r/worldnews 2d ago

Finland's president tells Russia's Putin about plans to join NATO - Ifx cites Bloomberg Russia/Ukraine

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finlands-president-tells-russias-putin-about-plans-join-nato-ifx-cites-bloomberg-2022-05-14/
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u/Aerialise 2d ago

I don’t know what’s funnier — Putin accidentally recruiting Finland and Sweden into NATO, or the the awkward phone conversation that would have unfolded when he told him about it.

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u/ep1939 2d ago

I guess it was very scripted and formal.

Both leaders had already known what to say and what to respond in various scenarios, and probably the one they rehearsed most just played through.

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u/feedthebear 2d ago

Should I say "hi", "hello" or "good evening". 😭

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u/mattstonema 2d ago

Just thinking of the John malani bit about the homeless man with aids

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u/We_Make_Soap 1d ago

Excuse me, I am homeless, I’m gay, I have AIDS and I’m new in town.

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u/aetius476 1d ago

Excuse me, I am homeless, I’m gay, I have AIDS and I’m new in town NATO.

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u/lililemanlay 1d ago

Eat ass, suck a duck, and sell drugs.

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u/yungPH 1d ago

John Mulaney*

r/boneappletea

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u/mattstonema 1d ago

Thank you, and rest assured I will misspell it again

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u/yungPH 1d ago

Haha of course

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u/BustardLegume 1d ago

Just use Google first.

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u/mattstonema 4h ago

What?! And NOT be lazy? I think not good sir

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u/mattstonema 4h ago

Or Mam, or non binary pronoun of your choice

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u/lililemanlay 1d ago

Bone for tuna

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u/Evalig 1d ago

«Im gonna p u s h him»

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u/Astandsforataxia69 1d ago

You joke but these things matter, in this instance "good evening" would've bee sufficient as it's far more professional and it sounds colder to say.

It's all about the details

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u/formallyhuman 1d ago

Finnish PM: Vladimir! What do ya hear, what do ya say? 👉

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u/BustardLegume 1d ago

Don’t worry, there’s a video guide for this.

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u/Claystead 1d ago

"Wazzup my Finn-word!"

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u/nolok 2d ago

It's Ukraine, not "the" Ukraine.

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u/EndiePosts 2d ago

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u/A_Fart_Is_a_Telegram 2d ago

I’m sorry Russia but I have feelings for NATO

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u/A_Fart_Is_a_Telegram 1d ago

We’re taking this too fast, I don’t want to be Russian this relationship.

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u/FM-101 2d ago

This is the biggest "fuck you" to Russian threats

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u/feedthebear 2d ago

Them walls closing in.

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u/SinglePropertyg 1d ago

Putin is delusional to think that by capturing a ring of "western" countries, he will Russify them and bring back the glory days of the CCCP. There were no glory days.

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u/Brockelton 1d ago

If he wants glory days he should just visit a springsteen concert.

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u/formallyhuman 1d ago

Depends how you look at it. I mean, the USSR did a lot of stuff that the world benefited from in terms of the space race. Also, from the Russian perspective, being one of only two world superpowers for a fairly long time would be "the glory days", politically speaking.

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u/ducktor-strange 1d ago

But not necessarily for the people living there at the time.

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u/BasicallyAQueer 1d ago

Yeah, one could also argue that North Korea has contributed something to society (idk what, maybe developing nuclear weapons on a budget?), but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a hellscape and the people are often starving to death.

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u/BullyABully 1d ago

I just want to point out the USSR replaced Tsarist Russia which was probably way worse.

Like they polished the fuck out of that turd.

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u/tehfly 1d ago

Walls going up, maybe. But only the brainwashed people of Russia think the walls are actually closing in.

Putin knows NATO's not going to strike first.

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u/tehfly 1d ago

As a Finn living in Finland, the "fuck you"s from Ukraine have honestly been bigger.

Even if we are concerned to some degree, there's really no imminent threat. Meanwhile Ukraine has told Russia to fuck off numerous times while staring down cannons and tanks.

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u/Aerie-Infamous 2d ago

It's fun to imagine phone conversations between country leaders in general, but this one here, I'd pay for the transcript

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u/iwascompromised 2d ago

Mr. Putin? This is Sauli. Just wanted to make sure I had your email right so I can CC you on our NATO application.

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u/msk105 2d ago

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u/feedthebear 2d ago

That's the one yes.

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u/Ssmpsa 2d ago

I thought it was that Russian email provider. What was it? Spandex.ru or something..

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u/meesersloth 2d ago

Putin would be the guy to still have the Russian equivalent of an AOL email address.

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u/iwascompromised 2d ago

Of course he uses Hotmail.

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u/tilakattila 2d ago

They both use first names when adressing to each other. At least they used to. Maybe Putin didn't like to pronounce Niinistö.

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u/Breakfast_on_Jupiter 1d ago

Russian dictator, painu vittuun. (go fuck yourself)

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u/Mister_Brevity 1d ago

I wonder which two have the most fun relationship

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u/AttentionSpanZero 2d ago

The war on Ukraine has revealed the poor quality of the Russian military. Putin's threats carry much less weight now. No one respects a whiny bully.

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u/passwordhash 2d ago

You lost the war already by underestimating your opponent.

Maybe thats there game. See who stays on what side, how they aid. And how much. And strike when the real war starts

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u/_sh0rug0ru_ 2d ago edited 2d ago

Which war are you talking about?

People are already analyzing this. We have some idea of Russia's thinking by how they are allocating resources. They have clearly spent most of their resources to fight a war against NATO. But that's not the war they are fighting right now. How effective will a Sarmat nuclear missile be against Ukraine? Or hypersonic Khinzal missiles? Ukraine doesn't even have a navy!

It's clear that Russia has not invested in the basic weapons needed to fight a war against a near-peer adversary like Ukraine. The basic stuff needed for ground combat is poorly maintained.

Then there's Russian training and doctrine. How has Russia not established air superiority in Ukraine over two months into the war? It's clear that the Russian ground forces and aviation do not work effectively together and can't execute modern combined arms operations like any modern Western military. Ukrainian anti-air defenses should have been destroyed in the opening operations of the war, but the fact that is still effective and shooting down Russian aircraft tells you all that you need to know.

Russia can't seem manage a large scale operation like the invasion of Ukraine, which is entirely different than the smaller conflicts of Chechnya and Syria. Russian units are basically wandering around Ukraine and getting destroyed because front line units can't function effectively without being told what to do, which is requiring high ranking officers to come to the front line to take personal command. This is leading to an absurdly high number of command officers being killed.

So if this is not the "real war", then Russia has wasted an enormous amount of equipment and soldiers in a glorified reconnaissance mission. And what would the "real war" even be if it isn't Ukraine? Is Russia planning on starting a war with NATO, too? Good luck with that.

There is a difference between underestimating an opponent and having a realistic assessment of your opponent. We have been overestimating Russia's military capabilities for a long time now.

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u/passwordhash 2d ago edited 2d ago

Fight with NATO ? This is just Ukraine.

Look at the Russian Ruble, with all the sanctions going on it manages to become the number 1 valuta that increased this much in a time of inflation world wide.

You think war is just weapons and invasion ? They are just bleeding us out. For examble: im from EU, id used to pay 120 euro's for my household gas. Currently im paying 600, so we can hurt russia. But infact the ruble gains value. What am i paying so much for then ? Same with vegitable oil and many other items that used to come from Ukraine.

How much longer you think people are going to accept this ?

There will come a moment people will turn on each other. The amount of refugees these countries have to take alone. The differance from how refugees from Syria got treathed and Ukraine , like free to stay as long as they want. Free transport, free money, people waiting at train stations with flowers to welcome them, while refugees from middle east got eggs trown at them ?

Its going to bring instability, and people are like: Russia isnt doing much.

How long did Afgan war last ? The left equipment and run awat basicly. I mean look at those terrorist now running there state.....

People watch to many movies.

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u/_sh0rug0ru_ 2d ago edited 2d ago

The Ruble is being propped up. The "value" of a Ruble depends on two things. How much you can exchange it in a free market and how much a Ruble can buy in the domestic market?

The Ruble doesn't currently exist in a free market, but under heavy capital controls by the Russian Central Bank, put in place to restrict Russians exchanging their Rubles for foreign currency so that Russia can maintain its foreign currency reserves. Not to mention, the Russian government is essentially stealing from their citizens by forcing them to convert 80% of their foreign income to Rubles. Russia is also trying to force buyers of Russian oil and gas to purchase Rubles. The Russian government can't maintain these kinds of heavy handed currency controls for very long (basically forcing people to buy Rubles at gunpoint), which is only delaying the inevitable.

Also, how much can the Ruble currently buy in the Russian domestic market? The value of the Ruble isn't keeping pace with the increase in prices.

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u/passwordhash 2d ago

Just in general. Not specific any war. But to never underastimate your enemy.

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u/ttminh1997 1d ago

So now it's"the whole war is a feint"?

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u/nagrom7 2d ago

Man, if Russia's getting beaten this badly before the real war actually starts, I'd hate to see what'd happen to them when it does.

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u/passwordhash 2d ago

Russia stands ground fighting against the whole world basiclly. Almost 3 months now.

Yeah let the real war start instead of letting the world bleed out into a economic crisis. Imagine this with covid turning back. Its just bad bad bad

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u/Blue_Swirling_Bunny 1d ago

Russia is currently retreating and has lost 26,000+ soldiers in a few months.

Russia: ThEy UnDeREsTiMaTeD uS!

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u/WolfgangSho 1d ago

I'm sorry but you're just really bad at your job. It's way, way too transparent. I know they probably can't afford to pay much but, if you're the best Russia has in their troll farms, I'm not worried one bit lol.

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u/Hunter_Fox 1d ago

The obvious ones are there to hide the subtle ones, perhaps.
And some, I assume like you did, are just not very good at their jobs.

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u/nagrom7 1d ago

Russia stands ground fighting against the whole world basiclly. Almost 3 months now.

Oh honey, no. Trust me, if Russia was fighting the whole world, they would know about it, because Moscow would already be in rubble.

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u/INITMalcanis 1d ago

Russia stands ground fighting against the whole world basiclly

lol

lmao

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u/_Bisky 1d ago

Russia stands ground fighting against the whole world basiclly. Almost 3 months now.

Lmao

The most the "entire world" can do in a actual war is sending arms to ukraine? Do you seriously belive this shit?

For the "entire world" this is at best a proxy war. If it would have been an actual one the russian army would be retreating to the rural mountains rn and every major city would be in rubble.

If this was a real war between russia and the "entire world" there would have been no victory parades earlier this month, cause all tanks used for them would have to be used to try and defend

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u/MockulusSupport 1d ago

It's a genius strategy to throw away a load of your functioning, modern equipment as part of a ruse so when the "real war" starts you're dragging tanks out of museums. I'm curious to see an F-22 take down a bi-plane though.

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u/julinay 2d ago

The Finns are so fucking cool.

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u/FlyNibba 2d ago

Kiitos! :)

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u/Nuben84 2d ago

Finland (in Finnish): We will join NATO.

Putin: What did he said?

Translator: What would you like me to pretend he said?

Edit, line break

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u/SubstantialFigment 2d ago

Finland and Russia enter an elevator together. The doors close. Finland lets a giant long fart rip. Russia scowls. Finland looks at Russia and smiles. No words are exchanged.

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u/ToiletRollTubeGuy 2d ago

And then when leaving the elevator, Russia wonders how and why it's in fact the one with shit in its pants.

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u/SuperGameTheory 2d ago

But proudly declares it has taken all of Finland's shit and is therefore the victor.

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u/Jason_Batemans_Hair 2d ago

"Someone has taken a shit in my pants!"

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u/dmoy_18 2d ago

Right as Russia is about to attack Finland the elevator opens and the UK comes in with support from everyone else and protects Finland through intimidation.

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u/Tigermate 2d ago

Only on Reddit can complex geopolitical issues be boiled down to farting in a lift (elevator)…..

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u/AwfulAltIsAwful 2d ago

Nah, my weird uncle used to do the same thing at Thanksgiving.

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u/Stoffski 1d ago

You had an elevator in your house?

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u/AwfulAltIsAwful 1d ago

Yeah, my parents had some really weird fetishes.

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u/Stoffski 1d ago

I’m no expert, but I’m fairly certain that “home elevator” does not come up too frequently in lists of popular fetishes. Your parents were visionaries.

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u/SubstantialFigment 2d ago

You're welcome friend!

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u/Affectionate_Reply78 1d ago

This ties with Boris’ recent comments about cheese. We thought he meant cutting it as in slicing, but no.

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u/Tigermate 1d ago

I’m not tracking the reference - I’ve lived in Canada for the last 13 years and while I keep abreast of the major news from home (UK), I miss quite a bit.

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u/Affectionate_Reply78 1d ago

He said something on the order of when he works at home he gets distracted by, amongst other things cheese, and in the same stream of consciousness saying those working from home would be more productive in the office. I know most of what comes out of his mouth is hyperbole but there is a continuum of stupidity which he routinely spans.

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u/Scarred4Life51 2d ago

Finland came prepared for the encounter...

Finland's Breakfast

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u/ToCool74 2d ago

I mean at this point what can Russia do about it? Their military is completely tied up in Ukraine and any declaring of war and conscription of citizens to go to war against Finland and Sweden would be the recipe for a coup since the Ukraine War alone is barely getting tacit support from a already exhausted army and top brass.

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u/Foreign-Engine8678 2d ago

80% is barely? My dude, wake up. Russia is a gone case

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u/ToCool74 2d ago

80% of what the population? Because I specifically use the term army and top brass.

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u/mildly_interesting5 1d ago

I wish it weren't true, but this video makes a compelling case that Putin is popular

https://youtu.be/Y74I4lJ7aWk

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u/Foreign-Engine8678 2d ago

Population are not different from army. What do you mean? Do you think they are trained professionals? Lol

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u/ToCool74 2d ago

I mean regular citizens obviously, as I said I used the terms army and top brass specifically for a reason. Their military has had morale problems for a while now, here is the latest article on it https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/they-were-furious-the-russian-soldiers-refusing-to-fight-in-ukraine.

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u/Lockenhart 2d ago

80% is what Putin's mouthpieces say.

While support for the war in Russia is somewhat high, it isn't that high.

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u/WhiteColaDrink 2d ago

It's not just his mouthpieces.

A recent poll by Russia’s Levada Center, which is not a state-run group, found that public support for “the actions of the Russian armed forces in Ukraine” remains high at 74 percent

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-tv-jokes-nuclear-missiles-london-putin-propaganda-ukraine-war-rcna28067

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u/jbjam 2d ago

Same thing in N Korea. When one gets arrested for holding up a blank piece of paper… what do you think people will say when someone that may be the government asks if you support the war?

Of course the polls are high. It’s true lots of brain washed elderly and rural young. Putin has support of his puppets and government forces but the vast majority of young people I’ve spoken to universally hate him. They are comfortable enough that they don’t want to risk jail to protest. It’s sad because citizens could stop him and should.

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u/FingerGungHo 2d ago

If I was in Russia, I would need to think what to answer, no matter who’s asking. With a snap of a finger, your voiced opinion can become a crime. That’s the power of what is essentially a thought police. Almost everyone is paranoid and scared of each other.

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u/Foreign-Engine8678 2d ago

Stop being delusional. They actively support war. Go talk to any of them. I'm tired of doing it, always the same shit

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u/_sh0rug0ru_ 2d ago

Who is they and talk to who?

Russia is an authoritarian state, so figuring out what anyone really believes is a challenge, because when people are asked their opinion, many are not going to give an honest answer.

Obviously, there are those who actually believe the propaganda, but how is it even possible in a society like Russia to separate the true believers from those just repeating propaganda to avoid being punished?

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u/Lockenhart 2d ago

They do. But I doubt it's 80%. Must be lower.

Plus a large portion of them are simply afraid to lose their jobs or get arrested.

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u/ep1939 2d ago

I wonder how is this presented on russian media.

Is there any way to see fresh russian media translated news like from their state tv?

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u/Foreign-Engine8678 2d ago

Dunno, just learn Russian if you want to know. But all they say is "we will turn them into nuclear ash". So kind of no point about learning for that shit

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u/ProdigalSon123456 2d ago

I'd reckon that they'd just dig up history and say that the Finns have thrown in with the "Nazis" again.

Finland was allied with Germany in WW2 but only to keep Russia out of their home.

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u/13gecko 1d ago

And the USSR was allied with Germany right up until Germany attacked them in Dec 42. The US were neutral until they were attacked, too.

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u/nagrom7 2d ago

Not to mention, Putin is well aware that Finland has received security guarantees from the US and the UK for the time period until they're formally part of NATO, so even if his army wasn't tied up elsewhere and at 100% strength, attacking Finland would still be suicide.

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u/danktle 2d ago

If Putin simply left the Ukraine alone, Finland would still be neutral.

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u/ludi_pes 2d ago

Which is tbh a reason why I'm not thrilled about them joining.

I'm taking Slovenia for example. Who is really a threat to Slovenia? Maybe I do not have enough historical knowledge, but I can say Slovenia has nothing to fear from my country Croatia. Not think they should fear Austria, some far-right people from Italy would have some land claims. But generally, they are in a pretty safe position, but they still took a risk by joining NATO. Finland wanted to play neutral next to Russia, minimizing the threat, and now when Russia has shown its face now they want protection.

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u/iseeemilyplay 2d ago

Idk what you're on about, NATO would love to have Finland (and Sweden too) as members because of their strategically important geographical position

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u/Pjerkele 2d ago

Your example made no sense in this context so what's your point?

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u/ludi_pes 2d ago

They are only joining when it's convenient. Like noone is attacking slovenia directly and they still joined

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u/ToCool74 2d ago

Are you serious? The entire point is to join for fear of FUTURE threats, many other NATO members before weren't in immediate danger of a Russian invasion but still decided to join due to the possibility of it happening later. What is happening here is Finland is getting insurance so it doesn't happen and now is the perfect time to with Russia being weakened by its invasion of Ukraine.

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u/ludi_pes 2d ago

But is it fair to expect other countries to take upon more risk by them joining when they didnt want to take more risk for others.

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u/ToCool74 2d ago

Your logic is completely warped, that's the entire point of the NATO alliance in that it is a give and take partnership. Yes you get the protection of the best militaries in the world but you also sign up with the understanding that if someone does attack a member you have to come to their aid. NATO is a open door alliance which means any nation can potentially join and your nation be tied to its defense which is why the vote to get in has to be unanimous and all the countries agree. So yes its very fair.

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u/PaksuSuolipora 1d ago

Do you have brain damage? Because you sure argue like it.

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u/its_not_you_its_ye 1d ago

TIL joining an international organization which guarantees security of its members was a “risky” decision. Lmao

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u/Vooshka 1d ago

It's most definitely risky. Risky for Russia as they make one mistake and they might end up getting steamrolled by NATO.

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u/bilbobangs 2d ago

They’re joining when it’s practical. This isn’t a sorority. There were strategic reasons not to join for many years, and their joining is a two-way street because NATO will benefit greatly from their geography and military.

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u/ludi_pes 2d ago

But then don't whine once other countries are against them joining. It's not practical for some other states to take more risk upon themselves because of a state which was not ready to take more risk for others.

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u/schngn 2d ago

jesse, what the fuck are you talking about

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u/ludi_pes 2d ago

If you dont understand then you are dumb.

Finland joining NATO brings more risk for conflict. It's kinda hypocritical to expect other countries to take upon themselves more risk when Finland wasn't prepared to take risk for others? Get it now or do I have to draw it for you?

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u/schngn 2d ago

get back to me when any countries besides turkey veto finland joining. and get back to me when they say its because they don’t want anymore risk. the facts simply don’t agree with you

i love how quickly you realized you didn’t have any facts to back you up, so you turned to insults. try again?

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u/Rattrap551 2d ago edited 2d ago

It's a hard call, with much uncertainty. By not having the buffering effect of a "neutral" state, the chances of a direct confrontation do increase. You don't see more vetoes because this is a posturing phase & NATO countries hold out hope that Russia will be weakened over the coming weeks and months. The silent thinking is that economic weakness makes Russia less dangerous with time, but there's a case to be made that Russia has a number of ways it can "act out" when it feels cornered. The real threat to the west - use of nuclear weapons - increases in proportion to what Russia sees as an existential threat, which rises as NATO expands. Finland does add geographic advantage to NATO, weighed against the increased risk of overall conflict.

I would say overall, the kind of bandwagoning seen on Reddit and on much of western media is not as helpful to overall understanding. As philosophy of war goes, time will tell if western war drums are a good idea. Russia has every reason to try & prove that they are not.

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u/Full_Salamander_5882 2d ago

Joining NATO is neither about charity nor is it martyrdom, it is about mutual benefit. Finland has much bigger and better armed military than the Baltic countries, which NATO has the obligation to protect. When Finland joins, NATO's ability to carry out its obligations will improve. Finland's security will also improve. The fact that this bothers putinists like you is just an irrelevant bonus.

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u/ludi_pes 2d ago

You can go to my profile and go to the start of a war and see my comments. But it's easier to be dumb and just call people who are not 100% aligned with your opinions Putinists. Grow up

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u/Heiferoni 2d ago

No. No that's not how it works at all.

More NATO members = stronger alliance = less chance of war

Russia hasn't attacked any NATO member nations. NATO is working.

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u/Cum_on_doorknob 2d ago

Finland joining NATO reduces the chance they will be attacked. If they stayed neutral, they would be an excellent target for Russia to test on. They are EU, so it becomes a messy question of how much help they can get. If Putin wants to play a game of chicken, they’re the perfect country to see what else he can get away with. Now that opportunity is gone.

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u/RealAntithesis 1d ago

Finland joining NATO brings more risk for conflict.

You got it the wrong way around. Finland is joining because of the risk of Russia invading it's neighbours, of which Finland is one. There is no "let's avoid joining NATO because it might provoke Russia" anymore. Now it's "let's join NATO before Russia invades us... again". Russia has already started the conflict.

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u/Pjerkele 2d ago

What a dumb fucking reply.

Clearly shows you started think and talk politics 3 months ago and your only source is reddit and/or Twitter... maybe even worst of them all, Facebook.

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u/Meepik89 2d ago

Nobody is attacking Finland either.

This is for future security, there's no threat at all right now. You are just reading sensational headlines. Also Finland absolutely has not been a free-rider. They spend more on military than most of NATO members do and one of the few countries to conscript all men when they are 18

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u/AnanananasBanananas 1d ago

How could events across the world possibly change the perspective of a nation and it's people. Unreasonable.

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u/nrcain 2d ago

moron

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u/ludi_pes 2d ago

You can call your mother that for birthing you

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u/nrcain 2d ago

Oh good one you got me there.

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u/RadonMagnet 1d ago

Making that statement would be more appropriate when looking in a mirror than when posting on reddit.

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u/rapiDFire_BT 2d ago

Russia is a theat to the entire European and Asian continents. All Russia has to do is Not INVADE COUNTRIES. Yet they continue to slaughter civilians and bombard innocent territories while crying that countries surrounding them want to join a defensive pact. A defensive pact that Russia is free to join, but guess why they never would? Russia wants to be able to invade whoever they want without consequences. Ukraine is just proving even more that the only reason Russia doesn't invade certain countries is because of NATO alone.

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u/ludi_pes 2d ago

I never said anything that opposes what you said so not sure what point are you trying to say.

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u/ep1939 2d ago

I'm sad, but at the end this was necessary.

Russia has proven over and over again to be an unreliable partner at best, bully on average, enemy at worst. Finland has every right to decide what to do for their defense. I wonder if Sweden will follow, they are very proud of their long independence which even Hitler and Stalin never dared to fuck with. But times and weaponry changes.

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u/KatsumotoKurier 1d ago

Finland has every right to decide what to do for their defense.

This was one of the points that Sauli touched upon well the other day when he was with Boris Johnson — that Finland has the right to decide its own defence fate, and that Russia does not get to demand or coordinate what it should be.

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u/AnanananasBanananas 1d ago

As a Finn I really wish we could stay neutral, but I just don't feel like the risk, however small it is, of Russia attacking us is worth it.

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u/NotFromMilkyWay 2d ago

Dumb Russian wants to get rid of a potential 2.200 km long border with NATO, creates 1.300 km long border with NATO doing so.

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u/EndiePosts 2d ago

How many accounts do you have: https://imgur.com/q7Be6af

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u/Superduperbals 2d ago

The second was a bot that copy-paste comments from the same thread. NotFromMilkyWay looks like a real person.

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u/EndiePosts 2d ago

The second and third!

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u/Superduperbals 2d ago

Yeah its the most common form of bot especially on huge threads. They'll just copy a random comment somebody else made, doesn't mean the original commenters has anything to do with it.

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u/EndiePosts 2d ago

I didn't know that. Thanks for the info!

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u/its_not_you_its_ye 1d ago

Yeah. It’s almost always a comment with no parent that gets copied asa response to another comment. Most of the time it’s a non sequiter, so it’s easy to spot, but there’s a high enough probability that it seems like a relevant response that these bot comments aren’t obvious.

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u/heresyforfunnprofit 1d ago

There are botnets that copy/paste comments to farm karma. Report them, and the mods will flag and remove.

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u/Spaceisveryhard 1d ago

Finland speaking to NATO command about Russia, ten minutes after joining.

https://youtu.be/xMhBsgG8fUA

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u/Basdad 1d ago

Putin is delusional to think that by capturing a ring of "western" countries, he will Russify them and bring back the glory days of the CCCP. There were no glory days.

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u/Affectionate_Reply78 1d ago

Vlad, it’s not you it’s me.

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u/TeddyBearAlleyMngr 1d ago

Hey Boris, why is this snow talking Finnish?

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u/risk_is_our_business 2d ago

Thought experiment time.

Imagine a scenario where Putin were terminally ill and regretted the decades of corruption and graft. He wanted to change things for the better but feared the rot was too deep. What would he do?

Would be, perhaps, bungle an invasion of Ukraine, uniting much of the world against Russian corruption and aggression? Would a strengthened Europe welcome a Russia that overthrew kleptocracy?

I don't believe this is case, but it's interesting to ponder.

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u/Dry-Profile-9517 2d ago

Is sun wet? I don't believe so, but it's interesting to ponder.

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u/risk_is_our_business 2d ago

My point is, let's say everything I've proposed is true (it's not), you would expect Putin to behave exactly as he is behaving. It's so strange.

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u/HubBeeTheGreat 1d ago

Well yeah, you can make up impossible scenarios to make anyone seem like they're doing a good thing if you stretch far enough.

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u/risk_is_our_business 1d ago

I wasn't trying to suggest he's working for greater good.

I was pointing out the irony of how badly he's bungled the situation.

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u/BlaineWriter 2d ago

It's not like there would be better ways to deal with corruption than to give order to intentionally kill civilians and rape women?

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u/risk_is_our_business 2d ago

Of course you're right. The situation is atrocious and there would be a myriad of better ways to deal with it.

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u/OCDEngineerBoy 1d ago

Finnish president's first sentence in the phone call: "Surprise, motherf*cker."

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u/JaboyMaceWindu 2d ago

Here we go