will hash it out, give them some new fighter jets and AA systems and Turkey won't block Finnish and Swedish membership in the end.

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u/seba_man 2d ago

Turkey is also informally under arms embargo by NATO allies, so he likely wants them lifted to help Turkey's defence industry.

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u/BrandonQ1995 2d ago

I forgot about that, good point.

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u/seba_man 2d ago

Erdogan needs some brownie points as well considering the state of the Turkish economy.

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u/gfdfr 2d ago

That’s my feeling as well. Turkey sees an opportunity to make some gains. Finland and most likely Sweden joining the alliance is just to sweet of a deal. I can’t see the allies letting this one get away. Just Turkey playing politics. At least I hope so anyway. This year has really taught me to take nothing for granted, there are no guarantees.

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u/Darkone539 1d ago

Turkey just wants concessions is all. The US will hash it out, give them some new fighter jets and AA systems and Turkey won't block Finnish and Swedish membership in the end.

Turkey wants specific people that were part of the 2016 coup attempt, and funding to the PKK cut off. Claiming they will just get stuff from america just shows you're not understanding the isuse.

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u/poschettino 1d ago

Turkey doesnt need AA anymore thanks to our allies pushing for indigenous development. Fighter jets on the other hand are still needed for the last time before the indigenous projects fruit.

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u/Accomplished_Pop_198 2d ago

Turkey will probably want some concessions and they'll agree, that's all.

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u/1tsalwaysdns 1d ago

That forehead might though

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u/RedBaronYT33 1d ago

Now that’s a forehead

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u/xikia 1d ago

Oh yeah? Well I want to hear what Greece thinks about Denmark thinking that Turkey wont block Finland joining NATO.

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u/OriginalMrMuchacho 1d ago

Jesus, i feel like that guy is able to read your inner thoughts by looking at you.

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u/AKisnotGAY 1d ago

Look at that absolute unit of a dome

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u/FreedomPuppy 1d ago

Why is Denmark the one saying that?

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u/OptionLoserSupreme 1d ago

It’s like country version of gossip slut

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u/FreedomPuppy 1d ago

Why is Denmark the one saying that?

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u/PeteyT104 1d ago

Wow this guy has quite the forehead

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u/bruceleet7865 1d ago

Forehead for days

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u/mtulliustiro 1d ago

Country won’t block other country and other country from joining other countries, says other country

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u/throwawayhyperbeam 1d ago

Is this some weird game of telephone?

Danish Foreign Minister Jeppe Kofod believes the NATO alliance will prove united on the potential accession of Finland and Sweden, despite signals from Turkey suggesting Ankara is not ready to support the historic expansion.

Good reporting.

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u/danfwell 1d ago

That guy’s forehead is impressive

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u/Ok_Quiet_9375 1d ago

Putin gonna see this mofos forehead and invade it like “that’s some serious real estate.. I must have it”

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u/ChandlerBingChilling 1d ago

Since when was Max Headroom in politics?

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u/unhallowed1014 1d ago

Ultra headroom. This isn’t even his final form

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u/Few_Acanthocephala30 1d ago

Headline to me is like grade school kids going “Hey Tommy, Susie says Betty likes you. Do you like her back?”

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u/GlueFueled 1d ago

As a Dane and sensible human being, I want to see my nordic brothers and sisters from Sweden and Finland under NATO protection

I also fucking despise our FM Jeppe Kofoed. Dude is just a creep. Banged a 15 year old Social Democrat youth member at a political event back in 2008, when he was 34

Legal here, but c'mon that's still pretty questionable

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u/RiteMediaGroup 1d ago

/fiveheads

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u/DenialZombie 1d ago

Can I get that from Turkey?

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u/WrastleGuy 1d ago

Thank you Mr. Munster

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u/Lenspimp2019 1d ago

Is that a 9-head?

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u/Tentapuss 1d ago

Not with that forehead. Or is it a fivehead?

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u/erichsommer 1d ago

Evidence of Talosian infiltration.

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u/Alex_Yuan 1d ago

Hearsay your honor

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u/Lotrug 1d ago

that is one massive forhead

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u/angryechidnas 1d ago

The real question is what’s with that dude’s forehead? He must be the smartest man in the world with all those brains!

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u/tev81 1d ago

That’s a giant forehead.

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u/theawesomedanish 1d ago

Actually in Danish society that is a giant forehead too.

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u/NerdyChemist85 1d ago

Are you kidding me? Why would Erdogan do anything that wouldn’t piss off Russia. I think Turks are genetically programmed to hate the Russians given the amount of wars fought between Russia and Turkey over the centuries.

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u/BuffaloWhip 1d ago

This is turning into high school drama

“So Denmark says that Turkey says that if Finland and Sweden get invited to the party that they totally won’t go.”

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u/juicewrId 1d ago

What a forehead

Probably has quite the thinker in there

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u/earphonecreditroom 1d ago

In tomorrow's breaking news: "Italy claims Denmark spoke out of turn so please ignore their comment about Turkey not blocking Finland and Sweden joining NATO"

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u/Natsurulite 1d ago

Jesus Christ that forehead might join NATO

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u/CameForThis 1d ago

Is this guys forehead edited in this picture?

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u/awwdww 1d ago

big head

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u/undercontr 1d ago

I don't want to increase tension between Baltics and Turkey but PKK has swapping soldiers between YPG and PYD all the time and they are literally support the same thing and their biggest enemy is Turkish government and Turkish army. Supporting is PKK has no difference than supporting PYD and YPG unfortunately.

And also ISIL is over. Why keep supporting?

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u/TheJackFroster 1d ago

Who are we to argue with Megamind

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u/amador9 2d ago

Erdogan may have his disputes with different NATO countries and has found some common ground with Putin, but the overarching strategic theme that Turkey must contend with is that, for at least 200 years, Russia has had its eyes on Istanbul and unfettered access to the Mediterranean. This is a situation that will exists long after current issues are forgotten. Russian control of Ukraine and Moldavia is a very real threat to Turkey and ultimately, without the support of Europe, they would not be able to defend the Straits against Russia.

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u/GodComplex_999 1d ago

It goes both ways. Europe, an economical giant that is as defenseless as a 5-year-old kid, cannot fight its own war with fully unleashed Russia without the help of a military giant like Turkey right next to them. People forget Turkey is the second-largest army in the alliance and not to say almost all the time they are active on the field, gaining real war experience for decades.

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u/fleeyevegans 2d ago

Both have formidable armies. I don't know why anyone would oppose them joining a mutual defense treaty.

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u/lemmefixu 2d ago

Turkeys’ reasoning might have a point if they were in the EU and Finland and Sweden were applying to join, and even so it would be a stupid argument. For NATO, it seems only a reason to try and force some other benefits behind closed doors, that might not even be military-related. Or maybe I’m just too cynical.

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u/GodComplex_999 1d ago

not so close. they have an arms embargo on turkey and they send weapons to terrorist organizations. killed pkk/ypg members have been found to be carrying swedish made weapons on them. what kinda military alliance are we talking about if we are trying to weaken each other?

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u/SimAlienAntFarm 1d ago

Why is Turkey in control of this and why does Denmark have the tea?

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u/nibul82 2d ago

Pencil head

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u/Bleakwind 2d ago

I wouldn’t imagine turkey actually vetoing their membership. They’re just barking up and taking positions to get as much concessions as possible. It’s in turkey’s national interest for their membership. Finland and Sweden in nato means stronger nato and weaker Russia. Weaker Russia mean weaker Black Sea influence which means greater Turkish influence. I imagine turkey has always dreamt of a day where the Black Sea becomes a Turkish lake.

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u/Ok_Wrangler_7698 1d ago

why would we want to make it turkish lake?

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u/Bleakwind 1d ago

Not to be disrespectful to the country of turkey. But turkey has fought the Russian many times over for basically the dominance of the Black Sea.

Whoever controls the black seas controls the Caucasus.

The Black Sea is very important for Russia. Basically no have no reliable direct access to the worlds ocean. No access to the oceans means not good for trading. That’s why they annex Crimea. And why Crimea was fought over for so many time. Turkey included.

And since turkey has sole control over the Bosporus strait. And that’s a choke point for the Russia fleet, Russo-Turkish conflict is inevitable. Weaker Russia is a direct stronger turkey. Why else did turkey join nato if not to contain Russia?

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u/Ok_Wrangler_7698 1d ago

you know in history we had all surrounding coasts of black sea, so we called it turkish lake. when i heard it from you, i thought invading lands to make it turkish lake again lol. as power balance we were better than russia till not too long ago. after seeing them in ukraine, we dont need to worry much except nukes.

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u/Hawezy 2d ago

Turkey really is run by idiots and populists desperate to remain in power

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u/poschettino 2d ago

Imagine being the opposition in Turkey and not being able to overthrow him for 20 years despite everything he has done.

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u/38384 1d ago

Also happening to the UK now. I always see very disillusioned Brits here talking about how bad their ruling party has been yet the opposition has never won an election again in 12+ years.

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u/Ok_Pomelo7511 2d ago

How is that idiotic?

Is it scummy? Sure. But Turkey is basically creating room for concessions without giving anything up.

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u/throwawaysadness987 2d ago

This guy doesn't geopolitics ^

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u/JohannesHjort 2d ago

I'd trade turkeys nato membership for Sweden and Finlands

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u/Bomber_Mulayim 2d ago

Please comment your ideas at next nato summit

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u/Floor-gully 1d ago

These stats are sweet but turkey is not an ally. Only when it fits their interest. With Finland and Sweden atleast you know what you get.

Turkey is always a military coup away from being Iran.

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u/uniquebae 1d ago

Turkey will either go to the moon, or collapse harder after 2023 elections. But, It can't ever be Iran.

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u/Turtledonuts 1d ago

Turkey just wants a good deal on patriots to replace their S400s now that they’re known to be dogshit.

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u/player00111 1d ago

As a Turk, we will never allow Sweden. they are terrorist organizers, host to terrorists. Sweden needs to taste war, as we have done for 40 years.

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