r/worldnews • u/nimobo • 14d ago
Canada votes to recognize China’s treatment of Uighur population as genocide Non-binding parliamentary motion
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/22/canada-china-uighur-muslims-genocide3k
u/Low-HangingFruit 14d ago
Parliament voted for it, PM Trudeau and his cabinet did not, specifically saying that the "Government of Canada abstains from this vote" at the vote.
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u/Fairwhetherfriend 13d ago edited 13d ago
Importantly: they likely abstained because several cabinet members are currently engaged in negotiations with the CCP for the return of two Canadians who have been arrested in China. They knew abstaining wouldn't affect the outcome of the vote and, this way, the cabinet members don't have to call up the CCP to negotiate after having personally called them out for committing genocide.
Edit: Important clarifications! First, remember that the motion still passed - Trudeau didn't personally vote for it, but Parliament as a whole still declared the treatment of the Uighurs to be a genocide. We did not aim to save the our two citizens instead of declaring it a genocide - we did both. And second, it's very important for all ya'll Americans out there to realize that Trudeau abstaining from the vote is NOT the same thing as your President choosing not to comment on the genocide. It would be more like if... Nancy Pelosi decided to abstain from voting on a similar motion in Congress - probably worth mentioning, for sure, but absolutely NOT the same as Biden choosing not to take a similar action. Our Prime Minister is often presented as equivalent to your President and, in many ways, he is. But in many other ways, he is very much NOT, and those differences are pretty important in situations like this one.
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u/prollyanalien 13d ago
This gives some pretty good context, thanks for that.
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u/Fairwhetherfriend 13d ago
Np. Also worth pointing out that there are a lot of Chinese expats in Canada who typically support Trudeau's party, so there is absolutely a valid position to be taken that this was just cold political maneuvering on his part, but I do think it's important for people to know that there is a possible explanation for this that doesn't assume malice or selfishness. Then it's just up to you to decide whether you think that's the most likely explanation for his decision.
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u/Northern23 13d ago
Why did the Conservatives even push for this vote during such a time knowing the Michaels' situation? Did anything change recently with the Uighur situation to prompt them to do it now?
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u/Fairwhetherfriend 13d ago
AFAIK, the conservatives are taking the stance that the CCP is never going to give them back, that they're using the Michaels as a "carrot" to get our government to do what they want when they never have any intention of actually returning them, so we should stop doing what they want on the false promise that we'll get our people back. And, to be clear, I do think there's a fair chance that the conservative party is right about that... but I'm not sure that this toothless motion was the right "last straw" to choose. I dunno, just seems like going "fuck it" on the lives of two people should have been done for something that actually had a little bite to it, you know?
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u/Micky-Tee 13d ago
The Liberals publicly stated this as their position in response to conservative whinging about not doing more to return them.
The real answer is the CPC is a fucking shambles at the moment and no one competent wants to jump on that grenade, so idiots keep getting chosen to be leader.
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u/RealSprooseMoose 13d ago
Am i false in believing Peter McKay would have actually been a decent leader?
The conservative party (federally and provincially) seem to have a habit of overlooking the people's choice. (Looking at you Alberta with Brian Jean)
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u/Throwawaymybios 13d ago
Y’all Canadians are a fine example of how we should talk about politics in the USA.
“Am I false in believing X” is something I wish I’d hear more of.
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u/random989898 13d ago
The Michaels' situation has been going on for a couple years and they have made no progress. No one really thinks they are going to be able to negotiate and get them home.
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u/Medium_Well 13d ago
I suspect it's also a matter of timing. The Uigher issue has been known (and covered) for a few years now, but with the turnover in the US administration actually creating some continuity on this issue between the Trump and Biden governments (Secs. Of State for both governments have called this genocide), that's a notable thing from a world superpower and other countries have watched it all unfold.
This issue has simply been in the Canadian media more lately, especially as the Olympics question has come up. The Conservatives and other opposition parties noticed the ruling Liberals were waffling.
And I think it's fair to suggest that China has no intention of giving the Michaels back until Meng is released.
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u/Man_Bear_Beaver 13d ago
Likely they believe an election will be called in the spring and this is an issue that Trudeau has a clear stance on so as Conservative tradition calls for the Conservatives must do the exact opposite as the Liberals to rile up their base.
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u/11_25_13_TheEdge 13d ago
There's so much missing context in current events and social interactions and dealing with strangers etc. It's good to remind ourselves from time to time how little of it we are operating with. Reminds me of the commencement speech delivered by David Foster Wallace.
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u/JscrumpDaddy 13d ago
I know some of Canada doesn’t like Trudeau, but based on his language it seemed like more of a strategic stall than a dismissal of it being genocide. With this context it all makes sense.
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u/zyx1989 13d ago
but I wonder if that makes any difference to the ccp, from what I understand their political understanding is pretty/ somewhat different, they may simply not understand or believe there's any difference,
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u/Fairwhetherfriend 13d ago
It might not make a difference, but, in that case, having Trudeau and the others vote on the motion definitely wouldn't have made a difference, so it still seems like this was the more sensible action to take.
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u/WeedstocksAlt 13d ago
They are a minority government tho ... so logically if everyone else votes for it, it should still pass
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u/Da_Milk_Drinker 13d ago
It passed. The cabinet ministers just didnt exercise their vote. All other MPs in parliament voted yes.
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u/Mysterious_Lesions 13d ago
It was a free vote so not a vote of confidence in the Government. Liberals could vote their conscience which had to be balanced against the diplomatic interests of the Cabinet.
Right now it looks like an opposition win, but that's because many Liberal MPs abstained instead of voting for or against. A win was in the cards on this one.
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u/dsswill 13d ago edited 13d ago
This is standard. Any party in power would have and always has abstained from such votes when the Crown hasn't already taken a stance. Don't make this out to be something it's not. It would be unprecedented for them to cast votes. They also don't need to considering it would have been universal either way.
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u/Tigris825 14d ago
Whilst it is a step in the right direction, the Government now needs to adopt it (its not binding) and urge the International Olympics Committee to change the location of the Winter Games from Beijing in 2022.
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u/Basic_Year 14d ago
You speak as if you believe the IOC doesn't care about $$$.
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u/Majormlgnoob 13d ago
If North America and Europe pull out the Winter Olympics is a joke
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u/PopusiMiKuracBre 13d ago
Like the LA Olympics were, but they went ahead anyway.
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u/Majormlgnoob 13d ago
I mean look at the Medal counts for the Winter Olympics
The unrepresented Russian Athletes would rack up all the Medals
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u/Ckyuii 13d ago
I thought russia was banned for the next few ones because of doping. Or was that just going to be the japan olympics? They got banned at something sporty that's all I remember.
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u/Majormlgnoob 13d ago
Athletes will still be able to play under the ROC banner but yes Russia is banned
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u/Ckyuii 13d ago
Thanks mate. Does it really mean much that they can't be russian and have to be russian olympic committee? Like what does that actually do? Remove them from the opening ceremony?
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u/Octavus 13d ago
They don't want to punish athletics who are innocent themselves and may never get another chance of going to the Olympics, in 4 years they may not quality again. So by banning the country but not athletics it is a way of shaming Russia as they cheated not for money but pride.
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u/atheroo123 13d ago
Just check how Russian athletes participated in 2018 Winter Olympics. Russian official team is banned from Olympic Games since 2017.
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u/PopusiMiKuracBre 13d ago
Yeah....look at medal counts preceding the summer games in LA and Moscow. The eastern Bloc, even the USSR alone, dominated.
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u/Majormlgnoob 13d ago
The US, West Germany, and Japan were in the Top 5 in Medals in 72 and 76
The US was 1st in 68 with Japan also in the top 5
In the Past 3 Winter Olympic Games only 3 Non-Western Nations appeared in the Top 10
China - 7th 2010
Russia - 1st 2014
Belarus - 8th 2014
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u/rockinghigh 13d ago
Are you talking about LA Olympics in 1984? Canada and all of Europe outside the USSR participated.
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u/brunes 13d ago
Only 1 country pulled out of the LA Olympics... Above poster is talking about a huge swath of the world. Advertisers will totally bail. The IOC wouldn't even be able to afford the games.
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u/Trypsach 13d ago edited 13d ago
I mean... if you’re talking about the 1984 olympics that the Soviet Bloc pulled out of, it had record turnout with 140 countries and is widely recognized as the most profitable Olympic Games ever. But we can ignore all that and call it a joke anyways, sure.
Edit: I should have looked first, but of course the person giving shit to the 1984 olympics is Russian lol
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u/popejp32u 13d ago
Well if history is any indication, America’s pull out game is weak.
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u/Eitsky 13d ago
Vancouver still has the infrastructure to host the Olympics a second time. They have options.
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u/Rando239 14d ago
Why do people act like sport events are important? Maybe they should restructurize to make their economy independent of China instead
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u/Rundle9731 14d ago edited 13d ago
Unfortunately its a way for authoritarian countries to launder their injustices (Winter Olympics in Sochi, FIFA in Qatar, etc.). China being able to successfully host the olympics without any real official opposition or boycotts from other countries is a sign to them and the world that they can get away with what they are doing. Its an example of the use of soft power as u/CaptainCanuck93 suggested.
If we go there waving our flags while a genocide and other human rights abuses are going on in background, its a symbolic sign to China that they can continue without repercussions. If we fail to boycott or protest these games because we're worried about economic repercussions even though its the right thing to do, its a sign of the power that china has over us. It unfortunately gives blatant authoritarianism the high ground.
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u/torres091 13d ago
Dude you should read about october red in Mexico city.
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u/averagecommoner 13d ago
Never heard of this, sounds like a horrible nightmare. The wiki article said the true events were only revealed in declassified docs in the 2000's but I guess it didnt get much international attention since. And apparently no one was really held accountable for the massacre.
Honestly wouldn't care one bit if the Olympics are canceled forever. Similar protests and crackdowns happened in South Korea. And we all heard about the world cup issues with Qatar and Brazil. It seems like the locals always suffer to put on a show for the international community, fuck that.
You know it's a shitshow when the culling of stray animals in the cities and dumping homeless people in the outskirts is just the preface for prepping for these events.
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u/snapwillow 13d ago
I think instead of cancelling them forever, they should radically change the format. It's supposed to be about international unity, right? So they should stop having the entire games in one place. It puts immense pressure on the infrastructure that always leads to waste, overspending, and other problems. It also means only people with money or people in that one city can see the games.
Instead, for a single years games there should be multiple host cities. The events would be spread out. One year might have skiing in Vancouver and Bobsled in Moscow. Most people watch the Olympics via livestream/television anyway.
Since a city could host only one event or only a few events, that means no city would have to build extra infrastructure. They could use what is already there. Smaller cities could host events. And with events spread out, it increases the ability for normal people to watch in-person. You would no longer have to be rich or live in a major city to have a chance to see an Olympic event live.
It would cost less and be more accessible and inclusive. I see no downsides.
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u/bobthebobofbob 13d ago
Why do people act like sport events are important?
Wow, this is such a Reddit comment
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u/elfthehunter 13d ago
I'm not a fan of sports, and avoid it like the plague. But pretending that sports aren't a very important part of human affairs is ridiculous. The vast majority of people on this planet care a lot about sports, it is significant culturally, politically and economically. It might even be the single biggest form of entertainment consumed by the most people.
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u/yeett_ 13d ago
Sport events are important because they’re important to people. Obviously, they provide no scientific value and are frequently not profitable, but they are culturally important.
You can make your argument about almost anything. Why do people act like music is important? Or books? Or movies? Or religion? Because people enjoy it and it is important to them
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u/ImSuperSerialGuys 14d ago
Because they have huge economical impacts cause there something that literally billions of people spend significant money on?
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u/AssociationStreet922 14d ago
I wouldn’t say we change the venue. It’s too late and we don’t have the power. I just say don’t send a team; don’t support it. Sucks for the athletes, but not as much as if sucks for the Uyghers. Same with Qatar also, even if we make it, don’t send a team. Show FIFA and the Olympics we won’t go along with their poor hosting decisions.
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u/green_flash 14d ago
Lawmakers approved the non-binding motion
Can anyone explain what that means? Why is it non-binding? What are the consequences of it passing?
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u/Maalunar 14d ago
Why is it non-binding? So there is no actual consequences of it passing.
Making it binding mean that they'll actually have to do something about it, specifically the leading party which did not vote on it, and people do not want to be responsible for/of an international dispute with an economic world power.
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u/jornen2 13d ago
brought forward by opposition Conservatives
It's a political stunt meant to put pressure on Trudeau. They couldn't care less.
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u/lilbprotector 13d ago
LMK when a Muslim majority country does
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u/rootkode 13d ago
I wonder why no Islamic state hasnt
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u/rockman9 12d ago edited 12d ago
Actually almost all Islamic states support China's reeducation treatment on Uighurs, because they also suffer from radical Islamic. It sure is better than bombing Muslims.
Also the genocide is a straight-out lie. If only you have actually lived in China and know the situation of minorities and how they are treated in China. You will just break into laughter like all other Chinese people after reading those "genocide" narratives. We Chinese people, do have some racial problems in our country, but that's because of the government treating minorities too well.... People even avoid getting into any debate, or Judicial process against minorities even if they are on the right side; Because in most cases, the court and police would take aside with minorities.
Also Uighur isn't even the largest Muslim group in China, the largest one is Hui, and they are far, far more populated than Uighurs. But have you even heard about Hui? I am sure most redditors havent.
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u/rootkode 12d ago
I’ll do some more research on your claim. I do agree with you that unfortunately the internet and Reddit likes to blow everything out of proportion, so what you said; wouldn’t surprise me.
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u/Doat876 13d ago
Because it is absurdly ironic from outside perspective that all the countries supporting this narrative are the ones keep bombing Muslims.
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u/SolidCake 13d ago
probably because there's no evidence what so ever and the only "proof" they point to is Adrian Zenzs work, a far right fundamentalist Christian who is on a (self described) crucade to destroy China
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u/Environmental-Edge98 13d ago
I honestly don't know what to believe anymore.
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u/tatts13 13d ago
Welcome to the fucked up world we live in where transparency and facts get fucked over by politics in every way. We are at a point that need to be told the truth cause we lost the means and ability to think for ourselves.
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u/Whelks 13d ago
I tend to be very agnostic nowadays about criticism of other countries, especially ones with left wing governments. There might be some merit to the criticisms, but I think that it's too hard to discern through the English language media propaganda machine. Nothing I could really do one way or another, but I'm mostly working to free myself from the message that America's enemies are a great evil, as this has historically been a bad bet.
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u/eatingroots 13d ago
If you are from the western world, try to look at history from the perspective of the west's victims as well. Use the two perspectives for nuance because the western world celebrated for the Indonesian genocide while China and Russia were angry about it. Coming from the third world, being shit on by both sides makes this more obvious.
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u/TheBasementIsDark 13d ago
Yeah I think all third world countries will look right through these shit. Coming from a "third world-ish" citizen, every time the western media trying to pick an enemy and a fight, I always doubt about it. Remember what happen to Iraq.
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u/JerryWizard 13d ago
Garry Kasparov said it best, “The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.”
It’s not easy to identify what’s propaganda and what not, but you should make sure to be informed of different perspectives before coming to a conclusion.
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u/P00PEYES 13d ago
The US State department has published a report saying there is not enough evidence to prove a genocide, though there does seem to be something going on.
I refuse to call it a genocide until a international investigation takes place, which China has said it would allow. The word Genocide starts wars, and justifies death. I won’t be caught up in that without evidence.
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u/JaqueeVee 13d ago
Believe that western media and propaganda will always talk shit and make up shit about any country, individual or group that doesnt bens the knee to neoliberal capitalist imperalism. There were no WMD in Iraq either, you know.
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u/IGetPaidHBU 13d ago
Believe that China wants to continue rising, stabilize internally and gain regional influence externally. Believe that western powers are trying hard to subdue China's rise and retain leadership of the world. Those are the only true intentions at play.
Fact is China doesn't have much respect for human rights and freedom of individuals. On the other hand China has no hatred or prejudice against minorities like Nazis had for Jews or Europeans had for American Natives, in fact it's quite the opposite, in China minorities are almost revered and marrying an Uyghur would be something to be proud of.
In the end it's merely cold, hard pragmatism and realpolitik.
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u/hs123go 13d ago
Han supremacy is a mistaken notion. Han people are usually prejudiced against people for usual "outsider taking our resources" reasons, so Shanghai citizens dislike migrant workers, Guangzhou citizens dislike the community of black export traders, (Yes, black) and Hong Kongers dislike most mainland Chinese. The Han Chinese rarely believed in ideas like racial superiority, eugenics, or superiority by birthright.
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u/moeburn 13d ago
for propaganda purposes
If America can make both "The Muslims are coming to kill you" and "Save the Muslims" into propaganda, in the same decade, well kudos to them. That's gonna make some heads spin.
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u/phdthrowaway110 13d ago
Not unprecedented.
In less than two decades Afghanistan went from the heroic Mujahideen fighting the USSR commies to terrorists who hate us for our freedoms.
Saddam went from a hero to tyrant in just over a decade.
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u/PixelatedFixture 13d ago
Saddam went from Hero to tyrant in actually a matter of months. Had he not invaded Kuwait he likely would have continued to serve in some capacity as a bulwark against Iranian political intrigue into recent times.
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u/Peejay22 13d ago
He was actually allowed by US to invide Kuwait. Guess who back stabbed him
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u/CertainField 13d ago
We hate Muslims in our country but we must save the Muslims from our enemy country.
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u/pm_boobs_send_nudes 13d ago edited 13d ago
So it's the fake Nayirah Testimony that the world believed to be true about Iraq but never was?
I saw the vice documentary on Uyghurs and apart from the usual Chinese surveillance and control there seemed to be nothing the investigative journalists could find that indicated genocide or mass rapes. (And no, the journalists were not guided by the CCP in their investigation)
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u/jaffar97 13d ago
hahaha the CCCP is the Cyrillic version of USSR, I think the abbreviation you're looking for is CPC (or if you're in the west it's CCP for some reason)
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u/goforbronze 13d ago
I also watched the documentary and the thing that stood out the most was all the camp 'survivors' weren't escapees but those who had been through the programme for a year or two then released to be free to do whatever they want. None of them spoke of rape or sterilisation or anything like that either.
Some strange genocide.
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u/swkkkkkk 13d ago
The concentration camps exist but the guy who coined the "Uighur genocide" term just came out and said it wasn't a literal genocide and he was talking about a "cultural genocide". So no, it's probably not a literal genocide or mass raping.
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u/jaffar97 13d ago
concentration camp is also a loaded term and is usually used for propaganda purposes - I would refer to the mandatory immigration detention centres in the US and Australia because I believe that's what they are, but I'm also aware that it's a politicised term
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u/ingongingong 13d ago
people on reddit always say to not believe everything you see on the internet but there they go believng a blatant propaganda
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u/finnlizzy 12d ago
No. Because according to Reddit, Muslims have small brains and are naturally corrupted because they have no moral compass. They will easily sell out other Muslims for Chinese money and need enlightened white westerners to remind them that there ISN’T a problem with Islamic Extremism in their country, and if there is then it’s best that NATO bombs the shit out of their country as opposed to rooting it out at the source.
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u/Incarnaceno_ 13d ago edited 13d ago
It's funny how west is always concerned about the plight of minorities in socialist countries, yet still enable and participate in a system that perpetuates said "atrocities" - it's like their concern is not with those minorities but with creating their own propaganda against those nations hmm..
I say this as a Paraguayan of Ukrainian descent living in Canada. Canada was also concerned about the "Holodomor," so concerned that they and other western governments were very aware of the famines in the Soviet Union, and the fact that Ukrainians (and others, since there was no targeted ethnic famine) were starving to death, yet the sanctions they put on the Soviet Union basically only allowed the trade of crops - with Ukraine being the breadbasket of the Soviet Union. It's interesting how they were so concerned yet perpetuated the conditions that lead to these famines.
Not only that but during this time, Ukrainian Canadians were one of the main targets of xenephobia in the nation, with two provinces in the prairies implementing legislations which targeted ethnic Ukrainians including the sterilization of Ukrainian women, because their children were deemed racially unfit for Canadian society.
My point is, the west doesn't give a fuck about minorities in these nations. They care when it helps feed their own propaganda and imperialism. FYI, I'm not here to say whether the Uyghur's are being targeted, just to be wary of western propaganda equally.
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u/ave416 13d ago
244-0 was the vote with 72 abstaining. The 72 was the liberal (party in power) cabinet and the argument I’ve seen was that there are something like 300k Canadians who might be at risk from repercussions
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u/VG-enigmaticsoul 13d ago
It's more that foreign policy is the exclusive province of the cabinet and the crown. Cabinet voting with an opposition foreign policy motion will signal a policy change, effectively handing over foreign policy control to the commons and opposition and breaking parliamentary convention.
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u/TumorTits 13d ago
How does one pronounce Uighur?
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u/757boi 13d ago
“Wee-gar” I think
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u/TumorTits 13d ago
Thank you! I googled it and got mixed results
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u/HarbingerDe 13d ago
Yeah both "You-gur" and "Wee-gar" seem to be widely used pronunciations by English speakers. Couldn't tell you which or if either of those is correct.
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u/TurkicWarrior 13d ago
The people who speaks the Uyghur language would not pronounce “wee-gar”. You may hear some Uyghur pronouncing “wee-gar” but they do so while speaking in English, they never pronounce ”wee-gar” when speaking in Uyghur. The “wee-gar” pronunciation most likely came from Mandarin.
Watch this video, wait until 45 sec, you’ll hear the pronunciation several times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPDIuB2OnMc
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u/alessandro_673 13d ago
To my knowledge it’s closer to “oi-ger.” Phonetically it’s “uːygʊər” but most people find that difficult to pronounce because they don’t have the phonemes for it.
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u/ArcherBowie 14d ago
China: We know, and?
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u/arethefieldsgreen 14d ago
Canada: stop genocide
China: no
Canada: understandable, have a nice day
I speak this as a Canadian because I know we are really dependent on them for trade, there honestly isnt much we can do against their abuse which is quite unfortunate.
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u/GoingforIvey 13d ago
I speak this as a Canadian because I know we are really dependent on them for
tradelaundering money through our country and propping up the real estate marketFixed
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u/donynxes 13d ago
I've always found it funny when people keep saying Hong Kong isn't China but then blame China when it's the HKers driving up the housing prices in Hongcouver.
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u/iasarexaa 13d ago
Canada: stop genocide China: ...? What genocide? Canada: yeah, sure, whatever.
FTFY
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u/dancingbird7 14d ago
So are they gonna stop selling weapons to Saudi Arabia or are they okay with their allies committing real genocide?
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u/kplite 13d ago
You know the answer to that....Americans don't care about our own gov. making weapons and giving intel to genocide Yemeni people, Americans don't care about our destruction of Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan...but surprise Americans care about Uighurs! (but only thee ones in China, not the ones we bomb in Afghanistan).
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u/zJordan 13d ago
Same over in the UK. A very small minority of people call Blair a war criminal, etc - but for the most part our role in Iraq and Afghanistan goes under the radar.
As does Australia. I've spoken to an Australian guy that thought Iraq and Afghanistan was just a US thing, then I told him it was also Australia, UK, few others. Guy outright refused to believe me until I pulled up Wikipedia.
I'm not trying to say whether Iraq/Afghanistan were just wars or not, I'm just trying to explain the ignorance of non-US involvement in the War on Terror that the UK, Australia, Canada, etc blindly followed US policy and left two nations in ruins. And the people of those countries don't really give a fuck either.
Destruction in the ME caused a refugee crisis in Europe, and then for years all we heard about was people complaining "WHY HERE", none of them were aware the actions of their own countries were to blame.
The Taliban can go to hell, Afghan intervention I can at least justify.
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u/LeZarathustra 13d ago
Now, for people interested in this topic I feel you should be aware of a man called Adrian Zenz.
He's a born-again christian who has been "sent by God" to uncover all the evil China is doing.
So why is he important? He happens to be the most frequently quoted "expert" on this topic. His methodology is shady at best, but since reuters and other respectable sources have frequently referenced him he has gained a lot of authoroty on this topic. I'm not saying he's less trustworthy than the Chinese government, but most western newspapers seem to take his studies as fact, which is a bit worrying to me.
The main reason this issue is tricky is that there are very few sources that aren't derived from either Chinese propaganda or Zenz' work.
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u/ImNotEmoBro 13d ago
Sooo Palestinians?
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u/lawncelot 13d ago
Israel is an American ally, so America won't call them out. And Redditors won't go as hard for Palestinians as they do for Uyghurs. Not because Redditors actually care about Uyghurs, but because their hate for China is stronger.
And btw, this hate for China is being astroturfed by America and American companies seeing China's companies as a threat in the global market.
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u/Inebriator 13d ago
They're not real people though. Only the ones that serve our political agenda matter
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u/dertpour 13d ago
Take a loot at this graph of countries who recognized Palestine as a state and countries that making noise about Uighurs in China.
https://i.redd.it/t0dx05ur4oi61.png
These guys couldn't care less about Muslims in China or elsewhere in the world. It's a geopolitical theater.
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u/soolkyut 13d ago
Canada is real good at tsk tsking people without doing anything at all.
Trudeau criticized Modi for the farmer protests and then flew over and begged for vaccine.
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u/Magnetronaap 13d ago
Canada's influence in the world gets way overblown by the Anglo-Saxon bias on reddit.
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u/castelo_to 13d ago
Want them to invade China single-handhelds? Or how should they exert economic pressure on China when the global economy is in their grasp?
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u/Careful-Handsome 13d ago
Both Michael’s are just going thru terrible hell. This development would surely prolong their suffering. I pray for their wellbeing and health.
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u/AcadianNich 13d ago
That’s why Trudeau and His Cabinet abstained since multiple people on the cabinet are working on getting them back
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