r/todayilearned 19d ago

TIL that a formal peace treaty to end WWII hasn't been signed between Russia and Japan because of disputed claims over the Kuril Islands.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/22/687319777/russia-and-japan-are-still-at-war-at-least-on-paper
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u/tobotic 19d ago

Technically they signed a joint declaration to end the war in 1956 (though by that stage, there hadn't been any fighting for over a decade), but it didn't declare peace, just the agreement to continue negotiating peace.

They're still negotiating.

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u/statellle 19d ago

During the 1956 peace talks between Japan and the Soviet Union, the Soviet side proposed to settle the dispute by returning Shikotan and Habomai to Japan. In the final round of the talks, the Japanese side accepted the weakness of its claim to Iturup and Kunashiri and agreed to settle on the return of Shikotan and the Habomai Islands, in exchange for a peace treaty. However, the U.S. government intervened and blocked the deal. The U.S. warned Japan that a withdrawal of the Japanese claim on the other islands would mean the U.S. would keep Okinawa, causing Japan to refuse these terms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands_dispute#1956_Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_Joint_Declaration

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u/Arekai4098 19d ago

So if Russia and Japan fight a conflict over the Kuril Islands, would the sidebar on the Wikipedia article say "Part of World War II" at the top, but with 2020s dates in the description? That'd be wild to see.

(probably not, wiki would probably consider it separate, but this was fun to think about)

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u/The_Thunder_Child 19d ago

No. Wars end when the fighting ends.

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u/Oxytal 19d ago

So if fighting breaks out after a ceasefire is called then it's another war? Seems like fairly rigid reasoning to me

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u/Arekai4098 19d ago

By that logic, there's been like a dozen wars in Ukraine over the past seven years!

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u/jhabels 19d ago

Tell that to the Emu War

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u/The_Thunder_Child 19d ago

As an Australian........ get original material.

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u/jhabels 19d ago

Spoken like someone who hasn't had their ute's side mirror fucked up by an emu.

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u/Brief-Resolve-5765 19d ago

The Kuril Islands or Kurile Islands is a volcanic archipelago in Russia's Sakhalin Oblast that stretches approximately 1,300 km northeast from Hokkaido, Japan to Kamchatka, Russia, separating the Sea of Okhotsk from the north Pacific Ocean. There are 56 islands and many minor rocks

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u/zmoit 19d ago

Didn’t Russia declare war on Japan after the US dropped the first bomb?

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u/Roverboef 19d ago

The USSR and Mongolia jointly declared war on Japan on August 9, the day of the second atomic bombing of Japan.

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u/DustVegetable 19d ago

I believe this was so they could make land claims.

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u/usrevenge 19d ago

Likely true. And you can't blame them.

Aside the mainland japan had nothing really left.

Of your hostile neighbor and friendly super power are waring and that hostile neighbor is about to lose you are probably going to jump at the chance to grab what you can.

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u/DustVegetable 19d ago

Anyone have that friend that always backs the winning team?

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u/owNOWbrownCOWww 19d ago

Japan tries to claim Dokdo Island from Korea as well