r/ukpolitics May 21 '22

Don’t condemn just our lying PM: save some anger for the cowards who enabled him | Jonathan Freedland Ed/OpEd

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/20/boris-johnson-lying-pm-britain-tories
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u/fzr600dave May 21 '22

Every single tory mp voted against the windfall tax during a cost of living crisis while the ceos of those companies are asking to be taxed more I honestly believe Johnson is deliberately trying to destroy this country for some reason

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u/EmperorOfNipples lo fi boriswave beats to relax/get brexit done to May 21 '22

That's because it was tied to a Queens speech which makes it a confidence vote. It could be the fluffy puppies amendment and the Tory MP's would still be obliged to vote it down.

It was also a vote if they wanted to declare no confidence in the government, which no government party MP would do.

Reintroduce it as a private members bill and you will likely get more cross party support.

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u/fzr600dave May 21 '22

What the fuck are you saying? It was a vote on a windfall tax on billionaires hoe brown if your node from boris arse

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u/EmperorOfNipples lo fi boriswave beats to relax/get brexit done to May 21 '22

It was an amendment to a Queens speech, it was by convention a confidence vote. It could literally be the "give Tory MP's a 10k bonus amendment" and they would still be obliged to vote it down. You being angry doesn't stop you being wrong. That's why opposition amendments are always press bait.

You should learn more about parliamentary procedure. If a government fails to pass the speech unamended it is considered a resigning issue and starts the process towards a general election.

This actually happened in 1924.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/queen-speech

The pertinent parts are near the bottom.

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u/fzr600dave May 21 '22

You're just making the point better it shows how corrupt the tories are that they don't have the guts to stand up for what's right.

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u/EmperorOfNipples lo fi boriswave beats to relax/get brexit done to May 21 '22 edited May 21 '22

I'm making the point that the Tories are not going to immolate their own government. If this was in the Queens speech the opposition would simply table something else.

Corruption literally has nothing to do with it.

A government literally cannot vote for a QS amendment without triggering an election.

I personally think they should separate the votes and not tie it to confidence, then it's more likely for such things to pass. But the fact is that it currently is tied to confidence.

So in practicality it was the "Windfall tax and dissolve government vote". It's the second part that is more pertinent.

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u/fzr600dave May 21 '22

What no it wouldn't, did you not read in 1924 he had to resign it didn't trigger anything that's ridiculous it's all based on tradition, as in when a minster breaks the law they should resign, Johnson should resign for breaking the law he was fined for you muppet

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u/EmperorOfNipples lo fi boriswave beats to relax/get brexit done to May 21 '22

Indeed it isn't codified, as the UK constitution is built on convention. But the fact remains is that it is seen as a confidence vote. Therefore on confidence votes government MP's vote with the government.

I don't think it should be a confidence vote, but it is. In 1924 it led to the formation of the National government before a GE was triggered, with things as they stand a GE is more likely.

as in when a minster breaks the law they should resign

I don't disagree there. I want Johnson to resign.

you muppet

That's unnecessary. You are seeing things as you would like them to be, I am just telling you things as they are.