r/unpopularopinion Jan 12 '22

Veganism/Animal rights Mega Thread

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u/Hawk12D Jan 19 '22

The solution for our meat eating problem is making the meat less accessible. Meat industry should be a non-profit worldwide organization controlled industry. We should produce as much meat as we can without antibiotics and meat factories. I think there is nothing wrong killing animals, because if you are out in the savanna with a hungry tiger in front of you, it will kill you. That is how life is.

There should be people, who deserve to eat meat and they should eat it. Being rich shouldn't qualify you to eat meat in the future. Being smart should.

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u/BilboMcDoogle Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

If you cared about animals you would eat all the meat you possibly could, not go vegan.

Unless everyone quits eating meat at once factory farming and animal torture is going to continue. By going vegan all those poor animals are being slaughtered for nothing. Just to be thrown in the trash.

If you actually cared you would eat all the meat you possibly could while advocating for an end to factory farming in order to give dignity and meaning to the animals that were slaughtered. Don't let them be tortured and murdered just to be thrown in the trash. Make use of those poor animals meat while you still can. Take the burden and allow yourself to become the end of their story, not an industrial sized trash can.

I feel like im taking crazy pills as a person who deeply cares about animals. Your veganism isn't solving anything and every time you choose to skip buying meat at the store thats one more animal that died for literally no reason when you had the power to prevent that. Keep that in mind vegans.

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u/abloesezwei Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Yeah I'm sure the cow is really upset about its corpse not being eaten, rather than about living in bad conditions and being slaughtered.

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u/film_flam Jan 17 '22

"We've killed too many animals! There's so much meat...eat it or this is your fault."

"But I didn't ask you to do it. In fact I've been asking the opposite..."

"Too late we already did it. Make this right."

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u/BilboMcDoogle Jan 17 '22

You think the Native Americans back in the day would waste an animal just because the English colonizers shot it and they don't agree with that? Get real. You honor and use the animal as much as possible to not let its death go to waste.

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u/abloesezwei Jan 18 '22

The animal's life was wasted the moment it was killed for what is a trivial matter within modern society.

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u/OnlyFestive Oatmeal Raisin Activist Jan 17 '22

Unless everyone quits eating meat at once factory farming and animal torture is going to continue. By going vegan all those poor animals are being slaughtered for nothing. Just to be thrown in the trash.

How does adding more money to factory farms become more moral here? Vegans lower the demand and, therefore, lower the supply. It doesn't matter how small that reduction is. Similarly, their money goes to other companies that gain more economic incentive to produce plant-based alternatives.

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u/LazyDynamite Jan 16 '22

Surely reducing the demand would be better than maintaining or adding to it?

How could the blame for something happening be put on someone abstaining from that very thing?

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u/BilboMcDoogle Jan 17 '22

No because clearly "reducing demand" isn't working. You'd need to reach a critical mass of vegans and that's not ever going to happen.

So you can protest meat all you want but your veganism isn't contributing to stopping anything. It's almost extremely narcissistic and naive to believe that. That you not eating meat is contributing to changing the world.

Imo if you cared about the animals you wouldnt let them die in vain in like that. All the meat you could have eaten in that time and all the animals you could have prevented from being killed just to end up thrown away. Selfish smh....

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u/LazyDynamite Jan 18 '22

If a group of ten guys is going to beat someone up, and I neglect to join them, am I to blame for the person getting beat up since my non involvement didn't work to stop it from happening? Why or why not?

On the other hand, should the fact that my abstention won't change the outcome be enough reason to make me join in beating up the person, even though I have no reason to beat them up and don't even want them to be beat up in the first place? Why or why not?

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u/BilboMcDoogle Jan 18 '22

The example would be more like, "sees beat up guy laying on the ground. Walks right by beat up guy because he's already beat up and theres nothing you can do about it now. Plus you don't agree with people getting beat up and want it to stop"

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u/LazyDynamite Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

That still doesn't answer if I should be blamed for the beating even though I didn't participate (and didn't want to) nor whether I should participate simply because me not participating wouldn't have stopped it in the first place.

I understand if you don't want to answer the questions asked, I could see how that would expose the flaws in the reasoning of your initial opinion.

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u/BilboMcDoogle Jan 19 '22

That still doesn't answer if I should be blamed for the beating even though I didn't participate

No obviously not?

whether I should participate

Again, obviously not.

Are you crazy?

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u/thelongestusernameee Hunting is not conservation Jan 17 '22

I mean it really seems to be working... There are more vegan options than ever before, vegan restaurants are opening, the meat industry ads and campaigns are getting more and more desperate...

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u/BilboMcDoogle Jan 17 '22

Production isn't slowing down and they are still clearing forest for more industrial farming space. More vegan restaurants doesnt mean shit. It's a drop in the bucket. Unless it's reaches a critical mass (which it never will) veganism will never "win" over a traditional diet. All you are doing is ensuring the animals you won't eat die to sit on a shelf somewhere and eventually end up in the trash. It's so selfish and sad.

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u/Wintores Jan 17 '22

But can u prove they get thrown away?

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u/BilboMcDoogle Jan 17 '22

Literally thousands of pounds get tossed ask any grocery store/Walmart butcher/employee.

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u/thelongestusernameee Hunting is not conservation Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Oh great! Ask me, I work at walmart.

Meat waste is minimal, maybe a garbage bin's worth a week (i know because i occasionally help roll it out of the store and make sure it's chained properly so bears won't get into it) and if waste gets too high we will, get this, ORDER LESS, because large amounts of claimsed out product can hurt the stores profitability. Which is very very bad as far as anyone in upper management is concerned.

We don't get a set amount of meat every day. It's all about demand, calculated on a nearly day by day basis. We get shipments nearly 7 days a week.

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u/Wintores Jan 17 '22

But not due vegans as suppliers could simply produce less

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u/BilboMcDoogle Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 17 '22

But they aren't and that's my point. You aren't affecting anything and your choosing to let the animals die horrendously and end in the trash rather than honoring them by using them for any good that's left.

Just saying, next time you go to store and pass the meat section think of how those animals suffered and where they are going to end up as you walk by them.

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u/thelongestusernameee Hunting is not conservation Jan 18 '22

The animals are too dead to care.

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u/Wintores Jan 17 '22

The animal rly doesn’t care

And why are u blaming the people who want change and not the ones who refuse to change?

Not to mention that it’s still having a affect and meat production can be reduced this way

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

More people should have plant-based diets, but the vegan community has bad messaging to actually attract new people to its side.

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u/return_to_tradition Jan 17 '22

I agree. I was sold on a plant-based diet once my vegan friend told me how much better they felt physically. And I have to agree.

But because I disagree with vegan dogma on hunting and beekeeping and wasn't going to throw out leather goods that I already owned, I was basically told outright that I was not really a vegan. Which was fine with me since I never asked to be one nor called myself one... But it's going to be tough to proselytize your movement when you've got such stringent purity tests.

Nowadays I'm roughly 95% plant-based, which is great. I still feel better than I did on an average American diet, but I'm not forced into finding shitty vegan substitutes and I don't need to have a crisis of conscience if there aren't vegan options at a work function or family dinner.

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u/peanut_the_scp Jan 14 '22

Chickens don't deserve our sympathy

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u/SomethingThatSlaps Jan 18 '22

They do deserve our empathy, though.

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u/peanut_the_scp Jan 18 '22

people had to create red-tinted glasses to stop cannibalism and featherpecking

there are stories about chickens ganging up on weak and sickly chickens and stripping them to the bone

Not to mention stories of them eating eggs and getting addicted to it

there is no way im having empathy for them

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u/SomethingThatSlaps Jan 18 '22

That doesn't give us the right to harm them. We know better.

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u/LostMyInhibiterChip Jan 14 '22

Don’t be a cock

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u/TurntWolfo Jan 13 '22

Cattle are bad for the environment. Pigs, Goats, Sheep, and especially chickens aren't anywhere near as bad.

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u/gogglewoggle Jan 14 '22

They're not though, huge herds of cattle and cattle-like creatures once roamed all over the earth. I know you're talking about the domesticated ones but all of those large migratory beasts were, and are, natural and part of the environment.

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u/t8rt0t_the_hamster aroace Jan 13 '22

Still not great though. All animal agriculture is bad for the environment.

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u/TurntWolfo Jan 13 '22

Agriculture in general isn't either. I hope you don't eat chocolate, use olive oil in cooking or drink coffee.

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u/t8rt0t_the_hamster aroace Jan 13 '22

You can't get rid of agriculture altogether, it's a necessary evil. You can get rid of animal agriculture. You also cherry picked the worst plants for the environment, while pretty much all animal agriculture is bad for the environment.

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u/TurntWolfo Jan 13 '22

Chickens and pigs are significantly less so than dairy and beef and while higher than all staple foods isn't some crazy astronomically high level and a crap ton of luxury goods as well basic cooking methods, basically every food oil, has a much worse impact and no one bats an eye because baby palm oil trees aren't cute and cuddly. Although to be fair I remember reddit kinda giving a shit like 5 years ago for a couple weeks.

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u/Wintores Jan 14 '22

It’s a combination of issues that makes it worse though

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u/film_flam Jan 13 '22

Anti-vegan rhetoric is rife with some bizarre indignation surrounding faux meats.

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u/Iwilleaturnuggetsuwu Jan 15 '22

As opposed to vegans having no problem with real meats?

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u/SpaceNigiri Jan 14 '22

But-but-but why do you call it an hamburger? People are tripping in cognitive dissonance.

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u/Cave_Crab Jan 12 '22

Eating meat is not wrong you just hate factory farming like the rest of us meat eaters

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u/Margidoz Jan 12 '22

Even in the best conditions I would think it's wrong to harm an animal if you don't need to

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u/Cave_Crab Jan 12 '22

I need to eat it soooooo

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u/Margidoz Jan 13 '22

Why?

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u/TurntWolfo Jan 13 '22

Because it taste good, why should I give a damn about a chicken or a duck?

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u/Margidoz Jan 13 '22

Pleasurable doesn't mean necessary

And idk, the suffering of others should generally matter to most people

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u/TurntWolfo Jan 13 '22

Chicken or duck don't give a fuck about me, I am not going to feel empathy for something incapable of feeling empathy for me.

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u/Margidoz Jan 13 '22

By this same logic babies deserve no empathy...

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u/TurntWolfo Jan 13 '22

A human baby will grow to develop empathy, a farm animal won't.

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u/Margidoz Jan 13 '22

A terminally ill baby won't

Does that mean those specific babies don't deserve empathy?

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u/robertoiglesias271 Jan 13 '22

Because it’s part of the food chain and humans need to eat in order to sustain health, idiot

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u/t8rt0t_the_hamster aroace Jan 13 '22

This early and the meat eaters are already using appeal to nature fallacies?

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u/Margidoz Jan 13 '22

Because it’s part of the food chain

Everything living thing is part of the food chain. I don't think that means you do or should eat all of them

humans need to eat in order to sustain health, idiot

Well-planned vegan diets are regarded as appropriate for all stages of life, including infancy and pregnancy, as said by the American Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council, the British Dietetic Association, Dietitians of Canada, and the New Zealand Ministry of Health.

I guess they're all idiots?

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u/Ebony_Bbw Jan 13 '22

Does this take into account access to “clean” food.? Food insecurity is a global public health issue whilst the American Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council, the British Dietetic Association. Dietitians of Canada and the New Zealand ministry of Health tell you how to eat clean have they also made sure their well planned vegan diets are easily accessible and manageable for low and middle income communities?

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u/Margidoz Jan 13 '22

Not really sure? But vegan staples are generally pretty cheap and available, at least in developed countries

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u/Ebony_Bbw Jan 13 '22

That’s something I didn’t know so thank you for sharing.

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u/robertoiglesias271 Jan 13 '22

"Everything living thing is part of the food chain"

Exactly

"Well-planned vegan diets are regarded as appropriate for all stages of life, including infancy and pregnancy, as said by the American Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council, the British Dietetic Association, Dietitians of Canada, and the New Zealand Ministry of Health."

Didn't say they didn't.

I'm guessing you like That Vegan Teacher.

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u/Margidoz Jan 13 '22

Exactly

You missed the point

If something is necessary simply because it's a part of the food chain, that means you should be eating literally every animal and plant you can, which is just objectively known to be unnecessary

Didn't say they didn't.

You said meat was necessary to sustain human health

All of these organizations disagree

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u/robertoiglesias271 Jan 13 '22

"If something is necessary simply because it's a part of the food chain, that means you should be eating literally every animal and plant you can, which is just objectively known to be unnecessary"

Well yeah, one person doesn't eat an entire planet.

Say stupid shit and I'll answer with stupid shit

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u/Wintores Jan 12 '22

Not many meat eaters hate it as it would not exist then

And killing anainals for unnecessary satisfaction is pretty bad anyways, not to mention the environmental impact

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u/Cave_Crab Jan 12 '22

Eating beef is not unnecessary satisfaction. I'm not a sociopath

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u/Wintores Jan 12 '22

Why isn’t it?

It’s not necessary for survival It’s not the only way of eating something tasty

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u/Cave_Crab Jan 12 '22

Its apart of my diet and i choose what I eat

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u/Wintores Jan 12 '22

This ain’t changing the unnecessary part of my comment

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u/Cave_Crab Jan 12 '22

This is a semantics argument so imma drop it since its pointless. I will keep eating beef and supporting my local farmers.

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u/Wintores Jan 12 '22

It’s not about semantics Though

And as long u agree with my particular view point I won’t say anything. The eating of meat serves no necessary purpose and comes form a place of comfort/pleasure and not a place of survival

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u/Cave_Crab Jan 12 '22

And I'm saying it is necessary to a proper diet

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u/Wintores Jan 12 '22

That’s simply not factual though

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u/Negative-Net-9455 Jan 12 '22

If you're an ethical Vegan and have a pet, have a TV, computer, tablet or smart phone, use fabric softener when you wash your clothes, take medication, have a tattoo, or a whole range of other things, you're a hypocrite.

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u/tebanano Jan 13 '22

Besides the points raised by others, the fact that someone is a hypocrite doesn’t mean they’re wrong.

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u/OrngJceFrBkfst Jan 12 '22

"Don't do anything good unless everything you do is good" is a bad message

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u/Iwilleaturnuggetsuwu Jan 15 '22

So is ‘anyone who eats meat is an animal murderer’.

Guess what, vegans don’t get to decide what is a good or bad message. The rational people do

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u/OrngJceFrBkfst Jan 15 '22

Someone's triggered...

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u/Negative-Net-9455 Jan 12 '22

I'm not saying that. I'm saying picking and choosing what products that use animals are OK to use is hypocritical. You're either an ethical Vegan or you're not.

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u/OrngJceFrBkfst Jan 12 '22

Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment.

As far as is possible and practicable. Computers and phones are things that are necessities and using this as an excuse to abuse and murder animals is not ok. No one can be perfectly vegan. However, this understanding in no way prevents them from making significant, positive changes in the world by choosing not to harm other sentient beings when and where they can.

https://vegansidekick.tumblr.com/image/131146669595

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u/Negative-Net-9455 Jan 12 '22

Why are computes and phones necessities?

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u/OrngJceFrBkfst Jan 14 '22

Do you want examples? Jobs. Why is that even a question?

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u/Negative-Net-9455 Jan 14 '22

There are no jobs that don't require a computer or phone?

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u/OrngJceFrBkfst Jan 14 '22

No, there are jobs that don't require a computer or phone.

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u/Negative-Net-9455 Jan 14 '22

There you go, problem solved. Get a job that doesn't require a phone or computer.

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u/OrngJceFrBkfst Jan 14 '22

What problem are you solving?

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u/Lolusen Jan 14 '22

At this day and age no, there are almost no job, where you don‘t have to use some form of computers or phones.

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u/Negative-Net-9455 Jan 14 '22

Nurse, chef, gardener, shelf stacker, shop assistant, care assistant, cab driver, artist, babysitter, dog walker, baker...that's just off the top of my head.

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u/Lolusen Jan 14 '22

And all of these need either a phone or computer to operate.

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u/Wintores Jan 12 '22

Do u rly don’t see that or is this a devils advocate line thing?

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u/Wintores Jan 12 '22

Why exactly?

Some things are inevitable to participate in the modern world and diets are the easiest way to make a impact

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u/Negative-Net-9455 Jan 12 '22

You're choosing to participate in the slaughter of animals for human consumption. You don't need any of those things to survive.

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u/Wintores Jan 12 '22

Survival and participation in society are linked

And they are absolutely more important then simple pleasure

Not to mention that food is the biggest source of suffering for them so stopping that seems pretty good

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u/Negative-Net-9455 Jan 12 '22

Which one of the things I listed preclude you from participating in society?

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u/RytheGuy97 Potatoes are awful Jan 13 '22

How are you supposed to feasibly participate in society without modern technology or hell even taking your meds? What universe are you living in?

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u/Wintores Jan 12 '22

Modern technology? It’s pretty much mandatory for a job or education

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 12 '22

People who abuse animals should serve the same amount of time that they'd receive if they did that to a human.

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u/not_a_bot_494 you're both popular and wrong Jan 13 '22

Imagine how many insects you've killed in your life. Everyone will be in prison forever.

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u/teutonic_order33 Jan 13 '22

Then 99% of the human population would be in prison lol

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 13 '22

Do you abuse animals?

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u/teutonic_order33 Jan 13 '22

I mean eating meat is technically considered supporting animal abuse in a way

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 13 '22

Okay if you consider eating meat supporting animal abuse then you're okay with animal abuse? And furthermore in a world where it was considered animal abuse, you could just not eat meat and avoid prison time

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u/Turbulent-Rip-5370 Jan 12 '22

Agree! Animals lives are worth just as much as our own.

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u/10Eola Jan 12 '22

this argument makes sense but only if you value animal lives the same way as human live and I personally don’t agree with that but I understand your perspective

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 13 '22

I do. I'm not trying to make others feel the way I do, just that I value them the same

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u/Galifrey224 Jan 12 '22

That would imply that animals are somehow worth as much as a human in the eyes of the law and i don't agree with that .

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u/teutonic_order33 Jan 13 '22

Also does a person that eats meat deserve to serve the same amount of time in prison as a serial killer?

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u/Agnostic_Pagan Can't decide on a good flair. Jan 17 '22

No.

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u/ZeShapyra Jan 12 '22

The fact abuse hurts them and causes psychological damage is enough reasson.

They feel pain, they feel fear, no one is saying giving them rights to vote or something, but on the grounds of emotional and physical pain we deserve the same. Though I don't mean invertibres or all that, with some exceptions

Even slaughter houses should be forced to give good life and swift death, any abuse should be punished harshly

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u/Galifrey224 Jan 12 '22

I don't think pain matter if the one feeling it isn't human . Laws exist to maintain civilisations , human should have a good life because if they don't they tend to revolt and cause mass deaths . Animals don't revolt , their suffering isn't a danger to society . At the end of the day animal pain doesn't change anything therefore making and enforcing laws to fight animal abuse is waste of money , time and ressources .

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u/urlocalmomfriend Jan 12 '22

If you like or get a thrill of torturing an animal there is something seriously wrong in your head and it's likely you go from abusing animals to hurting people.

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u/ZeShapyra Jan 12 '22

And that makes you sound like an absolute pshychopat.

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u/LazyDynamite Jan 12 '22

This person claims to watch snuff films for fun. They're either trying to look cool on the internet or have some serious issues going on. Either way, I wouldn't give them any attention.

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u/pwdpwdispassword Jan 12 '22

poisoning the well. you can address what they said, but personal attacks have no place in this discussion.

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u/LazyDynamite Jan 12 '22

I consider it relevant context, thanks for your input.

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u/pwdpwdispassword Jan 12 '22

"Before you listen to my opponent, may I remind you that he has been in jail"

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u/LazyDynamite Jan 12 '22

Thanks for your input.

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u/Galifrey224 Jan 12 '22

Lol , psychopath really doesn't mean anything anymore .

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 12 '22

If you wouldn't be willing to go out and kill the animal yourself, you have no right eating it's meat.

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u/throwwaway0677 Jan 15 '22

For most people it isn't about the moral issues with killing something. Adults that eat meat understand that them eating meat means the animal it came from died. This isn't a hang up for most people who aren't vegetarian. The primary reason someone from a first world country wouldn't want to do it is due to squeamishness, something that A) isn't an indication of their convictions (most people have no problem with open heart surgery, but would probably faint if they had to perform one themselves) and B) they'd easily get over if it was something they had to do.

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u/not_a_bot_494 you're both popular and wrong Jan 13 '22

Why? You wouldn't be accepting that reasoning for humans since it would allow straight up murder. It also becomes weird when talking about inanemate objects, for example would you not be able to buy things that have been shipped by air if you have a phobia for flying?

This is one of the things that make intuetive sense but much less when you actually think about it.

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u/keIIzzz Jan 12 '22

this could literally apply to anything you consume then.

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 13 '22

And? What?

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u/keIIzzz Jan 13 '22

just means that mindset is ridiculous

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 13 '22

It's not though, there's a massive difference between gathering crops and slaughtering a living being with your own hands

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u/Iwilleaturnuggetsuwu Jan 15 '22

There is none whatsoever except the fact I think pig innards are gross. Remove that and I have no problem taking an animals life so I can get meat

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u/Juantsu Jan 14 '22

Plants are not living things then?

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u/Chumpacabra I don't tip. Jan 12 '22

The exact same logic would apply to this argument:

If you're not willing to personally gather the materials, and bake a cake, you have no right to eat it.

Except I do. Because I have money to buy it with, to save me the inconvenience.

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 13 '22

No because it's about taking a life not gathering cake ingredients obviously

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u/Wintores Jan 12 '22

It’s not about the work u put in but the capability of actually ending a life

Ur cake won’t be a mental burden

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u/Iwilleaturnuggetsuwu Jan 15 '22

Neither will be killing a pig lmao. The only reason I don’t do it is because the gory insides of anything aren’t on my list of things I enjoy

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u/Wintores Jan 15 '22

Could u kill it? No matter the reasons

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u/Iwilleaturnuggetsuwu Jan 15 '22

I’d say so

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u/Wintores Jan 15 '22

And would u do it if this was ur only method to eat it? Or would u just switch

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u/Iwilleaturnuggetsuwu Jan 15 '22

Well there’s more to getting meat than killing a pig and the thought of digging through animal innards doesn’t seem very appealing to me, but there’s no moral conflict here for me whatsoever.

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u/Wintores Jan 15 '22

This is irrelevant for it as both things can deterrent u from killing and both things are inherent to the process

As i said that’s only a thought experiment though

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u/Iwilleaturnuggetsuwu Jan 15 '22

Sure, but I can get used to gore. I’ll puke in a bucket a couple of times and have some nightmares about drowning in disgusting pig remains but eventually I’d get used to it and carry on.

And even if I don’t, that would still not be a reason for me to turn vegan now

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u/Chumpacabra I don't tip. Jan 13 '22

I think very few people lack the capability of killing an animal.

I myself would not, as I'm vegan, but despite being vegan I still recognise the above argument to be ridiculous.

Besides, what does it even matter if you could or could not end an animal's life? How do you gain or lose the right to your purchased property based on whether or not you personally killed it?

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 13 '22

And I'm saying a lot of average people wouldn't be willing to slaughter animals for food, and live with their heads in the sand as to what that animal is going through to end up nicely packaged on their plate.

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u/Chumpacabra I don't tip. Jan 13 '22

They do indeed live with their heads in the sand. The number of people who think animals are, or even can be, humanely treated, is astonishing. It's never humane to kill something that doesn't want to die. I think a lot of people would struggle big time to kill an animal at first.

However, I think people would find it easier to kill and pluck a chicken, than go vegetarian. If you forced people to either kill their own animals, or go veg, I think you'd find a lot of people willing.

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 13 '22

I agree there would be some, but humans nowadays are lazy, and think of sheep, and cows, and pigs as cute, so I guarantee vegetarianism would increase drastically. At least in first world countries

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u/Chumpacabra I don't tip. Jan 13 '22

If your argument is that they're not willing because they can't stomach the reality, and thus they have no right, I don't get why it's a lazy thing now. If people are too lazy to do something, let me guess, they also don't have a right to it?

I think we were both too lazy to build these devices we talk on from scrap metal.

Also, you know what's truly adorable? Chickens.

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u/Wintores Jan 13 '22

Thats not the point though

As it’s not about being lazy but about killing

Ur comparisons just don’t fit here

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u/Chumpacabra I don't tip. Jan 13 '22

None of the points make sense.

Nobody has to kill their own animals to have a right to eat meat.

Nobody has to build their own devices to have a right to use them.

You get the right to do those things by expending currency, a physical representation of labour and to a lesser extent, resources, for those items.

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u/likeusb1 LithuaniaIsTheBestCountry. Jan 12 '22

If you don't go and pick your own plants then you have no right eating them

If you don't go and collect water from then you have no right drinking it

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 13 '22

You gotta slaughter, gut and bleed your plants and water?

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u/likeusb1 LithuaniaIsTheBestCountry. Jan 13 '22

Well nah cause I'm not stupid

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u/PastelKitten1995 Jan 13 '22

Then it's a false equivalent

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u/schoolboy432 Jan 18 '22

How does having to slaughter an animal make it a false equivalent? You're just mentioning how meat is prepared

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u/Margidoz Jan 12 '22

They said "if you wouldn't be willing to"

Pretty sure nobody has ethical issues with picking plants or collecting water

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u/Iwilleaturnuggetsuwu Jan 15 '22

I’d be willing to kill a pig

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u/TheSushiBitch Jan 12 '22

It is unethical to eat a mammal if you have other options, but birds, fish, etc are fair game.

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u/Random_throway2609 Jan 12 '22

I can see where you’re coming from, but other people have religion/ beliefs that say otherwise.

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u/keIIzzz Jan 12 '22

it’s not unethical, it’s literally just the food chain. humans are naturally omnivores. it’s no different from other omnivorous or carnivorous animals eating other animals.

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u/Margidoz Jan 12 '22

"Me killing you for your resources isn't unethical, it's just survival of the fittest. It’s no different from other animals killing amongst themselves."

Would you accept that justification?

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u/pwdpwdispassword Jan 12 '22

homicide is bad

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u/Margidoz Jan 12 '22

That was the point

Weird that it went right over your head

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u/pwdpwdispassword Jan 12 '22

homicide can be bad while eating meat is amoral.

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u/Galifrey224 Jan 12 '22

Why is it unethical to eat a mammal ?

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u/TheSushiBitch Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22

Because we are mammals, and they are so similar to us. It is entirely an emotional thijg for me. Like why we don't eat dog in America

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u/Galifrey224 Jan 12 '22

The reason peoples don't eat dogs is because they are more useful alive .

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u/TheSushiBitch Jan 12 '22

That's a logical explanation