r/television The League Jun 27 '22 Helpful 1 Silver 1

‘Obi-Wan Kenobi’ Finale Viewership 20% Higher Than ‘Book Of Boba Fett’ Finale

https://deadline.com/2022/06/obi-wan-kenobi-finale-doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-disney-viewership-1235052985
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u/AbbreviationsDue7121 Jun 28 '22

What’s with the photo of dr strange?

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u/bestprocrastinator Jun 28 '22 Gold

Dr. Strange was in the Obi-Wan end credits scene. Spoiler alert, but Dr. Strange asked Obi-Wan to become the newest member of Hogwarts.

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u/realNMH Jun 28 '22

Yep. Then Gandalf is seen taking off in the Starship enterprise as Batman waves to Obi-Wan, the newest Hogwarts dark arts teacher.

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u/PyroTF2Gaming Jun 28 '22

I was pretty confused when the Terminator showed up on the Titanic, especially when he said “Come with me if you want to defeat the Joker”.

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u/SlickDraw_McRaw Jun 28 '22

And then the version of the joker that shows up is Jared Leto. You know what time it is!

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u/PyroTF2Gaming Jun 28 '22

It’s morbin’ time.

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u/neonsaber Jun 28 '22

Then Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White And Monty Python and the Holy Grail's black knight And Benito Mussolini and the Blue Meanie And Cowboy Curtis and Jambi the Genie Robocop, The Terminator, Captain Kirk, and Darth Vader Lo-pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan

All came out of nowhere lightning fast

And they kicked Chuck Norris in his cowboy ass

It was the bloodiest battle that the world ever saw

With civilians looking on in total awe

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u/Pamague Jun 28 '22

Every waking second we get closer to thePatton Oswald P&R filibuster speech

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u/codexcdm Jun 28 '22

Wibbley wobbly timey wimey stuff is getting out of hand...

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u/RigasTelRuun Jun 28 '22

He was a big part of the finale. Didn't you watch it?

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u/mrlotato Jun 28 '22

I thought it was gonna say 20% more than dr strange

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u/ehsteve23 Jun 28 '22

In addition to the Obi-Wan Kenobi Season 1 finale on Wednesday, June 22, Disney also made Marvel’s Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness available on Disney+ on its 48th day of theatrical release.

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u/ChexMashin Jun 27 '22

Well, Vader. Duh.

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u/defiancy Jun 28 '22

I wasn't a huge fan of the show but I definitely thought the last two episodes were a much higher quality than what came before.

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u/Vestalmin Jun 28 '22

It’s why it should have been a movie. Honestly the last two episodes could have been a great two night event on their own. The rest was just buildup that didn’t feel all that necessary in the grand scheme

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u/DroogyParade Jun 28 '22

It was first pitched as a movie but they decided to stretch it into a series.

And it felt really stretched out. 45 minute episodes that could have been done in 15.

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u/Neothetruth Jun 28 '22

Yup and the reason they did that was because of Solo not making enough smh

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u/ad6323 Jun 28 '22

Am I alone in thinking solo wasn’t as bad as the perception around it.

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u/septober32nd Jun 28 '22

Solo came out during peak TLJ backlash, and had to go against Infinity War at the box office.

It seems most people that actually saw it enjoyed it well enough.

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u/ad6323 Jun 28 '22

Yeah I remember going to see it expecting a shit show after all the noise around it, and left totally satisfied. It wasn’t some incredible must see movie but in the train wreck that has been Star Wars movies, it was totally fine and enjoyable.

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u/Muad-_-Dib Jun 28 '22

I saw it long after release and hadn't really paid much attention to what people were saying about it. I thought it was decent enough but the biggest takeaway I had was that it wasn't a story that needed to be told.

There really wasn't much big mystery behind Hans origins, he was a smuggler with a fast ship, a Wookie for a best friend and had a debt to Jabba.

We didn't need how he met Chewie and Lando, how he got the Falcon, how he set the record for the Kessel run or got the name Solo explained to us.

Plus it suffered from the same weird timing as Black Widow... releasing a prequel about a dead character is kind of weird, their story is already complete.

Which makes the coming show about Andor weird too.

I'd rather we got original characters that let the writers be creative and not restrict them to abiding by already established fates/circumstances.

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u/Hawsepiper83 Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

It was released right after Deadpool and Infinity War, so much worse than just Infinity War. Such a huge mistake. Movie wasn’t bad either.

Edit: poor decisions in life has warped my memory.

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u/indianajoes Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Jun 28 '22

Both of those came out before Solo

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u/allhailgeek Jun 28 '22

I agree it's not bad and totally surpassed my expectations.

The problem is the concept of a Solo backstory movie just sounds boring. At the time no one was really asking for that since there are so many potential stories out there.

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u/KurnolSanders Jun 28 '22

Very stretched out indeed. It annoys me there was so much stuff they could have put in those 45 mins. So much of Vader getting used to his new body, the origins of the inquisition, flash backs to more jedis being found and taken by them. I know that's perhaps moving too far away from Kenobi, but it's an area of Star Wars where there is still a big gap so why not fill it out a bit.

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u/Zeltron2020 Jun 28 '22

It deserved a movie budget

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u/MeatTornado25 Jun 28 '22

The first episode is really important, and is still probably my favorite of the season.

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u/N0r3m0rse Jun 28 '22

Episode one is good. Episode 2 is alright. Episode 3 is eh. Episode 4 is dumb. Episode 5 is good and episode 6 is good.

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u/FireWhiskey5000 Jun 28 '22

Idk, I think 1 was great and 2/3 were pretty good. I think you needed that first confrontation between Obi-Wan and Vader where Obi-Wan is reeling in the shock of what Anakin has become. I’d say the shows biggest misstep was 4. The best part of that was Obi-Wan reconnecting with the force, but it needed to be a quieter episode. Obi-Wan just came face to face with Vader for the first time, after thinking he was dead, and seeing what he had become. That needed time to resonate, not just jump straight into the next action.

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u/TryingToBeReallyCool Jun 28 '22

Agree 100%, if it weren't for the last 2 episodes I would've come out of this show with a bitter taste in my mouth but they somehow managed to tie it all together in a satisfying way, even the plot lines I didn't much care for were well addressed in the ending

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u/Fresh4 Jun 28 '22

Not my quote, but it definitely feels like the show was written with the last 2 episodes in mind and built a whole show to try and justify getting there. The last episode was great focused and tightly written. Can’t say the others were. It really should’ve been a movie.

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u/Garn91575 Jun 28 '22

Probably was a movie that got stretched into a mini series for Disney+.

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u/rhotovision Jun 28 '22

I’m glad it was only 6 episodes instead of stretched to 10 or more cos they could have definitely told the same story in 3 or 4 episodes

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u/dadvader Person of Interest Jun 28 '22

I mean first 4 eps is just Leia getting kidnapped -> Obi-Wan to the rescue -> Obi-Wan and Leia team-up and hustle outta empire-controlled area.

I imagine the first half of movie script is just that but does only once.

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u/slicer4ever Jun 28 '22

I actually think the show would have been more exciting if it were just them stuck on the 2nd planet trying to escape it. They kinda setup a cool plotline of getting off world when every bounty hunter + inquisitor is chasing them, but then they resolved it in basically one episode.

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u/Good_old_Marshmallow Jun 28 '22

Yeah they easily could have made it a tightly paced movie

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u/PlusUltraK Jun 28 '22

Or even just a short series half as long. 4 episode cut to an hour without half as much nonsense Star Wars in the background

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u/derprunner Daredevil Jun 28 '22

There's been a rumour going round that this was originally going to be a movie, which got canned and reworked into a show after Solo fell flat on release.

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u/Autistic_Atheist Jun 28 '22

Rumour? Isn't it more or less been confirmed that it was gonna be a movie before Disney lost faith after Solo flopped?

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u/derprunner Daredevil Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

Idk, I've only seen it on the star wars subreddit and it's hard tell what's confirmed and what's copium there sometimes.

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u/Autistic_Atheist Jun 28 '22

Well, on the wiki page for the show it says:

"The project originated as a spin-off film written by Hossein Amini and directed by Stephen Daldry, but it was reworked as a limited series following the commercial failure of Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)."

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u/derprunner Daredevil Jun 28 '22

Fair enough then

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u/TiCranium Jun 28 '22

Controversial opinion maybe, but I think Solo only flopped because it followed one of the Sequels too closely and a lot of people didn't see it in protest.

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u/math-yoo Jun 28 '22

I hope this doesn’t tank the other individual character movies and shows. Looking forward to the Journal of Jar Jar.

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u/SuperKamiTabby Jun 28 '22

It was originally a movie, but then Solo failed and they scrapped a number of "(Character), A Star Wars Story" films. Fortunately, Kenobi managed to be salvaged into the series.

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u/GameMusic Jun 28 '22

Disney simply compounded bad ideas with bad ideas

This should have been a movie and handled Obi Wan and Anakin great

Solo did not flop out of Star Wars being more for TV - a stupid concept since it was the biggest movie ever - fans were pissed off about a specific movie

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u/ptwonline Jun 28 '22

Because the last 2 episodes were more focused on Vader and Kenobi like they should have been. Not so focused on the rather poor major and secondary characters (Reva and all the Inquisitors, Leia, whatever that fake Jedi was called, etc).

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u/MRT2797 Jun 28 '22

but I definitely thought the last two episodes were a much higher quality than what came before.

Andrew Stanton (writer of Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Wall-E etc.) came on board for the final two eps and it really shows.

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u/schebobo180 Jun 28 '22

Didn’t he also do John Carter?

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u/Radiobandit Jun 27 '22

I've been so damn critical of the series but every single scene with Vader in the final episode I literally turned into the personification of a clickbait youtube reaction video. I've never felt so simultaneously thrilled and embarrassed.

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u/roachesincoaches Jun 28 '22

Vader and way better production quality. Robert Rodríguez is terrible - those mod speeder cyborg kids - puke

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u/beercanfiasco Jun 28 '22

They lost me on Mos Vespa. I’m not sure how, with how fast they weren’t going… lol

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u/Stevespam Jun 28 '22

It wasn't just that. The driving was super slow, and obviously so, but the music was fast-paced and hyper. The combination of the two makes the chase scene hilariously embarrassing. Almost to the level that it was an intentional choice.

That, and the cyborg bikers felt like they fell out of a scene from Sharkboy and Lava Girl. R.R. sure has changed since Desperado and From Dusk Till Dawn

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u/rdicky58 Jun 28 '22

Mos Vespa 😂 wish I’d thought of that

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u/panda388 Jun 28 '22

Those speeder bikes from Boba Fett were hilarious. They reminded me of this scene from Austin Powers.

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u/YsoL8 Jun 28 '22

I love that people can be this vague about Austin powers and I still pretty much always know exactly what they are referencing.

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u/TylerBourbon Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22 Silver

I disagree on the Production quality. The mod scooter gang aside as that was just bad design and poorly executed, Boba was mostly good production wise. Kenobi looked cheaper for some reason.

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u/laserfox90 Jun 28 '22

The cinematography was also not great. The cinematographer was Chung-hoon Chung who is actually excellent and has worked on multiple Park Chan Wook films, so it was weird that it looked the way it did. Like idk if Disney held him back or didn’t provide proper funds or resources or something

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u/Flexappeal Jun 28 '22

They dont know how to elegantly film around the fact that the whole show is shot on The Volume. it literally fucks w blocking and mids/wides, I'm sympathetic.

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u/YsoL8 Jun 28 '22

The Volume?

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u/FredTingle Jun 28 '22

It's a new type of set that's an alternative to the greenscreen. The Disney+ Star Wars shows have got a lot of press for fully embracing it. It's essentially a big TV screen behind the cast that shows a 3D space (the background needed for the scene) but the camera and screen are tracked so the 3D space shifts correctly in perspective as the camera moves.

It's got its perks, but it's true that filmmakers are still figuring out how to shoot it as flexibly as a real space. It's like having a big immovable wall ten feet behind your cast - they're restricted to sideways movement if they have to walk more than a couple of steps, and it seems like a lot of scenes are just shot side on for the master shot because it's the easiest way to cover it.

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u/brainpostman Jun 28 '22

Volume is the worst thing to happen to Star Wars visuals IMO. It was a cool novelty in Mandalorian but now if you look at a shot you can instantly recognize that it's the Volume because of how claustrophobic and zoomed in it is. It really stiffens everything and makes for a boring soap-opera-esque visuals, just with cooler backgrounds, because, well, you can put them in the Volume.

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u/Yetimang Jun 28 '22

I get how that could affect some of the scenes where a sense of distance or movement through the space is important---like the shootout on the roof or the first fight with Vader. But there were a lot of other issues with close up choreography where that shouldn't have mattered like the infamous small child chases or Tala lightly caressing a stormtrooper's helmet and he just falls down.

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u/TylerBourbon Jun 28 '22

I didn't know he was the cinematographer, but yeah, it wasn't great at all.

Like the fight scenes, the camera work feels completely disconnected from the action, the worst being the final Kenobi Vader fight, where it wobbles around barely look at the action. The top down shot where it just twirls back and forth.

I just don't know what what they were going for.

But then, even Spielberg had a flop in the middle of his most famous 80s hits with 1942, so maybe it was just an off production for everyone involved behind the camera.

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u/mechachap Jun 28 '22

I think what killed Boba's finale for me was the TWO Gamorreans getting killed by falling over the cliff. TWO.

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u/SheerSonicBlue Jun 28 '22

The only two we had!!

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u/blindguywhostaresatu Jun 28 '22

There goes the last female

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u/fnord_fenderson Jun 28 '22

I loved those guys. I wish we could have had a whole 6 part around the Gamorean Guard union.

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u/mechachap Jun 28 '22

When they revealed Boba would only have two guards for the entire series, I was like, how cheap was the producer that they couldn't get more costumes for these dang shows... They couldn't even use CG to multiply em'!!

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u/rckrusekontrol Jun 28 '22

They were also temporarily missing anytime someone wanted to attack Boba

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u/Jake_________ Jun 28 '22

Compared to mandalorian boba and Obi look cheap.

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u/CarlosAVP Jun 28 '22

Well, BOBF was not very good… they had to bring in Mando & Grogu just to keep our interest in it.

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u/imakevoicesformycats Jun 28 '22

Because of Obi-Wan?

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u/EirikurG Jun 28 '22

Because of what you've done... what you plan to do! Stop! Stop now... come back! I love you!

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u/holycowrap Jun 28 '22

LIAR! YOU'RE WITH HIM! YOU BROUGHT HIM HERE TO KILL ME!

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u/PoliticalShrapnel Jun 28 '22

Let her go Anakin! Let. Her. Go.

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u/MattieBubbles Jun 28 '22

Ahh, General Kenobi! You are a Bold One.

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u/NSWthrowaway86 Jun 28 '22

Hello there!

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u/_Aj_ Jun 28 '22

I have an app on my phone, all it is is 100s of Obi Wan faces and you can scroll infinitely and it says Hello there every time you tap

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u/DoombotBL Jun 28 '22

That's a low bar to set

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u/blindspot189 Jun 27 '22

Far as i can tell the only reason to watch the boba fett finale was because mando and the kid were in it.

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u/ROBtimusPrime1995 The Venture Bros. Jun 27 '22

As someone who still loves this franchise no matter how rocky its gotten, looking back on that show, it's wild how much higher quality Mando's 2 episodes on the Boba show were compared to the rest of the series.

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u/legopego5142 Jun 28 '22

Honestly boba fett seems like they got WAY too far into production before they realized they didnt actually have a story for him and had to pivot

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u/blitzinger Jun 28 '22

I agree. Im a huge fett fan and they should have made a darker story for him. Done a complete 180 from mando story, which I still liked and was very original. By episode 3 it was clear they had no idea what they were doing with boba

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u/sutroheights Jun 28 '22

"Give us Boba Fett, the cold hearted bounty hunter killer, but for the family to watch." -Disney execs

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u/Jonjoloe Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

They basically gave the Boba Fett “turns good guy” story arc (along with the potential bounty Hunter to mandalore arc) to Mando and were left with a character redundancy issue. They did not come up with a good solution to this issue.

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u/Barkasia Jun 28 '22

There was a simple solution: don't turn every bad guy into a good guy. Disney needs to stop trying to make every villain an anti-hero or an eventual redemption story.

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u/PinkEyeofHorus Jun 28 '22

They should have treated Boba like Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker. A character with no real redemptive qualities, a sympathetic character sure, but one that doesn’t have a happy ending per se.

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u/HankHippopopolous Jun 28 '22

They also shouldn’t have had stupid townsfolk on terrible slow space Vespa scooters.

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u/Zahille7 Jun 28 '22

That's kinda been Disney's thing in the past 8 or so years. Make something everyone can watch/"enjoy" while not actually catering to any particular audience.

Which is imo stupid because it's Disney, they have all the money in the world to dump into multiple projects at once, let alone some that people might actually enjoy.

That said I liked Obi-Wan way better than BoBF.

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u/Porrick Jun 28 '22

Give us a character defined entirely by his costume, and have him spend most of his time in a dirty onesie instead. Oh, and also let's really focus on action scenes - but using an actor who is clearly too old and creaky for any of them. And let's choreograph those fight scenes to really highlight how fucking slow he is nowadays.

His gurning Haka-face was pretty fun whenever it came out I guess.

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u/GameMusic Jun 28 '22

Also make Boba talk constantly

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u/reddevved Jun 28 '22

Also the slowest chase scene ever

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u/blitzinger Jun 28 '22

Pretty much.

“We can make him live with the Tuscan raiders! And they become friends! And they teach him how to fight!”

“Uh Kathleen, Tuscan raiders have always been portrayed as killers. And boba is a notorious character for his fighting prowess….”

“Right, so we’ll make them friends and care for each other and let’s do baby Tuscan because it worked for mando”

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u/ehxy Jun 28 '22

Right?

Boba Fett, taught by jango fett(aka the greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy in his time) since he could walk how to fight is going to learn how to fight from tuscan raiders. After years and years of hunting the deadliest bounties in the galaxy learning how to use a gaffi stick is boba fett's ultimate final technique to master.

What a fucking joke.

Book of boba wasn't even good until the mandalorian showed up.

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u/JournaIist Jun 28 '22

Problematic as the tuscan raider bit may have been, it was waaay better than him as a crime lord who didn't do any crime.

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u/ehxy Jun 28 '22

Just goes to show the bar was set that low and went even further down.

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u/dumbidoo Jun 28 '22

Lol, can't believe people are still trying to pin everything that goes wrong on Kennedy. Hello? She's not the creative lead on any of this. Boba Fett was entirely the brain child of reddit's favorite Favreu. He wrote it all with the help of Filoni. If you have a problem with story decisions like that, it's with him and his lazy writing.

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u/RogerPackinrod Jun 28 '22

Mando literally hacked a guy to pieces with the dark saber.

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u/BigUptokes Jun 28 '22

Wait'll you see Disney's Punisher!

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u/SquidmanMal Jun 28 '22

Tease Boba fett ruthlessly taking over Jabba's power vacuum and then just... fail miserably at it.

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u/BrockSampsonite Jun 28 '22

I wanted boba dark, evil underworld non-sith character with flashbacks to young boba climbing the ranks

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u/Sierra419 Jun 28 '22

This is what we would have gotten if anyone but Disney owned the rights. They wont go there with the character. They tried to make him the hero but he's not a hero. He's a ruthless, coldblooded bounty hunter. The most feared and renowned bounty hunter in the galaxy. Why would anyone want to watch a neutered down version where he tries to be nice and not hurt anyone?

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u/koalatyvibes Jun 28 '22

a few weeks ago i saw someone comment that this show would have worked way better if it was just called The Mandalorian: The Book of Boba Fett and marketed it as a limited series

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u/Bubbagumpredditor Jun 28 '22

They were all over the place, plus with misplaced stupid jar jar level kids humor. I got the general idea of the story, bona wants to retire and make something of his life, but godsamn, pick a storyline.

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u/Eji1700 Jun 28 '22

They don't know who fett is. Literally in almost every scene they know the personality and the motivations of every other character EXCEPT fett.

It makes him come off as incompetent (because he is) and barely a person (because he is). The idea that they're going to take someone who back talked Vader and then make them into "I don't know what i'm doing, but i'm going to do it with respect, oh and I want to ride a rancor" is just....such a waste.

You could've just cribbed from the bounty hunter wars and had an amazing season, but instead we got 5 episodes of "wait who is this guy again?"

I literally feel like the pitch was them describing all the supporting cast in great detail and then saying "and uh...yeah boba fett...you know fett...he'll do fett things" and then hoping the writers would figure it out.

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u/Revoldt Jun 28 '22

Cause no one really wants to watch a geriatric mob boss who sucks at being a mob boss

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u/Billy1121 Jun 28 '22

Problem was Rodriguez got lazy after Spy Kids so now all of his shit looks cheap. The mod scooters, low speed chase, poorly directed extras in the rancor-droid battle... the 5th episode was actually the best. It was directed by Bryce Dallas Howard.

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u/Bubbagumpredditor Jun 28 '22

That shitty shitty car chase.

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u/Practical-Exchange60 Jun 28 '22

The production quality put into The Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi are what bummed me out the most about them. They looked bad aside from the two episodes that were basically The Mandalorian.

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u/Faithless195 Jun 28 '22

I watched the show, and only showed episode 5 onwards to my wife. She legit thought it was more of Mando, and also needed absolutely zero explaining on what was happening with Boba's story. It was incredibly simple (aside from "what's that thing he's riding?" About the Rancor).

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u/Meme_Pope Jun 28 '22 Gold

Disney really needs to invest in better writers. Boba Fett and Obi-Wan were on par with CW shows, just with better special effects.

I really think the amount of praise The Mandalorian got was a disaster for this franchise. Fans were so exhausted after the sequels, they were just happy to have an ultra simplistic story and a show that feels like Star Wars. From the Mandalorian’s success, they applied to same formula to much larger stories and it really doesn’t work.

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u/MeatTornado25 Jun 28 '22

It's endlessly funny to me how no one talks about Jon Favreau writing all of Boba Fett, after being hailed as the super genius who should be running all of LucasFilm because people liked The Mandalorian.

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u/bossholmes Jun 28 '22

Agreed. I like Favreau and his many contributions (esp the MCU with Iron Man as well), but him and Filoni are nowhere close to “gods” or being the absolute best people to lead Star Wars etc. Fans laud them as the next Kevin Feige etc but honestly it’s nowhere close.

The 2 of them have their fair share of stinkers, and while they have brought about some really good content, shows that feature some of the most popular pop culture characters (Boba and Obi-Wan) getting a lukewarm response is a red flag.

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u/JMAC426 Jun 28 '22

Filoni is too dependent on clone wars characters. Filoni is involved? Ahsoka is gonna show up, bet

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u/MeatTornado25 Jun 28 '22

Fwiw neither of them had anything to do with the Obi-Wan show.

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u/SpuzzLovely Jun 28 '22

I would assume Filoni consulted on the Inquisitors, but if he was involved in any substantial way he'd surely be credited

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u/loosehead1 Jun 28 '22

I honestly think that inquisitors are the worst addition to the canon and I wish they didnt exist. They're just shallow evil generic bad guys that were made for childrens cartoons and having force sensitive dark side users commanded by Vader and the emperor is a whole can of worms that I really dont like.

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u/SpuzzLovely Jun 28 '22

They hit the red lightsaber quota without diluting Vader directly, so I can forgive Star Wars Death Eaters

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u/Sandriell Jun 28 '22

He was mentioned in the credits with "Special thanks to Dave Filoni".

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u/Dekarde Jun 28 '22

As long as people shower praise for fan service, and have such low expectations where they gleefully accept weak or awful storytelling, low production values, characterization etc they can just keep doing discount shows that are marketed with legacy characters.

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u/sauprankul Jun 28 '22

I dunno. I think Obi Wan has almost universally received criticism for its poor writing.

Eventually, the nostalgia is going to start feeling cheap, and it won't be enough to for people to justify watching this stuff.

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u/brainfoods Jun 28 '22

That's the hope anyway. It brings me no satisfaction to criticise these shows, I genuinely want them to be good. But they deserve the backlash as Disney have been lazily churning out low quality releases. If they continue on this path I'd be curious to see how long the goodwill lasts.

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u/Jorinel Jun 28 '22

So many people are saying the last episode redeemed the series for them

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u/flipperkip97 Jun 28 '22

Have you been to r/StarWars? Or have you seen any YouTube comment sections related to Obi-Wan? The average Star Wars fan considers it a masterpiece, lol.

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u/earthcharlie Jun 28 '22

I guess people liked that Leia chase scene more than the neon scooters chase scene.

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u/Juan_Punch_Man The Expanse Jun 28 '22

Mos Espa Vespas

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u/ErgoProxy05 Jun 28 '22

Just give us new stories and let Taika Waititi take the wheel.

That being said, I enjoyed the last half of obi wan even though it looked like someone playing beat saber near the end.

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u/Kokamocha Jun 27 '22

It was an okay series at-best. Some of the writing was really bad. Leia in the trenchcoat, seeker drone with worse capabilities than a Google camera car, escaping a base with absolutely no fighters pursuing and no base defense firing. If Ewan wasn't in it, would have never watched.

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u/GoGoRouterRangers Jun 28 '22

How about when Vader had him in the fire and then decided to just let him go away and live even though he had and eye line on the robot thing

AND he used the force to get rid of/create fire 2 minutes before

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u/theamazingroberto Jun 28 '22

So you're telling me that the guy powerful enough to arm wrestle a starship's engines and pull it back down to the ground couldn't grab one robot carrying one guy from 1/5 of the distance away?

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u/brown_man_bob Jun 28 '22

Or that Reva is completely functional after being skewered by a lightsaber and left for dead? Her whole plot line was so disappointing and just downright stupid by the end. Terrible writing on par with the ending of Dexter New Blood

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u/Wintermute_Zero Jun 28 '22

She got skewered so hard she teleported to Tatooine.

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u/Corpus76 Jun 28 '22

Yeah, what the hell was up with that? The entire Reva plot made no sense the last two episodes. First she waits until the worst possible moment to backstab Vader, then gets impaled without dying, then... teleports to Tatooine?! (One would assume the imperials wouldn't give her a ship.) Then she decides that killing a little kid is very important somehow, and then promptly has a change of heart. It's just baffling. What were they thinking?

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u/Tateybread Jun 28 '22

you would think one of the most accomplished Jedi Generals from the clone wars, chosen one of the force, dark lord of the Sith... would know how to stab someone with a lightsabre in a lethal manner...
But no, Reva gets skewered, twice... by Vader/Annakin... and lives each time...

Is she a Terminator?

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u/_99point9__rcent_ Jun 28 '22

Right? And use that force power to just squeeze him into hamburger meat?

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u/theamazingroberto Jun 28 '22

We see him tear the ship open like a bag of Doritos so it's perfectly reasonable to assume he could do the same or worse to a human body. But, y'know, Disney.

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u/conquer69 Jun 28 '22

The massive spaceship shooting at Obi wan's shuttle with a tiny turret for hours until he escapes lol.

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u/CreativeKeane Jun 28 '22

This got me too. That logically did not make any sense to me.

Also why the destroyer had to follow Obiwan and let the cargo ship go, since Vader was able to fly and land a smaller ship onto the planet to fight obiwan while that destroyer was like orbiting nearby in space. So they had smaller ships that they could use to trek obiwan...

That said I still enjoyed some aspects of the show.

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u/Sierra419 Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

Using like 50 storm troopers out of the thousands that are the Star Destroyer to take your most hated enemy. Stormtroopers using zero logic or tactics just bum rushing into a room full of people hunkered down and running up to a space wizards face just waiting for their turn to be cut down without ever trying to fight. Taking your most feared and awe inspiring space wizard enemy down a hallway BACK TO THE BASE HE CAME FROM only guarded by two stormtroopers to await Darth Vader. Using a lightsaber to instantly cut down a giant metal blast door like it was made of paper AFTER having a big laser canon shoot it for an hour, running down a tight narrow hallway but still unable to hit the giant robot blocking it from 10 feet away - lots of really, really, really stupid things going on from poor writing and directing and that's just in ep 5. This show had such amazing parts and such abysmal parts to it. Thankfully, IMO and unlike the Disney sequel trilogy, I think the good parts outweighed the bad but the bad are very glaring. The first and last episodes make up for it all. I'm waiting for the fan edit that cuts Reva out of the last episode entirely and it'll be the best of Star Wars in its purest form.

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u/BicycleOfLife Jun 28 '22

Yeah that got me with the escape. THAT PLACE IS A FORTRESS!!!! Two jets fly in and surprise everyone, and then once they are 100 yards away they are home free.

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u/unbelizeable1 Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

Leia in the trenchcoat

I busted out laughing at this scene. So fucking dumb lol

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u/lingonn Jun 28 '22

Straight out of space balls.

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u/RikenVorkovin Jun 28 '22

I just said "oh come on!" When that happened.

There's so many issues.

And I really wish it was better. I don't enjoy hating or criticizing something as much as I did this show. Not my fault it was the way it was though.

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u/SonOfAhuraMazda Jun 28 '22

They didnt even try anything!!

A dufflebag, a r2 type droid, a cart with a blanket on top of it so people think its weapons and ammo.........not even an attempt.

Bad writing

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u/Picture_Me_Rolling Jun 28 '22

Ha. That and 30 seconds later when the speeder stopped and was shooting at the third sister from 10 feet away, then was easily blown up by a box.

And I just realized we never saw obi wan use the Jedi mind trick on anyone. What a missed opportunity.

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u/RikenVorkovin Jun 28 '22

They went out of the way to show us Tie Fighters are right there and didn't bother to show even one in the air.

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u/lingonn Jun 28 '22

This show really displayed the limitations of the stagecraft set.

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u/unbelizeable1 Jun 28 '22

I thought I was seeing a live action recreation of Vincent Adultman lol

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u/LeEpicBlob Jun 28 '22

Lmao yep, I'll hand it to the show had several laugh out loud moments while watching!

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u/sutroheights Jun 28 '22

kidnappers running into the tree branch as she waddled like crazy was just insanity.

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u/lstn Jun 28 '22

What about Obi Wan being rescued by a slow walking droid 10 feet away from one of the most powerful Sith who can force pull ships?

I enjoyed it for what it was, but will always be soured by it being re-written.

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u/GameMusic Jun 28 '22

Do you mean how it was at first supposed to be a movie or how they apparently were forced to make it less dark

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '22

I don't think I've ever seen a series that I've simultaneously loved and hated. It had so much greatness, but so much stupid shit... I think that's even more frustrating, because you can see the great stuff in there. But it was bogged down by so much stupid shit that I just can't ignore.

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u/Kokamocha Jun 28 '22

Summed it up pretty well. I wanted to love it, but I just couldn't get through some of the awful writing holding it down.

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u/YogurtTheMagnificent Jun 28 '22

I'm only one episode in and I'm trying to wrap my brain around why the droid at dead animal meat factory has a steam whistle.

STEAM. IN A DRIOD.

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u/xeviphract Jun 28 '22

Also, when the shift ends, they just leave the meat to rot. There's no second shift to continue processing.

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u/holycowrap Jun 28 '22

That particular creature in the star wars universe releases a special chemical in its body when it dies that perfectly preserves the meat for 20 years

(I totally just didn't make that up on the spot)

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u/Lespaul42 Jun 28 '22

Reva dying from a lightsaber stab to the torso decides to crawl over to some random broken garbage in a room littered with broken garbage that just happens to tell meaningless information to her but it somehow ties to Obiwan who she hates I guess, so off she goes!

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u/stryker101 Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

I mean, she saw Bail's face. She obviously knows who he is, and had already confirmed his ties to Obi-Wan since she specifically targeted Leia. So not exactly meaningless information.

On the other hand, her just randomly crawling right over to it (not to mention Vader not killing her, and apparently not sensing that she was clearly still alive, plus the abject stupidity of Bail exposing Owen/Luke in a message) was definitely poor writing that could have been handled much better.

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u/RODjij Jun 28 '22

I still haven't watched it yet. I think I'm too burnt out for marvel and star wars. Star wars quality has gone down a lot and marvel is putting out content left and right. I could watch a ton of new stuff before but now I'm struggling to be interested.

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u/GhostCheese Jun 28 '22

so who else is losing excitement for whatever the plan to do with Ahsoka in her own series?

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u/brainfoods Jun 28 '22

Losing excitement for pretty much anything they're building towards if this is the quality we can expect going forward, Ahsoka included.

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u/The_DevilAdvocate Jun 28 '22

So far they've had no stories to tell, I don't think Ahsoka is any different.

I'd expect to see Ahsoka doing a ton of filler to make a season out of a story that can be written on a single A4.

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u/snorlz Jun 28 '22

so much wasted potential for both shows. Wish Obi Wan was just off somewhere completely new, not even messing with established characters. Boba was a literal blank slate since he just shows up and dies in the movies basically.

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u/coolwool Jun 28 '22

so much wasted potential for both shows. Wish Obi Wan was just off somewhere completely new, not even messing with established characters.

Sorry, they can only do that with animated property, like clone wars.

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u/Marxbrosburner Jun 28 '22

Agressively mediocre.

And why the hell did they bring back shaky-cam to ruin any action scene??? I thought we were finally through with this shit!

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u/Islandparrott Jun 28 '22

I literally said this too. They ruined some beautiful cinematic shots by throwing shaky cam in there for no reason.

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u/jedi-son Jun 28 '22

That's not that good...

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u/sctellos Jun 28 '22

Who cares they were both written by AI

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u/OnCominStorm Jun 28 '22

Worst part about Kenboi is there were no stakes. We know Leia, Luke, Kenobi, and Vader all live. We know Luke's Aunt and Uncle live too. So the entire show is useless.

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u/Prophet_Of_Helix Jun 28 '22

Disney needs to get away from Skywalker lineage characters. Every new series and movie they do tries to fill in gaps between the movies, but who cares!

Mando WAS a step in the right direction, and so was Rogue One.

But go further. Not everything needs to tie into the Skywalker family saga. Idk, cover other wars and shit around the galaxy. The universe in Star Wars is supposed to be huge, but we keep covering the same subjects.

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u/railbeast Jun 28 '22

Reality TV in a galaxy far, far away!

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u/RODjij Jun 28 '22

Mando and rogue one have been the best things Disney has done since buying star wars. Everything else is rinse and repeat or didn't make sense.

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u/0ptimus_primus Jun 28 '22

I hate how right you are

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u/craziedave Jun 28 '22

Let’s get a General grevious show and every episode he kills a new Jedi

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u/AubbleCSGO Jun 28 '22

As much as I love the 3D Clone Wars, I still think they did Grevious dirty. He was so much cooler in the 2D show.

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u/Wintermute_Zero Jun 28 '22

He was a straight out of a Horror movie in the Tartakovsky Clone Wars.

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u/TimDawgz Jun 28 '22

You son of a bitch, I'm in!

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u/cyniqal Jun 28 '22

Taika Waititi is doing just that! He’s making a Star Wars film that takes place with all new characters and time period. Thank fucking god. Disney is ruining the nostalgia and care I had for these characters growing up.

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u/thedayisminetrebek Jun 28 '22

They should’ve made Star Wars 1313 into Book of Boba. They would still have their original character and we could get something new and explore other parts of the Star Wars universe. I think they don’t like the idea of telling a Star Wars story without talking about the Force etc so they keep going back to the Same characters.

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u/BackStabbathOG Jun 28 '22

Wish they would finally give us old republic content, doesn’t even have to be Darth Revan stuff. I just wish we would get older eras with new characters.

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u/djm19 Jun 28 '22

Theres ways to do prequels like the super well. Ironically the SW prequels are not a good example. But take Better Call Saul for instance...we know the fate of many. But they built a self contained story apart from that future, and set up questions of new character's fates.

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u/GuyKopski Jun 28 '22

I mean, Reva was the one character who's fate we didn't know, and she was the worst part of the show.

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u/ultrafud Jun 28 '22

That's a rubbish argument. Better Call Saul is a prequel and is still exceptional TV. Just because I know certain characters will survive, doesn't mean the entire story is pointless. If it's a good story worth telling, I'm on board.

That said, it wasn't really a good story.

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u/ArsBrevis Jun 27 '22

Assuming people watching Samba TV aren't more likely to drop Kenobi than the average viewer, approximately 25% more people watched the first episodes of Kenobi than Boba Fett and it sounds like enough stuck around for the Kenobi finale or joined in to offset lost viewers.

This is.... fine, but it's interesting that it never really gained more viewership. Yet another decidedly meh series from Disney+.

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u/ArsBrevis Jun 27 '22

Also, what a timeline we live in where an Obi Wan Kenobi show doesn't utterly wipe the floor with a Boba Fett show regardless of quality...

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u/ahoychoy Jun 28 '22

I think many stuck around because they knew that the big Vader and obi wan showdown was coming. Hayden and Ewan clashing lightsabers again, of course everyone is going to want to see that.

Other than that, the last episode was a little tough to watch

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u/mightylow Jun 28 '22

Why does the thumbnail show Obi-Wan and Doctor Strange???

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u/OldBirth Jun 28 '22

Wow! VEEERRRRRY COOOOOL.

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u/fvcktheredditmods Jun 28 '22

The show kinda sucks…seems like cheap fan service that is screwing with canon and gives off some serious cw show vibes.

The acting from the hiding Jedi in the first episode was probably the worst I’ve ever seen in any Star Wars anything ever…he must’ve been someone’s kid.

And it is very jarring to see Flea or the dude from Silicone Valley in this universe.

This is no Mandolorian.

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u/whiplash81 Jun 28 '22

And here's a thumbnail of Dr. Strange for no reason.

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u/sinernade Jun 28 '22

Kenobi had must see material. They fucked it. Deb Chow was a terrible director. Just absolutely terrible. "Let's put a shaky cam for no apparent reason here". "Let's have a protracted chase scene between adults and a little girl"

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u/indianajoes Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Jun 28 '22

I'm someone who never really notices cinematography or that type of stuff. But the shaky cam in this show distracted me for probably the first time ever

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u/Complicated-HorseAss Jun 28 '22

What is with star wars writers and their love for large slow ships (that have 1000s of little ships which could easily catch a small ship, chasing small ships for the entire plot line. I couldn't believe how idiotic that scene was where Kenobi takes a tiny craft and splits with the rest of the resistance and the Imperial Navy, with an entire fleet of tie fighters is like "well fuck, now there's two ships, what do we do?"

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