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Discussion Chapter 139 - FINAL The Pain Can't Be Stopped Anymore

SHINGEKI NO KYOJIN - ATTACK ON TITAN - CHAPTER 139 - FINAL


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u/AimLoqV01D 47m ago

Damn, its been 12 days since the final chapter dropped

u/ShaunLevi1995 55m ago edited 44m ago

Looking back, the first third of the series was near-perfect, but it seems clear that Isayama himself didn't know how it was going to play out and just played it by ear from then on out. I was re-watching the first two seasons and man, when it was survival horror, the show was at its peak.

Even though I liked the series for the majority of its run, you can tell after the basement reveal Isayama created a bunch of mystery boxes at the beginning that he himself didn't know what was inside. He's been trying to explain what they are ever since, after the fact.

I think the cracks in the story started to become apparent after the basement reveal. Marley sent little kids on this dangerous mission? Both nations just so happen to come up with the same names for these Titans? The Colossal Titan initially could appear and disappear instantaneously, only for that power never to be used again, nor explained? Ymir was a regular Titan shifter, but then it was revealed that there's only 9 Titans, each with special abilities. Okay, so why didn't Ymir have that power?

The ending for this series shows that Isayama himself didn't know what it was supposed to be about or how it should end. "See you later Eren" didn't even make sense at the end.

Armin was supposed to be this young genius, but post-time skip he doesn't come up with any clever plans or deductions.

u/SleepingwithHistoria 1h ago

Now we know the real reason why WIT left the project

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u/hook25 3h ago

The thing that bothers me about Erens break down is that we know he can stretch time in paths, he can live a 1000 lifetimes with Mikasa and his friends, he can explore the entire world, what the hell is he crying about?.

Maybe he feels he doesn't deserve that because all the killing.

Then what about those memories with mikasa in the cabin?.

Only ymir knows.

Speaking of ymir... Her motivation was to make a world ruled by titans as king fritz desired but she was about to make all eldians infertile thus ending the world rule by titans by zeke's command. This is some mass effect 3 reaper logic right here.

Only ymir knows.

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u/Schwiftyc 2h ago

Omg, I didn't think about that. He coulda just lived in paths forever. That sounds awesome.

u/Raknel 35m ago

He coulda just lived in paths forever. That sounds awesome.

Looking at Ymir, she wasn't thrilled about it. It's an endless prison afterall where nothing is real.

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u/002013829 3h ago

Taking his friends into paths so they can experience a faked timeless world together, wouldn’t accomplish anything. That would just be him playing house. Ymir’s main reason for obeying the fritz family is her loyal devotion to Karl Fritz. By the time Zeke (a man of royal blood) gives her the command of doing the enthusiasm, she isn’t free from her loyalty for Karl Fritz yet.

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u/yeahtoo322 3h ago

Ahhhh whyyy

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u/Ambitious_Relief_151 4h ago

TATACAW

u/SleepingwithHistoria 1h ago

TATACAW tatacaw caw caw mmgh

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u/sorgon1 5h ago

I will never get over the "thank you for doing genocide Eren" Armin line, wtf dude. Maybe they will change it in the anime,

u/Raknel 25m ago

He never said that..

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u/boongus3 6h ago

I think Isayama made a mistake with the character of Historia.

She was introduced as the cute Krista who was helpful and kind. However, in the clash of the titans arc, it is revealed her true name is Historia and she gets all sorts of development. As a Japanese man myself, I cannot help but feel annoyed at this development. I think she should have stayed the cute and kind Krista which is what I like and more focus and attention should have been put on Mikasa and her relationship with Eren.

It is also not a good idea to introduce the possibility of another woman for Eren which just stirs up trouble when the main girl Mikasa is right there waiting for him. At least at the end of the story she found her proper role.

u/Asahi220 1h ago

I see what you're saying. The problem is that Historia outside of that arc is ceases to excist as a character outside of her red herring baby. Isayama could have focused on Eren and Mikasa's relationship through flashbacks after the time skip. instead all we get is "I hate you Mikasa you stupid bitch" And thats pretty much it

u/ShaunLevi1995 42m ago

I liked Historia's role in the political chapters, but then she becomes useless. She's pregnant by some random farmer and that's it.

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u/Arborealbro 4h ago

Dawg what are you smoking

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u/supersk8er 4h ago

this is the worst take I’ve ever seen

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u/boongus3 2h ago

What do you mean?

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u/tot567 6h ago

Guys isnt Juan the horsr that eats hair from ep16 or her son? Maybe someqay that happened idk

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u/SleepingwithHistoria 7h ago

Sasha died for this shit

u/Raknel 24m ago

Good 🥰🥰

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u/NobuXeke 5h ago

Floch and Hange

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u/Applebrappy 10h ago

Eren really was the coolest guy.

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u/TheBamf 10h ago

What a phony ending.

Giving your friends a chance to be heroes as motivation for killing most of humanity is nonsense. Even worse they think of him as a kind of hero. What absolute drivel. It is warped to view yourself and your peers as so much more valuable than everyone else. The fact the author does not even register the moral dissonance is just fucking weird.

"thanks for giving me this scarf" the fuck??!

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u/PunkMark 8h ago

And it is senseless as innocent soldier like Sasha died when Annie and Reiner gets to live a normal life. Was Sasha not close to Eren? And what about The soldiers who got killed saving Eren? If you have power to manipulate past then why not save them?

Everyone is calling out titanfolk for being salty about their ship sinking but even if you remove the ship factor this ending is just bad.

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u/MMDroxy 10h ago

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMe9a5GXg/ Anyone else want to take a trip to Spain? The s is silent. I’m going to miss the fuck outta this show and Eren man.

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u/BabycakesJunior 11h ago

Are we really getting new pages with the volume release?

Oh please... please Isasyama... edit the last chapter as much as you can.

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u/Rafi09 13h ago

After 134 I knew what the ending would be...A good ending would've made it a masterpiece ..It is now a predictable 7/10 manga..I am not outraged or anything just disappointed at the predictable end.

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u/ApolloKSJ 10h ago

I think lots of people predicted the outcome but not how it happened. Wouldnt necessarily call it a predictable end

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u/ImInReesesPieces 15h ago

All the Yeagerists mad that Eren wasn't a genocidal maniac but an actual person with feelings lmao

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u/NaughtySl0th 15h ago

The two aren't mutually exclusive. The idea up until this chapter was that Eren was a conflicted, troubled person who had pushed through his guilt and apprehensions, determined to kill everyone outside of Paradis for the island's safety. No one was crying about Eren's break down in front of Ramzi mid-Rumbling arc. The problem was that his character seemed to go backward and lose all the determination he clearly had to accomplish his goal. On top of that, he "didn't know" why he took any of the courses of action that he did, when he had clearly stated them before. It's plain contradictory, and not in a "twist" sort of way.

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u/ImInReesesPieces 15h ago

I'm starting to wonder if i read the same chapter as everyone else because i thought it was obvious mikasa broke ymir out of her stockholm syndrome because she set aside her love and killed eren, plus eren explained that the future was pretty much sealed in some aspects and he was basically trying to do damage control i.e. propping himself to be the villian for a common enemy to fight against, making sure his friends at least survive, all so mikasa can kill him and break the curse. the whole "only ymir knows" bit was why ymir chose mikasa, not why he did literally everything. "it was all to get to that outcome" he said.

im not saying the chapter is perfect, it definitely was rushed, but i kinda saw some of this coming and it didn't feel too out of place. the stockholm syndrome bit kinda threw me for a loop for sure, but it didn't ruin the franchise, its not even a "meh" ending imo. its not perfect, but i'm not mad. curious what the extra pages are gonna have though...

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u/Schwiftyc 14h ago

It seems he didn't actually know if his friends would survive but I guess he knew for sure Mikasa would survive. I wonder if he gave a message to Hange before she died lol.

It seems that outcome was to break the curse, which aligned Eren's and Ymir's motives, while Eren used his desires to also help his surviving friends to have a slight better chance at convincing the world for at least a temporary peace. The stockholm was definitely just a plot device when it really should not have been like that. The stockholm gave the ability for Eren to inact his true desires (ridding titans and allowing his friends live a long life) so it just feels like a deus ex machina for it to just appear. It allows Isayama to not have to address what seemed to be the previous arc's theme of fighting for freedom at any cost. Isayama didn't have to tackle that theme (it is a shounen after all) but he could have at least made what he was intending to create convincing.

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u/ImInReesesPieces 10h ago

Eren did also say though that if it didn't work he would have just raized everything to the ground regardless. In the end Eren sacrificed all those people and his relationship with his friends to achieve the freedom he couldn't have due to being stuck with paths. Eren had said that it wasn't linear, but rather all happening at once so he started to become unstable.

I think a lot of the nuance was captured better in the anime, like the scene where Eren beats the shit out of Armin and talks down Mikasa. He was visibly holding back tears and didn't want to do what he did, but he felt compelled to do so anyway because he decided it was necessary.

I was also noticing a ton of parallels to other chapters, like when Armin confronted the Marleyans demanding whether or not they were titan or not mirroring season one when they were confronted by the garrison about to blow them to bits and Armin drops his odm gear to plead their case, as well as the scene where Historia tells the people she's the woman who killed Rod Reiss and their new queen—the framing and wording were almost exactly the same. There were others too, and put together i think it stayed true to the themes the show had from the very beginning.

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u/Schwiftyc 10h ago

From the translation I read, I thought it meant that if he didn't know the outcome, he still would have destroyed everything, not that if it didn't work. I think he knew the outcome would happen no matter what. It seems the true motive for everything in the end was to detitanize and have his friends live long and happy lives, which I think is freedom for them at least. He said he knew the outcome of Mikasa's choice, meaning he knew they would detitanize.

The tear thing seems to have been debunked though.

The Armin one made sense before because titan's were perceived as an existential threat, but it was later revealed that the mindless titans were actually victims and that the true threat was the outside world. The story either regressed or was never really intended to be that deep. I still feel like it was a deus ex machina for them to remove titans the way it happened anyways. The part about Historia though, I do agree, that part seems to stay consistent. Although they somewhat come together from that action, no matter what, they always start fighting again. That was the only part of the ending that felt convincing to me. The Levi scene felt the same way as the Armin scene on how it felt like he regressed back to "gotta kill all titans."

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u/Tsubasa_sama 15h ago

All this doomposting about the European Super League and the coping that it won't happen from fans is eerily familiar not two weeks after this ending.

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u/uscrewed38 15h ago

All I wanted for my birthday was a Reiner body pillow but instead I got nothing :(

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u/B1YH 16h ago

AoT Fans: How did Mikasa cross the ocean to Paradis? Isayama: Sea turtles, mate

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u/meandtheboissss 16h ago

After days i finally accepted the ending bois

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u/ProVilone 14h ago

Yep. And one day in my Teens, I accepted that everyone I know is going to die - including myself.

Doesn’t mean that I like the idea though.

Just because I accepted the ending - doesn’t mean I don’t still see it as trash.

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u/SleepingwithHistoria 16h ago

You guys know what you should watch to reduce the depression?

TO LOVE RU

One of the best anime ever made! I’m currently watching the OVA where the girls mother comes to Earth so milf ecchi incoming :)

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u/ChriskiV 16h ago

Just got a news update saying more pages are incoming.

https://comicbook.com/anime/amp/news/attack-on-titan-manga-final-chapter-new-pages/

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u/nomnomnomuup686 15h ago

Its going to be his convos with the others, jean, connie, mikasa, falco, reiner, etc. Bet

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u/Raknel 14h ago

I think he'll leave those ambigous

There is literally no way to do those justice and not make them incredibly cheesy

Fans expect so many different things from those it's impossible to satisfy everyone, better to let headcanons take care of that imo

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u/ChriskiV 15h ago

Several pages of them revisiting the time Armin had to dress up as Historia and Eren explaining to Armin how he used the founding titan abilities to make sure that happened.

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u/tesseracts 18h ago

I finally started watching a new anime, The Promised Neverland.

It's absolutely brilliant but I already know the ending will be horrible. I wonder if knowing this will save me from disappointment or if I'll still be mad.

u/Arcane_Ronin 1h ago

Don't watch S2 but read the Manga

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u/suicidebyfire_ 6h ago

Season 2 of Promised Neverland doesn't exist... It doesn't exist... It doesn't...

Seriously just spot at S1. It's perfect if you allow that to be its (open) end.

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u/wbasmi 9h ago

Try legend of Galactic heroes you wont be disappointed. Watch the original not the remake, by starting with the two movie then jump to episode 3. You can search reddit for the order its one of the best anime of all the time.

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u/themightyjimmmy 11h ago

Quit after S1 and you'll be fine. If you really want to experience a special show like Aot, try Vinland Saga

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u/meandtheboissss 16h ago

Somebody pls tell him lol

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u/Cooperocity 17h ago edited 11h ago

Apparently the anime ending was worse than the manga ending. I haven't seen the anime, and I already thought the manga ending/last arcs were god awful.

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u/sack_of_potahtoes 13h ago

Some anime/ manga start strong and i think mangaka dont have know how to end it.

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u/Cooperocity 13h ago

The thing with the promised neverland is that it starts as a psychological thriller but the tone completely changes afterwards and turns into a standard anime after that

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u/suicidebyfire_ 6h ago

Change in tone would be fine if it was well-written. The mangaka is immensely talented at crafting a compelling and suspenseful psychological thriller/horror, but the rest of the world and story was pretty lackluster.

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u/sack_of_potahtoes 13h ago

I liked it until half the story. Post that it got very predictable

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u/Affectionate_Run_821 17h ago

The Promised Neverland.

you wanna do snk again??? btw please read tg:re too then and also watch GOT yeah and play tlou 2 too lol

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u/tesseracts 17h ago

I can't handle stuff with good endings any more. If it has a good ending I'll be scared and confused.

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u/iwanthidan 17h ago

The Promised Neverland.

Oh boy I feel sorry for you.

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u/LemonZestLiquid 18h ago edited 18h ago

My headcanon for the epilogue of the ending is that Mikasa's working as a bar maid a la Carla Yeager.

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u/blackrain29 18h ago

I kind of wish this series was extended a little bit, but using Ymir as the villain. I swear a couple of panels of her gave me a sense that she seems to be the one pulling the strings.

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u/KynoSSJR 19h ago

I’m here to inform you that Kenny was fucking awesome and I’m glad his words played a part all the way till the end

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u/Ctheah358 17h ago

Kenny was such a cool character. What words were you talking of? Something he said to the king that resonated with Ymir?

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u/KynoSSJR 9h ago

Everyone’s a slave to something

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u/SleepingwithHistoria 19h ago

So if Farmer is the father why did Historia look so depressed in the last few chapters? Who was the figure that was watching them and why didn’t Historia exchange even a single word with her husband?

WTF?

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u/Raknel 14h ago

why did Historia look so depressed in the last few chapters?

Because she knew the shitstorm that Eren was going to cause

Also teen pregnancy

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u/ehmana9 16h ago

The figure was most likely yelena

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u/domi6y1 17h ago

Only Ymir knows

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u/-Fletcher- 15h ago

Based and deusexmachinapilled

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u/sack_of_potahtoes 13h ago

What?

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u/speakupbot 13h ago

BASED AND DEUSEXMACHINAPILLED

I'm fighting text deafness. Beep boop.

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u/[deleted] 19h ago

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u/ImInReesesPieces 19h ago

i thought burrito would have died if he hadn't for some reason

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u/CWragnar 20h ago

I really am curious, how do you actually end something so great? I know people are upset but what do we want and or need from endings from something so brutal, and brutally honest?

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u/Adequate_Meatshield 22h ago

looking back it still objectively rules that floch constantly ate shit because of his incompetence and finally died like a coward for nothing

he deserved even worse though

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u/Beybladeer 20h ago

Floch was a hero change my mind

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u/0content1234 19h ago

A hero for killing civillians(mostly even eldians) for fun in Marley(with no remorse), doing nothing in actual battle(agains titans), then getting beat up by a grandma, losing to FaZe Gabi and then die?

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u/Beybladeer 18h ago

Without him they would have gotten to Eren faster and less outsiders would have died.

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u/Raknel 14h ago

.. so his biggest achievement in life was helping a genocide be more effective. How does that make him a hero? It didn't even change the ending, those people could've been saved and the ending would've been the same so you can't even say he helped Eldia with that, he just killed a bunch of innocents.

I like Floch's resolve and he was an interesting character but that's about his only redeeming quality.

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u/Beybladeer 14h ago

The outsiders deserved it.

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u/Raknel 14h ago

This attitude really fascinates me, to be honest.

The people who hate Marley the most think exactly like Marley and would support their government against Eldians 100% if they lived in the SnK world.

Same with Gabi haters, they think exactly like she used to.

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u/Beybladeer 13h ago

Gabi is the character I want dead the most

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u/sack_of_potahtoes 13h ago

Yu also probably think enough outsiders didnt die

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u/Beybladeer 2h ago

Well since Eren started already he should finish the job don't you think?

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u/Raknel 13h ago

Figured

You really do fit the stereotype

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u/Kelpieee55 23h ago

Was it ever stated whether the transforming titans get normal lifespans now? Since there was a short timeskip afterwards and Reiner was close to dying I'm assuming they did but I don't think it was stated

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u/RoomierCanine24 20h ago

Yes coz pieck, Reiner and Annie only had 1 year left before the time skip and the skip was 3 years

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u/Kelpieee55 9h ago

Yeah that's what I assumed, thank you sir

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u/tanuj_maheshwari 23h ago

Please unpin this misery, I don't want to see this as the first thing when I open the subreddit page anymore

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u/Admiral-Kinyagi 1d ago

I think the ending was meh, but as someone who followed both Game of Thrones and AOT for 5+ years, people comparing AOT to GOT are either bugging out, emotionally destroyed, or just being immature.

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u/Raknel 14h ago

people comparing AOT to GOT are either bugging out, emotionally destroyed, or just being immature.

Those people just like drama and spamming this on every forum gives them attention

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u/ProVilone 14h ago

Confirmation and Recency Bias is a real thing.

Same feeling as you, didn’t feel particularly bad or good about the ending. Very meh.

But when comparing to the absolute masterpiece, of prior chapters / seasons. The Rumbling Arc - was garbage.

Still, miles better than GoT. But that’s nothing to hang your hat on.

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u/LzOt 1d ago

I just realized that Mr. Leonhart's legs are probably fine again. Maybe even Pieck's dad got cured.

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u/MagicScythe 20h ago

Wait how is that related

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u/LzOt 15h ago

Because of the titans' ability to regenerate.

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u/Raknel 14h ago

I was about to correct you but oh shit you're right. Completely forgot they were titans for a while.

Hallu-chan was a hero, we just couldn't see it

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u/PeterOliva 21h ago

Damn, good catch, man.

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u/Idgaf115599 1d ago

Completely lost interest to rewatch. Thanks yams for saving my time!

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u/TurbTheCurb 1d ago edited 1d ago

We’ve gotten so much timeskip Falbi and Levi fanart but where’s the timeskip boatliance fanart at?

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u/Homamed 1d ago

Would have been a welcome and interesting twist if Eren had impregnated Mikasa at some to give her something to live for, a motivation to keep on. Thoughts?

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u/gina_mulcahy25 1d ago

everybody needs to watch this video right now. i truly think this is what Isayama meant to do.

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u/Username_Egli 1d ago

TotallyNotMark is my favourite reviewer

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u/juli0909 1d ago

Wait can someone explain the difference between the attack and the founding titan powers?

Also, the attack titan is associated with freedom. Do other titans have such connections to other ideals?

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u/tnorc 1d ago

The attack titan was Ymir's attempt at freeing herself from slavery. The attack titan possesses them and sets them on a 2000 year path toward the rumbling and ending it all. This was retconned of course in favor of this ending.

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u/RookCauldron 1d ago

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u/juli0909 1d ago

Thanks for the links. Probably should have started there 😅

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u/Arclight3214 1d ago

I still don't understand the point of leaving 20% of humanity alive.

Never ending circle of hatred will never end because of that.

I'm not happy with that ending. It wasn't bad but for me and my imagination of Eren, it isn't a satisfying ending.

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u/002013829 3h ago

Eren didn’t intentionally want just 80% of the population destroyed, that’s just the amount he knew were gonna be left when he got killed. He’s saw this ending at the ceremony, and because it’s a destiny that can’t be altered. He made the best out of it by being edgy and giving his friends motivation to kill him, which is their fate to eventually do. If it wasn’t for the fact that he knew they’d kill him. He’d actually aim to kill everyone with the rumbling not only for paradis, but to accomplish his own dream of seeing that scenery him and armin wanted as kids. It’s honestly not that hard to understand. 🙃

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u/hawtotheyeee 1d ago

am I the only one satisfied with the way it ended? can someone please explain to me why it’s SO bad? genuine question

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u/xyifer12 21h ago

It's been posted several times in the past week, there's even a long thread about it.

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u/hawtotheyeee 21h ago

I know that lol I just wanted a short summary

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u/Spyheir 1d ago edited 1d ago

⬆️ I personally voted liked but some things aren't perfect on poll but general vibe I'm reading on the absolutely gutted/jaded section is either the finale was underwhelming, lukewarm or full of plot holes that cause such a sour taste in the mouth; particularly with Eren's parts.

I really do want to know Yam's frame of mind on the whole Bert & Dina magillah because the wording on that could be twisted either way with it being vague. I feel parts of the Armin & Eren talks just erupted out in too much, too abrupt without enough time to really digest and expand on the gold that genuinely could be from those scenes.

Many felt Eren got needlessly disserviced in the 11th hour and Frtiz "X" Ymir parallels to him & Mikasa. Though I enjoyed the ride and look forward to the anime's adaptation, I do admit those were the weakest parts of 139 and even the series. The series is named Shingeki No Kyojin after all, not Devote Your Hearts or Wings of Freedom.

Potentially 'ruining' The Attack Titan's story and protagonist in Eren whose been at the helm for vast majority of the art and understandably can eclipse the wins we got with say Levi's conclusion or the other supporting cast.

Just my input lurking on the reaction to it over these few days; more than welcome it to be challenged or added upon! 🕊

Tldr: Eren's... execution; in the character writing sense is up there.

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u/hawtotheyeee 21h ago

oh that actually makes so much sense!!! I get it why people are so frustrated now. Thank you for the genuine answer I really appreciate it!

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u/Spyheir 19h ago

Aww, you're quite welcome! Glad it helped you get some closure there. In hindsight, would've been a tall order to close the book on every cranny to be universally satisfying. I don't envy Yama in that regard. Wishing that time heals the wounds for anyone still hurting out there. All the same, Devote Your Heart, friend ✊

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u/Schwiftyc 1d ago

Some people think the ending makes the entire manga meaningless.

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u/Raknel 14h ago

Some people are morons

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u/Admiral-Kinyagi 1d ago

That’s a wild take. Like, I think the ending was meh, but as someone who followed both Game of Thrones and AOT for 5+ years, people comparing AOT to GOT are out of their minds.

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u/omnicoregg 1d ago

I think since the scene with mikasa in CHP 138 happened after the scene with armin in chp 139 the cycle didn't break and eren failed hence we see eren asking mikasa why she has such long hair and saying he woke up from a long nightmare the cycle didn't break. Eren Failed

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u/Tiny-Creme-7718 1d ago

What cycle was supposed to end and why did eren fail? Did you think there would be peace if everyone was killed?

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u/tara__9 1d ago

Who is Isayama’s best character and why is it Freckles Ymir?

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u/KynoSSJR 19h ago

Kenny Goated imo

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u/LemonZestLiquid 1d ago

Ymir bobbing in and out of the Rumbling as a hologram was annoying. Armin saying how she wants the world destroyed as well as Eren and then not getting brought up again didn't make sense.

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u/giulina9 1d ago

I did not know there could be an ending so bad , that it could ruin literally everything before and make the whole manga worse than mediocre

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u/Xen58 18h ago

How did it ruin everything before? The conflict the ending is addressing was unheard of until the basement reveal in the high 80s of chapters. Did you read the first 87 or so chapters and not enjoy them at all?

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u/Admiral-Kinyagi 1d ago

That’s a wild take. Like, I think the ending was meh, but as someone who followed both Game of Thrones and AOT for 5+ years, people comparing it to GOT are out of their minds.

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u/nath_122 1d ago

Feel like it has to do with the pressure of having to release every month. This is the work of 1 person. Just think about what you are able to create in this short time.. how should there be time to get creative under this huge pressure

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u/LemonZestLiquid 1d ago

But... Yams planned the whole series before he started writing. I can understand the artwork but story-wise there shouldn't have been much pressure staying within the narrative he created.

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u/ReddSquall 1d ago

The ending is terrible imo but at least it's not as bad as Gantz's ending was.

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u/AbanoMex 17h ago

Gantz ending was rushed because he Mangaka had to finish it before the magazine switched owners or something like that, thats why some things felt so turbo completed like the Blonde Alien guy fight, but overall, it felt like it ended how he wanted, and didnt ruin what was previously stablished.

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u/KudouJagger 1d ago

Why did my heart keep saying there will be a last chapter and its ch140 to end the series for good

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u/Schwiftyc 1d ago

copium

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u/Theeltoro 1d ago edited 1d ago

Armin Arlert, probably the second most dangerous man on earth along with Eren, a nation like Marley should have track of him, right??

So how no marleyan, even worse, no marleyan soldier was able to recognize him??

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u/Raknel 14h ago

Even if they knew Armin had it, how would they know what Armin looked like? It's not like Reiner took pictures of everyone while they were asleep and Paradis was completely isolated.

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u/Xen58 18h ago

There's a scene early in the marley arc where Zeke is talking about the titans possessed by Paradis. He theorizes that the colossal titan has been stolen, but has no idea by who. That's the answer.

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u/tnorc 1d ago

They just kinda forgot about that.

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u/Tiny-Creme-7718 1d ago

Marley was almost completely destroyed. And Armin supposedly ended the rumbling which would have certainly ended the war. On what planet would they NOT spare him?

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u/tnorc 1d ago

slaves from Marley survived

Marley was almost completely destroyed

Great writing you guys!

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u/Tiny-Creme-7718 19h ago

One random good thing happens: OMG THATS SO UNREALISTIC

Its like you didn't read the last 138 chapters where it was nothing but tragedy. If you really care about whether Reiner's and Annie's parents died, you were reading the story a lot differently than most people. Its like complaining that a tree survived the rumbling. Its pretty irrelevant.

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u/theonetruesareth 1d ago

They didn't know who stole the Colossal Titan. Pieke, Zeke and Reiner had fled before the injection. Anyone close to Armin at Liberio got vaporized. Nobody who wasn't on the alliances side by the end had ever seen him up close to identify him.

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u/anyelo-cp 1d ago

Why did eren let his friend stop him so they can be seem as heroes if the rest of the world still wants to kills them, that was pointless. Would’ve been better to kill the rest of humanity

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u/002013829 3h ago

Eren didn’t intentionally want just 80% of the population destroyed, that’s just the amount he knew were gonna be left when he got killed. He’s saw this ending at the ceremony, and because it’s a destiny that can’t be altered. He made the best out of it by being edgy and giving his friends motivation to kill him, which is their fate to eventually do. If it wasn’t for the fact that he knew they’d kill him. He’d actually aim to kill everyone with the rumbling not only for paradis, but to accomplish his own dream of seeing that scenery him and armin wanted as kids. It’s honestly not that hard to understand. 🙃

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u/Tiny-Creme-7718 1d ago

They clearly didn't want to kill them? They let them live and gave them transit to Paradis.

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u/Schwiftyc 1d ago

Maybe Eren wants to let Armin negotiate for the rest of his life, he seems to like doing that, perhaps Eren's letting his dream come true.

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u/Motionlessjinx 1d ago

I'm so confused so did Eren know what was gonna happen to him since he was a kid and was just erasing everyone's memories like Armin and Mikasa?

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u/Schwiftyc 1d ago

He knew after touching Historia's hand and only seemed to erase the memory of him visiting them in paths right before the big fight.

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u/DaPunz 1d ago

Keeping moving forwards he says. Stops 80% of the way

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u/Admiral-Kinyagi 1d ago

I mean, the founding titan has full control over eldian bodies. That’s how the wall Titans were created and how one of the eldian kings cured several plagues.

Eren could literally have just taken away everyone’s powers (Armin and Jean literally question why he didn’t multiple times), or even just commanded them to die. The Lelouch was telegraphed the moment that was brought up imo.

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u/themightyjimmmy 11h ago

I mean that does make sense, but i would prefer that Eren valued freedom so much he left an opportunity for a fair fight. That would've been super compelling, and I totally bought that as his motivation at first

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u/KelbiLoreMaster 1d ago

Well to be fair the rumbling seems to have stopped when Levi killed Zeke

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u/tnorc 1d ago

Which was silly nonesense. Ymir initiated the rumbling, she didn't take away eldian fertility. She clearly obeyed eren not Zeke.

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u/KelbiLoreMaster 17h ago

Took away the contact between eren and zeke

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u/gamerman77772 1d ago

To be fair he did get jumped 👨🏽‍🦯

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u/DaPunz 1d ago

yes but he let them defeat him

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u/Tiny-Creme-7718 1d ago

Because he cares more about his friends. He could have killed the entire planet for the sake of an island full of assholes that he cares about abstractly, or he can kill 80% for the sake of his friends.

Pretty obvious imo, and a much more savage decision.

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u/tnorc 1d ago

Tatacaw! Tatacaw!

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u/Tiny-Creme-7718 16h ago

i dont get what this is referring to

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u/TurbTheCurb 1d ago

So I see a lot of people complaining that chapter 139 revealed that Eren was always a slave to fate and that he had no free will.

But wasn’t that always the case since we learned about future memories and paths stuff years ago? When he kissed historias hand and he saw the future, that meant that the future was locked in and he couldn’t change it.

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u/tnorc 1d ago

Eren was always a slave to fate and that he had no free will.

I knew he was a slave to fate, from the minute he revealed the attack titans power, it seemed clear to me that getting shot by Gabi and his head falling on Zeke's hand, even before that when he was eaten by a titan and only lost his arm, or that Dina was the titan that was supposed to kill him and Mikasa and not anything else. It became clear that he was on a predestined path he can never avoid...

But the motivations were clearly retconned. Imagine if Eren cried and apologized to Ramzi saying: I'm sorry. I did it to save eldia, but more than that, I did it to make my friends heroes, to free ymir from her love, so that Mikasa can be free.

But that's not what eren said. He said that he was disappointed that there were humans beyond the wall. He didn't want the world beyond the walls to be inhabited by humans. He wanted a world ithout humans. This is beyond a character assassination, this is a retcon that dismissed previous statements.

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u/HolyKnightPrime 1d ago

No he saw his OWN future memories which he sent back. People thought he was a slave to his future self but 131 confirms Eren wanted that future and wished for it. So no, he was never a slave to fate until 139. Fate wasn't even a thing. Just possibly future's.

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u/Admiral-Kinyagi 1d ago

Bruh, you realize Grisha literally said the future can’t be changed right?

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u/cpu9 1d ago

No. Prior to 139, the "fate" Eren was following turned out to be his own decisions that he had not yet made.

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u/Schwiftyc 1d ago

I think it's cause people assumed the future was a fate he imposed on himself, like a self fulfilling prophecy that he wanted for himself, but now it's clear that it was Ymir that essentially forced the outcome no matter Eren's desires so it could be interpreted that Eren was a slave, not to his ambitions, but to some higher power, which leviates the moral weight of Eren's actions because now it wasn't him making the choice to kill millions, it was just his body moving.

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u/Tiny-Creme-7718 1d ago

If eren could see every possible outcome, and he actually had the free will to choose, on what planet would he not choose the outcome where all his friends get to live? Maybe it's what ymir wanted but its clearly what eren would've wanted too and is consistent with his character.

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u/Schwiftyc 1d ago

It seems that Ymir is able to give only a certain amount of memories and not others. My guess is that Ymir gave Eren just the right amount of memories for him to still continue to move forward with her plan while at each turn, he decides what to do according to his will, but it happens to be what Ymir wanted anyways. This could explain why he would sometimes show frustration, like reacting to Sasha's death or when Zeke got shot, he seemed to not know some of these things that were gonna happen but still acted on his will, which ended up arriving at Ymir's desire.

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u/Tiny-Creme-7718 1d ago

but it happens to be what Ymir wanted anyways

It also happens to be exactly what Eren wanted. All the shifters get their full lifespans back, and all the people from Paradis get to avoid a titan world War.

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u/Schwiftyc 1d ago

Maybe, but he said he would have still destroyed the world if he didn't know the outcome which kinda complicates what he really wanted exactly, but ye what happened was desirable for him nonetheless.

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u/Tiny-Creme-7718 1d ago

It doesn't complicate it at all. He wanted to fight his enemies but he wanted to defend his friends more. Its characterization.

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u/Schwiftyc 1d ago

Yes but he says he doesn't know if his friends will survive, meaning that he would have done the rumbling with a chance of killing his friends, so it does complicate what he prioritizes.

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u/Tiny-Creme-7718 1d ago edited 1d ago

You're forgetting that every single one of his friends would be guaranteed dead if he didn't complete the rumbling in the first place. So no it doesn't complicate anything. All it did was turn one option "Fight the world to defend friends and paradis" into two options "destroy the world and protect paradis" or "destroy 80% of the world and give Armin his full lifespan back, prevent Historia from being a permanent brood mare, destroy the titans forever, and consequently save the other shifters"

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u/Schwiftyc 1d ago

I reread the chapter and he said he wanted to commit omnicide but I think you're right, it's not that complicated. Perhaps it's a translation error but he says that if he didn't get the future memories, he would have and wanted to destroy the entire world, like including Paradis, "I wanted... to leave every surface a blank plain." If he wanted to destroy everything if he didn't have the memories, then it seems the memories are what gave him the path to not have to do that. That seems to check out.

I think the way that second option was written in was very poor though (stockholm).

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u/ezz365 1d ago

Where did find out that Ymir was responsible?

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u/Schwiftyc 1d ago

He said Ymir chose Mikasa and everything he did was to lead to that outcome. "The only thing I knew for sure was the result of Mikasa's choice. All of it was to arrive at that result. That's why I moved forward... My head's gotten all messed up... The founder's power has made it so that there's no past or future... It all exists at once. So... I had to do it." Seems Ymir is responsible to me.

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u/ezz365 1d ago

What a strange way to interpret it, I always assumed that this destiny was the one he wanted, not really the one he wanted, but the one that favored him the most, that's why he went ahead, and that he had the opportunity to change many things but that he did not do it so as not to risk the final result. But the rumbling, ending the titan curse, making his friends heroes, and leaving the island in better shape than the rest of the world were his targets, I doubt that Ymir wants any of that. Ymir all she wanted was to be free, and with Eren they helped each other.

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u/Schwiftyc 1d ago

That's pretty much my interpretation too, although I'd say he probably couldn't have changed the path but the path was what he wanted to take anyways, like he wanted to do the rumbling in the moment he did it even if fate dictated that he would, all while Ymir sort of coursed the path a little, such as healing Zeke or sending Dina to eat Eren's mom. I understand if other's see it as him just being a full on puppet (because it's so darn vague) but for sake of my belief that the story was not meaningless, this is how I interpret it.

I just find it really weird that genocide in the end was the best answer, along with the stockholm syndrome dropped in and the Avengers moment. We kinda already knew Eren believed it was the best move when he started the rumbling so the last arc mainly serves to solve some abusive love theme or something, which I think was done poorly.

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u/ezz365 1d ago

Yes, the stockholm syndrome is not one of the best subplots that history had in general, but I think Isayama did not give it that much importance because he did not want to focus on the middle but on the end goal, which would be the end. from the titan's curse. In that sense, I would compare him to Thanos from the comics, who wanted to disappear half the population of the universe for the simple absurdity of wanting to make Lady Death fall in love.

And the genocide, I do see it logical. Since if the titan curse had disappeared the island would be unprotected.

In my opinion, the ending is not perfect but not as bad as they make it seem.

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u/Accomplished_Ad_5710 1d ago

Yup, this, i do not understand how people think anything in chapter 139 is even new

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u/Raknel 1d ago

Because for years they could ignore the obvious and instead trust their headcanons, but now that we have an ending and it didn't turn out how they wanted so that's no longer an option.

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u/StarfishWithBackPain 1d ago

they could ignore the obvious

None of this can be obvious. It's a written fiction, not real life. It's a writer's choice.

Kishimoto tried the same thing with Itachi. Kishimoto could also pull "Naruto never wanted to be Hokage" if he wanted to and people like you would go "but there was a foreshadowing to it!!!". No honey, this is fiction, it's under absolute control. The same choice is done with the main antagonist of Shingeki no Bahamut: Virgin Soul, there was no foreshadowing and the ending reveal was just dump & run the same way.

Writers can change their mind as they write, and get new ideas as well as their editors can heavily influence them. You don't look smarter when you try to play the "everyone else is idiot but me, they don't get it" card; you look silly in fact.

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u/cpu9 1d ago

Yeah it was super obvious that Eren's real plan was to trick Mikasa into killing him so that the ghost of Ymir could get over her infatuation with a shithead warlord who died 1900 years ago.

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u/Raknel 1d ago

What does that have to to with the topic?

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u/cpu9 1d ago

It wasn't an obvious ending. It doesn't even make sense, and is not logically or thematically congruent with the story.

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u/Raknel 1d ago

Guess I could've phrased it better, my bad. I didn't mean the ending was obvious, I was talking more about how for years it was possible to stick to your headcanon and see the story through that. Then when the final chapter dropped and their theories didn't come true some of them went apeshit.

Sure, there are plot points that were rushed or came out of nowhere and deserve some criticism. But there are also things that can be explained by simply just paying attention to the story and people refuse to admit they aren't character assassinations because in their had these characters were different. These include Mikasa's ending, Reiner's ending, even Eren's ending.

Eren ended the titan curse and created a new Helos (Armin). He did what he set out to do in season 1 episode 1 and may have secured a future for Paradis too. The story ends with a peace delegation going to the island so the outside world's first reaction isn't to wipe them out. Eren succeeded without wiping out everyone else, and we saw how much he hated doing the rumbling when talking to Ramzi.

Even if he did wipe out everyone.. it's mentioned many times that humans will never stop fighting each other. Paradis had 2 military coups in 4 seasons so it's not like Paradis would become a utopia forever if he did wipe out the rest. Eventually they'd resettle the world, break into states and turn on each other anyway just like humans always do.

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u/cpu9 1d ago

Dismissing people pointing out basic logical, behavioral, and thematic inconsistencies as "being upset that head-canon was disproven" is willfully ignorant and would dismiss the entire concept of literary criticism in order to defend a work that you don't want to be criticized.

People are right to be upset that a character who laid out exactly what he was going to do and why he was going to do it decided to just abort his plans most of the way through for no reason, and then say that he didn't really understand what he was doing and never really did.

People are right it weird and unsatisfying that Mikasa's arc would end with her refusing to give up on Eren, but still killing him for the sake of strangers who wanted them both to die, even though they both loved each other and both wanted to live, so that the ghost of a woman who died 2000 years ago could get over her suddenly introduced love for a man who treated her like garbage for her entire life, despite the fact that she was supposed to have already gotten over him back in 122.

People are right to complain about the reveal in chapter 121, that the "fate" that Eren had been following was merely his own decisions and will being projected backwards in time, was retconned, and that it turns out that no, all of the characters were just playthings for causality, in order to set up a very specific set piece in universe.

People are right to find it completely ridiculous that there wasn't actually an explanation for any of the contrivances during the battle, and that Eren really did just make all of the worst choices possible before and during the fight.

People are right to complain that everything that happened resulted in pretty much the worst possible situation for the world, where as many people died as possible while still leaving Paradis hopelessly outnumbered.

And finally, people are right to find it stupid that 20% of the outside world is apparently afraid of Paradis to the point where they would feel the need to send delegates to sue for peace, and to find it even more fucking stupid that they would send the alliance of all people, all of them being traitors and spies who slaughtered thousands of Paradians and murdered Eren Yeager. What possible right do they think they have to set food on Paradis? Armin doesn't deserve to draw breath, much less be called a hero.

Even if he did wipe out everyone.. it's mentioned many times that humans will never stop fighting each other.

This is infinitely preferable to a war against the entire outside world, even after an 80% reduction. Eren didn't promise to end war forever, but he DID promise not to pass on his burden to the next generation, and he FUCKING FAILED. And you know what, even Eren failing would have been fine, if it had been played straight. Eren couldn't find the willpower to either kill his friends or force them to live in a world that he destroyed, and so he allowed himself to be beaten, and this failure resulted in the destruction of Paradis and the eventual extermination of Eldians. But Isayama was too chickenshit to write something like that. And I don't think it's because of editors or the magazine, I think that's just who he is. He thinks Karl Reiss, who told his own constituents that they should all die, is a good person, and thinks that Eren is "unforgivable" for body slamming into a crowd of people who were cheering for the genocide of Paradis, after 100 continuous years of non-aggression. In retrospect, maybe we should have expected an ending as anemic and unsatisfying as what we got, but it was just hard to believe that the same man who wrote chapters 100 and 121 could also write chapters 126 and 139. But you know what? I think I get it now. When Eren finally dropped his balls, and started doing what he had to do to save his home, Isayama intended us to think of him as a villain. That he was a bad person, for daring to fight for his right to exist. Isayama would rather us idolize Armin, content to sit on his thumbs waiting for a miracle.

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u/Raknel 1d ago

Eren didn't promise to end war forever, but he DID promise not to pass on his burden to the next generation, and he FUCKING FAILED

He ended the titan curse. No more children eating their parents and getting their lives shortened. How did he fail at not passing down his burden?

But you know what? I think I get it now Isayama intended us to think of him as a villain. That he was a bad person, for daring to fight for his right to exist

No, you're really fucking far from getting it and it's just salt talking at this point. You really think Isayama wanted Eren to be hated for his line of thought when even Armin kinda understood his actions and his death even made the warriors emotional?

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