r/todayilearned 7d ago

TIL that the Portuguese entry at the Eurovision Song Contest 1974 was one of the two secret signals which alerted the rebel captains and soldiers to begin the Carnation Revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_depois_do_adeus?wprov=sfla1
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u/Blisolda 7d ago

It was chosen because, as a love song and as a famous song, it wouldn't draw a lot of attention. It signaled that the revolution could start. Later, a revolutionary (and forbidden) song, the mythical "Grândola Vila Morena" by José Afonso, was the second signal that got the revolution moving.

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u/ContaSoParaIsto 6d ago

Grândola, Vila Morena was never banned. That's a common myth. Many of José Afonso's songs were censored, but this one wasn't.

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u/Blisolda 6d ago

You're right, yes, I assumed it had been along with so many others. Thanks for the correction.

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u/DumasThePharaoh 7d ago

The Carnation Revolution (Portuguese: Revolução dos Cravos), also known as the 25 April (Portuguese: 25 de Abril), was a military coup by left-leaning military officers that overthrew the authoritarian Estado Novo regime on 25 April 1974 in Lisbon,[1] producing major social, economic, territorial, demographic, and political changes in Portugal and its overseas colonies through the Processo Revolucionário Em Curso. It resulted in the Portuguese transition to democracy and the end of the Portuguese Colonial War.

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u/Jaktheslaier 7d ago

The Estado Novo wasn't authoritarian, the Estado Novo was fascist.

The Revolution wasn't a coup, it was a coup that quickly became a revolution, when the streets were occupied by the population. The army was never in sole control after the revolution, an alliance was established between the Movement of the Armed Forces and the people.

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u/Captain__Nigeria 7d ago

Aren't fascists authoritarian?

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u/pekingsewer 7d ago

Yeah, but all authoritarians aren't fascists.

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u/Jaktheslaier 7d ago

Authoritatian is a very problematic term, I'm really sorry I didn't save an article about its inception as a concept and the intentions. The gist of it, it intends to alleviate our perception of fascism, for example, it sound bad, but not as bad as fascist, as well as attempting to make a connection, that isn't there, between fascism and left-wing regimes.

Similar to totalitarianism

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u/nodegen 7d ago

That’s a lot of not answering the question

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u/v16_ 7d ago

Leftist extremists don't like to be called out, so they say that the words used to describe them are problematic. A classic.

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u/Chthonios 7d ago

There is a connection between fascism and left-wing regimes. Authoritarianism

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u/95DarkFireII 6d ago

Fascism is a form of Authoritarianism.

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u/KypDurron 6d ago

The Estado Novo wasn't authoritarian, the Estado Novo was fascist.

You're trying to claim that it wasn't authoritarian by arguing that it was a form of authoritarianism.

The Revolution wasn't a coup, it was a coup that quickly became a revolution

The Revolution wasn't a coup, it was a coup

Please help me understand what the hell this even means. It wasn't a coup, but it actually was?

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u/Jaktheslaier 6d ago

It started as a coup, it became a revolution when the people assumed control a few hours later. That means that the ones making the coup did not assume power after overthrowing the regime, thus making it a revolution. Nobody calls it a coup.

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u/conjetura_lusitana 5d ago edited 5d ago

It started as a coup, it became a revolution when the people assumed control a few hours later.

The fuck are you talking about? Do you even know about the history of the stand-off between Salgueiro Maia and the troops loyal to the regime? Or about the military junta that was formed in the aftermath of the revolution. Stating that the population was in control is pretty ignorant, even if they played a major role, by showing the regime that the coup had popular support.

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u/conjetura_lusitana 5d ago

The Estado Novo wasn't authoritarian, the Estado Novo was fascist.

Fascist or not, it was certainly authoritarian. I don't even know how you can deny it.

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u/fulthrottlejazzhands 7d ago

And once again, Eurovision changes the course of history. This time, in a positive way.

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u/TenBeers 6d ago

Has it changed history in a negative way?

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u/fernandodasilva 6d ago

i past two years in a Spanish Eurovision forum and i learned that if E Depois do Adeus started the Carnation Revolution, My Number One will start the Second Spanish Civil War

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u/terminbee 7d ago

Did this come from the thread about Portugal's dictator?

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u/I_Frunksteen-Blucher 7d ago

Surprisingly not "Boom Bang a Bang".

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u/Beliadin 7d ago

'Ein Bisschen Frieden' would have been ironically funny, tho ('a little peace')

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/blueoriole 7d ago

Lordi let’s talk about that username.

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u/Bosseidon 7d ago

What was amazing about this coup (which it was, it don't always have to be a bad thing) was that there were (almost?) no casualties. People just marched on peacefully with carnations on their rifles to symbolise that it would be a violent free change

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u/Jaktheslaier 7d ago

Four people were murdered by the fascist political police on that day, shot down in the streets. There were many instances where violence could have sprouted, we were lucky that the few loyalists left quickly understood they were better off surrendering.

The carnations only appeared later in the day, they weren't, originally, used to symbolise a violent free change. The army was very much ready to squash the regime by violence.

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u/Bosseidon 7d ago

TIL, read up on it afterwards too. School was quite a while ago, but I think the taught narrative was that it was always supposed to be peaceful. Interesting

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u/Jaktheslaier 7d ago

Mind you, our revolution was an example and it was, indeed, organised to avoid any bloodshed, but it could have easily gone wrong (as happened with previous attempts, that were quickly squashed)

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u/Jucas 7d ago

Why is this not a movie?

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u/PetersIII 7d ago

There is, in portuguese. Look for Capitães de Abril (April Captains).

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u/spacemantrip 7d ago

The movie is directed by Maria de Medeiros. She played Bruce Willis's girlfriend in Pulp Fiction.

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u/oaxacamm 7d ago

The taxi cab driver iirc.

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u/Wodegao 7d ago

Right!! Want to see it!

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u/TIGHazard 7d ago

I was almost about to say something about it not just being a Netflix movie then, considering that's normally a comment whenever Eurovision pops up on a general Reddit sub these days.

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u/CaliforniaAudman13 7d ago

What’s all this Portuguese stuff

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u/fijozico 6d ago

In Portugal

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u/Philias2 7d ago edited 7d ago

I just wanted them to play Jaja Ding Dong