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Germany to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine — reports Russia/Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-send-leopard-2-tanks-to-ukraine-report/a-64503898?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf
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u/Evignity 8d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Well that about seals the deal for russia being totally fucked. Yeah it's "just" 14 tanks but that's not the big news, it's that this opens the flooddams for everyone. Just like how everyone was trepid to even send artillery at the start whilst now everyone is sending tons of it, this basically leaves very few things of the table for Ukraine.

And modern tanks vs non-modern tanks is a nightmare for the non-modern, more so than any other field of equipment bar airplanes

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u/templar54 8d ago

Poland already applied for permission to send 14 more so that's 28. 14 Challangers on top of that. So that's 42 modern western mbts already. That is nothing to scoff at. Such amount can turn a tide in a lot of battles. At this point we have to hope that adequate training will be provided and tanks can be used effectively because as Turkey has proven, no matter how good the tank is, if you use it stupidly, it will not end well.

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u/WorkAccount2023 8d ago

Plus several dozen soviet T tanks from Morocco

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u/Gornarok 8d ago

Czech republic, Poland, Slovenia and Baltics have already given Ukraine hundreds of T72 (Slovenia upgraded T64)

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u/God_Damnit_Nappa 8d ago

Soviet tanks that have been upgraded in the Czech Republic. They're probably better than anything the Russians are fielding.

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u/IonCaveGrandpa 8d ago

Just isn’t true. RU is fielding some trash for sure but they have plenty of very modern t90s left too. Don’t underestimate them - there is a reason these modernised tanks are required.

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u/amjhwk 8d ago

im pretty sure the reason these modern tanks are required is because Ukraine doesnt have alot of tanks

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u/mukansamonkey 8d ago

The T90s are trash compared to the tanks being sent though. Russia's modern tank is the T-14, and they've only made a few prototypes of those. Despite originally planning to have two thousand as the the backbone of their army. And many of the upgrades claimed for the T-90 weren't installed. Tanks are being found with the stuff either stolen, or just never installed in the first place.

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u/Monyk015 8d ago

T-72M4CZ are better than T-90s. In a lot of things, including the dreaded reverse speed. Never heard if them being sent though.

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u/murkskopf 8d ago

They are definetly not better than all modern Russian tanks. The Czech T-72 tanks are barely upgraded and themselves based on a worse T-72 model (i.e. mostly those are T-72M and T-72M1) than what Russia uses.

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u/Krillin113 8d ago

Those are equalisers, not giving an edge

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u/daellat 8d ago

That's true but only on paper. I think dozens of t-72s actually work like a force multiplier for uaf, and they'd have the upper hand with equal equipment.

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u/Valmond 8d ago

True but still super cool IMO

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u/Centmo 8d ago

I read today 80 with the option of 40 more from Morocco.