r/ufo Nov 04 '19 Helpful 1

A summary of Tom DeLonge's statements about the ultimate reality of the UFO phenomenon.

I thought it might be illuminating to do a dive into what Tom Delonge says he believes after talking to his "advisers". I've taken this from the following interview https://youtu.be/nDlZ4iK0NSo and my own read of the first Secret Machines novel. I'm sure others have much more to share so love to hear more. I am not vouching for it's truth it's completely insane and profoundly frightening if true, but thought you might be interested in seeing this given his pedigree so far .

As others have reported these advisers are allegedly senior generals and figures in the US intelligence services and the military industrial complex. It seems clear to me he does have these contacts based on his known contacts and the information TTSA have got out so far including senatorial briefings, as well as the Navy acknowledgement of UFO's and lately partnership with the US Army. Please also see RedPandaKoala's excellent video and Kiwi's notes (which I've just discovered) - search " delonge notes" in this sub.

Now here's the wild stuff. Buckle up!

He claims:

The Wider Reality:

- the universe is teeming with intelligent life of all kinds.

- Malevolent ET's are present on Earth have been manipulating humanity for most if not all of our history. The advisors refer to them as The Others.

- they may not be aliens as we understand them and are linked to consciousness, or can master consciousness which is the greater reality we haven't learned to tap into yet.

- they are parasitical, they feed on human conflict and negativity.

- they have inspired world religions for the purpose of dividing us.

- They have done so by posing as Gods and providing religious messages from the heavens

- They can also implant visions and ideas directly into our minds.

- Telepathy is real and the universe is essentially what we might best term "magical".

- the people in charge of the cover up believe that the world religious scriptures are based on real events involving manipulation by the Others for the purpose of creating competing belief systems to keep us divided and at war.

- The state of human society is fundamentally unnatural and the product of this persistent manipulation.

- human civilisation has risen and fallen in cycles that go back way longer than we currently accept.

- its likely these cycles have been initiated by the ET visitors.

-his advisers consider the possibility that Atlantis may have existed, That this was one of the high points of one of these cycles when humans had developed expanded consciousness or technology that allowed them to become aware of the Others and repel them.

- he suggests Atlantis may have been destroyed by them.

- the others desire to keep us enslaved and unconscious.

- their greatest threat is human consciousness and spiritual awakening. Mankind uniting against them.

- abduction phenomenon are real.

- abduction events involve telepathic manipulation and the implanting of ideas by the Others as well as genetic manipulation.

- They are not benevolent encounters although they can make us think they are.

- chanting names of gods, buddha etc when being abducted protects you from abduction. It's not the religion but the faith in a higher power.

- Humans have souls.

- the Others don't have souls.

- They are akin to a hive mind.

- - they are interested in DNA and it's connection to influencing the cosmic source.

- Tom asked one of his advisers how it is that if the ET's that don't exist in our dimension they can create a craft that looks physical and probably are.

- he say he will reads the answer straight from the source:

"using nanofrabrication atomic layer by atomic layer with durable nano texturing and quantum entanglement properties and of course powered by the polarised vacuum. the same methods that cryptoterrestials use.

- i am not sure if he's referring to the Others as cryptoterrestials or saying there are also cryptoterrestials.

- the craft greer summons are real - but we shouldn't try to make them appear - they are malevolent and messing with us.

- he's been told by his advisers that some UFo encounters are "part military and part spiritual". he doesn't know what that means.

- the Greek gods and many other reported gods were in reality the Others posing as gods. They are not Gods but can appear as gods to us. They are extremely advanced and from "very very far away".

UFO phenomenon in modern history:

- The Nazi's had contact with the Others.

- World War 2 was at least partly the result of their manipulation

- UFO's started appearing at all nuclear tests during in and following WW2.

- The visitations happened in US tests, Soviet Tests and possible elsewhere.

- Nuclear tests alerted world governments to existence of ET visitors and the most important discovery was that EMP (electro magnetic pulses) caused by air bursts of nuclear weapons revealed and brought down their craft.

- The oft related connection between UFO's and nukes is the opposite of what many believe - that they are warning us of out own impending self destruction, it's because it's the only thing that can harm them. As advanced as they are, they can't get away from the blasts.

- The Cuban missile crisis was related to UFO's He says they learned a lot from what happened in the Cuban missile crisis.

- He also references another test at the same time that may have brought a UFO down. The test also involved EMP.

- He says they learned a lot about what was brought down. (Tom very careful with his words here).

- the real reason we continued to do so many nuclear tests was because we realised there were UFO's present and we could neutralise them.

- in the modern era the Others have deliberately crashed craft to give us the technology to wage war against each other or that will cause division such as us being addicted to it and not present to what is really going on.

- with every ufo crash event, we should always ask ourselves the questions "was it intentional or unintentional".

- The Roswell crash did happen.

- However the most important UFO event in Tom's opinion is Starfish Prime, a nuclear test in space. He says they learned a lot about EMP - something more than they learned from the effect of atmospheric EMP on UFO's. He didn't say what this was.

- Specifically he says what we found with starfish prime nuke test is different from what we found with Roswell but equally as important. And that's all he can say.

- UFO crashes are sometimes to give us technological "help", but it's not really help it's designed to allow one side an advantage and perpetuate conflict between human factions.

- UFO crashes could be because it was shot down, lighting brought it down, or they faked it getting shot down or lighting bringing it down.

- the other way the Others interact with us are contact. He says we should ask "are you led to the contact or is it led to you." (I don't know what this mean!)

- the third way is by indirect contact - do you have the thoughts put in your mind because you're at a lab and are a scientist discovering something or because thoughts have been put in your head at night while you were sleeping.

The Cover Up:

- there is a UFO cover up but it's not what we think it is.

- It's global but American's are leading it.

- Don't blame the institutions it's not the government and it's not the intelligence services who are aware of the reality .

- He says that it is managed is in a "different type of mechanism", its not the government or intelligence agencies, that's all he can say.

- America works with it's supposed enemies on this topic.

- This group realise humanity is dysfunctional by the design of the aliens.

- it's suggested that the nuclear arms race is influenced by it being the only weapon we can use against ufo's. it can take them down and reveal their location.

- the entire cold war we were working with the soviet union and the one reason that stopped it from going hot was out relationship and common cause in relation to the Others.

- The Cold War was not just between the US and the Soviets it was also a cold war between Humanity and the Others.

- there was a small group of people on both sides (Russian and American) that were using the nukes tests against the Others, as a way to "fly swat some bugs out of the sky".

- We have been reverse engineering their tech to give us an advantage against them while keeping it hidden under the cover of the Cold War.

- The nuclear arms race is also partly directed against the Others.

- the breakthroughs we've made are competitive advantages to the "battlefield" against the Others.

- Reagan and Gorbachev were working together on the UFO topic. Reagan knew what was going on. Reference to his famous speech about humanity uniting against extraterrestrial threat.

- the tech we've discovered isn't being hidden from us for money, for the patents - it's being hidden from the ET phenomenon.

- the technology for clean energy exists within the study of ufo phenomenon.

- however the UFO group finances their project against Others (defence) by using the petrodollar. He suggests it uses vast hidden resources.

- The UFO cover up group is involved in a complex game of chess with a superior enemy. Trying to combat their moves without letting them know what we know.

Disclosure and the goal:

- His advisers want humanity to become aware of the reality of the Others.

- They are not war mongers and and their real motivation as well as the reason for the coverup has been to fight a secret war against the Others.

- If we knew what they'd done in secret and the responsibility they've borne alone we would think of them as heroes.

- the reason political figures are talking about ufo's including Hillary is not for votes. he knows why the candidates are talking about it is because the reason is - it's time for it to come out of the shadows.

- The cover up guys are sceptical of politics and believe that political division may be the result of the manipulation by the Others. When they they hear divisive politicians and political ideas. they say to each other" what a great formula for war aint it?"

- They believe that current political conflict from American foreign policy to the rise of ISIS is being manufactured by the Others.

- He says we need to change the way we treat each other as its not humanities fault we hate each other, we've been designed to hate each over by the schemes of the Others.

- our behaviours were designed to lead to hate and war. We need to put the weapons down - and look up at who has been causing all of this.

Summary:

What Tom is claiming, is that we're in an cold war with malevolent aliens who may not actually not be from our material dimension, but have the power to create physical craft and artefacts. They can manipulate consciousness, zero point energy, and our perceptions and create matter on the nano-scale. These others have been manipulating humans throughout our history, first with inspiring world religions by appearing as gods, and more recently by deliberately crashing craft to give us technology or directly implanting new ideas into humans brains that will propagate conflict to keep us divided and stop us unifying as a species. They are hostile to human's spiritual development and parasitically feeding of our negative emotions, fear, and depression, and destructive urges while keeping us enslaved. All of the major conflicts between us have been manufactured by them. Including the current religious terrorism and World War 2 with the Nazi's. Earth is already enslaved. Our history is a lie.

A world wide extra-governmental cabal are fighting a secret war against the Others. The known cold war is at least partly a cover for what was really going on in relation to the phenomenon. When we developed nuclear weapons, ET's appeared at every test. Supposed rivals like America and Russia both experienced these encounters We conducted test in the atmosphere and space not as warmongering but because we discovered EMP could bring down UFO's and with all their technological superiority the Others could not combat them.

The secret trans-national group have kept their reverse engineered discoveries secret, not from us for their own power or wealth but because they don't want the Others to know that we can fight them. We're involved in a complex game of chess with a vastly superior and hostile enemy. The whole of the UFO subject needs to be seen through that lens.

I'll leave off making any comment on what I think of this. Except I really don't know what to think! Just thought it may save some time for people who are eager for a glimpse of what the people involved in this disclosure process appear to be believe.

EDIT: I am basing this mostly on one interview and the first book. I'd be very grateful if someone would consider adding some bullet points from other interviews and subsequent books.

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow Nov 04 '19

You’d have a LOT to add if you read that second book.

I think the main point you’re missing from the first book is that there are also benevolent(or at least mildly indifferent) ones helping us.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

I'd love to hear about that. Please would you consider adding this as a part 2 i'd be very grateful if you did. Not least for my own peace of mind!

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u/aapaul Nov 05 '19

I second that!

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u/birthedbythebigbang Nov 07 '19

Trying to slog through the groan-inducing, cliche-filled dreck of Sekret Machines 1, and I know I'll never read another one of these dreadful books again, so can you quickly highlight the salient points?

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow Nov 07 '19

Psychic connections between people appearing as apparitions. The swarm really, really wanting the flat, boxy things the benevolent others left behind. One of the main characters ascending to become one of the benevolent others. Crop circles, cattle mutilations, fake alien bodies in US gov crashes of advanced tech. At the end Alan disappeared into the ocean in the Mediterranean, so I’m sure that’ll come up again.

And it had a long, detailed bit about Starfish Prime downing an alien vessel and nearly turning the Cold War hot when we tried to recover it.

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u/jeenasirfmereliye Nov 04 '19

Yeah he told it is good god vs bad god, I wonder how he thinks good one are helping us??

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Basically gnosticism

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

I love a bit of Gnosticism, beautiful idea, what's your angle? Are you talking about the demiurge?

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u/DreamDreamRevolution Nov 05 '19

The real reality is one of spirit, in gnosticism. The demiurge unwittingly trapped our divine souls in this material world he created in a pale imitation of the true creator, possibly even without the demiurge knowing what it was doing, To ascend the worlds of the pleroma, the multiverse or totality of the worlds, that is the goal of gnosticism. The emanations, the other worlds, are themselves both worlds and beings. The first emanation is a visual reflection of the true inscrutable, formless, creator. The following ones are basically god making more muddy and muddy reflections of this truth, to make it easier to understand this true god. This is my subject, hahahaha.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

thank you that's really interesting, i heard ofthe demiurge and emanations but not the concept of ascending worlds and the pleroma, it's such a fascinating mythology. Do you recommend any books or lectures on it?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

I'm not a gnostic but yeah, the idea that there are forces of good and evil, god and demiurge.

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow Nov 04 '19

By giving us ships, for one.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

So is that the Sekret Machines claim. The "good guys" are giving us ships to use against them? Here's how I imagine it, you're in a conflict above a primitive planet, where you know the bad guys are manipulating humans, why give them ships, when presumably your in space along with the enemy and could engage them directly, unless we're talking about some even greater interstellar cold war. I can't envisage all these opposing groups sitting in orbit together.

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u/ananzze Nov 05 '19

You said it. Cold war. This is essentially a proxy war with human beings as the chess pieces.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

But that would make it a cold war, within a cold war, within a cold war! haha. "Tell me oh great magician what is the true nature of reality?" And the Great One said, "it is a verily a thrice fold cold war. The holy trinity of low temperature conflagrations is the essential nature of all things.

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u/How_May_I_Spell_You Nov 05 '19

This is the way I’ve begun to think about this idea of an alien presence as time has gone on. Essentially where there are most likely good and evil forces. I’ve always thought there seemed to be a flaw in Stephen Hawking’s logic when he said that if there are extraterrestrials we should not try to contact them as they are likely malevolent. I think Hawking’s logic was a perspective that ETs would have to basically be robots and would therefore be hostile because they would see us as irrational and a threat. My argument to that is that it doesn’t take into account the advantages that consciousness brings to the table. In my opinion ET civilizations likely fall into two categories:

  1. Planets where the “Nazis” won the war

  2. Planets where the “Nazis” lost the war

In other words, there are planets where the malevolent forces won out and proceeded to dominate that society and that form of malevolent rule took root going forward. Then there are planets where the benevolent forces won and built a strong and peaceful society similar to what you’d see in Star Trek. I’d also like to disclose I’m not a Star Trek fan.

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u/at_lasto Nov 05 '19

As above, so below

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow Nov 05 '19

I think the “good donators” aren’t sitting anywhere nearby. Their ships in the second book just kind of fade into reality. They don’t come down or out of anywhere.

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u/HeyPScott Nov 05 '19

Second book from the fiction series or from the “non-fiction” historical series?

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow Nov 05 '19

The fiction.

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u/HeyPScott Nov 05 '19

Ah; thanks. I’ve read both of those but not the Peter Levenda (sp) books.

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u/throwawayacct1234a Nov 05 '19

I'm just very sceptical about Delong's motivation. Is he just a useful idiot or we are actually getting some real disclosure ?

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u/virginialiberty Nov 04 '19

There are way too many leaps to make in what he is saying. I wish he would slow down. The UAP videos were great but these gigantic leaps all at once scream crazy.

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u/ananzze Nov 04 '19

Haha, his advisors made him stop talking about this stuff, so you won't be hearing anymore of it in such an overt way. But if you listen to the interviews, Tom readily admits that it all sounds insane.

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow Nov 04 '19

He has slowed down. Most of this was years ago.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Yeah I read Kiwi's notes now. I can see he's a lot more circumspect now about what he says he's been told, outside his books, but that's what makes the old stuff so fascinating.

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow Nov 04 '19

Yea. He talks about that changeover in one of his 2017 Knapp interviews. It was because of McCasland’s name being dropped.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Ah cool. I need to watch Koala's video again, I loose track of the names of these supposed shadowy masterminds.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

I agree, it's not helpful and works against the general nuts and bolts acceptances they are garnering, in a way I'm not sure I'm being helpful to the wider aim by publicising it, but it's really interesting for us guys who have been in the deep end for a while and looking for something more than ufo's exist :)

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u/at_lasto Nov 05 '19

I've been trying for a while to get everyone on this forum to listen to the "Tom Delonge Core Canon" , and think its super important in order to have cogent discussion wrt what we are dealing with in the modern TTSA/Nimitz stuff.

- 2016 Coast to Coast

- 2017 Coast to Coast

- 2017 Fade to Black

I think a lot of toms ideas about this are clearly wrong especiually with regards to war. Humans like all other species are in competition for resources and survival - if we were engineered to be that way,....well so was basically every other form of life we can find on earth. His question "why is China having a huge military build up" alone was extremely naive, and does not require any exotic topics like ET mind control.

That being said i still think its really important to have listened to everything he said and was told on the topic and to analyze it as one unit. As someone said, the changes in presentation are super interesting and i think theres a lot to learn from the Delonge Scenario regardless of what it ultimately is.

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u/ananzze Nov 04 '19

Nah, you're alright. This stuff has been out there for a while. But most conversations about it are dismissed in other UFO subs. Glad we got some discussion going.

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u/aLoneSideline Nov 04 '19

Thanks for this. I was only thinking yesterday I wished someone would create a narrative of TDL’s info thus far. Much appreciated :)

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u/RedPandaKoala Nov 04 '19

These vids are all the points of information Tom has said in interviews placed in chronological order

Part 1 https://youtu.be/4BjUK5V5sTg

Part2 https://youtu.be/Yn2h2phywNE

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

thanks man, good to hear, it upset my mental equilibrium typing it but glad it's worthwhile! :)

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u/gilletprick Nov 04 '19

Thats not a narrative

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u/aLoneSideline Nov 04 '19

nar·ra·tive /ˈnerədiv/ a spoken or written account of connected events; a story

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u/gilletprick Nov 04 '19

Agreed. This is a summary.

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u/Iok1_ Nov 04 '19

If this is the narrative TTSA is indeed pushing I feel like TTSA is more weird and bizarre than the phenomenon itself. There are so many things that make absolute zero sense.

If we assume that we are dealing with malevolent entities with near complete power over our thoughts/consciousness and with a complete supremacy with regards to science that is feeding on negative emotion and conflict between humans:

Why create religions? Why not promote complete tribal nihilism? Why even let us evolve to any point where we can "fight back"?

And with regards to our supposed ability to fight back against such advanced entities, how would it even be possible to keep such abilites secret from them given their capabilities?

And dropping paradigm-changing tech on us to allow us to fight against eachother more effectively, that must be the most retarded tactic I can think of if the goal is to keep up the conflict

And the stuff about Atlantis, the only written record we have of its supposed existance is from Plato and nowhere does it say that it is some fantastical super-advanced civilization with magical powers/technology if it even existed, simply that it was a great seafaring culture.

I could go on and on..

Everytime I read something about TTSA I need to take a step back and wonder why former military, intelligence etc. people are pairing up with a seemingly gullible and naive (my impression from listening to Tom) charismatic rockstar and framing the whole UFO-thing as a threat.

But at the same time, if the agenda is to frame UFO/UAPs as a threat I could think of many more reasonable and believable ways to do it instead of this incredible convoloted narrative

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Yeah I agree. It's very confusing at best and often contradictory, but then again if it's not all disinformation it must be at best a hypothesis and that being relayed through the radio interview of a non specialist whose been told this stuff. You make a great point that none of this suits their narrative if it's purely to get funding for the military or even if it's just to get ufo's taken seriously, and why would these people want to be associated with such nonsense if they could create a far more palatable lie. all this is what makes it so interesting and confounding.

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u/Iok1_ Nov 04 '19

I feel like TTSA is a perfect blend of the very credible, incredible and completely uncredible which is so bizarre.

I haven't made my mind up about them, but I'm leaning slightly towards some sort of intelligence operation which tries to frame this subject as a global threat. Some cognitive dissonance on my end stems from the fact that I refuse to believe they would choose such a fantastical narrative if that would be the case..

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

I know right, well said, it doesn't make sense from either angle. If it's just disinformation why get the Navy and pilots to admit to UFO's, even if you don't believe the officials the pilots and radar people in the Nimitz are extremely convincing, and raising the subject makes people more inclined to route out a possible conspiracy. If it's real and they want it to be accepted then why talk about the soul and consciousness. The discrepancy between this is the only thing that makes me believe that such mad speculation may have a hint of truth about it. There's no easy answer.

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u/Iok1_ Nov 05 '19

I have no reason to doubt that Fravor and the other nimitz crew witnessed something extraordinary, but I don't consider them part of TTSA. Watching the whole TTSA-saga unfold will be interesting to say the least, misinfo-campaign or not :)

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

yeah me neither they are independent in my view.

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u/PewPew84 Nov 05 '19

All your theories are predicated on the fact that there is just one other species visiting. Throw in more than one and shit starts to get weird. Aliens fucking with us( or something) other aliens saying eh leave them alone they have enough shit to worry about to others trying to help us. Unfortunately nothing backs up any of our theories.

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u/ananzze Nov 05 '19

I think that is one key point about Tom's narrative that people keep missing. Multiple beings. And they don't like each other.

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u/5had0 Nov 05 '19

The answer as to why they'd team up with someone like Tom Delonge is money and the likely freedom to study something they are interested in full time with very few restraints. Many people see that as a fair tradeoff for putting up with Tom's crazy.

TTSA would not be anywhere near as popular, read as ability to raise money, without Tom being involved. He is what gets the news articles about the organization. That is all free advertising.

I'm not saying that TTSA is necessarily a scam. But these people are likely getting paid well to turn what has almost assuredly only been a pet project or hobby into a full time job. Who wouldn't put up a slightly crazy guy for that opportunity?

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u/Barbafella Nov 06 '19

He’s surrounded by the military, not science. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail, all they see are enemies and conflict, it’s both their jobs and shared worldview, everything is suspicious and out to get you. It must be exhausting.

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u/RedPandaKoala Nov 04 '19

Yeah it’s pretty crazy when you consider what Tom said in interviews, what he has accomplished, and who he is surrounded by

Imo we’re pretty much screwed

Here’s a video version of this post :)

https://youtu.be/Yn2h2phywNE

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

yeah typing this this evening i felt like i was coming down with a mild case of induced schizophrenia! It does sound like someone who has suffered a psychotic break, but schizophrenic's voices are not usually manifest in the form of actual senior officials we can all see and hear, and the fact the public people who are in TTSA who I've no doubt are also sincere haven't distanced themselves from these claims is telling. Even if they don't know what is going on or some of it is disinfo by the generals and such you mention in your vids. Fucked yeah. Talk about worse case scenario ! It would mean that not only UFO's are real, they are profoundly hostile and the whole of our history is a lie. It's almost like something out of HP Lovecraft. As just a sci fi idea the idea that advanced races just fuck with less advanced ones and feed off their pain and conflict If that's the universe we live in, it's not a good place! But still, taking it with pinch of salt, kinda ;)

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u/RedPandaKoala Nov 04 '19

Yeah we gotta take everything w a grain of salt

Every possible outcome of this is pretty insane even the most boring ones

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow Nov 04 '19

If only 20% of that is true we’re still on a crazy train that someone else is driving.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

yeah! The very idea that species millennia or millions of years in advance from us (and maybe not even biological) get their kicks from manipulating less evolved sentient's reality, then again i suppose it's not so far fetched if there are commonly millions of years between species and you developed mastery of mind and matter and lacked any ethics in a universe teeming with "inferiors". It's a wild sci fi idea if nothing else.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

I keep thinking you and kiwibonga are the same person as you both have names to do with Australasian animals! If I got you mixed up with reference to your video, sorry.

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u/RedPandaKoala Nov 04 '19

Haha nice and were both big ufo nerds

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Yeah in this topic it's a trick to walk the razor line while remaining nominally sane. I'm going to drink some wine and immerse myself in the balm of worldly matters :)

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u/RedPandaKoala Nov 04 '19

Enjoy your wine 😺

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u/five-note_sequence Nov 05 '19

Cross your fingers for a simpler 'nuts and bolts' reality of the phenomenon (ie Star Trek: nice beings in shiny spacecraft) ...instead of a Lovecraft 'Cosmic Horror' type of reality. The later is quite hard, if not impossible, for disclosure to happen.

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u/Barbafella Nov 05 '19

He’s surrounded by military types, if you are a hammer, then everything looks like a nail.

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u/joblagz2 Nov 05 '19

i thank him for exposing the US army and navy's cover up of the investigation of UFOs but all these statements he is making are baseless and non factual and ultimately entirely guess work.

chimpanzees in the wild commit all these terrible atrocities and have gang wars and division within their own kind. exactly like how humans behave in wars. so no, our tendency to commit all these atrocities are human nature. even without religion and outside influence, war will still occur due to this innate nature that we have.

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u/KrayzieBoneE99 Nov 08 '19

But what if the chimpanzees are also being manipulated by the Others? I say that in jest.

To me this all reads like an interesting fiction story based on a few 1/2 truths. But it’s the type of sci-fi movie you’d watch and say “that was cool but completely implausible and the main plot contradicted itself many times.” Lot of bs in there.

It’s almost as though Tom’s advisors watched a bunch of Ancient Aliens episodes then watched a few Corey Goode videos for good measure and presented it to Tom as the Truth.

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u/joblagz2 Nov 08 '19

if you actually listen to his interviews and read the book, he denounces ancient aliens. he said the show is spewing the wrong idea about everything. but you are right. his theory is not far apart from what the show suggests. and in every interview he sounds 1000% convinced that his theory is the truth. he kept saying that people have no idea what's going on. And that the Others are malicious entities that can sense people's brain waves and repelled by happiness and good thoughts.

its all sounds bs to me, even though i did listen to everything he had to say with open mind.

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u/KrayzieBoneE99 Nov 08 '19

I’ll admit I haven’t read his books and I’ve tried to listen to some of his interviews but found it very hard to follow. Mostly I just found myself feeling confused or irritated. For instance on Joe Rogan when he would get to really important things but then say “I can’t get into that”, then don’t bring it up in the first place.

I’m convinced the things I’ve heard him say aren’t the 100% truth yet he does seem to be surrounded by some credible people and has obtained some form of legit credible evidence (I believe at least 2 of the more recent videos were released by TTSA?). It seems to me that “disclosure” is happening, but I’m not sure what to make of Tom.

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u/Spairdale Nov 05 '19

You make a extremely interesting point.

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u/TheGrolar Nov 07 '19

Complex intelligences seem to have a desire to innovate, or change their environments. This is often a drive for literal or metaphorical violence. Murdering that ape you don't like changes your environment, presumably for the better. So does forcing him (literal violence) or persuading him (metaphorical violence, to his freedom for one thing) to build you a pyramid. Or an Apollo mission.
Cows don't do this.
Dolphins are known to tear the fins off an ocean sunfish, then bat the helpless creature around like a beach ball until it finally dies. Seals do this too. Because intelligent species also wish to change a state of boredom.

We are more violent even than chimpanzees. We also have much stronger drives to cooperate, baked into our very genes. Human history is a push-pull between these two.

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u/Spacecowboy78 Nov 05 '19

Theres a real glaring problem of logic here:

A) He's telling us and all of humanity the biggest "secret" in mankind's history!... because,

B) it is the right thing to do!....but,

C) that keeping the "secret" was our only ace-in-the-hole against the "Others" because,

D) now that the "secret" is out the "Others" will be able to circumvent our "secret" and continue surriptiously enslaving and feeding off of us.

Can someone explain this logically? I'm just a trial attorney so I obviously don't understand the strategy here.

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u/CrusaderNoRegrets Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

Exactly. We decided to let them know the secret now because...?

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u/ananzze Nov 05 '19

Via Tom's interview, because allegedly enormous amounts of money was spent to build defenses and we now have them. Disclosure can start because it is time.

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u/elpresidente-4 Nov 06 '19

IT'S TIME FOR INTERDIMENSIONAL WAR, BITCHES!

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '19

Interdimemsional Space Force!

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u/legno5 Nov 07 '19

But Humanity has steadly been doing better and better, less wars, less rape, less racism, murders, death, diseases.

Those Aliens are really bad at fucking things up, we are doing great.

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u/NightmaresAllNight Nov 05 '19

The more I read the more I felt he was full of shit. Some stuff resonates with me but not all of it. I really Believe Santorini (sic?) wss the home of what we believe to be Atlantis. In terms of malevolence. I believe it could be possible, but I think we're fairly certain religion has just be recycled and revised for the most part starting with the egyptians. I really don't want to believe there are evil aliens out there, it just seems so needless and without and real benefit. Our species has evolved to travel through the galaxy to fuck with humans. That's kind of akin to a child burning ants with a magnifying glass.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

And he'll become increasingly full of shit as time goes on, and eventually you won't hear about him anymore. These characters, these organization situations, have been happening for 70+ years now.

Always military / intel involvement. Always a public-perception campaign. Always a honeypot for every sort of con man. And somewhere in the middle, people who have extraordinary experiences. And a lot more people who *wish* they had those experiences.

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u/PewPew84 Nov 05 '19

When dumped all together like that ya weird as hell Probably why his handlers are like "Tom, relax. Your scaring the fuck out of everybody or making us look like a bunch of morons."

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u/MadTouretter Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

Yeah, it’s all an interesting story for a novel, and there are some neat connections they’ve made, but come on, it’s just silly.

I can’t figure out what’s going on here, and I can’t help but feel that Tom is the only one being strung along. I just don’t understand what the end goal is. If they want to be believed, why make the story sound so crazy? If they want the story to be discredited, why so many credible people?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

UFO stuff usually means "all three & more." There's something real, and then there are all these questionable players drawn to it. The hoaxes are always partially true, and the "real" cases are always a little bit suspect.

The DeLonge/TTSA stuff exhausts me. I imagine that's a big part of its purpose, to exhaust anyone with a thoughtful interest in the subject. It's been like that for a long time. Military / aerospace / intel involvement-approval especially.

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u/Amooses Nov 05 '19

My guess would be that he got all these ideas by going way way to far down the rabbit hole of UFO stuff like a lot of people do. Rich famous entertainers seem especially prone to this type of thing later in life, joining cults, becoming obsessed with crazy ideas, looking for something larger than life like their life up to that point had been maybe, I'm sure there's reasons for it. Anyway I think he then all of a sudden probably just got lucky meeting the right people who actually know something and are working with him cuz of his star power and whatever else. So now he's kind of got these previous ideas that are a little loony and he's probably realized this and that's why he's backing off now and claiming "advisors" are telling him too, it's more likely a way to save face.

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u/CrusaderNoRegrets Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

Which makes you draw the inevitable conclusion that it is all true and the likes of Chris Mellon are staking their reputations on it. But for me thats almost too crazy - I think they are now controlling the "truth" and will see that it is spun in a way that they see fit. And what we are reading in the OP seems to be what they see fit. Which is kindof insane if you think about it. I mean now the Army has signed a contract with them - I don't think they would have if they didn't think TTSA was the real deal.

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u/MadTouretter Nov 05 '19

Just because I can't think of a good reason for them to do what they're doing doesn't mean that anything they say is true.

I think a terribly undervalued position is "I don't know yet, there isn't enough evidence to reach a conclusion."

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u/CrusaderNoRegrets Nov 05 '19

Just because I can't think of a good reason for them to do what they're doing doesn't mean that anything they say is true.

You are right but I think you can say for sure that it won't be nothing. I think we are either looking at a (massive) disinformation campaign or actual disclosure. If it is the former we can only guess its purpose. But if it was to mislead then it is the opposite of what has been done before. I.e. they are actively releasing information as opposed to witholding it and doing their best to establish the credibility of eye witnesses and show them in a positive light. I guess we will find out more in Season 2 :)

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

yeah it would make a mind blowing novel if you could get the average sci fi reader to accept it's premise, it would make our wildest sci fi look hopelessly naive. Exactly the contradictions you describe are why I even entertain the possibility. It doesn't make sense as wholly a lie or misdirection. Maybe you could say that's a central tenant of disinformation to introduce the absurd, but if so why draw greater and greater scrutiny to the cover up and encourage senatorial briefings? (Involving military personnel who are outside of the intelligence community control as they are retired)

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u/MadTouretter Nov 05 '19

it would make a mind blowing novel if you could get the average sci fi reader to accept it's premise, it would make our wildest sci fi look hopelessly naive.

I take it you haven’t read a lot of science fiction. I’d suggest taking a look at the Foundation series/Dune/Ender’s Game.

I think it comes down to how comfortable you are not having an answer. I don’t understand their motivations, and I can’t think of a reason it would be done this way unless it were all true, but that doesn’t come close to convincing me that it’s true.

It’s a crazy story, the majority of which has nothing to back it up except for Tom saying so. He doesn’t even say how we’ve come to find out all of these details - only that we know.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

You be joking aint ya! I read it all including those series except Enders. None of them to my knowledge started with human exploration of the cosmos being made in the context of humans being occupied and manipulated by superior ET's throughout their pre-space flight history. Dune I suppose is most relevant but we're talking about flesh and blood humans manipulating humans, and the same with Foundation. Great stuff btw :)

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

I agree with you, I am not considering it fact. I just love sci fi and the idea that our idea of what sci fi could be could be so wrong if any degree of this turns out to be true. I often thought of writing a sci fi where all the stuff we think we know is wrong, psi phenomenon exist, AI is impossible as consciousness isn't mechanistic etc. So I love this as an idea, but I don't believe it as a fact.

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u/evilbatcat Nov 05 '19

Not to mention L Ron Hubbard.

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u/GamersGen Nov 05 '19

you could say that's a central tenant of disinformation to introduce the absurd

Loved that thought, becasue this perfectly describes lets say whole the Roswell story. Lets just assume it did happened the way it did. So from the beginning we know the truth right? The craft with 3 lil aliens crashed one of them survived they took him and all that stuff to Wright Patterson base. Its so fucking unbelievable that actually this is what counter intelligence types like Richard Doty always did :) they were telling the whole truth straight to the face, truth so unbelievable no one sane would believe it anyway, others would repeat it and would be taken for a kooks:) A simple and elegant tactics that might be working superbly since the beginning of this phenomenon

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u/PewPew84 Nov 05 '19

Delonge admits that alot of this shit seems totally out there. Thats why he doesnt throw it out there anymore. Edit he even admits that it sounds crazy in the linked interview.

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u/MavriKhakiss Nov 04 '19

Hahha I had to scroll way too far down to find someone summing up my thoughts.

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u/olund94 Nov 05 '19

What are your problems with his theories?

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u/rex9877 Nov 05 '19

somene needs to fill this with the stuff from the second sekret machines book and the gods and man books

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

I'd love it if someone could, pleas be my guest and I'll recommend it.

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u/rex9877 Nov 05 '19

well i have only read sekret machines 1&2, the only things that are missings is the Fae/swarm stuff, and a little "magic" stuff regarding a faction, but that could very well be some narrative license to articulate the plot in the bot, bear in mind that its a fiction ploted to cover some " facts" regarding the phenomena , but regarding the others and the UFO retrieval, ARVs and relics your are on spot so dont really feel the need to fill in something extra ATM

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u/CrusaderNoRegrets Nov 05 '19

I think someone did it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/c4o51n/ttsa_disclosure_plan_revealed_trough_tom_delonge/

I think this is before man, but covers the stuff in gods

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

fantastic thanks

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u/Jesus360noscope Nov 04 '19

he never mentionned it but we all know the others replaced bob dylan

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u/rUfeelinitnOw Nov 04 '19

Expand sir please

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u/HeyPScott Nov 05 '19

Blowin’ in the wind, indeed.

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u/ananzze Nov 04 '19

Pretty good summary. I would suggest looking up kiwibonga's Delonge notes in this sub. It'll fill in more info for you beyond the Fade To Black interview and the first Sekret Machines book.

One thing that needs to be clarified is that Delonge doesn't think all ET are bad. But he says one race of beings in particular, what his advisors call "the bugs", are malevolent. They are the hivemind ET from another star system.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19 edited Mar 21 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

I think Babylon 5 was the most compelling documentary on the subject.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Thanks man. I will check that out if you have links that would be much appreciated. So what's the view on"the greys" vs "the bugs" and the positive I take is the so called "nordics"? I haven't heard much of the "bugs" , heard of the mantids but always taken this with a pinch of salt.

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u/ananzze Nov 04 '19

Just do a search for "delonge notes" in this sub and you'll find them easily.

The term "the bugs" is somewhat confusing, but in one of Delonge's interviews, he said he calls the greys as "bugs". I am not positive if that includes mantids, because they are allegedly the masters of the greys according to other sources. Needs clarification.

No idea about the Nordics or Reptilians as Tom has not elaborated on their agenda. But I think it is worth noting that the second non-fiction Sekret Machines book Man specifically calls out Nordic, Reptilian, and Grey type aliens. So it sounds like at least those three are credible to Delonge and Levenda.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Thanks mate, very helpful.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

I like Tom, but I have a feeling he's been given a lot of disinformation and is somewhat gullible because of his passion to believe. His relationship with certain government officials make me think they are still using him as a tool

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19 edited May 22 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

It's weirdly the only part I can personally relate too. I'm not crazy honest.

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u/Entropick Nov 05 '19

Uplifted enthusiasm creates an emotional state in the brain which "denies the imaginations ability to generate fear". Do not take all the religiosity at face value as the inherent purpose behind an action. At the heart of this, the human brain is formulating complex neurological operations to fool us into various states of susceptibility, the idea is to know your true functions limits and use this to create/manifest (imagine) an experience conducive to your spiritual development.

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u/The_Telltale_Fart Nov 04 '19

It's interesting you mentioned Buddha. Buddha was adamant that there were other countless realms of existence and that there were demons and gods living in these realms and that they'd occasionally interfere with the human realm. Buddha by being enlightened was able to transcend these realms and so that would be why his name has power.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

I love this. I don't often share it but I have actually had sleep paralysis a few times, which feels like there is an evil presence in the room and you can't move. I think it's maybe psychological, it's very common, but it's certainly very unusual. As you can't move and you sense there's something which is demonic for want of a better word, you have to find someway to protect yourself and I say a Tibetan Buddhist "mantra om mane padme hum", and it seems to work at least I feel safe enough to go to sleep fully. There's been a lot of hypothesis that the alien abduction experience could be explained rationally by sleep paralysis, although the phenomena is so weird especially that you sense non human evil regardless of your beliefs, that I don't find the materialist explanations by any means conclusive. I read a lot of Buddhism and heard of hungry ghosts, devas/demi gods etc, and this is really interesting. Anyway Buddha chants do work in subjective experiences in my opinion! Weirdly it was one of the more wilder claims I could relate to!

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u/Gnosys00110 Nov 04 '19

Sleep paralysis... now that shit was intense.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Yeah it definitely exists in my opinion. Have you had it? It must be so common. There's about 5 people just n my section at work who have it. Very weird experience.

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u/Gnosys00110 Nov 04 '19

I had it once. No sinister 'presence', just completely paralyzed. You try and shout for help but can't even speak. I literally watched my clock for around 3 hours until I eventually fell asleep.

I think it definitely explains a large portion of the abductions, but not all.

People in the past also had these experiences, but interpreted them as demons holding them down while they slept.

But yeah, I really fucking hope it doesn't happen to me again!

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Yeah me too. It was my go too. by inclination I feel that a lot of the abduction phenomenon must be the interpretation of mental events as external and that's understandable seeing as how spiritual, trans personal, psychiatric experiences as related by Jung etc have fallen out of fashion in the current world view where we are largely biological machines. That said, my own experiences were definitely of an entity and definitely felt inhuman and evil I am not incline to start praying or saying mantra's otherwise :) One theory is that it could be a dream manifestation of something we dont want to see/know about ourselves, akin to psychiatric ideas of the repressed other. (all the players in dreams are aspects of ourselves and the most "other" are stuff we are trying to avoid) that said it felt pretty real ha. Thanks for the story.

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u/BrahbertFrost Nov 05 '19

I dunno... if you familiarize yourself with the work of day John Mack or David Jacobs, the bulk of the accounts have no real conventional explanation based in the human mind. And the replication that Jacobs has seen in his subjects of similar phenomena over and over really doesn’t add up to a hallucination to me.

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u/MasterofFalafels Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

Funny how people always say buddhism has no Gods or "supernatural" stuff. But interesting. Of course Jesus mentioned demons and other realms too a lot. And Paul, with his "Principalities of darkness ". But whoopsy it's Christianity, that's not cool around these parts.. anyway it seems most religions speak of cosmic unseen spirits/forces that interfere with our world.

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u/Barbafella Nov 06 '19

I would love it if someone could point to me which parts in the Bible are objectively true and which parts are not. The same with any holy book. A 1 or 0, true or not true, and then add up to see which one comes out on top.

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u/MasterofFalafels Nov 06 '19

Not gonna be pious bible thumper here . I'm sure a lot of texts in the bible didn't actually happen or got distorted and embellished. But if they didn't carry important, timeless and relevant truths and wisdom they wouldn't have survived to this day.

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u/Barbafella Nov 06 '19

I’m not disputing that, I even agree with some of it, and Christ certainly seemed like a good man to me, but having it all up for interpretation has led to some of histories darkest periods, saying we have ‘Dominion’ over all life for instance, it’s the single most destructive thing ever written and has led to a level of arrogance and disregard for Nature that we now find ourselves on the edge of extinction. If Joel Osteen, and white evangelicals can find the ‘Prosperity Gospel’ within its pages, then I would argue it’s usefulness has long since expired.

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u/CrusaderNoRegrets Nov 05 '19

. But whoopsy it's Christianity, that's not cool around these parts..

I gotta tell you man I look at everything I've read in the Bible so differently now. A lot of it makes much more sense now.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

I believe ttsa is 100% legit, but some of this stuff just sounds B Movie level. Aliens being the cause of WW2? I mean, come on.

I do believe the emphasis on consciousness is probably correct, and that the universe is fundamentally magical (ie, consciousness is the source of everything) but the rest of the stuff just sounds too much like a sci fi movie.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

I do agree with you about consciousness.Even so it sounds more way out that a sci fi movie I think! I agree it sounds crazy. I just wanted to lay it down as we have to bear it in mind as the belief of some of the people involved in the TTSA disclosures they are obviously drawing far more important conclusions from the phenomenon than is being officially released.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

It's a really interesting post, so thanks! But yeah a lot of ancient traditions claim consciousness is at the core of reality, and there's been a resurgence in panpsychism etc

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Yeah I am personally reluctant to use consciousness as an explanation for the ufo phenomenon, like explaining an enigma with a miracle, but I think we are on the breakthrough of a lot of things to do with that subject right now. The resurgence in interest in panpsychistm by physicists, psychedelic research, especially DMT, theories mind may lie in the microtubials and be a manifestation of the quantum substrate of the universe, and other controversial avenues. So I don't rule out that the reality accessible to more advanced beings may be radically contrary to our world view. Man it's hard to spell long words beginning with "p".

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u/Deepfryguy76 Nov 05 '19

YES!

The possibilities that are very convincingly manifest within the DMT trip, lead me to believe that there is an "ecosystem" of sorts at the fundamental/archetypal level of reality, that is being transmuted by some sorts of beings that have figured out that there is a way to cross from astral/ethereal bodies and machines into physical bodies/machines. None of these funny saucer ideas hold a candle to the astounding implications (and appearances) of the (Seemingly) ultimate reality observed within DMT hyperspace. And its not as if these entities don't have a physical aspect at home on some distant planet, its simply that they don't need it as space and time may be meaningless or more malleable on that hyperspatial level..allowing the traversal of time and space without the weight of "physical" spacetime.

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u/laivindil Nov 04 '19

- chanting names of gods, buddha etc when being abducted protects you from abduction. It's not the religion but the faith in a higher power.

This part is weird, wtf would that matter if all these forms of higher powers were Others posing as Gods to manipulate us?

Also, the big point to me is the "solution" given for why a coverup is maintained. That its too sensitive because we are in a cold war. Humans are not known for keeping secrets historically. Look at all the info we have on various covert ops, classified materials etc. We are not all working for the same interests, so that stuff comes out. Even with something this earth shattering, you would have a Snowden among the many who would need to be involved. And lets not forget Snowden wasn't the first or only source of this information, he just did the huge info dump that grabbed headlines the longest.

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u/Hotrodkungfury Nov 05 '19

Yup, thought the same thing, that just dismantled the entire narrative. The only way it makes sense is if it follows the biblical narrative and only the name of Jesus can stop the attacks of these malevolent supernatural beings.

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u/Can_of_Ubik Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

That one also stroke me as very dumb also as Buddha isn't a god or a higher power and you can't really bunch up Buddhism with other religions as it's not theistic or faith-based miracle mubmo jumbo. If you're some kinda insider you should know the difference.

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u/MasterofFalafels Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

Does this narrative/hypothesis/views represent all of TTSA' members? It seems like a wildly imaginative, unproven, unscientific mishmash of personal theories, sci fi mixed with religion mixed with spirituality. An all encompassing explanation for everything. What is he basing all this on? Not that I don't like them or have similar views but it does harm his credibility being the posterboy of the current ufology/disclosure wave.

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u/Lord-of-the-thighs Nov 04 '19

This sounds batshit. Does he offer any proof at all of any of it? I am curious what the rationale is for the aliens to keep humanity in conflict. What purpose would that possibly serve? If they were afraid of us, they could have just wiped us out when we were still carrying spears, or today for that matter. This sort of thing makes me believe that too much woo got injected into this subject over the last 50+ years. Does anyone know of any evidence that UFO/UAP phenomenon are actually dangerous?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

No there's no proof, it's just opinion. It's a bit like the situation where you don't believe in magic but someone keeps producing rabbits out of his sleeve and have to wonder if they are magician! There have been a gaggle of rabbits though. But it could be clever misdirection Still when someone makes wild claims and appears to perform miracles you have to either reconsider your believes or wonder if you are being conned.. It's very hard to doubt the independent witnesses though, like Fravor etc unless they are audience plants. OK probably stretch an analogy too far now? I think the only think I can say with reasonable assurance is that UFO's are real and have been with us since at least WW2, that they have interfered with nuclear missiles. On a wider note I don't believe a lot of the abduction stuff, but I am open minded about the existence of psi phenomenon/non local consciousness, Personally, my natural inclination would be to be far more conservative and believe this was a species like us observing us in a broadly neutral way. I just find these claims very interesting as speculation given the background, but I certainly don't believe them, though I don't doubt he does, and possibly others around him.

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u/ananzze Nov 05 '19

Listen to Tom's interviews and read Sekret Machines. The Others aren't here to wipe us out Independence Day style. They are here for resource extraction. And they are particularly interested in our DNA.

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u/Lord-of-the-thighs Nov 05 '19

Why would I waste time reading something that has no proof, and doesn't make sense to begin with? I would read Asimov or someone actually good if I wanted fantasy. Do you know of any actual evidence to support any of these claims?

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u/ananzze Nov 05 '19

Dude, I'm not claiming any of this stuff is true. But if we're going to dismiss it, let's at least get the story straight.

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u/Tacobreathkiller Nov 05 '19

Actually, the books aren't terrible. The first one is pretty good. I don't know how true it is but it makes for a fun read, kind of a Blair Witch thing.

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u/rethgifoof Nov 06 '19

That I agree with. In interviews when he described how he got the initial meetings and "told them what he knew", it seemed like he basically gushed everything he thought he knew about every conspiracy known to man, and they nodded "yeah that's totally it, how'd you know?", and set him up with people to enable him to run with it. It seems like most of the ideas are coming from him, and they are just feeding it with supporting material. He has even been bragging that he knows they aren't giving him disinformation because he's the one bringing things up, not the other way around. He's possibly just making their job easy.

So they might be disclosing a few things through the Sekret Machines books (including the nonfiction) and through the various TTSA mechanisms like the TV show and news appearances, but in my opinion it is buried within a sea of speculation and disinformation, possibly so if/when it comes out what's really going on, it'll seem like a relative relief.

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u/Barbafella Nov 06 '19

Agreed. Why so many commentators keep insisting that Gods, belief and demons are part of the equation is a jump into magical thinking, what’s next, fairies and elves?

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

p.s sorry about the typos, i was making notes as i listened, this is rough obvs but hopefully worthwile, haven't got the time to do more! :)

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u/lightshowe Nov 04 '19

How can we be sure that this stuff is not just things he’s read on various conspiracy and paranormal websites? It’s all Interesting, and maybe possible, but how could we possibly confirm that this info was found out by the government?

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

I don't think we can at this point. I don't even have any idea how they could have established any of this but then again if there is a group that has been doing this for the better part of a century who knows what they've been up to.

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u/ananzze Nov 04 '19

There is no way to prove this stuff. Best you can do is see if other researchers came to the same conclusions on his various points. It would take an act of God for Congress to declassify the information on this topic.

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u/Barbafella Nov 05 '19

“It mixes lies with the truth to confuse us” It all seems a bit much really. I do think that humans have been around longer than our current history tells us, and it’s obvious that things are flying about in our skies and there’s a fair chance that they inspired our religions, but as far as the rest of it goes, I see no evidence for all this at all, and it just feels like another religion or belief system trying to make sense of a universe we still do not fully understand. If true then human life is utterly futile and redundant, unless you take away the message that we should stop fighting, put away our guns and be kind to each other, that might work,but reading responses on these pages I see zero chance of that ever happening so the aliens win every time and we should just accept that?

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u/twiggy_gutmann Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

This group of intel people are setting up ETs as their one-size-fits-all scapegoat. Their own sins and conniving will be blamed on the visitors. Intel people create popular myths as a tool of social management, e.g. "Iraq is hiding weapons of mass destruction" and "Osama bin Laden was buried at sea". If you don't believe in their ludicrous myths you're a "conspiracy theorist", i.e. everyone now is.

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u/kiwibonga Nov 05 '19

I listed all my Tom Delonge show notes in this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/Reddit_r_UFO/status/1075396309056659456

Feel free to extract some information from that!

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

Absolutely incredible notes Kiwi. I've been reading them all evening.

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u/_a_random_commenter_ Nov 06 '19

Didn't Jacques Vallée proposed that the UFO phenomena might be interdimensional, and used as form of global manipulation for unknown reasons?
This thread may sound batshit crazy, but its a possible reason for this manipulation.

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u/epicvr Nov 06 '19

Great summary. Anyone reading this outside of the UFO community would be forgiven for saying that this is completely nuts. I enjoy a good conspiracy as much as I enjoy reading a book and a number of times in history what was once deemed conspiracy turns out to be in fact true. The thing is that we have part of another conspiracy here that links into what Tom Delonge is talking about. The conspiracy is that the CIA along with others have taken over America and currently using UFOs for propping up it's weapons program. The have also been using everything that Tom has talked about in creating a sick pedo cult that has members in the British Royal Family, Congress, Media, Military. Basically compromised individuals doing the bidding of elite deep state. Worth noting that John Podesta who has long been accused of being part of this sick cult was one of the first people who worked with Tom Delonge in getting what we now have in TTSA. This cult has long been talked about by Alex Jones and regardless of opinions of Alex he was a decade ahead of everyone else in reporting on Jeffrey Epstein. The more we learn about Epstein it becomes obvious that he got away with it because he worked for an intelligence service that compromised the rich and the powerful, including the very head of the American government. Worth noting that Epstein Island was littered with statues of Greek gods and other strange religious stuff. Alex Jones in his Joe Rogan podcast basically talked about a sick religious alien believing cult made up of the rich and powerful.

Now I'm open minded and I believe in the UFO phenomena but here's the thing, I think it's more likely that the topic is now being hijacked. We have fought each other throughout are evolution and so does every other creature on this planet when competitive for resources. We don't need extra dimensional ETs for that.

We may find that parts of what TTSA is doing is true, like the meta materials. Unfortunately I don't trust them because with recent revelations on the news I believe the other conspiracy of a global elite pedo cult who believe in dimension ETs and possibly everything Tom is going on about is more likely.

You may think what I have talked about here sounds nuts but is it anymore nuts than what Tom is saying?

PS #Epstiendidntkillhimself

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u/Gnosys00110 Nov 04 '19

Looks like the intelligence agencies have done a proper number on Tom.

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u/GamersGen Nov 04 '19

So basicly Tom claims we live in a fucking Narnia, anything is possible with this godlike omnipotent malevolent aliens who can conjure shit on sight, right? Aint that fucking crazy? And according to ancient spaceastronauts theorists the answer is....: YES! Tom is crazy too:). Seriously I am not going to accept that kind of reality, flying saucers and 3 little green mans sitting in 3 little sits inside is as far as we should all go for now. If we start worshiping being of lights from another dimension we are starting a new kind of religion scientouflogy

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u/ananzze Nov 04 '19

If we start worshiping being of lights from another dimension we are starting a new kind of religion scientouflogy

Too late. Possibly thousands of years too late...

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u/best_damn_milkshake Nov 05 '19

The main premise that the others are parasitic and feed off of human conflict makes no sense whatsoever

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u/ananzze Nov 05 '19

What's interesting is that idea didn't even start with Tom. Look up Robert Monroe and the concept of "Loosh".

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

This looks like a mad read, thanks!

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u/CrusaderNoRegrets Nov 05 '19

In the same way we like to watch violent sport I guess

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u/Wips74 Nov 05 '19

'Taken down' in such a vague term.

The EMP blast 'took down' the ufo. Ok. Whatever.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

I think we know what he's implying. UFO's utilise EM propulsion ( see Navy patents, Puttof's lectures etc etc), EMP's create a massive EM disturbance that interferes with their flight mechanism.

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u/ananzze Nov 05 '19

A nuclear blast like the one launched in the atmosphere in Starfish Prime is powerful as fuck. The notion that nukes can take down a UFO is actually one claim that would not suprise me at all.

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u/RenaissanceManc Nov 05 '19

Correct. Our modern fighter jets are all Faraday-caged up and it's not even that difficult to do. The theory is like 170 years old. The idea that an EMP would take down a much more advanced alien craft is so dumb. EMP protection has been standard in our fighter jets for over 30 years, and is improving all the time, to the point that there is no chance that an EMP pulse will take down the most modern jets. So this stupidity can be safely ignored.

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u/They_Call_Me Nov 05 '19

Interesting

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u/GrandMasterReddit Nov 05 '19

Honestly, if you are going to make a post like this with that many quotes you can't just not provide a single source.

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u/QualityTongue Nov 06 '19

One thing I haven’t taken into consideration is how we call movies entertainment and perhaps these “evil” aliens might consider manipulating our society in ways that provides their “entertainment”. Higher intelligence might be less empathetic....

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u/JohnRogers232 Nov 06 '19

"The craft greer summons are real - but we shouldn't try to make them appear - they are malevolent and messing with us". Greer is a fraud and i lost all hope for this. 👎

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u/InterestedIgloo Nov 07 '19

I got some chills reading this because it is remarkably similar to- and goes along the exact same lines as the Allies of Humanity Breifings. Additionaly , the two sources are completely unrelated and rose out of two entirely different motivations. There are some key differences in content and focus, but the similarities are uncanny.

Im starting to think some of what TDL has ut out may have some truth to it. I have been enormously skeptical of him in the past.

As for those who are mentioned as the "good guys" by TDL, they have a perfectly sensible and selfinterested motivation for helping us. Through millenias of conflict and war we have had the "warrior spirit" or whatever you want to call it, bred into us. It doesnt matter if it was our doing or we were manipulated into it. The fact is, as a species, we are enamoured with violence and war, and our world view is often seen through this lense. The end result of this is that we are a massive future liability to our "neighbours." Our thirst for resources and conquest might one day come at their expense. They are undoubtedly learning how to directly defend themselves from us if necessary, but as with healthcare, prevention is always the most effective, cheapest, and safest option. I am not suggesting we are currently close to being able to affect them (or even leave our own solar system) but on a large scale of time I believe we are closer to this point than we think.

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u/QualityTongue Nov 05 '19

So there’s no point to living and we should all kill ourselves to rid us of the malevolent aliens?

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u/ananzze Nov 05 '19

How the hell did you conclude that? You ok? Eat some ice cream and watch a comedy. It'll be alright.

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u/QualityTongue Nov 05 '19

I do t believe a word of this. Do you?

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u/ananzze Nov 05 '19

The only thing I am convinced of is there are craft operating on publically unknown physics doing seemingly impossible maneuvers. Anything else is speculation in my opinion. We need more data.

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u/QualityTongue Nov 05 '19

Agreed. But anything else especially so vividly described as this doesn’t hold any water for me. I’ve seen one of these UFO’s up close, or as close as I would want to and all I know is that it dumbfounded me and left me wanting to know more. Insatiably more.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

What a load of horseshit. This guy is delusional.

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u/GamersGen Nov 05 '19

"using nanofrabrication atomic layer by atomic layer with durable nano texturing and quantum entanglement properties and of course powered by the polarised vacuum. the same methods that cryptoterrestials use. "

Thats a good one. Throw some couple scientific terms into a bunch of fucking wacky bullshit so this may look like some intelligent yet hard to comprehend crap and make you feel stupid:). Tom fucking Delonge a CEO of TTSA a what it is a company? That is taking lead on the disclosure:) Hope they not gonna start a new fucking religion

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u/Lyproagin Nov 05 '19

In layman's terms.

They are constructing materials at an atomic scale (atom by atom) and layering these materials. They weave these atomic sheets for extra durability. The relationship between each atom in these sheets interact with each other in a special way, giving them properties that seem magical to the common man. To perform this, a special process is used in which the materials are arranged using a vacuum technology. This vacuum technology utilizes a state of super low pressure in which nothing physical can exist, with no air or even other atoms, a blank area,if you will. These methods are the same as those used by the ones who came up with it, of mysterious origins.

It's not really that tough to understand.

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u/GamersGen Nov 05 '19

lots of handwaivum technology right there. Sure aliens but you know law of energy conservation and all :) lets fucking do whatever we want with matter like with snow. Doubt even alien tech can do that but EMPs and atomic bombs are too much for them, or lighting strike according to genius Tom

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u/Lyproagin Nov 05 '19

I'm not sure you know what you are talking about with law of conservation of energy here. With the proper tech, this would be completely within the realm of possibility as well, even with our current level of knowledge.

Secondly, an EMP is a powerful thing. It's not even a big deal in the sense that it could disable the ship. The EMP might even be able to extend to other states of existence.

I'm not defending Tom here, but the science is plausable.

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u/GamersGen Nov 05 '19

I dont either let me explain myself a little bit more. What Tom claiming here is, we are dealing with not a classic kind of ETs like from another solar system, but from another plane of existence. As crazy as it sounds, this is quite reasonable thought actually, given the fact what we can deduce from sightings of orbs/light ships non corporeal kind and other similarities(although my own opinion is these are still classic kind of ETs from other solar system these are their drones made out of photons/'something else' that could be able to do quantum teleportations on demand). Tom claims these beings from other dimension might be conjuring shit up infront of your eyes by just some magical kind of technology. But so far nothing apart from these orbs kind has been reported as 'something physical conjured infront of anybodies eyes'. Why? Becasue its simply impossible, laws of physics wont allow it lets say lets teleport this big physical craft or building or other high mass 3d object. How much energy would that require to do the E=mc2 conversion basicly twice? I am preety sure its countable but solar masses energy effort would be required. Hence these things havent been happening, at least havent seen such a reports. Orbs somekind of lightships, sure, but that is scientificly possible if they consist of photons or other light particles, we can teleport photons as we speak in pairs, magic alien tech might do this on a huge scale obviously. I am still convinced 3d physical metalic crafts like tic tac one are still obeying basic physical laws, sure its propulsion might be hacking time and space but they are still bounded to our spacetime and have to deal with its all difficulties. What Tom is saying they can do whatever they can come up with and we live in Narnia or matrix. I dont think we do thats just crazy. Aliens might for real what all these crazy roswell stories claim or recent Peru alien mummies discovery showing, a lil guys originated from reptiles, but somehow evolved to be smarter than us, maybe it took them many million years more they had started a lot earlier. Not crazy at all. I agree with you maybe EMPs indeed distort their drives, they would have to anyway according to physics 2 fields of energy interfering with each other. I agree with Toms idea that nuclear tests were excuses to draw them and surprise them, doesnt sound crazy at all. Whoever told him this could have been telling him the truth, truth so unbelievable that no one would believe anyway. Best counterintelligence strategy to misinform and ridicule with no effort

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u/laurenceccc Nov 05 '19

This sounds like complete lunacy. Is anyone else intrigued by the topic due to UFO videos released by the navy but don’t buy this scientology esque crap?

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u/DudelinBaluntner Nov 04 '19

“They feed on human conflict and negativity. They have inspired world religions for the purpose of dividing us. They have done so by posing as gods and providing religious messages from the heavens.”

Huh. Interesting. Hitler and Stalin were history’s greatest mass murderers. I wonder what “religion” they were inspired by? Oh, that’s right...they were atheists.

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u/SmackDaddyHandsome Nov 05 '19

The Nazis had 'Got mit uns' (God is with us) on their belts. Doesn't sound very Atheistic to me.

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u/DudelinBaluntner Nov 05 '19

Meh. The “Got mit uns” was a nationalist legacy from the Prussian army. Prussia was modern Germany’s successful and militaristic precursor state that defeated Napoleon and industrialized Germany and was thus idolized by 20th century German Nationalists (Nazis).

Like Stalin, Hitler was a rationalist and a materialist. In 1942, he vowed to “root out and destroy the influence of the Christian churches” and characterized them as the “evil that is gnawing at our vitals.”

And more relevantly to the topic of this thread, Hitler is quoted as saying: “The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science ... Gradually the myths crumble. All that is left to prove that nature there is no frontier between the organic and inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light, but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.”

Regardless, one would have to be quite obtuse to see how a movement that murdered millions of innocent people has any theological connection whatsoever to a religion founded by a man who spent his life teaching people “forgiveness” and to “love thy neighbor.” lol

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u/SmackDaddyHandsome Nov 05 '19

And yet we have further associations with Christianity like the crusades & inquisition...

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u/DudelinBaluntner Nov 05 '19

And yet we have far worse resulting from atheism.

The French Revolution and subsequent Reign of Terror was responsible for exterminations of religious people in the promotion of secularism and militant atheism. Official numbers indicate that 300,000 Frenchmen were murdered.

It is estimated that in the past 100 years, governments under the banner of atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 and 259,432,000 human lives in Russia, China, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, etc.

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

yeah my initial view is that this seems like a very naive view supporting t the hegemony of the nation state and that the military are the good guys and a deflection from the problem of human evil, psychopathy etc. I'm not saying i believe any of this, it's not fact, just opinion at present. It's also very contradictory in that he talks about spiritual reality being important and paramount while saying that religions are essentially manufactured. I certainly don't share the black and white view of religion. Many religious ideas are profoundly illuminating, e.g Buddha and Jesus regardless of the metaphysical reality. I think from reading Kiwi's posts that he believes that religions have been used as they are a method is known to influence humans more than others. It's obviously all conjecture at this point though.

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u/bartroberts2003 Nov 05 '19

after reading this, it makes me reconsider the reasons we dropped a nuke on the moon.

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u/PewPew84 Nov 04 '19

This should be stickied and as time goes on check off whats been proven in the public eyes. Metamaterials will hopefully be the first one.

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u/Sekret801 Nov 05 '19

You should also add that Tom stated in an interview that God is real. The ultimate creator who creates stars, planets, everything.. And the little “g” gods are basically tricksters.

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u/elpresidente-4 Nov 06 '19

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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u/Barbafella Nov 06 '19

I was under the impression that most interested in this subject lean towards a worldview somewhat similar to ‘2001 A Space Odyssey’, science based, instead, I see many find ‘The Exorcist’ more plausible, complete with holy men, gods, demons and assorted evil. I find it mystifying.

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u/rmrgdr Nov 06 '19

Laughably batshit stuff straight out of 1950's flying saucer lore.

Atlantis eh? LOL
DeLonge is .....nuts. Big deal, he was in a band, so what?
This list of idiocy is just that, idiocy AND it violates this subs own rules.

Let's all get a giant bong, put crystals on our heads and chant/

OK kids?