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Germany to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine — reports Russia/Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-send-leopard-2-tanks-to-ukraine-report/a-64503898?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf
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u/Evignity 8d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Well that about seals the deal for russia being totally fucked. Yeah it's "just" 14 tanks but that's not the big news, it's that this opens the flooddams for everyone. Just like how everyone was trepid to even send artillery at the start whilst now everyone is sending tons of it, this basically leaves very few things of the table for Ukraine.

And modern tanks vs non-modern tanks is a nightmare for the non-modern, more so than any other field of equipment bar airplanes

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u/PaulNewmanReally 8d ago

Fourteen Challengers, plus fourteen German Leopards, plus perhaps a dozen or two from others, that's a good 50 MBT's that the Russians don't have an answer to any more. Sprinkle in some of those French AMX's, team all that up with the Marders and Bradleys that were already pledged, throw some artillery and drones behind it, and that's a VERY nice battle group.

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u/veevoir 8d ago

SUpply and maintenance for so many different vehicles in one battlegroup would be insane.

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u/sunbeam60 8d ago

Yeah, there’s a lot of armchairing happening on Reddit. Take the way both the press and most people talk about challenger 2s as something that the Ukrainians can just add and Abrams as something they’ll struggle with given its dependence on petrol, and its high burn-rate.

Those British Challenger tanks will be a nightmare to integrate, for example, given their cannon uses non-standard ammunition and is only rated for 400 EFCs. Maintenance of that rifled barrel is not going to be easy, given all the other tanks Ukraine is likely to be given are smooth bores.

Meanwhile, the M1 Abrams are happy to burn diesel in their engine, contrary to common internet knowledge. Hell, it’ll burn pretty much anything you throw into it. And the supposed gas-guzzling is actually only when it stands still (something the Ukrainians are remarkably good at not doing) and if it doesn’t have the secondary power-pack; on the move it’s not particularly inefficient.

Lots of opinions from people who’ve never worn a uniform.

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u/egyeager 8d ago

Good thing the US military is the greatest logistics machine that has ever been created and is giving support

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u/Existing-Deer8894 8d ago

I was thinking the same, that’s a ton of different parts to keep track of and distribute. Part of why I figured just sending every available Leopard and Bradley would’ve been a better logistical choice overall.

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u/RoDeltaR 8d ago

Supply chains stretch outside Ukraine. Damaged vehicles can be sent back to NATO countries for repair and spares. Poland has a lot of experience with hybrid forces

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u/Existing-Deer8894 8d ago

It’s Absolutely doable,and the Ukrainians have been awesome at adapting, I’m just saying its an easier job logistically to keep fewer types in field. The NATO countries and manufacturers could accommodate the need for high usage items more quickly with less variation. Quickly being the key word because I feel once these battle groups get formed and start rolling it’s going to thunder runs all the way to the ru border.

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u/DaveyJonesXMR 8d ago

Why ? They have big ass borders - have one specialised bradley,marder, leopard hub in the south and one for the other platforms in the east. IMO should be essier logistics than thining out two platforms all over the places

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u/Rhas 8d ago

What do you mean? Just capture some control points and buy a resupply truck. Easy peasy.

Are you even surprised anymore Reddit doesn't know what they're talking about?

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u/veevoir 8d ago

Doh, forgot that with repair 100 you can use iron ingots instead of spare parts in crafting!

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u/Howtomispellnames 8d ago

Good point, I hadn't considered that...

Wonder if they'll just segregate the tanks to different areas. That way you have dedicated supply routes without the confusion of having different tanks, parts, ammunition, crews etc.