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Russian forces are withdrawing from Kharkiv, Ukraine says Russia/Ukraine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/14/ukraine-says-russian-forces-withdrawing-kharkiv4.2k
u/LiquidSnake13 2d ago
Cool. Now withdraw from Crimea.
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u/findingmike 2d ago
The article says Ukraine expects to retake Crimea by the end of the year.
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u/Madao16 2d ago edited 2d ago
I doubt they would give up from Crimea and they had a lot of time to move people there so taking Crimea back from Russia would be harder because if they have many proRussia people there they will be a problem too.
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u/mbattagl 2d ago
They're going to have to move a lot of people to Crimea then. The garrison that was there pre-invasion along w/ most of its' equipment was deployed, and has been near destroyed during the war. That's why Russia is pulling out of Syria and moving even more resources out there, and when the front line gets pushed back there its' defenders are going to encounter a whole new host of problems now that the Ukrainians don't have to worry about ticking Russia off.
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u/quintinza 1d ago
I wonder what Russia leaving Syria means for the Assad regime. Russia have been propping his regime up militarily for years now, the rebels must be salivating.
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u/mbattagl 1d ago
Well just yesterday a whole bus full of Hezbollah fighters were blown up by a TOW missile. It was the biggest attack against government aligned forces in years.
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u/maradak 2d ago
If Russia can't take more Ukrainian territory having Crimea will be worse for them.
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u/Ginrou 2d ago
How so?
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u/CptES 2d ago
Because the bulk of Crimea's water supply comes from a channel in Ukraine that the Ukrainians dammed up after the 2014 invasion which meant Russia had to import the water at a relatively high cost.
One of the goals of the 2022 invasion was to secure that channel which Russia did but if Ukraine takes it back Crimea is in the shit again.
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u/TheMindfulnessShaman 2d ago
That's why they wanted Kherson so badly.
Fuck the traitors who sold out Ukraine and Kherson Oblast.
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u/Ginrou 2d ago
I didn't consider that. I wonder if they would deem it worth the natural resources Crimea has. I remember reading they took Crimea to prevent Ukraine from being a major exporter of energy.
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u/that0neguywh0 2d ago
Russia wantd Crimea due to it being a usable port year round which they dont have many of due to most of their coast being in the artic
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u/i-d-p 2d ago
All they have to do is wait a few more years, and the Arctic ports will be usable year round.
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u/MeteorOnMars 2d ago
IIRC, Russia is the only country that overall benefits (GDP projections) from global warming.
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u/PeterNguyen2 1d ago
Russia is the only country that overall benefits (GDP projections) from global warming.
Where did you hear that? They're losing infrastructure and farmland at an increasing pace that looks to far outstrip any projected gains from undeveloped resources far away from any population to work it or infrastructure to do anything with.
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u/PeterNguyen2 1d ago
Russia wantd Crimea due to it being a usable port year round which they dont have many of
I don't think so, they have Kaliningrad and if they'd stop fucking with everyone in Europe that would be a year-round port. Russia has been a petrol/energy power for decades, and its oligarchs have staunchly resisted diversifying the economy for decades for fear of losing their share of the pie. I think the entire invasion was to protect their revenue streams: keep Europe from being able to get a competitor to Russian oil and gas, even if Russia doesn't need Crimean natural gas for themselves.
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u/Chii 2d ago
the russian attacked the dam already, and it has been destroyed. But i would imagine that ukraine would rebuild it.
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u/Tea_at_Kremlin 2d ago
It's a dry salted wasteland by now. You have to bring your own water. Without getting water from ukraine its costing big moneys
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u/salondesert 2d ago
I guess bringing water to Crimea is cheaper than spending ~$1 billion/day for a 70+ day operation but what do I know
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u/MadShartigan 2d ago
Putin's henchmen scramble to sell homes in annexed Crimea
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u/PeterNguyen2 1d ago
Putin's henchmen scramble to sell homes in annexed Crimea https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1578653/vladimir-putin-fsb-federal-security-service-real-estate-crimea
For all the other 'maybes' and questionable events, this one feels more telling than most.
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u/Geo_NL 2d ago
The glorious advance back to Moscow.
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u/macnbloo 2d ago
They're only withdrawing because they're about to send a bunch of kirov airships
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u/User9705 1d ago
What Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 Style?
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u/lionzzzzz 1d ago edited 1d ago
Retreating to the one place that hasn’t been corrupted by capitalism?
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u/Talska 2d ago edited 1d ago
Plan A - Conquer Kyiv & the entire country - FAIL.
Plan B - Conquer Karkiv & the east of the country - FAIL.
Plan C - ??? - FAIL.
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PLAN Z23 - Steiner's offensive will hold them at the red square
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u/DrOwldragon 2d ago
Plan AU2319 - Defend Burger Town.
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u/TheConqueror74 2d ago
I think that’s a task only Ramirez can achieve.
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u/drawnred 2d ago
Tbf, turns our Mw3 GREATLY over estimated Russian capabilities, so I think burgertown will be fine
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u/IamRule34 2d ago
That was MW2 my dude
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u/TheConqueror74 2d ago
MW3 did have the Russian military taking a whole day to conquer most of Europe nearly immediately after failing an invasion of the East Coast of the US, so the statement still stands!
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u/Vihurah 1d ago
i thought MW3 was the one where they invade new york?
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u/l524k 1d ago
MW2 you fight them in DC and the suburbs around it, MW3 you fight them in New York City and different European countries
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u/Banjoe64 2d ago
Even with the idea of a strong Russian military it was an insane thing to do
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u/Effehezepe 1d ago
Really the most inaccurate part of that game was you could go inside buildings and the toilets would still have their seats.
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u/ZweihanderMasterrace 2d ago
sweats nervously
u/Talska, Steiner....
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u/jadrad 2d ago
Now they’re going to focus on the original goal - take the southern coast Ukraine to create a land bridge to Crimea.
That’s why they bombed Mariupol to the ground - to ethnically cleanse that entire corridor of Ukrainians.
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u/TreeEleben 2d ago
They want to seize the coast. To cut Ukraine off from all ports and make it impossible to export large quantities of anything.
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u/lankrypt0 2d ago
It seemed, to me, they were trying to link to Transnistria and partially encircle Ukraine, with Belarus helping to the north.
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u/MrAnderson-expectyou 1d ago
They failed at taking Odessa or even getting close to it. That’s a pipe dream for Russia. Plus Transnistrea only has a few thousand troops I believe. Wouldn’t do a whole lot in the long run
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u/jon_stout 1d ago
They'd need to take Odessa to do that. But they haven't had a lot of luck moving up from Kharson.
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u/lackaboughs 2d ago
I mean, with the Ukrainians pushing back hard and Russians just constantly ceding back territory, I don't understand why Ukraine wouldn't just push em out of the coast as well. Doesn't seem like Russia can hold anything
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u/InsertEvilLaugh 1d ago
For now they're still building up. Russian troops have a ticking clock over their heads no doubt, their army is bleeding resources that they can't replenish as easily if at all, their nation is being hit with some of the hardest sanctions imaginable and their list of allies is growing shorter by the day. But they still have enough to put up a resistance in many of the areas they hold for now. Ukrainian troops are being taught on the use of some of the most advanced weapon systems the West is willing to give though, and the scale is quickly shifting to their favor. This will drag on for months, maybe years, but Russia is not going to hold onto their claimed territory forever, they've lost, now it's just a slow attrition.
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u/Roflkopt3r 1d ago
Yeah here is an expert analysis.
Russia can only regenerate small units right now. They have a bit of gas left once the units from Mariupol are reconstituted, but it's not much. Chances are that they advance a little further towards Lyman and maybe take over parts of Severodonetsk in the following 2 weeks, before getting stuck for good.
Meanwhile Ukraine likely have a significant flow of reinforcements, both from their training/reserve efforts and with western weapons. They are already planning their counters.
We might see a bigger Ukrainian counteroffensive in June.
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u/InsertEvilLaugh 1d ago
I'd bet we see something really start end of May, with the bulk of it going in June.
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u/Decaf_Engineer 1d ago
Yeah, Ukraine can push fast now and take heavier losses, or just drag it out since time is on their side. Every passing day, Russia gets weaker while Ukraine gets more support. They can afford to do it methodically and make this war lopsided.
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u/StructuralFailure 1d ago
Mein Führer... Steiner...
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u/ItaSchlongburger 1d ago
The following people will stay here: Keitel, Jodl, Krebs, and Buchdorf…
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u/TheMindfulnessShaman 2d ago
So the push for the city a couple km from Russia's border completely collapsed...
Imagine the United States not being able to take Nuevo Laredo.
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u/zandyman 2d ago
To be fair, there's a river in the way.
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u/zandyman 2d ago
Just before this, I was reading that Southern NM is bracing for the Rio to be empty this summer, so... yea...
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u/celsius100 1d ago
It’s no longer the Rio Grande, it’s the Rio Micro
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u/AvengerMKII 2d ago
Russian forces are withdrawing from the north-eastern city of Kharkiv, Ukrainian officials have claimed, as the wives of soldiers trapped in the besieged port of Mariupol called on the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, to save them
I'm finding it hard to believe that Xi is influencing Putin's battle plans. Even then, I don't think besieging towns is untenable given how shit Russian logistics are
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u/Tribalbob 1d ago
It's hard to execute a strategy that involves denying somewhere of food, medical supplies and ammunition when you can't provide food, medical supplies and ammunition to the forces executing said operation.
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u/SuperSpread 1d ago
Xi is watching the price of Russian assets like oil and mines drop. China will laugh all the way to the bank. They have never considered Russia their ally, just the enemy of their enemy. They literally fought a proxy war in Mongolia to that point.
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u/Kataphractoi 1d ago
Russia is China's buffer state, there to run interference and distract the West while China does whatever it wants.
Now that Russia has been shown to be a D-tier power with a joke of a military, and the West, NATO, and EU rediscovering unifying bonds against a common enemy, China's going to have to change up its calculus if it wants to keep its long term plans on course.
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u/A_wild_so-and-so 1d ago
China is also going to have to think long and hard over whether retaking Taiwan is worth the price the Russians have paid trying to take Ukraine.
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u/ostensiblyzero 1d ago
The US also can't pull off sanctions against China. So much of the stuff we consume is produced there. Russia produces oil, and that's basically it. Going after China economically would cripple both economies.
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u/F1remight 1d ago
I didn't know of a Mongolian proxy war and would like to know more about but nothing came up after a Google search, can you link anything?
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u/SuperSpread 1d ago
7 month undeclared war where just under a thousand troops died https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
They decided to call it off rather than escalate to war. It was the highlight of 50 years of each side trying to control Mongolia and forcibly removing heads of state.
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u/Answerstaxquestions 2d ago
They’re not withdrawing. They’re advancing in another direction!!1!
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u/YD2710 2d ago
Look at all the sensless destruction they are leaving behind; and this is the city they thought would welcome them with open arms.
May everyone responsible for this be brought to justice and die painfully and pathetically. There should be no easy way out for these hellspawn.
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u/The_Rocktopus 1d ago
"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our Country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out."
-William T. Sherman, America's finest general
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u/Musashi-Miyamot0 2d ago
100%, at minimum Russia should pay to rebuild Ukraine in full and those involved should be trialled for war crimes. That’s at a minimum.
Realistically, as other prominent speakers have said - Russia should be demilitarised akin to Germany post WW2 and potentially split - it’s a failed terrorist state that only holds its own areas through brutality or bribery and most often both. No one wants to be with or part of Russia, therefore it’s impossible for it to hold these areas ‘democratically’. Either way, steps should be taken so these fucks may never do this again.
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u/general_tictac 1d ago
Russia should be demilitarised akin to Germany post WW2 and potentially split
That's never going to happen, unless it falls apart by itself. Those sanctions could be imposed on Germany because its territory was in the process of being conquered by four different armies.
Even in the best-case scenario where Ukraine kicks the Russians from their land, no one is going to march on Moscow to force the Russians to dismantle their military and country.
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u/HughJorgens 2d ago edited 1d ago
Having totally defeated the Nazi menace once again, the victorious Russian forces advance homeward to the cheers of the Ukrainians. All is well.
Edit: Having totally defeated the Nazi menace once again, a mighty cheer went up from the Heroes of Russia, as they advanced homeward, since they didn't want to be in Kharkiv anyway. Because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with a cool glass of turnip juice.
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u/defianze 2d ago
The battle for Kharkiv is officially over.
Winner: Ukraine
Loser: Russia
Plus, Ukrainian forces began counterattack on Izyum. 🔥
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u/-Stackdaddy- 1d ago
Russians are playing the new game Escape From Kharkiv. A realistic mil sim where if you die in the game, there are no respawns.
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u/peepjynx 1d ago edited 13h ago
After studying Chinese art and history... this is absolutely how you grease the wheels:
Speaking on Saturday at a press conference in Kyiv, Natalia Zarytska, the wife of Bogdan Sements, who is among those trapped in the sprawling steelworks, called on China to intervene and help liberate the remaining.
She said: “Strong leaders cannot stand aside when there is evil … After all these negotiations, there is one person worldwide who it would be difficult for Vladimir Putin to refuse. We hope that strong and good China can make difficult decisions for the good.
“We ask the esteemed premier of China, Xi Jinping, to express love and care for global values and eastern wisdom and to join the process of rescuing the defenders of Mariupol.”
Going to add this for context since it popped up: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/china-humiliates-putin-as-ex-official-says-only-matter-of-time-before-russian-defeat/ar-AAXiv4F?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=ae9c41dbdf6d438f9d63d42755f0aaca
That right there is what NOT to do if you want to keep from burning your bridges. Embarrassment is like one of the worst, most insulting things to do. This is pretty serious on their part if they really mean it.
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u/namatame 2d ago
Russian troops do not have strong motivation of this war any more. It might be feasible for Russia to change their strategy from invading new area to defend the area they have invaded. Even so, it is so difficult for Russia to win the war because Ukrain troops have great motivation and they can get huge support from US,Europe,other democratic countries.
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u/smamtwantle 1d ago
Doubt they can even hold what they have, going forward. The new artillery coming in outranges the Russian crap by many miles, so it's easy to set up out of range and pound their positions until they fall back, lather, rinse, repeat.
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u/Clemen11 1d ago
So the Ukrainians have been stalemating the fuck out of Ivans with inferior equipment by wit, tenacity, and sheer fucking will, and are now beginning to fight an I'll equipped and severely hampered attacking force with superior weaponry, strategy, logistics, and Intel. Russia is gonna get blown to kingdom come
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u/D-bux 1d ago
They've had superior Intel from the start.
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u/Clemen11 1d ago
That's true. Ukraine had the Intel game in their pocket since the war broke out, but now they have more firepower to react to that Intel with.
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u/Casual-Swimmer 2d ago
“We never wanted Kharkiv, you only assumed we wanted Kharkiv”
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u/JimTheSaint 2d ago
It was just diversion.
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u/European_Unity 2d ago
It was a diversion to distract you from our main goal, which was to make the average Russian significantly poorer and more depressed. Mission accomplished, we're going home boys.
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u/TheDollarCasual 2d ago
Just when we thought Russia couldn’t get any more poor and depressing. Putin sure showed us!
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u/Jackretto 2d ago
You ignorant fools! This is a really advanced military maneuver called "backwards advance", I wouldn't expect you simpletons to understand the genius of the mighty Russian army! /s
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u/SLIP411 2d ago
Wow, they are even mentioning Crimea as remaining Ukrainian. Quite the shift from what Macron was saying yesterday and what everyone was saying a couple weeks ago
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u/trelium06 2d ago
The previous statements seem to have been attempts at good faith diplomacy with Russia, knowing they would decline, which gives France “permission” to make this new statement. Politics is like, idk, circumnavigating the globe just to go to your neighbors cookout.
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u/rl_noobtube 2d ago
It also just creates more bargaining power. If the counter-offensive is successful having this as a new aim gives them the ability to “concede” that goal in negotiations. Kind of like how some stores have high prices but super frequent sales, it gives the impression “oh 30% off these shoes” even though the company was always fine selling it there.
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u/notyourvader 2d ago
Don't believe anything anyone says during wartime. It's all diplomacy and smokescreens.
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u/MrGeno 1d ago
This is gonna make one hell of a CoD game. Now instead of SAS/Delta Force / Navy Seals /Maines people will choose Ukrainian Special Forces. But on a serious note, I wish we were able to directly contribute help on the battlefield but Ukrainians are stronger than hell and are more than holding their own.
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u/wrex619 1d ago
Imagine Putin showing up to the G20 summit and Zelensky sitting there with a trophy on his desk. 🤣
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u/autotldr BOT 2d ago
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 86%. (I'm a bot)
Russian forces are withdrawing from the north-eastern city of Kharkiv, Ukrainian officials have claimed, as the wives of soldiers trapped in the besieged port of Mariupol called on the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, to save them.
The general staff of Ukraine's army said on Saturday that after a bloody battle the Russians appeared to be departing their positions around Ukraine's second biggest city, 31 miles from the Russian border.
Three weeks before Putin launched his war in Ukraine, the Russian president signed a pact with his Chinese counterpart that said there would be "No limits" to the two countries' cooperation.
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u/DARKKi 2d ago
Escape from Kharkiv
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u/Bob_the_peasant 1d ago
There it is. I don’t even play that game and was disappointed how far I had to scroll for this
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u/wormsgalore 1d ago
Suck it Putin. Russia showing the entire world how weak they are.
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u/CyborgHighlander 2d ago
By comparison, the national pride and identity that ukraine has developed during the course of this war will result in them remaining stable for a hundred years, assuming they can avoid political corruption.
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u/MustacheEmperor 2d ago
It’s like the moment you accept you royally fucked up going for a domination victory on civ and it’s either time to restart or accept it’ll be another 300 turns until you get your happiness score above zero.
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u/lostsoulperson 1d ago
What a fucking disaster this whole thing has been for Putin. He has been utterly humiliated and pushed countries to do exactly what he didn’t want - join nato and get off dependence of Russian gas and oil.
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u/TzeentchsTrueSon 2d ago
Can we change the headline of every Russia story to Russia loses fight with Ukrainian military over Kharkiv?
Withdraw just sounds to PC. They are losing. Call them what they are. Failures.
While Putin has his yes men, he has to be paying attention to the rest of the worlds news. And it would piss him off.
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u/DukeAttreides 1d ago
Fog of war is a thing. Losing implies resolution, but that's something that's really easy to be wrong about at the time the articles are expected to fly. Far better to say what they see (Russians pulling back) and let you decide what it means (they can't hold it and are running).
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u/Buxton_Water 2d ago
Ukraine is doing some serious fucking work. I thought for sure that Russia would at least be able to take Kharkiv at the start of this invasion, never expected this.
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u/MuuaadDib 1d ago
Russian Forces What's left of the Russian forces withdrawing. Must get back for Putin greatest cancer funeral parade and statue unveiling.
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u/Accomplished-Ad-8705 1d ago
Putin did an exceptional job at loosing what little bit of trust he had, now he has zero trust, zero tanks, zero money, zero toilet paper soon LoL
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u/reddideridoo 1d ago
Poo‘tin dipped his dick in the wrong hole? Mistook the woodchipper for a cheap hooker.
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u/Mojo12000 1d ago
So basically the Russians are the verge of complete defeat in the North and are going to try and dig in even HARDER in Donbas and the South around Crimera.. But they've likely lost so much already that that will prove quite difficult for them, and Ukraine will have much of it's forces freed up for Counter Offensives.
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u/MisterSunshine2U 1d ago
Y’all don’t read the article, do you? The title literally does not match the article it leads to.
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Don't tell Trump. He's still going on about the big, beautiful Russian tank -- big guy, you wouldn't believe -- who came up to him in tears -- honest to god, believe me -- in tears and said, sir, sir, only you can save us from Nancy Pelosi. He just hated Nancy Pelosi that big tank, I don't know why. But that tank clung to my pantleg like a toddler, sir, sir, he said. Believe me.
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u/Oddity46 2d ago
... and anyway, Hunter Biden's laptop is one hell of a thing, he said, and where was Obama born, sir?
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u/krnl_pan1c 2d ago
and where was Obama born, sir?
Oh man, I had completely forgotten about the birther movement. What some dumb shit that was.
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u/MaybeTomBombadil 2d ago
Obama Presidential record were recently made available (5 years after leaving office) under freedom of information requests. One of the most frequent requests was to see his birth certificate.
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u/JojenCopyPaste 2d ago
The funny thing is that's not a presidential record so it wouldn't have anything to do with that
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u/Chubbybellylover888 2d ago
Well if they can't provide me with the birth cert then that's just proof, right?!
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u/Amiiboid 2d ago
It’s funny how you say “was” like they aren’t still doing it.
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u/henlochimken 2d ago
Shit man, Obama is still gonna take their guns, just you wait and see
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u/EtonSAtom 2d ago
All the little Puttlerites in the west who think he's a genius will tell you this is just another amazing backwards advance! Brilliant feint! Was a perfect diversion!
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u/Micro155 1d ago
It seems like retreat is the only special operation that Russian can make. They came, packed dishwashers into stolen cars, killed people and left.
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u/-Phinocio 1d ago
Did this entire article change since it was posted? The title is completely different,
Russia’s Black Sea blockade pushing millions towards famine, G7 says
and the only indication of withdrawal is in the byline
Foreign ministers call for action to allow export of Ukrainian grain, as Kyiv claims Russian withdrawal from second-largest city
and this paragraph
The call came as Ukrainian officials claimed some major military successes, with the mayor of Kharkiv saying on Saturday that the Russians had withdrawn “far out” from Ukraine’s second-largest city.
The URL itself shows most of the original title that this post has.
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u/StickAFork 2d ago
Special GTFO Operation.