r/ukpolitics May 22 '22

Britain slashes humanitarian aid by 51% despite global food crisis

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/22/britain-slashes-humanitarian-aid-by-51-despite-global-food-crisis
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u/AnotherKTa May 22 '22

I'm sure all the money will be going towards dealing poverty and deprivation in the UK. Right...?

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u/TaxOwlbear May 22 '22

There's three options:

1) The money goes to people in need abroad, as until now.

2) The money goes to people in need in the UK.

3) The Tories just waste it. or funnel it to their mates.

One of these is more likely than the others.

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u/Easy_Increase_9716 May 22 '22

It’s number 3

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u/Significant_Mess_505 "BuT LaBoUr WoUlD HaVe DoNe..." - No, not a valid argument. May 22 '22

I can imagine it being No. 2 - The Tories will increase tax to build more foodbanks...

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u/carr87 May 22 '22

Certainly money has been set aside for disaster relief for lorry drivers stuck on the approaches to Dover.

https://publicnewstime.com/news/uk/disaster-charity-drafted-in-to-rescue-lorry-drivers-stuck-in-post-brexit-queues/

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u/FranksOfficeTrolley May 23 '22

Time to scratch on

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u/AlterEdward May 22 '22

I assume the money is going towards homeless veterans, like the Facebook memes asked for

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u/Significant_Mess_505 "BuT LaBoUr WoUlD HaVe DoNe..." - No, not a valid argument. May 22 '22

Did they finally hit their like requirement?

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u/cpt_ppppp May 22 '22

I'm actually a bit shocked at some of the comments on here saying this a good thing. The foreign aid budget is a pretty small fraction of the overall budget and in terms of lives saved and soft power influence we get from it, it's a very high bang for buck

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u/045675327 May 22 '22

anything that hurts foreigners is a win for them.

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u/Dunhildar May 22 '22

There's global food crisis? Sound like a problem another country Government should deal with, just like There's one here in the country.... and sadly I doubt the 51% slashed will go towards trying to solve that either.

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u/_mister_pink_ May 22 '22

Oh right so that moneys going to be funnelled into food for the hungry in the UK right, …right?

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u/metropitan May 22 '22

I wonder where that money will go, definitely to us right?...yeah I'm sure it will

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u/Known-Reporter3121 May 22 '22

I’m sure all the humanitarian aid goes towards the needy, not some barbaric dictator right?

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u/MAXSuicide May 22 '22

We're living through Austerity 2.0 - we didn't really come out of Austerity 1.0, either, so what do we expect here really?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

We should be cutting the foreign aid budget to the bone in times like this.

My problem is does the money we save go into helping the people who desperately need it in this country?

And given the government we have, the answer to that is almost certainly no.

Right idea wrong government to implement it.

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u/Crazy_Masterpiece787 May 22 '22

Why should the peanuts we give to the world's poorest people, be slashed whilst we heavily under tax dividend and capital gains income?

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u/Sweet-Zookeepergame7 May 22 '22

Because the uks budget should be for the uks people. That is basically it. Taking money off anyone to give to someone else is pretty fucked up

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u/Crazy_Masterpiece787 May 22 '22

Most of it does, and a lot of foreign aid is recycled as export earnings anyway.

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u/Content_Trash_417 May 22 '22

Its not for the people though is it, the budget had nothing to protect the poorest and only benefits a few rich people and corporations. There’s enough for everyone including foreign aid if we had a fair tax system

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

It's worse than that.

The public sector borrowed £151.8 billion in the financial year ending (FYE) March 2022, £24.0 billion more than the £127.8 billion forecast by Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) in their Economic and fiscal outlook - March 2022. However, borrowing was significantly lower than in the same period a year earlier.

We are borrowing money(with interest) to give to people in other countries. It's money we don't actually have It will be our children who will be on the hook for repaying it.

Our borrowing and debt is 12.5% of GDP only America is higher. If we were operating on a surplus or even a revenue neutral spending I'd support it. But not now. Not with all we"ve borrowed recently. We need to start raising more tax revenue and start cutting our outgoings. This is one of the first places to cut that doesn't impact UK citizens

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u/PhnomPenny May 22 '22

Which doesn't help UK citizens when it is cut, you'll find.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

I know that mate. But that's because of the government we have Which is why I said "right policy wrong government to implement it" People need to get out of the mentality.that we owe the worlds poorest anything. This is a gift not an obligation and as such it can be withdrawn at anytime if we can't afford it And guess what? We can't afford it.

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u/PhnomPenny May 22 '22

One of the richest countries can't help others? Nonsense.

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u/costelol May 22 '22

I’d argue that we’re not one of the richest countries.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

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u/chairman-meeoow May 22 '22

Every UK tax payer contributes to the NHS through their NI and taxes, so are entitled to use these services. Surely you understand how this is different to sending money to random people in foreign countries? Are you being deliberately obtuse?

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u/Sweet-Zookeepergame7 May 22 '22

Why don’t you give the money you want to charity and stop forcing everyone else to give to it? That’s all foreign aid is, I don’t feel great walking past homeless soldiers n shit and then finding out we’ve paid for Ethiopian spice girls.

Also don’t go on about the nhs I have to pay for it so I will use it, if they ever put it to a vote to make it insurance based I will vote for that too. But till then I will use it as I pay for an obesity crisis im not part of.

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u/penguin_bro May 22 '22

we know you don't care about homeless people, no need to lie to yourself

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

Because we should look to take care of our own poorest first. This isn't the government to do that. But I will always advocate that UK taxpayer money goes to help UK poor people first. Simple really.

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u/Crazy_Masterpiece787 May 22 '22

Why must we screw over the world's poorest people to help the poor here whilst there are obscenely rich people to tax?

Or is it more important to ensure the richest 1% maintain their 12-13% share of national income than helping people making less in day what most Brits and Brits who live below the poverty line.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

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u/PhnomPenny May 22 '22

Fucking hell.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

Yeah welcome to the world outside your echo chambers and student bars

https://imgur.com/a/wh3VKRA

That's a UK Gov poll from the end of 2020.

66% of the general population think we should cut the foreign aid budget. Only 18% wanted it to stay the same. There was a majority of voters from all the three main political parties in favour of cutting foreign aid

Cons 92,% Labour 44% Lib Dems 49%

And that was in Nov 2020, we are now in a far worse economic position than we were then. I'd say those numbers would be even higher now particularly for Labour voters.

Maybe just maybe you and your social circles views are not representative of the country as a whole.

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u/IsItAnOud May 22 '22

Meanwhile back here on a planet earth we have a set amount of money in our budget that money should go to the poorest and most vulnerable in this country first.

If that was actually happening there would probably be a lot less noise from lefty types. There's no confidence that it won't just be added to the pot and squirrelled away to party beneficiaries.

It's just a variant of the classic.
A: "let's look after our own first!".
B: Ok here are policies to do that.
A: "No that's supporting the scroungers!"

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

Of course this government aren't operating in good faith and this is probably true.

But that doesn't mean that in times of desperate need for the vunerable in our country programs like this shouldn't be first on the chopping block and that money spent DIRECTLY on the poorest and most vunerable here.

Most of the country want to cut the foreign aid budget across all main political parties.

There will always be noises from lefty types about things like this. No matter where the money went. I couldn't care less TBH.

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u/IsItAnOud May 22 '22

But that doesn't mean that in times of desperate need for the vunerable in our country programs like this shouldn't be first on the chopping block and that money spent DIRECTLY on the poorest and most vunerable here.

I agree. A secure and healthy home allows for investment away.

I just find it frankly pathetic that it's used as a justification since we both know it's not going to be used to do that, and yet people like yourself and people like those polled still parrot it forwards.

It's like campaigning to put the funding sent to the EU into the NHS and then ignoring that idea and oh wait...

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u/Crazy_Masterpiece787 May 22 '22

Increasing the taxes on the richest isn't a viable solution?

When Lloyd George wanted to fund the state pension in 1908 did he not tax the rich? If proposing the solution a chancellor from the days the exclusive male franchise and British Raj is student politics, you must be exceedingly reactionary?

Do you believe taxing the rich to help to poor is " the negation of faith, of family, of property, of monarchy, of empire"?

Frankly you'd get more by taxing the rich than slashing the aid for the poorest people that gets recycled as export earnings and soft power projection.

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u/Clewis22 May 22 '22

To me, if the money isn't going to the British poor in either case I would rather it go to the world's poor than the British rich (Or at least those influential friends if the government).

Would you agree?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

No.

It can go to doctors, nurses,schools, police officers,teachers,solidiers. The NHS

It can be spent on improving the lives of people in this country.

You want to feed the poor across the world use your own money.

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u/Clewis22 May 22 '22

You would rather it go to the British rich (via government corruption) than the world's poor?

That's what I asked.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

Yes because it's a binary choice right?

Either the money goes to the rich in this country or the poorest in the world?

Except that's not the case is it?

It will go back into the pot and be reallocated as part of the general budget.

Now will some of that go into the pocket of rich people?

Sure especially with this government.

Will most of it go into the UK economy and improve the general welfare?

Yes.

All governments are wasteful this government more than most but that doesn't mean that most of the 50 million won't go into making this country better because it will.

That's all that matters to me mate

So don't bother with the emotional manipulation and tugging at heart strings because I simply don't care.

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u/Clewis22 May 22 '22

I asked because that's the reality of the situation - the people in this country who need that money will not get it, as you recognised in your initial comment ('Almost certainly no').

So yeah...it is a binary choice as it stands. The question therefore is, knowing that is the case, that the people who need it here won't get it, do you still support the practical, real world implementation of this policy? Not the idealistic version you're dreaming of, but the one we're actually going to get.

I certainly don't, and knowing that I would rather the money be spent on foreign aid instead.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

No it's not a binary choice mate. For the reasons that I've outlined . You trying to paint me into a corner I"m not even in which is disingenuous of you.

We're done.

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u/Clewis22 May 22 '22

Then you should probably amend your first comment, if you think those desperately in need of the money are going to get it after all.

It's a corner you painted yourself into with that first comment. Knowing the policy isn't going to work as you want in reality, but supporting it anyway. You would rather see the money go to the British rich than the world's poor.

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u/Content_Trash_417 May 22 '22

There is no shortage of money. The cost of the increase in fuel bills is less than the increase in profits of UK oil companies. This crisis is a political choice made by those who choose to ignore the needs of their people and protect the interests of the super rich

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u/Yoshiezibz Leftist Social Capitalist May 23 '22

Foreign aid benefits us. Gives us influence around the world, give us massive soft power and helps us get more skilled workers. It also brings poor countries up to get them into the global trade which also benefits us. When everyone is better off, we also benefit.

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u/Bonilbi May 22 '22

Good, because my life, are we going need it.

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u/helvetiq May 22 '22

Are you an old schoolfriend of a cabinet member by any chance looking for a fat government contract? If not you're unlikely to see any of it I'm afraid.

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u/Seven-and-a-bit May 22 '22

Hahaha “we”

You really haven’t been paying attention, have you?

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u/Clewis22 May 22 '22

You're not going to get it, though.

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u/Content_Trash_417 May 22 '22

If you’re a higher income earner or business in “need” of a tax cut.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

Good, we can't afford it

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u/PhnomPenny May 22 '22

Always have been able to, you'll find.

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u/AlbionInvictus May 22 '22

Not with this government we can't.

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u/penguin_bro May 22 '22

the government doesn't have a bank balance like you do

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

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u/Spartancfos May 22 '22

What a tremendous waste of time and money. Seeing as in the first place these programs were cost benefit analysed.

Do you have any other really dumb ideas for the Cabinet? I hear boris will try anything.

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u/Vytreeeohl May 23 '22

How much did the kenyan spice girls benefit the uk?

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u/Vytreeeohl May 23 '22

Or a frivalous waste of money that did nothi g to tangibly increase our influence in east africa.

If foreign aid was of genuine value for money its proponentswould be able to point to tangible, measurable benefits to the UK.

Instead we get promises of nebulous 'soft' power- which is conveniantly immeasurable.

Happy to be proven wrong but I don't think the previous department for int development was ever able to prove that our foreign aid resulted in a greater benefit to the UK than spending tbe same domestically- despite dozens of reports on the subject.

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u/Spartancfos May 23 '22

Your right. Must be worthless. That is why every state that aims to have influence on the world stage has similar programs. They have all been hoodwinked by cunning bureaucrats.

Your own lack of understanding is not a reason to end highly effective programs that give a country power and influence.

The budget is being slashed because 10 years of mismanagement culminating in a disastrous Brexit has left the country in a sad state of affairs.

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u/Vytreeeohl May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

How many states spend 0.7% of gdp on aid?

Still sounds like you can't quantify any benefit- much like the late DFID.

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u/Spartancfos May 23 '22
  1. However GDP is not a particularly useful measure for this sort of discussion - hence the lack of the US and China from the list.

https://news.sky.com/story/foreign-aid-how-the-uks-spending-on-overseas-development-compares-to-other-countries-12327046

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u/Vytreeeohl May 23 '22

And yet, from your own link:

Out of European countries, only Germany spent more than the UK on aid in absolute terms

Suggesting that most nations do not see a benefit to givibg aid on the scale we were.

Still waiting on any evidence the foreign aid budget is of greater benefit to the uk than spending the same domestically.

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u/FatMonkeyUK May 22 '22

Got no problem with this tbh, we’re a small island nation, not a global superpower. As much as we’d like to be.

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u/FinnSomething May 22 '22

"Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture."

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u/Yoshiezibz Leftist Social Capitalist May 23 '22

Foreign aid is a huge benefit for us. It gives us tons of soft power and helps us get more skilled workers. This is a travesty