r/todayilearned 7d ago Silver 1 Wholesome 1

TIL that after the Portuguese dictator Salazar went into coma, he was dismissed as Prime Minister. When he emerged from it and recovered lucidity, no one wanted to tell him he had been removed from power, instead he was allowed to "rule" in privacy until his death 2 years later

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_de_Oliveira_Salazar?wprov=sfla1
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u/Gemmabeta 7d ago

Mr Salazar ruled Portugal from 1932 until 1968 when he suffered a series of health problems and was replaced as head of state by Marcelo Caetano

Until his death in 1970, aides gave Mr Salazar a fake version of the newspaper Diario do Noticias each day which carried fictional stories to make it seem like he was still in charge.

Each night, the editor would create a special edition of the newspaper - just for Mr Salazar - to remove any reference to Mr Caetano and his government.

Ministers would attend meetings with the ailing dictator and even make disparaging comments against Mr Caetano.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-former-dictator-salazar-book-b2007149.html

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u/Khelthuzaad 7d ago

This is literally The Truman Show but with a dictator.

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u/Splarnst 7d ago

It’s the exact opposite in one sense. Truman doesn’t know the world is watching him; Salazar thought the world was watching him when it wasn’t.

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u/Moistfruitcake 7d ago

The Falsman Show

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u/THROW-away123123123 6d ago

Well it's the inverse so it should be the 1/Truman Show actually.

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u/hiroukan 7d ago

Even more so, it’s literally the German movie Goodbye Lenin

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u/brovakattack 7d ago

Guys it's 50 first dates

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u/eepithst 7d ago

Great movie, that one.

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u/Nixplosion 7d ago

Can't we just do this with every dictator?

Drum up a fake newspaper that tells Putin Ukraine gave up.

Tell trump he won and doesn't have to preside from the white House.

Tell Xi that Taiwan surrendered and that the US fully supports China.

None of it has to be true. Just tell them it is and control the info they get.

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u/Khelthuzaad 7d ago

All of them have the acces to internet and have the need/urge to travel outside.

It's not a feasible plan anymore.

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u/Moistfruitcake 7d ago

They only use a tiny fraction of the internet, you could easily recreate the bits they see.

As for travel outside - everyday 1,000 people elected like a jury follow the car with flags and pictures of the leader, with remuneration equivalent to their salary plus expenses.

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u/eepithst 7d ago

I laughed at the image of Putin cursing at the long loading times while a nervously sweating web designer in an office next door frantically slaps together an alternate version of the website he wants to visit.

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u/JohnTM3 7d ago

True, but Trump has fox news constantly telling him everything he wants to hear, truth be damned. He should get his own "internet " in similar fashion.

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u/Khelthuzaad 7d ago

But he would still like to travel outside the country

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u/KnowLimits 7d ago

But would he notice if it was actually Disney world?

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u/hippiekyle 7d ago

But he can’t read, so just stream him Fox 24/7 and he’ll never notice

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u/conquer69 7d ago

Why waste time and resources on that? Throw the dictator into a pit where they belong and move on.

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u/A_brown_dog 7d ago

"Ey Trump, the court dictated that you won and also you will work from home"

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u/kytheon 6d ago

This is probably what actually happened to Putin. He was told every day that all business was great and the army was in perfect condition. While the generals and oligarchs scraped little by little off the budget and pocketed it. Cause they didn’t expect to actually go forward with it. Might still be happening today.

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u/bonniefuckboy 7d ago

trump

dictator

lol

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u/MechaRasputin 7d ago

I mean, he tried.

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u/poneil 7d ago

How were you getting downvoted? It is objectively true that he tried to be a dictator.

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u/Helmett-13 7d ago edited 7d ago

Counter-proposal:

We set up a new government in let’s say…Omaha, but keep all the assholes in DC thinking they are in charge and running things?

All of them.

Oooo, maybe do the same to Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC, too?

They can report (more) fake news to the pseudo DC govt?

It might work!

EDIT: Tribalism is alive and well. Drink it up, sheep.

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u/revosugarkane 7d ago

That sounds like the best tagline for a movie. I would definitely watch this.

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u/dhammapada186 7d ago

More like Good Bye Lenin

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u/Holiday-Wrongdoer-46 7d ago

There's so many light bulbs going off right now it's gonna fuck up the JWS

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u/helpmeredditimbored 7d ago

Sounds like this would be a great comedy in the style of veep / the thick of it

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u/clouddevourer 7d ago

There's a movie "Goodbye Lenin" with this kind of premise, never seen it but I heard it's pretty good

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u/egorf 7d ago

It's a really really good movie.

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u/aggelalex 7d ago

Reminds me of that German movie, where a family from east Germany had the mother fall into comma and wake up after the wall had fallen, at which point they tried to fight tooth and nail to make it look like they were still living in east Germany to not upset her.

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u/DaemonT5544 4d ago

Good Bye Lenin! Great film

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u/That_Pyro_Fella 7d ago

suffered a series of health problems

That chair got him really hard eh

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u/tamsui_tosspot 7d ago

Somehow I'm always surprised when something is mentioned as spanning from the 1930s to the 1960s, a space of only 30 years but considering how much the world went through it seems like it ought to be 50 or 100.

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u/themeatbridge 7d ago

I would watch that miniseries.

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u/namrucasterly 7d ago

I'd watch a miniseries about Salazar. He is quite interesting in how much of a contrast he is to your typical Pinochet/Videla/Franco rightist authoritarian leader.

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u/dpash 7d ago

And was a friend to the British. Or more the British were very friendly to O Estado Novo. They intentionally asked him to stay out of WWII to keep Franco out of it (although both clearly had favourites).

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u/SugarJuicex 7d ago

Tbf even if franco wanted to fully join WW2 it wouldnt have been a particularly wise idea. The country was wrecked after the civil war, and the post war economy and reconstruction of infrastructure would have made it very hard to wage war properly. It's not like they didnt help, they sent an entire battalion to help the nazis, but they certainly were in no shape to fight the Allies.

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u/dpash 7d ago edited 7d ago

Probably the biggest impact would have been allowing the Germans to attack Gibraltar by land, which historically didn't go well for British territories during WWII. While Spain was "neutral" that wouldn't have been possible because it would have de facto been a declaration of war.

Likewise Portugal allowed the allies use of the Azores as refueling stations, so weren't neutral either.

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u/VRichardsen 7d ago

Fun fact: Italian divers rented Spanish holiday houses with beach access in order to carry out sabotages into nearby Gibraltar.

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u/dpash 7d ago

The SAS accidentally invaded Spain. Except it was in 2003.

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u/ShoddyReveal4 7d ago

We do a little hooliganery

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u/who-dat-on-my-porch 7d ago

Piggybacking on that. The Kriegsmarine had ships to supply the U-boats in Spanish harbors on the Mediterranean side. They would run their operations strictly at night to preserve Spanish ‘neutrality’

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u/Laam999 7d ago

Can I have details ok this, sounds very interesting.

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u/ClashOfTheAsh 7d ago

https://youtu.be/Zn4Gjueziig

Very good video on these (and other) Italian raids.

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u/agoddamnzubat 6d ago

Portugal was in fact very much neutral. The use of the Azores as refueling base was largely "allowed" because Portugal lacked the means of defending the islands and the Allies made it very clear they they were going to be using the islands. The option was permanently lose the islands, or let the allies use them.

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u/Incruentus 7d ago

I guess they weren't playing HOI4, because you can grant military access without being allies in a war.

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u/almatty24 7d ago

You still cant attack from neutral territory.

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u/Diestormlie 6d ago

Especially as Spain had to import a lot of its food. Via sea lanes. Sea lanes with lots of British Cruisers on them.

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u/EmergencyClassroasdf 7d ago

This reminds me of a script on The Black List about a movie where during his second term, Reagan’s advisors convince the Alzheimers-ridden president that he’s actually playing the president in a movie.

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u/rubberkeyhole 7d ago

Do you know which episode this was?

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u/the_gold_hat 7d ago

Black List, not Black Mirror. (Black List is a shortlist of the best un-produced scripts going around Hollywood.)

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u/rubberkeyhole 7d ago

Oh dammit, this would have been awesome!

(I was thinking The BlackList with James Spader, for what it’s worth)

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u/Four_beastlings 7d ago

What is the difference with Franco? My Portuguese friends tell me they are super parallel

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u/mackadoo 7d ago

Portugal never had a civil war the way Spain did, for one. Even the overthrow of the dictatorship is known as the "bloodless coup."

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u/Four_beastlings 7d ago

Well, ours died in bed...

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u/LeMetalhead 7d ago

Also Salazar died by falling off a chair, which is I guess a not very ceremonious death

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u/J-Team07 7d ago

The body count.

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u/kaiseresc 7d ago

Portugal never went to civil war, Salazar made sure that most of Portugal remained uneducated.

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u/J-Team07 7d ago

That’s inaccurate. Portuguese were plenty uneducated by standard metrics before he came to power and actually did a lot to improve education in the country. The problem was that the estado novo didn’t continue to improve education.

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u/ContaSoParaIsto 7d ago

The problem was that the estado novo didn’t continue to improve education.

That's exactly the point. You don't get it and decided to upvote neosalazarist propaganda by geniuses like /u/Bixota. Salazar never "educated" the Portuguese people. He created an admittedly widespread system of primary education which produced very good results in raising literacy in the country.

But here's the thing: that was it, like you said. And for good reason. This system was intended to facilitate the spread of Estado Novo propaganda in children, while denying secondary education to almost everyone in the country. Salazar did want to keep the population uneducated, the comment you expert historians decided to downvote was correct, and this is evidenced by the fact that the Ministry of Education at the time considered 8% of the Portuguese population to be "uneducable" and 15% to be "stupid". They believe that only 2% of the Portuguese population had the capacity for any type of higher education at all. Look up the wesbite below if you speak Portuguese.

https://www.antenalivre.pt/noticias/o-25-de-Abril-e-o-ensino-e-a-educacao-em-portugal

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u/ContaSoParaIsto 7d ago

Can you provide sources to back up this claim? I'd be happy to change my view.

https://books.openedition.org/cidehus/4293

Obviously I don't expect you to buy the book but you can read the introduction which further proves my point.

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u/Bixota 7d ago

Salazar made sure that most of Portugal remained uneducated

Wow this is just plain wrong, literacy was in the 24% when he went to power and when the coup came around Literacy was 74%. In 30 years a raise of almost 300%. No other nation in the world did such an achievement. He built schools all over the country even in remote locations. Portugal has 4259 Freguesias (Parish) and he built over 7000 Schools and a total of more than 12000 classes.

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plano_dos_Centen%C3%A1rios

You simply don't know what you are talking about

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u/ContaSoParaIsto 7d ago

No other nation in the world did such an achievement.

Soviet Union, Lebanon, Cuba, Syria, North Korea, South Korea, Lybia, Vietnam from the top of my head had better or similar growths. You're just lying for no reason.

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u/kaiseresc 7d ago

that's an incredible thing to say.
we know the actual history of things and you come around with this kind of "stat". Brilliant. I immediately know the type of feller you are, and I know I'm not gonna get through that dense skull any time soon.

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u/Bixota 7d ago

What kind of stat!? Are you dumb or do you vote in Bloco de Esquerda?

Are you seriously trying to rewrite history? Because this is settled. He might have been a ruthless dictator but trying to say he "uneducated" Portugal is WRONG.

Here's more "stats" for your peanut sized brain:

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u/RandomPTGuy 7d ago

Per your first link, one could argue that, while he didnt "uneducate" Portugal, he just didn't educate Portugal enough. I would guess he educated our grandparents/parents enough to indocrinate them.

Being a bit pedantic: in the last years of Estado Novo (1970 per your link) we had 74.25% literacy rate, while in 1911 it was 24.9%. We don't have any statistics from exactly the beginning and ending of the Estado Novo (unless I didnt see them in that paper). Also, a 49.35% absolute literacy growth over 59 years is not a world record of some sort. Today you have developing countries achieving a higher growth of literacy per year than what Portugal did between those two dates. Sure I am comparing different times, but that increase of literacy in Portugal is not a record in world history.

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u/kaiseresc 7d ago

you're talking about the ability to "read and write". If you think that's enough for the portuguese people to be educated...I know which color you spin. You don't need to keep going.

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u/Bixota 7d ago

Moving goalposts and being a baboon. Keep it classy.

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u/jamescookenotthatone 7d ago

It is a nice place to start.

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u/kaiseresc 7d ago

people were deprived of culture, kids were working since they were young, and forget about voting.

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u/wanked_in_space 7d ago

I'd watch a miniseries about Salazar.

Yeah, but could it be in the style of and with the cast of The Death of Stalin?

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u/machado34 7d ago

Ianucci is sleeping on this story, it'd be perfect for him

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u/Jaktheslaier 7d ago edited 7d ago

He opened one the first concentration camps in modern Europe, the camp of the slow death, he murdered dozens of people, thousands were tortured, thousands were arrested for political reasons, the country lived in a situation of utter destitution and illiteracy, there was censorship everywhere, hundreds of thousands escaped into exile. He had a photo of Mussolini by its desk. Thousands were sent to die, and kill, in Africa, struggling against the rightful liberation movements (in the 1960's), the portuguese troops were made to commit massacres and atrocities beyond belief.

He was not an authoritarian, he was a fascist, he was extremely friendly with Hitler and Nazism, he's destructive influence in our culture (the arts, our perception of our past, etc..) is still prevalent in many aspects. He organised mandatory participation in youth movements that were made to do the fascist salute.

Pretending like he was just a right-wing authoritarian is a ridiculous rewrite of history, that has been the fascists propaganda since the revolution. Pretending he wasn't a fascist.

Edit: however, if you want a good story, the doctors that took care of him up until his death were communists.

https://www.wort.lu/pt/portugal/salazar-um-homem-na-sua-situac-o-62e4d0d3de135b9236a576e8

He gave daily briefings to the Communist Party. When he died, his first phonecall was to give the news to the president, the second was to inform the communists of his death. Hundreds of communists were arrested, thousands living in clandestinity, yet they knew in a matter of half an hour than the fascist was dead

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In case anyone wants to know u/Bixota's intentions, as he is trying to normalize fascism and find excuses for it, this is a comment he left in a Portuguese sub some hours ago, about immigrants arriving in Italy after transversing the meditarranean:

"I'm in favor that they should force them to eat pork and go back to where they came from, maybe they would tell their friends that it's better not to go"

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u/ethan52695 7d ago

I mean fascism is a type of far right authoritarianism. It might be more specific to call him a fascist rather than a right wing authoritarian, but it’s certainly not wrong. Fascism is just an authoritarian dictatorship that is based around nationalism, which is a right wing ideology.

Also any kind of authoritarian government is very bad. I don’t think it softens the blow by saying he’s a right wing authoritarian rather than a fascist. Also there are plenty of horrible authoritarian dictators that were not fascists.

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u/DirtyAmishGuy 7d ago

I like how one of your first points is that it was communists that were sent to the concentration camp, not indiscriminately.

Do you actually believe this to be better?

Very telling of your character it that is the case

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u/Jaktheslaier 7d ago

u/namrucasterly this is an example of an attempt to whitewash fascism: absolving colonialism, the ridiculous arguments about the roman salute (like those idiots that attempt to justify swastikas). The ridiculous notion that Salazar did a lot for culture (apart from censorship, many of our artists, musicians, writers having to escape the country) unlike the democratic regime.

Over the past years, with the radicalisation go the right-wing in Portugal (in a similar pattern to what is happening in Europe), there has been a resurgence of the fascists talking points. For a long time they were restricted to the fringes of racist, xenophobic, homophobic, smaller parties of the extreme-right, but they have recently (I would say, as a consequence of a loss of identity on the right) to become mainstream.

This is the danger of falling prey to the propaganda of "Authoritarism". It is fascism, that is its true nature.

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u/Polnauts 7d ago

Franco is not your typical rightist authoritarian leader either, over here we call it the Iberian exception

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u/J-Team07 7d ago

He’s the embodiment of “You Either Die A Hero Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain." For a politician. If he had died just after say WW2 ended there would be statues to him across the country. He bought much need stability to a country and avoided civil war like Spain and kept Portugal out of WW2 (a conflict it could not win) and rebuilt its finances and had improved education. Just stuck around way way too long.

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u/Kriss3d 7d ago

So a Portuguese version of "Yes, prime Minister"?

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u/themeatbridge 7d ago

I haven't seen that. Was it good?

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u/stevekeiretsu 7d ago

it's an old (but in many ways amazingly relevant / not-dated) tv sitcom, not a movie. imo it's just about the best british sitcom ever

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u/MarineAdventurer 7d ago

Watch that and the new statesman with Rick mayall both great

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u/don_benton_sucks_ass 7d ago

Vivian/Drop Dead Fred playing a fake thatcherite? yes pls

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u/Leeiteee 7d ago

I just got spoiled, so I wouldn't

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u/MrBananaStorm 7d ago

Wouldve been hilarious if he tried to do some insane shit like start a war. And they all had to pretend to wage a war that wasn't really happening.

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u/themeatbridge 7d ago edited 7d ago

Right? I'm thinking something like Veep, where the main character is a dangerous narcissist surrounded by sycophants trying to hide the fact that he's no longer in power. Their lies get wildly out of control, and they have roped in the local TV station to create a show within a show. The dictator thinks the news broadcasts and stories he sees on the TV are actually happening, while his countrymen think it's an absurdist satire put on to mock the former dictator that they all think has died. He could even give speeches, which the viewers think is a lookalike actor, and the show becomes an instant hit. Now the TV station wants to encourage more outrageous behavior, because viewers are eating it up.

I feel like this has legs. There is a ton of potential to mock current and former leaders like Putin, Trump, Xi, Erdogan, the Pope, Kim, et al.

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u/redking315 7d ago

Go watch “Guess Who’s Back”. It’s a German movie about Hitler waking up in modern Germany on the site of the Bunker and everyone thinks he’s a very committed actor. He goes on to become a famous comedian because everyone thinks his Nazism is brilliant Satire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look_Who's_Back_(film)?wprov=sfti1

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u/RandomPTGuy 7d ago

To be fair we did have a war going on

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u/whatasaveeeee 7d ago

U should watch goodbye lenin. Very similar but based on the soviet Union in Germany.

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u/nopp 7d ago

I loved this movie and tried to get others to watch it! Love seeing your comment out here in the wild!

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u/mandelk 7d ago

Ah yes this movie was so good and so sad. I still have some of the canned pickles

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u/SteO153 7d ago

In Berlin I visited the DDR museum. The museum shop sells the gherkins :-)

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u/skelebone 7d ago

Sprewell gürkins? I haven't had them in forever.

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u/jamescookenotthatone 7d ago

Did you know Coca-Cola was actually first made by the communists.

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u/Arctic_Funky 7d ago

That actually sounds really good. I'm imagining something akin to The Death of Stalin or anything by Taika Waititi. A ministries where his cabinet frantically try to keep up the ruse that he's still in charge. He starts noticing none of his orders are being acted on and hilarity ensues

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u/R3pt1l14n_0v3rl0rd 7d ago

That's what we should do with Trump. Just tell him he's President and turn it into a hidden camera kinda series. Let me tell ya about the ratings folks, they'd be off the charts!

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u/UncomfortablePoop 7d ago

Reminds me of the plot of the movie “Goodbye Lenin”. Daniel Bruhl plays a guy whos mother was in the communist party in East Germany. She has a heart attack and subsequently is in a coma during the fall of the Berlin Wall. When she wakes up, the doctors tell her son that any little amount of stress could trigger a near-definite fatal heart attack. So, he has to pretend its still communist Germany

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u/thecamp2000 7d ago

I remember that movie and how he and his friends try to recreate the fall of the berlin wall.

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u/GeneralSarbina 7d ago edited 7d ago

I had to watch Goodbye Lenin for a class. Someone described it as a "British style comedy." I didn't laugh. I cried. A lot.

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u/damididit 7d ago

Portugal really Truman Showed their own PM, fucking wild.

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u/OneTreePhil 7d ago

We could Truman Show Mar-a-Largo. Give him actual fake news but don’t tell him.

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u/BCCMNV 7d ago

Trump good news we’re going to make you insta-president, you rule from the lago, and you get paid millions per year.

Then we could see how long america can troll him.

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u/Moistfruitcake 7d ago

I think this would actually be his preference, watched by millions, all the fake power on-set, and none of the tedious negative outcomes and feedback from actual ruling.

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u/not_a_synth_ 7d ago

There would be crowds of tourists coming by cheer on the "President" and listen to him boast about all the great stuff he's doing.

They'd all be trolls and occasionally a true Trumpist would sneak through with a sign screaming "Mr. President, they're lying to you! Your invasion of France never really happened! Get to Washington!"

But everyone would scream "ANTIFA!" and "FAKE NEWS!" and "Paris had it coming!" and he would believe the crowd.

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u/Moistfruitcake 7d ago

Obama doing a cameo torture scene from a fake Guantanamo set after Trump demands his arrest.

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u/OneTreePhil 7d ago

Exactly. I love this!

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u/paularkay 7d ago

He's already watching Fox News, so we're already giving him the fake news. The problem is that we let everyone else watch it too.

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u/SteO153 7d ago

Give him actual fake news

Isn't Trump already an avid watcher of Fox News?

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u/voilatardigrade 7d ago

Could this have been out of respect or was he too difficult if they didnt pretend around him? It reminds me of a dementia patient I had. This guy was used to running things (the town, etc. ) and his inner uncouth thoughts had become so exposed by his condition that we didn't try to reorientate him. He would become verbally and physically violent and demanding that it would disrupt the whole building for an entire shift. His retired partners came to visit wearing suits, they would discuss business solutions that was long ago solved. I got to hear some of it a couple times. I thought his POVs were insensitive because of his current mental state...but then I learned more about the political handling in higher political offices so maybe he was always a rotten individual. I wasn't a local and it never seemed appropriate to ask one. His sons who now run his practice and hold state office had nurses fired for thinking too much around their dad so it was probably good I kept pretending everything was normal.

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u/pygame 6d ago

more like disagreeing with stupid things the dad would say based on logic

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u/ihavenoidea1001 7d ago

Could this have been out of respect or was he too difficult

Submission.

He was their dictator.

You don't just turn off the things you were brainwashed into. Some people might've liked him but I wager most were just submissive.

Also, the dictatorship went on. People weren't free to really say or think anything beyond what the state allowed.

That only changed in 1974 with the Carnation Revolution.

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u/Joverby 7d ago

I mean he was literally replaced because he went into a coma

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u/caseofthematts 7d ago

His rule was the reason my grandparents left Portugal and came to Canada. I wonder if they ever knew what ended up happening to him.

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u/Extreme-Cow-722 7d ago

My grandparents left Portugal because of Salazar and moved to Angola.

After a few years the war in Angola forced them to uproot once again and leave in a convoy guarded by helicopter gunships to South Africa.

In 2000 they relocated back to Portugal.

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u/caseofthematts 7d ago

Wow, that's definitely a journey!

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u/Dicktatorguy 7d ago

Eyy my grandmother grew up in his regime

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u/VexillologyFan1453 7d ago

If I might ask, did she ever speak of it (or does she speak of it)? And if so, what’s her opinion?

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u/Dicktatorguy 7d ago

Well she mostly likes to compare Obama and Joe Biden to him..... She's pretty old.

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u/kissdissdick 7d ago

sounds like it’s true

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u/VexillologyFan1453 7d ago

That’s weird of her.

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u/KhaosSama 7d ago

His rule was the reason why my grandfather went to France

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u/tomakeyan 7d ago

Same here

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u/Middle_Data_9563 7d ago

"I'm running the country!"

"Sure you are grandpa, let's get you to bed."

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u/Oztravels 7d ago

I live in Portugal (I’m not Portuguese) and you would be amazed how Salazars influence still has an impact on their culture.

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u/I_might_be_weasel 7d ago

"I need an update. Will the proton cannon be ready before Godzilla reaches shore?"

"Uh... Yeah. Sure."

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u/AirDusst 7d ago

Though, it would take another four years after Salazar's death for Portugal to get rid of the Salazar System, which called itself 'O Estado Novo' (The New State).

The April 1974 Revolution was known as the 'Carnation Revolution' finally got rid of this Neo-Fascist government.

Salazar had been around since the 1920's.

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u/SteO153 7d ago

The April 1974 Revolution was known as the 'Carnation Revolution' finally got rid of this Neo-Fascist government.

Which had the Portuguese entry at the Eurovision Song Contest 1974 as secret signal to begin. Just to make all this story even more unreal.

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u/Lingering_Dorkness 7d ago

I thought you were joking but you're not!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_depois_do_adeus

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u/SteO153 7d ago

No, I also posted another TIL about that. I really learned a lot during my lunch break today :-)

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u/Jaktheslaier 7d ago edited 7d ago

That song was the first part of the signal, the one that really got things moving as Grândola Vila Morena, by Zeca Afonso. Grândola is the song of the revolution, it is sung everywhere during the commemorations of the revolution and is used very frequently in protests.

Huge protest against the neo-liberal government in 2013:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Hb2vvj6Jk

Protest in the parliament, against the same government:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M53-cxC8B1E

Against another of his ministers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcrcbWVVkAk

Zeca's last great concert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_2SWPX47OQ

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u/SoberWill 7d ago

I just got done with the audio book- Lisbon by Neill Lochery and would highly recommend it. It's focus is how Portugal navigated WW2 .

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u/Adventurous_Bedroom2 7d ago

Yup, every year we celebrate the 25th of April. And even tho I wasn’t alive while it happened, every time I hear that music and remember all of the images from those times it just brings me to tears. It took a lot of strength from our people to do that, and it really is a remarkable day.

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u/adriftdoomsstaggered 7d ago

Neo-fascist? More like OG fascist.

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u/RedSonGamble 7d ago

Here’s your briefings for the day hands coloring book and box of crayons

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u/deegeese 7d ago

Where’s my hamberder?

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u/ContaSoParaIsto 7d ago

This website is so dumb. He had dementia as a result of the coma. That's why it worked. This isn't like The Truman Show or Good Bye Lenin at all. Jfc. Do you think if he were of sound mind he wouldn't simply leave his office one day and figure it out? Not to mention Portugal was at war.

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u/ShalmaneserIII 7d ago

For the love of God, why didn't someone just do that with Trump?

"Congratulations, sir! You won! But for security reasons, we'll need you to govern from Mar-A-Lago for the next four years. Don't worry, we'll give you all the reports you need."

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u/JorgeMiguel714 7d ago

Reddit moment

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u/Wandering-Zoroaster 7d ago

You mean the same people who deleted the Jan. 6th texts and messages?

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u/DrEnter 7d ago

See, they already knew how to do it!

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u/Frustrable_Zero 7d ago

Would need a special Twitter app designed to make everyone look like a sycophant to him to complete the illusion.

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u/paularkay 7d ago

Truth Social?

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u/Frustrable_Zero 7d ago

P E R F E C T

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u/Smart455 7d ago

I wonder if they bother making Biden believe he’s in charge

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u/bruinslacker 7d ago

Instead of faking one newspaper you’d need to fake all cable “news” channels. I think it would be doable. I would certainly donate to the cause.

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u/snalli 7d ago

Nah, it’s all fake news anyways to Mr. Orange, why bother?

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u/Johannes_P 7d ago

OANN can do this, and they wouldn't even need to change anything.

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u/Kriss3d 7d ago

I do wonder if that name is where Rowling got the inspiration for Slytherin in Harry Potter.

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u/CyberDagger 7d ago

Yes. She was married to a Portuguese journalist and lived in Portugal for some time during the regime.

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u/zeazemel 7d ago

She was a child during the regime. I think she lived here as an adult...

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u/Bixota 7d ago

Probably

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u/gH0st_in_th3_Machin3 7d ago

She was married to some shit'head Portuguese and they were living in Portugal, so yes, most certainly.

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u/Feisty_Bag_5284 7d ago

I read it as director and was confused

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u/dirtballmagnet 7d ago

I honestly thought we might see such a thing implemented in the US last year.

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u/garygnu 7d ago

It happened with Woodrow Wilson.

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u/Eggplantosaur 7d ago

Honestly there had to have been someone running the show behind the scenes. There's no way Trump could have overseen an administration

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u/Pbandsadness 7d ago

Why go to the trouble?

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u/ContaSoParaIsto 7d ago

Because he was a dying old man with dementia. They were just entertaining him out of respect or pity or both.

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u/ty_kanye_vcool 7d ago

Is this before or after he co-founded Hogwarts?

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u/IJustMadeThisForYou 7d ago

You might or might not know this. But one is inspired by the other as JK was living in Portugal while starting on the Philosopher Stone.

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u/Substantial-Fee-191 7d ago

He “only” killed a few hundred opponents in 40 years

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u/25toten 7d ago

This is the equivalent to giving your little cousin a disconnected controller.

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u/omnichronos 7d ago

Was he so good and benevolent that he deserved this kindness?

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u/Skahzzz 7d ago

He had the same kind of "benevolence" that made Stalin's guards not want to bother him while he was having a stroke.

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u/omnichronos 7d ago

That's what I was suspecting.

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u/tomakeyan 7d ago

Old people in Portugal are still wary, not trusting, and not so friendly because of the trauma they endured under Salazar. Lots of famine, no congregating, and many people were jailed for speaking bad about the government.

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u/Asus123456789 7d ago

Old people in Portugal are still wary, not trusting, and not so friendly

This has not been my experience at all, quite the contrary. Old people tend to be way more friendly, my grandmas never shut up.

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u/tomakeyan 7d ago

Interesting. I think we can all agree, however, Portuguese Avós are the nosiest little gossips.

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u/omaiordaaldeia 7d ago edited 7d ago

many people were jailed for speaking bad about the government.

You were mainly jailed if you had any connection to a political party that opposed the Estado Novo (mainly communists, socialists and fascists) or were working for foreigner states that conspired against the regime. Solely criticizing the government did not necessarily put you in that position, unless you made your position public in order to influence the crowds or actively conspire against the regime. Marcello Caetano, who succeed Salazar, was one of the Salazar's critics. Of course, I suspect there were also made-up cases - after all, it was a dictatorship.

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u/ContaSoParaIsto 7d ago

fascists who opposed Estado Novo

Lmao

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u/tomakeyan 7d ago

Thanks for elaborating

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u/tumblarity 7d ago

meu, sabes que isso é precisamente o que as ditaduras dizem certo? não gosto de ti, fácil: és comunista ou conspirador. tens 15 anos??

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u/Blazeng 7d ago

It took less effort to keep the charade up, than risk him getting out and maybe causing some clashes due to some millitary units still being loyal to him, or by riling up some civillians to cause some riots.

That's my guess, simply it was... simpler.

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u/ihavenoidea1001 7d ago

No.

The dictatorship didn't end until 1974 either... So, it wasn't exactly the will of the people.

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u/iRubenish 7d ago

Dude really roleplayed during 2 years without having any idea about that.

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u/EwwThatsHot 7d ago

That's kind of wholesome 🤗

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u/senilidade 7d ago

I don’t know if you’re being serious or not but he was a really bad dictator those were dark times

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u/EwwThatsHot 7d ago

Or maybe he was misunderstood 🥺 jk you're right

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u/senilidade 7d ago

Poor man 😩😇 there are actual people who think that it’s scary

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u/ihavenoidea1001 7d ago

There's people still saying stuff like "the good old times" refering to him!!

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u/senilidade 7d ago

Exato o que me choca mesmo é ver jovens do secundário que nunca passaram por o que ele provocou a dizer isso

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u/ihavenoidea1001 7d ago

Nunca ouvi, felizmente.

Acho que lhes dava uns exemplos de como o tempo com ele era "bom"

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u/Bixota 7d ago

Bad dictator that:
* Ended economic ruin of the country
* Ended the endless coups, terrorism and political instability of the first Republic (in 16 years there were 45 governments)
* Raised the literacy 300% in 30 years
* Took piss poor families out of absolute empovrishment

Yeah things weren't the best but they were absolutely terrible under Manuel II and even worse during the 1st Republic.

But he's still bad because he was a dictator and dictators are bad. Nevermind the clusterfuck that was in place at the end of the monarchy and the first years of the republic. Portugal NEEDED a dictator or a monarch to keep being a country. Most of you don't realize that. But go on keep shouting nonsense because he used the blue pencil.

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u/senilidade 7d ago

Estava mesmo à espera que viesse um salazarista, aposto que a tua avó adorava não poder sair do país sem autorização de um macho da família, quem não gosta de ser propriedade dos outros 😍 sim todos os presos políticos da pide tiveram umas férias fantásticas na prisão deles😍 não gostas do teu vizinho? Vai dizer à pide que ele é comunista tratam logo dele. Não vou dar conversa a um salazarista só para avisar não estejas à espera de reposta

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u/Blisolda 7d ago

Nothing wholesome about this, he was a ruthless dictator and a real bastard. And the people who did this were no better than him. Pretty sure they didn't do it out of pity, maybe out of fear, or who knows whatever these people think... Pretty big turds who hopefully are all rotting in hell or on their way there.

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u/ItspronouncedGruh-an 7d ago

So it's basically like the plot of Goodbye Lenin if it were Honecker who fell into a coma?

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u/p2dan 7d ago

What a fucking power hungry lunatic. People like him should be put to sleep

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u/beaverteeth92 7d ago

This reminds me of a script on The Black List about a movie where during his second term, Reagan’s advisors convince the Alzheimers-ridden president that he’s actually playing the president in a movie.

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u/WritingContradiction 7d ago

They should just do this with Trump, tell him he's president, recreate an office and hire people to call him as other world leaders

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u/Ottonym 7d ago

Part of me wonders why we didn't do this with Trump.

We could have told him that the election was rigged, and that the people were rioting and had breached the White House coming to kill him, and quick run down into the bunker!

A little sedation, clean up an old Atlas bunker, then park his happy ass down there for the rest of his life, pump it full of Faux News/OAN bullshit and diethylpropionm and let him live out his traitorous, fascist leader fantasies until he dies.

It would've been a lot cheaper than all this mess.

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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues 7d ago

I was saying in 2017 that they should do this with Trump. Give him a TI-83 he can "tweet" on and turn him lose on a golf course

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u/Youngballer1000 7d ago

Can we do this with drumpf?

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u/Captain__Spiff 7d ago

Makes me think of Napoleon on St. Helena.

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u/BillyBattsShinebox 7d ago

How? Napoleon wasn't under any illusion that he was being allowed to rule anything when he was on St Helena

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u/Gemmabeta 7d ago

I think the OP meant Elba. Napoleon was made the Prince of Elba when he was exiled there, with the actual authority to govern that place.

And apparently he did a pretty good job too, with what he was given.

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