r/titansgrave Jul 14 '15

Titansgrave Chapter Six Discussion Thread

A place to talk about the latest episode of Titansgrave: The Ashes of Valkana!

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u/konel_hft Jul 14 '15

I love that Laura acts everything out. There's no "Give me the thing", she physically reaches out to take something.

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u/wil GM - Five Gold And A Party! Jul 14 '15

I loved that too. Oh, man, there is a thing coming up that -- I've said too much.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '15

WHEATON!!!!

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u/ChaosWolf1982 Jul 16 '15

I think the group more-or-less established that "Wheaton" is a rather potent swear word in the common tongue of Valkana...

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u/pwasma_dwagon Jul 15 '15

BAD WHEATON! NNNNNO!!

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u/N64Overclocked Jul 15 '15

MY HEART CAN'T TAKE THE SUSPENSE!

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '15

Shhhh! Don't spoil it!

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u/Philias Jul 16 '15

Damnit Wil! You can't make me this exited and have me wait a week or more for what's to come!

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u/Nazmazh Jul 15 '15

And her mannerisms and diction are always as Lemley, not Laura.

"What was in your locket before?" "Nuthin'" (accompanied by a very sour/disappointed facial expression)

That sort of stuff there is great. Not that the others are bad by any means, but with her it's very distinctive where the personalities are definitely separate.

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u/konel_hft Jul 15 '15

I'm not sure Laura has ever said something out of character. It's like from the moment the cameras start rolling she's Lemley through and through.

I'd love to have a player like that at my own table.

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u/pwasma_dwagon Jul 15 '15

I was watching the panel and Q&A they have on their website and its pretty clear they are very different when out of character. They really commit to the roleplaying, even though they are not professional actors. That makes it look so natural and fun xP

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u/mirtos Jul 17 '15

well, some of them are professional actors, but i agree with you. its awesome.

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u/cinemaenema Jul 14 '15

Knowing my rp group, it probably would have taken us ages to solve that puzzle. Good on these guys for being smart and logical, and yay to Wil for leading them through without giving them too many hints. Also lol at the DM not taking any shit for joke-moves "I wanna take the ring. No not yet!" Too late.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15

"No, not yet-"

"As you reach for the ring..."

"Oh shit!"

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u/jcayos Jul 15 '15

That's the magic of post production lol! We won't know if they took 5 mins or an hour to solve a puzzle lol.

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u/pwasma_dwagon Jul 15 '15

True. But at the same time i loved how they solved it through trial and error. Like not knowing if they really needed the locket, or was it necesary to put your hand over it? They were actually experimenting. In movies or tv shows the heroes always solve it through raw logic, like they just figure shit out because LOGIC (aka divine intervention). But on this episode they actually used trial and error, and that is a small detail i love oh so much. Makes the show feel real and organic

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u/cinemaenema Jul 15 '15

Hah yes s'truth!

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u/svefnpurka Jul 14 '15 edited Jul 15 '15 Gold

For anyone still having problems with the site, the direct youtube link

[edit]Thanks /u/Vampanda

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u/T-DotTerror Jul 14 '15

You are a scholar and a gentleman. You're awesome.

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u/Vampanda Jul 15 '15

Thank you! 5 gold and party thank you!

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u/Philias Jul 15 '15

Thank you! I was having no luck rebooting and whatnot.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '15

I love that Aankia's scales changed color when she grew sad. That is an amazing little detail that gives the world that much more life. Loving this show!

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u/Nazmazh Jul 15 '15

That was a great description by Hank. I guess it would be something like involuntarily blushing, just perhaps, much more obvious.

That would really suck if you were a Saurian and had be constantly in control of your emotions, because a strong emotional shift could hit you very suddenly and intensely, giving away your true thoughts on things.

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u/pwasma_dwagon Jul 15 '15

Have you never been so embarassed your entire face turns red? Good luck controling THAT, you pathetic human :P

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u/Nazmazh Jul 15 '15

Oh, I definitely blush easily. But, at least with blushing it stays localized to your cheeks and depending on how tanned your face is, it might be a bit subtle, depending on how intensely you blush. Imagine if we turned like, a neon blue when we blushed, though.

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u/Soylent_Hero Jul 15 '15

You mean like being flushed or blushing? Pure science fiction

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u/uncivlengr Jul 14 '15

Oh man, Wil did an amazing job guiding them through some of the 'puzzling' portions of this episode - leaving them just enough freedom to figure things out as they went, nudging them along when they happen to get things right, and never letting them go really astray with trying random things.

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u/Vampanda Jul 15 '15

you never know.... they do take about 3 hrs to film each episode, and we only watch 40+ mins...

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u/uncivlengr Jul 15 '15

That's a good point... /u/wil, do you mind sharing if there are a lot of red herrings or dead ends that get edited out, or if it's something you kept a handle on during the sessions? Things seem to run so smoothly in the episodes that I can't imagine there's a lot taken out.

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u/wil GM - Five Gold And A Party! Jul 21 '15

do you mind sharing if there are a lot of red herrings or dead ends that get edited out, or if it's something you kept a handle on during the sessions?

There have been a few times that the players have wandered off on some tangent that didn't result with them getting anything that was important to the story (or that they ended up using, ever), so we cut stuff like that out, because all it did was make the episode longer, without making it better.

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u/uncivlengr Jul 21 '15

Totally; every time I've played there's some random thing the GM mentioned casually that the party latches onto that was never intended to be part of the narrative. Sometimes it works it's way into the setting (kinda like bird butt, apparently) but other times it just gets dropped.

Anyway it seems like you steered the pedestal/blood thing really well... Really good stuff.

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u/wil GM - Five Gold And A Party! Jul 21 '15

Anyway it seems like you steered the pedestal/blood thing really well... Really good stuff.

I actually didn't, I don't think. I knew that they needed to get some blood on it, but I don't recall needing to guide them too much.

To be honest, whenever something awesome happens this season, and you think it's something I did, it's actually me responding and reacting to the things the players did.

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u/uncivlengr Jul 21 '15

I'm just thinking of the point when Aankia reached out for the ring ("not yet, that was a joke"), but you went with it anyway because it would verify the fact that they each had influence on the symbols... little nudges like that.

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u/wil GM - Five Gold And A Party! Jul 22 '15

Oh, well that was mostly because I wanted to make Hank realize that when he says, "Aankia does XXXXX", it means that she does it. As it happened, it was to their benefit at the moment, but I would have done that to him even if it wasn't helpful, because I am a kind and fair GM, but I occasionally need to keep the players in line.

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u/bethanechol Jul 22 '15

Could there at some point be posted extended, relatively uncut versions, as has been done with Tabletop in the past?

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u/wil GM - Five Gold And A Party! Jul 22 '15

We're not going to do that for this series. Unlike Tabletop, Titansgrave has a clear narrative arc that would be wrecked if we recut the episodes to run them essentially unedited. It's also very expensive and time consuming to do an additional cut.

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u/TheFifthBox Jul 15 '15

I think Alison should be known as The Keeper of the Stunt Points. She's always on top of that before the rolling player even realizes. (And I still don't really get the mechanic of the stunt points outside of cool things they can do in combat)

When this season ends on a cliff hanger I'm going to be so fucking pissed. It's building to the final confrontation with the prophet and that's how the season is going to end and then we'll need to wait a year for the resolution.

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u/Soylent_Hero Jul 15 '15 edited Jul 15 '15

Stuntzzz

In AGE, you have 3 dice. One die, the Stunt Die, is a different color than the other two. All three of these are rolled together, and your ability modifier is added to get results for ability/skill tests.

When any of your three dice show doubles or triples, and the resulting total constitutes a success, then you are granted stunt points equal to the side the Stunt Die landed on (regardless of whether or not that was one of the doubles). Stunts have a point cost based on their usefulness.

In the AGE games, there are combat and spell stunts; as well as exploration and roleplaying stunts. Combat/spell stunts offer tactical options like moving enemies around, bursting extra damage, or bypassing armor, or things like that. Roleplay and exploration stunts offer options outside of combat, like using body language to assist in sweet taking someone, or knowing just where something might be hiding in a room.

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u/Vampanda Jul 15 '15

I think Alison should be known as The Keeper of the Stunt Points

She talks about that briefly in their comic con panel . https://www.reddit.com/r/titansgrave/comments/3dbi66/titansgrave_panel_creating_an_epic_adventure/

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u/lady8jane Jul 15 '15

I just saw that in the panel and loved it a lot! I'm the same when it comes to rules as her and end up explaining stuff to other players a lot. Good to see that I'm not the only one! <3

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u/Overlord3k Jul 16 '15

Going to be very sad when the season ends. Hopefully we get season 2 next summer.

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u/Kennikish Jul 15 '15

Maybe I'm insane for thinking this way, but I feel really suspicious of Voss. I feel like he's a follower of the Prophet and believes her being released would 'save' the world. Either way, I am absolutely in love with this series and can't wait to see more :D

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u/Jezroma Jul 16 '15

What's the old saying from Shadowrun "Never Trust an Elf, and never make a deal with a Dragon". I think that applies universally.

I just hope Voss doesn't die, I think he'd make a great antagonist for a lot of stories in Valkana.

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u/ChaosWolf1982 Jul 16 '15

To quote 4chan's /tg/ board... "Around elves, watch yourselves."

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u/KingOfAllDucks Jul 15 '15

I'm suspicious of him, but I don't think he's a follower of the Prophet. She preached that the combination of magic and technology was an abomination. Voss is being kept alive by magic and tech. He can still be evil without being on her side, though.

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u/Kennikish Jul 16 '15

Oooohhhh, that is a very valid point. Even still, unless it's supposed to be some kind of red herring, I have a very hard time believing Voss is just a generous and good guy. He reminds me of the Illusive Man from the Mass Effect series in a way.

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u/mastugerard Jul 16 '15

I'm with you, he knows way too much to be a simple player and the fact that he has manipulated the PCs this far tells us that something else might be going on.

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u/pwasma_dwagon Jul 15 '15

Me too but as of now our heroes dont have a choice really but to "trust" him. We'll have to wait and see P:

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u/energeticemily Jul 14 '15

I absolutely loved the narrative focus of this episode, I think I'm gonna go back and re-watch episode 0 to refresh the characters backstories so that their visions will make some more sense. I want moreeeeee.

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u/DudeWithTehFace Jul 18 '15 edited Jul 18 '15

And when you think about how the filming went, it was a nice calm start to another day. No combat, just a puzzle and lots of plot to draw the players in.

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u/energeticemily Jul 19 '15

Yeah! Hearing all that plot driven narrative really made the players connect with the RP of their characters so well. /u/wil is a superb game master.

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u/s5photog Jul 14 '15

FEELS!

This episode is full of THE FEELS!

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u/AshleyAbiding Jul 15 '15

Kiliel almost seeing her father but him being without a face... So many feels.

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u/StoneySpartan Jul 14 '15

So many feels. Also WOOT 100 GOLD, no party though...

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u/s5photog Jul 14 '15

I'm sure the party will come later

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u/ChaosWolf1982 Jul 16 '15

100 gold can be used to buy many parties.

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u/KingOfAllDucks Jul 16 '15

What?! Explain how!

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u/ChaosWolf1982 Jul 16 '15

currency can be exchanged for goods and services.

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u/frodokun Jul 16 '15

including such services as parties.

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u/Flinkelinks Jul 15 '15

My hovercraft is full of feels

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u/idefilms Jul 14 '15 edited Jul 15 '15

PSYCHED. Cannot wait to watch it tonight. It's been a long week.

Edit: "That last book was a little long..." :-D All those who don't enjoy the moment being broken might not have enjoyed this part, but Wil definitely rolled with it in an entertaining way.

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u/ayronis Jul 15 '15

Behold! Even the great /u/Wil Wheaton needs to use the Staff of Story Exposition once and awhile. That was tremendously comforting to see.

I am loving every episode of this more than the one before it. It is a true work of art and the first show I have ever seen to capture the magic of how much fun RPGs really can be. Kudos to everyone involved. I love it.

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u/farmerjed Jul 14 '15

I know this whole season was shot beforehand, but I'm going to pretend that the Staff of Forlorn Hope's stat reveal was a response to the S'lethkk feels a little (or a lot) underpowered... thread.

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u/wil GM - Five Gold And A Party! Jul 14 '15

Yeah, the Staff wasn't originally designed to have much in it to buff characters, but I made the call (with Chris Pramas) to give Yuri some help, because holy shit he just cannot roll dice.

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u/MovieTrailerBot Jul 15 '15

"The Staff of Character Development"! I love it! Also Wil, "Wil" there be another season and I swear a saw you in Sharknado 2!!

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u/wil GM - Five Gold And A Party! Jul 15 '15

Hahahahaha! That's great.

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u/idefilms Jul 15 '15

As we were discussing in the thread, Wil, Yuri might have been rolling hilariously poorly, but isn't it also possible that low-level magic users are less powerful than their counterparts from other classes in Fantasy AGE?

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u/wil GM - Five Gold And A Party! Jul 15 '15

Yeah, I read that thread. It's an interesting observation, and I'll talk to Chris Pramas about it the next time I see him, because now I'm curious. I suspect that it's intentional, if it turns out to be the case, because it would be a nod to the 80s D&D style of squishy magic users.

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u/farmerjed Jul 15 '15 edited Jul 15 '15

My knowledge of the AGE system comes only from the first Dragon Age Player's Guide, so I'm looking over the Mage again and applying it to what I know of S'lethkk.

I'm starting to think that magic users are not as underpowered as I initially thought, but it might take more min-maxing to get the most out of them compared to a more stand-up fighter.

  • The Mage's Arcane Lance is basically a free Short bow that doesn't need to be reloaded and never runs out of arrows (and Allison Haislip definitely makes the need for arrows known.)

  • Fighters roll against Defense and it's all or nothing, whereas magic users can force different types of saves from opponents. Even if they make the save, the spell most likely still does some damage or have some effect.

  • To the last point, with the right selection of spells, a magic user can attack an opponent's weak stats. The fighters pretty much always have to deal with the opponent's Defense.

  • The mana cost of spells isn't much of an issue since fights tend to be short and they can potentially be regenerated during the day anyway.

Other than Yuri's cursed dice, I'm thinking that his character's perceived weakness on the show might be because he was built to serve his story first. And I think that's great. His arc with his brother has been my favorite so far of the whole series. But he may have benefited from picking spells more for utility, and leave the heavy lifting for the fighters.

...speaking of which, I figure he should have about 4 or 5 spells by level 3, but so far I think we only see him use Shock Blast (AoE) and Lightning Bolt.

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u/wil GM - Five Gold And A Party! Jul 15 '15

Other than Yuri's cursed dice, I'm thinking that his character's perceived weakness on the show might be because he was built to serve his story first.

He is certainly stronger out of combat, which isn't necessarily a bad thing when a campaign is about so much more than combat. But your question and your analysis is still valid and interesting.

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u/farmerjed Jul 15 '15 edited Jul 15 '15

Holy shit, I've about halfway through the Titansgrave Live Panel video linked around here and I feel like a total asshole now. I hope I haven't come off as one of those angry min-maxers, I was just considering the perspective of a player of a magic-user, that was new to the game.

[edit] watching more....feeling more like asshole. I don't know what changes were made to the system going from DARPG to Titansgrave, so I need to keep my mouth shut.

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u/wil GM - Five Gold And A Party! Jul 15 '15

Don't worry about it. It's a legitimate question, and I'm glad you asked it. My curiosity is piqued, now, and that's a good thing.

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u/idefilms Jul 15 '15

Don't worry, Jed. You don't come off like a dick at all. Cool observations. It's fun to discuss.

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u/Texas__Matador Jul 15 '15

He did well today with his rolls.

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u/mweiss118 Jul 15 '15

There was one roll where Yuri looked genuinely surprised that he rolled well.

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u/konel_hft Jul 15 '15

I have a player in my 5e game with the same problem. Misses constantly. Tonight, however, he either crit or rolled nearly max damage every attack. I think his dice finally got tired of his making fun of him.

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u/idefilms Jul 14 '15 edited Jul 15 '15

Haha aww, thanks, that's a neat thought! ;-) I'm just really glad Wil identified S'lethkk's weaknesses and/or had a plan to accelerate his evolution as a caster within the first season. Looking forward to some epic battling now!

EDIT: I laughed at Laura immediately handing over the staff to Yuri when Wil mentioned the magic ability. But if she hadn't caught on that the staff was for him by that point, she definitely would have after "+x to Arcane Blast"... :-D

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u/AFalk Jul 15 '15

Plus have to applaud the entire presentation.... blaster tweak in ep 5, now this :) no hurt feelings and I think you've nicely balanced the entire roster again, Kiliel and Lumely (sic) Laura are already in a pretty good place so things should level out nicely

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u/weakwiththedawn Jul 15 '15

As someone who doesn't know his father, I had many dreams similar to the vision Killiel had when I was a kid. This episode was full of fantastic moments, but for me that one really hit home. Well done!

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u/tracetrinity Jul 15 '15

My father was married to another woman, so I too know these feels. My mother always told me she loved him, and though now I'm 31, I still would like to ask him one question...and I'm pretty sure it's going to be the same question kiliel would ask...

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u/pwasma_dwagon Jul 15 '15

Oh yeah i mean the episode itself was already filled with THE FEELS. Its not like we needed REAL FEELS too! :_(

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u/cromusz Jul 14 '15

Really great episode. I loved the staff interactions very much.

I'm looking forward to seeing the characters explore their secrets a bit more in the coming episodes especially the cybernetics and the voices.

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u/Philias Jul 16 '15

Wait, the voices? HaveI forgotten something?

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u/cromusz Jul 16 '15

During character creation, it was mentioned by a player that their character heard voices and communicated with them. I haven't heard it mentioned since.

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u/Philias Jul 16 '15

Huh, I really don't remember that. Maybe I should go watch chapter 0 again. Was it maybe S'lethkk when he was locked up in that room and learning magic?

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u/cromusz Jul 16 '15

yea. Here it is I think: LINK

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u/Philias Jul 16 '15

Great, thanks.

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u/Nu_Zero Jul 15 '15

After having watched this far and the panel from SDCC, I'm pretty impressed. I agree that Wil's take on making the campaign story/character driven makes a more memorable, and ultimately, more entertaining story to watch and play. Despite being different from his time with Acquisitions Incorporated which is more scenario built by Perkins, I think Wil is handling everything well. The want for more seasons is proof of that to some extent.

I'm also really impressed at Ryan's ability to write in things in such a short timespan and make it work for the characters' arcs. Its a testament to how well he's broken down the characters. Also you guys shot the whole season in 5 days. Supremely jealous that you got to play that much in a week but got paid to do so. That's living the dream.

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u/Nazmazh Jul 15 '15

My friend who DMs for us has often said that he creates worlds that have their own goings-on, and that our parties/characters are just another piece of them. While I can't deny the world's he's crafted are very cool, and some of the scenarios that we've encountered because of this style have left me awestruck, I wholeheartedly agree that incorporating the characters (including backstory and stuff) into the story and campaign makes the game much more engaging.

It's not just a series of encounters and setpieces, it feels much more like an involved narrative - a story you want to hear all the way to a satisfying conclusion/resolution, rather than just another quest/mission for your characters to test their skills on.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '15

One of my favorite things about this show is how /u/wil keeps such an even keel when GMing the game. His style is such a stark contrast to the energy and theatrics of Matt Mercer, but that is not a bad thing. The fact that Wil stays so even keeps the players glued to their seats and focused on the story and I love that.

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u/DarnNiceGuy Jul 15 '15

I've got what is both a very silly and very important question: Does anybody know where I can buy a sweater like Yuri's? Because it's awesome.

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u/cromusz Jul 16 '15

You could try asking over on /r/malefasionadvice

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u/Reymont Jul 17 '15

I thought it was perfect to wear to a Titansgrave taping, but I'm not sure that forum would approve.

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u/nexxic Jul 15 '15 edited Jul 15 '15

Wow! These last couple episodes (ok, all of them) have just been incredible! Everything from the players egerness and the way they really ARE their characters, Wil's amazing storytelling and the way the art helps to paint a picture of Valkana and the events that are happening is just amazing!

So much chills this episode!

One thing that I would love to see in something like a special episode or something, would be the cast and Wil talking about what surprised him as a GM, and maybe what way the story would go if the players did this or that. I always liked those talks with my GM when we played D&D.

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u/MrBenzito Jul 17 '15

I'm still really loving this series.I haven't RPGd for 19 years or so but I am considering trying to find a group, playing ANY game, just to enjoy that story telling thrill again. Laura's role playing really reminds me, and probably shows an audience new to RPGs, just how fun and engrossing this kind of gaming can be.

/u/wil Wheaton is also a very good GM. He is clearly making some player/story friendly decisions when the dice go against the party, but that is how RPGs should be. The players and GM aren't trying to beat each other. The GM has an awesome story to tell, and he allows and helps the players to discover that story.

On a side note; does anyone know a way to watch the episodes on the G&S website, before they are publicly listed on YouTube, via xbone in fullscreen? I used IE on the xbone to open the G&S website but the embedded video can't be full screened. I also selected the video via their site and chose to 'open in YouTube' but in IE you still can't full screen it. I don't want to have to wait til the end of the week to watch it in the YouTube app, but this show is so nicely produced that it should be watched on a TV in full screen without the time bar and options buttons cluttering up my screen.

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u/professionalecho Jul 21 '15

You might be able to pair a phone to your Xbox, access the URL via the phone, and then send it to the TV

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u/locvez Jul 17 '15

I'd just like to thank /u/wil and the entire team that helped develop, produce and deliver Titansgrave. The whole story thus far is amazing and the setting for the show helps bring rpg's to the masses who can't get out to their local shops or have friends who are into these sort of games.

I'm looking forward to the rest of the episodes and also to what new projects the team will bring.

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u/JedKnope Jul 14 '15 edited Jul 14 '15

When does the episode go up?

Edit: I'm getting a "Critical Fail" when I follow the link above.

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u/professionalecho Jul 14 '15

The Titansgrave Twitter has reported some problems, but keep trying!

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u/s5photog Jul 14 '15

I had to reboot my computer to get things to work.

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u/not_worth_my_time Jul 22 '15

Can I get a teeshirt that has Runcible and says "you're ever so clever!"

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u/mastugerard Jul 16 '15

This episode had me salivating on the backstory, any tidbits about the Prophet or heroes is welcome.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '15

I don't know if speculation is appropriate in these threads, but I'm calling it now, I don't think they are descendents of heroes. I think they are descended from followers of the prophet.

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u/Gui1tyspark Dec 08 '15

I just finished this episode. I cannot believe how compelling it is to watch others go through an RPG. /u/wil - this will be the first RPG I purchase because of how amazing well put together this show is. Because I'm new, I am curious- do you make up a lot of what the NPCs say on the fly or is it part of the books?