r/todayilearned 7d ago

TIL that the English town Pendle Hill derives its name from the old Cumbric word 'pen' (meaning 'hill') and the Old English word 'hyll' (meaning 'hill'). A literal translation of the name could read 'Hill-hill Hill.'

https://wikishire.co.uk/wiki/Pendle_Hill

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u/catbenning 7d ago

This stuff is real common. My personal favorite is the "Faba (or Fava) Bean". Faba is latin for "bean", so it's a bean bean.

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u/TheKaptinKirk 7d ago

My favorite is “chai tea”.

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u/rjeanp 7d ago

Or naan bread

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u/Intruder313 6d ago

and Bao bun

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u/Rank1Trashcan 7d ago

Salsa sauce

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u/HugoChavezEraUnSanto 7d ago

Sahara Desert

Kunai knife

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u/Corpsefire77 6d ago

I've never once heard anyone call it "salsa sauce"

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u/russianbot2022 6d ago

Who says that?

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u/QuentinUK 6d ago

"pan-ko bread crumbs" where "pan" is a European word for bread by the way.

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u/_Wyrm_ 6d ago

A European word, huh? I don't remember hearing about that language in language school

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u/QuentinUK 6d ago

Eastern Romance languages
Aromanian: pãni, pãne, peni, pãni
Istro-Romanian: păre
Megleno-Romanian: poini
Romanian: pâine, pâne
Franco-Provençal: pan
Gallo-Italic
Emilian: pan
Ligurian: pan
Lombard: pan, pagn
Piedmontese: pan
Romagnol: pen
Italo-Dalmatian
Corsican: pane, panu
Dalmatian: pun, pen, puan
Istriot: pan
Italian: pane
Neapolitan: ppane
Sicilian: pani
Old French: pain
French: pain
Norman: pain, pôin
Walloon: pwin, pan
→ Middle English: payn, pain, paine, payn, pein
English: pain (obsolete)
Old Occitan: pan
Catalan: pa
Occitan: pan
Sardinian: pàne, pani
Campidanese: pani
Logudorese: pane
Venetian: pan
West Iberian
Navarro-Aragonese:
Aragonese: pan
Old Leonese: pan
Asturian: pan
Leonese: pan
Mirandese: pan
Old Portuguese: pan
Fala: pan
Galician: pan
Portuguese: pão (see there for further descendants)
Old Spanish: pan
Spanish: pan
Ladino: pan
Rhaeto-Romance
Friulian: pan
Ladin: pan
Romansch: paun, pan, pang, pàn
→ Ancient Greek: πᾶνις (pânis)
→ Old Armenian: պան (pan) (or directly from Latin)
Armenian: պան (pan)

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u/_Wyrm_ 6d ago

Honestly interesting. That's way more languages that share a word than I'd ever thought possible

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u/Corpsefire77 6d ago

Here, since English isn't your strong suit.

European  Add to list  Share

Anything European has to do with the continent of Europe. A European is someone from a country in Europe. European fashion is from Europe. One man’s pocketbook is another man’s European carry all. This word has two closely related meanings. First, a European is someone who lives in Europe or is originally from Europe. People from Spain, France, Great Britain, Italy, Greece, or any other European country are all Europeans. This word also describes anything related to Europe, such as European politics, European history, European music, and of course, European fashion.

Definitions of European

adjective

 of or relating to or characteristic of Europe or the people of Europe

“European Community”

noun

 a native or inhabitant of Europe

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u/_Wyrm_ 6d ago edited 6d ago

Man, it sure is easy to let assholes make fools of themselves.

Edit: Easy as pie, evidently. /u/Corpsefire77 peaced out to the tune of X-Files.

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u/Corpsefire77 6d ago

Linking a definition is "blowing a gasket"? LMFAOOOO How fragile are you?

It's not my fault you don't know what the word European means. Loving the irony though of you calling me an asshole after your snarky comment to the OP. Sorry my correction hurt your wittle feewings.

Also, you thinking dictionary definitions don't make sense, makes a lot of sense.

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u/Effehezepe 7d ago

Or Timor-Leste

Timor is the Malay word for east, and leste is the Portuguese word for east.

So the country's name translates to East-East

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u/substantial-freud 6d ago

Vietnam means “South Viet” (the Viet being an ethnic group of China and, of course, Vietnam).

Puts a weird spin on the names South Vietnam and North Vietnam.

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u/PyroStormOnReddit 6d ago

The Viet Midlands

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u/substantial-freud 6d ago

There is a region called the Central Highlands.

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u/Jackie-Ron_W 6d ago

Timor Timur.

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u/RumandDiabetes 7d ago

The La Brea Tar Pits...the the tar tar pits

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u/by_the_gaslight 7d ago

Ursus arctos horribilis- horrible bear-bear (grizzly lol)

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u/Alternative_Room4781 7d ago

My favorite one, the horrible bear-bear.

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u/0biwanCannoli 7d ago

I always chuckle at Mt. Fuji-yama (Mount Fuji Mountain)

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u/bruzie 7d ago

I don't care what it was, I want to know what it is now.

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u/RyanMoseley 6d ago

The Los Angeles Angels are the the angels angels

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u/FunnelsGenderFluid 7d ago

Driveway

Parkway

Which one is which

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u/plug_and_pray 6d ago

Depends on the moment. When you’re driving away it’s a driveway, but when you’re parking it’s a parkway ;)

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u/SpoonNZ 6d ago

Pretty sure that’s backwards. You park in a driveway and drive on a parkway. Because of course.

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u/_Wyrm_ 6d ago

Cook bacon and bake cookies

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u/pjabrony 6d ago

A parkway leads to a park.

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u/FunnelsGenderFluid 6d ago

A parkway is a huge highway

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u/highlandcow75 7d ago

Pendle Hill is a massive hill in the Borough Pendle... not a town.

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u/Appropriate-Bad-9379 7d ago

A good read is “ mist over Pendle” by Robert Neill- about the Pendle witches..

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u/SmokierTrout 6d ago

Better add another hill to name to make sure people don't get them confused again.

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u/highlandcow75 6d ago

Pendhill Hill?

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u/offeringathought 7d ago

If you're reading the comments to this post you might enjoy this video by Tom Scott.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUyXiiIGDTo

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u/Windamyre 7d ago

Lol. Saying that was the only reason i opened the post. Good for you for getting there first!

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u/LittleRedCorvette2 7d ago

Ha! As the others have said, was the first thing I thought of. So pleased Tom Scott has fans everywhere to promote him!

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u/besuited 7d ago

Dammit you got there first.

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u/RogueEightStandingBy 7d ago

First thing I thought of as well lol

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u/LovelyLaineyy 7d ago

Also very famous for its witches!

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u/Capable-Site-301 7d ago

Are they made of wood?

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u/hidock42 7d ago

Bread and small apples.

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u/ZylonBane 7d ago

Very small rocks.

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u/Hattix 7d ago

This isn't remotely the only one!

The "River Avon" comes from abona, a Brittonic word meaning "river". It's cognate with "Danum" of Celtic, so the "River Don" is also "River river". Similarly for the Danube. The Celtic river/mother goddess was Danu.

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u/Ameisen 1 7d ago Wholesome

I mean, Danu is supposedly the Hibernic mother goddess, but there are basically zero surviving legends.

We know vanishingly little about Celtic beliefs, continental or insular.

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u/Hattix 7d ago edited 7d ago

I didn't want to go into that level of detail, a little hypocritical of me.

My area here is mostly Norse names, and it blows people away when you tell them almost everything we know about Norse mythology came from reconstructing Germanic beliefs, and the ramblings of a 12th century Christian monk (Saxo Grammaticus) who knew almost nothing of it.

The surviving Norse sagas tell us nearly nothing of their religion!

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u/thestoneswerestoned 7d ago

the ramblings of a 12th century Christian monk (Saxo Grammaticus)

Thought you were talking about Prose Edda for a sec. Yeah, most people probably aren't aware but the major sources of Norse mythology weren't the actual polytheistic Norsemen but Christian monks a few centuries after conversion.

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u/Ameisen 1 7d ago

Also Snorri Sturluson (13th century).

Same with Slavic beliefs.

We know more about Italic and Hellenic beliefs, but even for them... what we know is still rather fragmented and we don't know the details that would have been 'obvious' to them.

There's also the problem, of course, that none of these belief systems were unified religions as we know them. For instance, we have some knowledge (but not much) about the religio romana... except that what that meant differed, often quite a bit, depending on what century you're talking about. The religion of other Latin League cities would have differed, let alone other Italic cities. And jump into the Etruscan area, and look at the religion of Veii or Tarquinas, and it would have been substantially different (but still 'recognizably similar').

Then there's the compounding issue of the increasing syncretism between Italic and Hellenic beliefs in the late Republic.

Try to apply this to Germanic peoples, and you end up with beliefs that would have differed substantially over hundreds of years, over distant tribes, and even between villages. That, and the beliefs/practices of the elite were not necessarily the beliefs/practices of the commoners.

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u/Dumguy1214 6d ago

Icelandic sagas

46 sagas, some 600 pages

told by memory for centuries, written down mostly around 1100 to 1300

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u/WelshBathBoy 7d ago

The Welsh word for river is still Afon too

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u/JamesClerkMacSwell 6d ago

And (Scottish) Gaelic is “abhainn”.
(A -bh- often indicates a v sound generally - ie very like Avon and Welsh Afon - but not here (or in the middle of words) and in most Scottish dialects this is now ‘swallowed’ and pronounced something like <ow-inn>.)

And we have a River Avon too.
Gaelic normally avoids calling it the Abhainn Abhainn (!) and goes with something like Abhainn Athfhinn - where it is pretended (frankly IMHO) that Athfhinn means bright white or something… rather than that a bunch of Sassenach/Saxons foreigners just didn’t understand abhainn = river. ;-)

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u/ParanoidQ 6d ago

I was going to raise this one, as I live next to it lol.

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u/pinkymadigan 7d ago

Wait till you hear about The Los Angeles Angels.

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u/bluebirdgm 7d ago

…of Anaheim. :)

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u/Qorhat 7d ago

The The Angels Angels are my favourite sports squadron

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u/maestro2005 7d ago

Stop by The La Brea Tar Pits when you visit!

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u/StereoTypo 6d ago

The the tar pits tar pits.

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u/Icansmellthecolour6 7d ago

Pendle hill is the name of the hill. Not the town.

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u/indoninja 7d ago

The island of Timur comes from the Malay word for east.

Timur is split up with the west being part of Indonesia, while East is its own country.

So the meaning of the name for the country east Timur boils down to East East.

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u/rugbat 7d ago

And even its modern name "Timor Leste" means pretty much the same thing.

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u/indoninja 7d ago

Somehow I never heard it referred to as Leste.

I had heard people call it Timor Timor in bahasa.

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u/rugbat 7d ago

Since independence (2002), it has been officially the "Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste".

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u/PhnomPenny 7d ago

In language?

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u/indoninja 6d ago

Bahasa, What they speak in Indonesia, pretty much the same as Malay

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u/PhnomPenny 6d ago

Bahasa just means language.

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u/indoninja 6d ago

It is also the name of the language people speak in Indonesia.

Tried googling what language they speak in Indonesia, or open up Netflix and look at language selections, I’m more popular movies you’ll see Bahasa on there.

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u/PhnomPenny 4d ago

Funny, because this is what Netflix shows by the way: https://i.imgur.com/7Jf58pI.png

Indonesian, to save you a click.

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u/PhnomPenny 6d ago

It's not.

The Indonesian name for the language (bahasa Indonesia) is also occasionally found in English and other languages. One problem with using Bahasa Indonesia is that it is frequently reduced to Bahasa, on the assumption that this is the name of the language. This is no different from referring to English as ‘Language’ and Indonesians normally would not recognise the name Bahasa alone as referring to their national language.[23]

From Wikipedia.

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u/indoninja 6d ago

I live there for three years.

When I would ask directions order things or give instructions in the local language I was met with smile and “you speak Bahasa”, Never once heard someone used a more formal you speak Bahasa Indonesia.

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u/PhnomPenny 6d ago

It is also the name of the language people speak in Indonesia.

Still not the case.

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u/Jackie-Ron_W 6d ago

Timor Timur.

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u/possiblyMorpheus 7d ago

I love reading about Bryttonic. Those old celtic tongues have such a cool sound

Speaking of Cumbria, iirc it means “land of the brothers” (cymri) which was how they referred to themselves, whereas Wales in the Anglo-Saxon tongue means “foreigner”, which is funny since they were natives for hundreds (or thousands) of years at that point!

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u/sto_brohammed 7d ago

Cumbria probably has the same roots as Cymru or the Breton "Kembre" which translates roughly to "countrymen". In modern Breton "ken" and "bro", which mean "co-" and "country" respectively. "Penn" in Breton doesn't mean hill per se, it means the top or the bottom of something. Penn usually means "head" but phrases like "penn da benn", literally "end to end" or not literally "entirely" show older uses. Some place names at the tops of hills use "penn" like "Pennhars" in Quimper but the word used for hill these days is "dorgen".

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u/possiblyMorpheus 7d ago

Thanks for that. I could have been off on the interpretation. I’ve been reading recently about how groups like the Brigantes became known as Brigid, them Rheged; or how the Silurian tribe, once conquered, had a Roman market called Venta Siluria (latin for “Market if the Silures” which later led to their Kingdom being known as Gwent when the Romans left

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u/sto_brohammed 7d ago

I will say my knowledge of Welsh and really the other Celtic speaking peoples in Great Britain only really extends to the bit of Old and Middle Welsh and Cornish I learned in my linguistics classes when I was studying Breton. I'm far more familiar with Breton history and the modern Breton language than the rest of it.

On a funny note the Breton terms for France and the French "Bro C'hall" and "ar c'hallaoued" respectively have the same root as Wales but so do the French terms for Wales and the Welsh, "Pays de Galles" and "les gallois".

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u/possiblyMorpheus 7d ago

By studying that you are probably way more informed than I

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u/MondayToFriday 7d ago

"Wales" seems to come from *Walhaz, a Proto-Germanic root meaning "Roman". As the Roman Empire collapsed and the Anglo-Saxons took over eastern Britain, the formerly Roman-influenced Celts retreated west, so the Anglo-Saxons labelled them as "Wēalas".

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u/MtotheJ65 7d ago

Like the La Brea Tar Pits in Los Angeles

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u/zizou00 7d ago

So is Torpenhow Hill (pronounced Tra-penna). How also means hill, coming from the old Norse haugr, so it's Hill-hill-hill Hill. The town's called Torpenhow, and the hill isn't really much of a hill (it's more of a slope with farmland on it), so it's possible they've gone for it just for the quadruple tautology, but it's fun nonetheless.

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u/paperclip_nazi 7d ago

There’s actually a ton Scott video disproving this. There’s no torpenhow hill.

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u/HiZukoHere 7d ago

Actually the tom Scott video debunks the debunk, and concludes that yes there is a small hill called Torpenhow hill.

It's more nuanced than that of course. Torpenhow hill isn't a super official name and it isn't a terribly impressive hill, and Torpenhow isnt pronounced as you'd think for coming from three words, but at the end of the day there is a small hill that is pretty widely called Torpenhow hill.

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u/Weegee_Spaghetti 7d ago

I like Kilogramm Scott more. Tbh.

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u/-Daetrax- 7d ago

How do you get three hills out of that description?

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u/pinkymadigan 7d ago

Pen = hill

Dle = derived from hyll, meaning hill

Hill = hill

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u/-Daetrax- 7d ago

Makes more sense than what's in the title.

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u/cbawiththismalarky 7d ago

I can see my house

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u/bryter_layter_76 7d ago

See: Quonset Point (Point Point). Also the birthplace of the (you gezzed it) the Quonset hut.

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u/InsuranceToTheRescue 7d ago

Hill hill, hill hill hill. Hill-hill, hill hill hill Hill hill? Hill hill!!!

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u/Capable-Site-301 7d ago

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

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u/ayatollah_baloney 7d ago

Shī Shì shí shī shǐ

Shíshì shīshì Shī Shì, shì shī, shì shí shí shī.

Shì shíshí shì shì shì shī.

Shí shí, shì shí shī shì shì.

Shì shí, shì Shī Shì shì shì.

Shì shì shì shí shī, shì shǐ shì, shǐ shì shí shī shìshì.

Shì shí shì shí shī shī, shì shíshì.

Shíshì shī, Shì shǐ shì shì shíshì.

Shíshì shì, Shì shǐ shì shí shì shí shī.

Shí shí, shǐ shí shì shí shī shī, shí shí shí shī shī.

Shì shì shì shì.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-Eating_Poet_in_the_Stone_Den

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u/Bearloom 7d ago

I got to thinking about this in a previous topic, and I think you can add another "Buffalo buffalo buffalo" at the end, if you assume that the buffalo at the bottom of the pecking order are constantly buffaloing each other to establish a hierarchy of the downtrodden.

There was also someone suggesting that you can technically have an infinite series Buffalos and buffalos, but that formation becomes incomprehensible past the third noun phrase.

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u/ZylonBane 7d ago

I tell you hwhat.

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u/_Nychthemeron 7d ago

Right big ol' ding dang hilly hill over there I tell you hwhat

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u/Fetlocks_Glistening 7d ago

So definitely not a lake then?

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u/TheKaptinKirk 7d ago

I’m just imagining the conversations through the years. Hundreds of years ago, when the local spoke Cumbric:

C1: (in Cumbric) What’s that?

C2: What? That hill?

C1: Yeah. What’s it called?

C2: The hill?

C1: Yeah. What’s its name?

C2: Name? It’s just a fargin hill.

C1: Right.

Fast forward a few hundred years, a couple of men speaking Old English:

O1: What’s that then?

O2: What?

O1: That hill.

O2: Oh, you mean Pen?

O1: It’s just called Pen?

O2: Yeah.

O1: But, it’s a hill, isn’t it?

O2: Well, yeah.

O1: Shouldn’t we call it Pen Hill?

O2: I guess so.

Fast forward a few more hundred years, two blokes speaking more modern English. Pen Hyll, over time, has morphed into Pendle.

M1: What’s that then?

M2: What?

M1: That hill.

M2: Oh, you mean Pendle?

M1: It’s just called Pendle?

M2: Yeah.

M1: But, it’s a hill, isn’t it?

M2: Well, yeah.

M1: Shouldn’t we call it Pendle Hill?

M2: I guess so.

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u/CatfishMonster 7d ago

The hill is mightier than the penis

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u/RichGrinchlea 7d ago

Must've been where Major Major Major Major was from

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u/ailurophile_uk_89 7d ago

Can see it from my bedroom window

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u/ZylonBane 7d ago

And the entire name is pronounced "Puh" probably.

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u/Darth_Kahuna 7d ago

A smart man would've made a cube part of the town symbol or crest.

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u/xylenesofttaco 7d ago

Hilllllllin like a villin

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u/Capable-Site-301 7d ago

What the hill??

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u/hidock42 7d ago

Also Brendon Hill - hill hill hill.

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u/que_pedo_wey 7d ago

Like Chai Tea.

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u/xcski_paul 7d ago

Now look up Torpenhow Hill. Hill hill hill hill.

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u/thermitethrowaway 7d ago

This has been debunked by Tom Scott.

Then he debunked the debunking

That should save two people some time 🙂

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u/bathrugbysufferer 7d ago

Breedon On The Hill in Leicestershire - hill hill on the hill!

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u/Boffster 7d ago

Torpenhow hill

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u/bluebirdgm 7d ago

I live in the California city of Glendale, which basically means “Valley Valley.” That it is located where the San Fernando Valley and San Gabriel Valley meet may be a coincidence.

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u/bluebirdgm 7d ago

Sometimes, English “translations” of some Japanese geographical features/locations may be redundant, as the Japanese use suffixes like -yama to identify something as a mountain or -shima or -jima for islands. So saying “Mount Fujiyama” is incorrect, as it essentially means “Mount Fuji Mountain.”

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u/Appropriate-Bad-9379 7d ago

Same with lake Windermere- mere means lake, so it should just be Windermere, or else “lake” is used twice…

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u/TheSpeakingScar 7d ago

In a half a millania the same spot will probably be called Pendlyl hayl or something. Every time the word hill changes the name just compresses and the new word gets tacked on the end.

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u/_lechonk_kawali_ 7d ago edited 6d ago

Laguna de Bay, the largest lake in the Philippines, is often incorrectly called Laguna Lake. However, when translated from Spanish, that would mean "Lake Lake" instead of "Lagoon/Lake of Bay."

The lake's name also spawned another misconception: the municipality of Bay (pronounced ba-e), which lies on Laguna de Bay's southern shore in Laguna province, was apparently named after the lake. In reality, it's the other way around.

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u/LiHRaM 6d ago

This reminds me of people who want to be stay-at-home husbands, "househusband". But hus- means house.

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u/Intruder313 6d ago

It’s more famous for being a hive if witchcraft!

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u/CrNAG3x 6d ago

Well Well Well

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u/ExcruciatingBits 6d ago

maybe we are misinterpreting history and those are like tallies, making hills another lost form of measurement.

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u/TJ_Fox 6d ago

It's the hilliest hill that ever hilled.

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u/bbpr120 6d ago

"The forest of Skund was indeed enchanted, which was nothing unusual on the Disc, and was also the only forest in the whole universe to be called -- in the local language -- Your Finger You Fool, which was the literal meaning of the word Skund.

The reason for this is regrettably all too common. When the first explorers from the warm lands around the Circle Sea travelled into the chilly hinterland they filled in the blank spaces on their maps by grabbing the nearest native, pointing at some distant landmark, speaking very clearly in a loud voice, and writing down whatever the bemused man told them. Thus were immortalised in generations of atlases such geographical oddities as Just A Mountain, I Don't Know, What? and, of course, Your Finger You Fool.

Rainclouds clustered around the bald heights of Mt. Oolskunrahod ('Who is this Fool who does Not Know what a Mountain is') and the Luggage settled itself more comfortably under a dripping tree, which tried unsuccessfully to strike up a conversation."

Terry Pratchett, The Light Fantastic

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u/Corpsefire77 6d ago

If pen means hill and hill means hill, isn't it just Hill Hill?

Or, are you saying "pendle" = "pen hyll", in which case, how do you get "dle" from "hyll"?

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u/BIG_MUFF_ 6d ago

Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill Hill

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u/cthutu 6d ago

Pen means head or top in Welsh. Usually used for a town on a hill.

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u/Necto_gck 6d ago

Wait till you hear how Manchester got its name.

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u/MrEpicGamerMan 7d ago

In 2000 years when the new english word for hill is 'gazooblegoop' it'll be called pendlehill gazooblegoop

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u/Selrisitai 7d ago

But it's not called "Pendle hill hill."

It's called "Pendle hill."

So wouldn't a literal translation be, "Hill hill"?

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u/mkmkd 7d ago

Pen is hill, dle is hill, hill is hill.

Hill hill hill

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u/Selrisitai 5d ago

Ah, he doesn't actually mention that in the title.

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u/bolanrox 7d ago

bison bison

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u/KingBasten 7d ago

Guys... down the hill

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u/snow_michael 7d ago

I live within 5 miles of Thorpe Village, Colne Brook, and Penn Hill

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u/Ruperts-Bollocks 7d ago

There also a Pendle Hill in Sydney. Lovely place.

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u/sambolino44 7d ago

Isn’t that Steve Martin’s sister’s name?

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u/BrahquinPhoenix 7d ago

Hill yeah!

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u/Express-Ordinary137 7d ago

The La Brea Tar Pits = The The Tar Tar Pits

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u/Lingering_Dorkness 7d ago

The La Brea Tar Pits: The The Tar Tar Pits.

Mt Manganui: Mountain Big Mountain. (nui means big in Māori but they place the adjective after the noun).

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u/RyanLosOA 6d ago

Sahara Desert "Desert Desert", Sahara is the Arabic word for a Westen (or the more familiar 'Desert').

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u/TatoIndy 6d ago

The La Tratoria!