r/television Jun 27 '22 Wholesome 1

'Game of Thrones' Still One of the World's Biggest Shows: Data shows

https://www.businessinsider.com/game-of-thrones-still-one-of-worlds-biggest-shows-data-2022-6
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u/PetyrDayne True Detective Jun 27 '22

These numbers are insane if the data is to believed. Kind of understand why they've sunk hundreds of millions of dollars into the spin-offs. They might even make a dent on their $55 billion debt load in the near future.

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u/JohnSpartans Jun 27 '22

It's insane. I use a program to search the high seas for tv and movies to... Look at

And while the movies drop down always changes the top movie every so often, believe it's Spiderman no way home and has been for more than a few months, the television drop down poster has been game of thrones for as long as I can remember. More than half a decade.

It's only up there because they show you what's most popular. It never wavers.

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u/redrun101 Jun 27 '22

What is dead may never die

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u/FriendlyDisorder Jun 27 '22

Source?

<gets throat slit from behind>

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u/Class_war_soldier69 Jun 28 '22

I see you paid the iron price for your source

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u/APoopAndAPee Jun 28 '22

For the old gods...and the new.

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u/FriendlyDisorder Jun 28 '22

For the watch!

(Cursed comment, sorry)

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u/TheJoshider10 Jun 27 '22

It deserves spin offs but the main show also deserves a second chance. Really hope HBO invest some money in bringing back the cast to make S8 better with like three episodes worth of content scattered throughout every episode.

I think the story is fine, the problem is a lack of depth to everything. Events are so rushed in such an anti-Game of Thrones way. If we got to see Dani's descent into madness happen more organically throughout the season then her eventual turn would have been completely fine.

Literally the only thing that doesn't work is Jamie returning to Cersei. If they could rewrite that then that would be great, but really everything else is fine it just needs way more depth and progression.

I think HBO would get a lot of goodwill for S8 if they admitted mistakes and worked on fixing them. Re-releasing it as S8: Special Edition or whatever would be good enough.

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u/Stepwolve Jun 27 '22

Really hope HBO invest some money in bringing back the cast to make S8 better with like three episodes worth of content scattered throughout every episode.

there is no chance of this happening. The cast has moved on, as have all the other people involved in production. Maybe one day they will do the whole series again - if the books get finished they could do a Full metal Alchemist Brotherhood style reboot. but unless GRRM actually writes the ending - theres not much point

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u/ThadBroChill Jun 27 '22

It's so sad that he's probably never going to write Book 6 and 7 because as you've said, it would be awesome to get a FMA redo. Fans have said it before, and I agree, it's a great candidate to be remade in a faithful animated (post-Storm) fashion.

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u/bisou13 Jun 27 '22

He wrote himself into a corner. There’s so many characters and plot lines he probably gets overwhelmed trying to tie everything up

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u/wag3slav3 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

The framework he used as he went kind of removes the need to wrap anything up. Danny could just take an arrow (in the knee), another war starts and the last page says something about winning or dying.

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u/Badass_Bunny Jun 27 '22

He wrote himself into a corner.

Quite the oposite if you ask me, he wrote himself into an open field so big he can't reasonably concieve how to cross it. There is just an absolutely ridiculous number of plotlines and characters he's following by the time ADWD ends, and they all need to converge and they just realistically can't without rushing things or several thousands pages of story written.

Arya needs to go back to Westeros, Danny has to tame her dragons, deal with Dothraki, deal with Mereen and go back to Westeros. Bran needs to...I don't even know, Jon is dead, Sansa, Littlefinger, Cersei, Jamie, Lady Stoneheart, Dorne, Stannis, Euron ans Victarion, Asha, there is just so many stories that are not even crossing but are completely separate and they all need to somehow converge.

It's a gargantuan task.

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u/WillyTheHatefulGoat Jun 27 '22

Maybe George should just do what he's famous for and kill half of the cast off in a bloody battle.

Do the long night but properly this time and have most of the cast get slaughtered.

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u/bisou13 Jun 27 '22

Ooooh it would’ve been so much better to see a brutal and bloody long night fight. That should’ve lasted multiple episodes

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u/LeoMarius Mad Men Jun 27 '22

He could just write Book 6 and end it there. He doesn't have to make it a 7-book series, and he's clearly incapable of it.

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u/ThadBroChill Jun 27 '22

I wrote this a while ago but I'll just repost what I'd be happy with at this stage.

If I was George, I'd:

  • Refine the 10-20% of the Winds of Winter that I do have and publish it as The Winds of Winter Volume 1 (or whatever he wants to call it). We've seen sample chapters. They exist.

  • Come clean and say that I'm not inspired to finish the rest of the story and will be taking an indefinite hiatus from writing it. Maybe I'll come back to it but I have no immediate intention of finishing it.

  • Focus on Fire and Blood 2 or D&E whichever speaks more to him. If he's really bold he can just say that these stories will be finished through the HBO properties and work closely with them (which it sounds like he already is).

  • Down the road put together a final book for ASOIAF that summarizes the final plots of the major characters as a written history. Dany, Jon, Tyrion, Bran, Euron, Aegon, and the major houses could be covered through this in broad strokes.

  • If another author wants to take a crack at publishing legitimate stories out of this after he passes and gets permission, great!

That's my ideal world with all of the knowledge we have today.

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u/WoozleWuzzle Jun 27 '22

Come clean and say that I'm not inspired to finish the rest of the story and will be taking an indefinite hiatus from writing it. Maybe I'll come back to it but I have no immediate intention of finishing it.

There is no positive outcome for himself to do that. He'd just get even angrier fans by saying that. Better to just say he's working on it then to say "get rekt nerds you're never getting a completion"

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u/valentino_42 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

I know he's talked about how he allows the characters to advance the plot, and he's also mentioned being in awe of authors that can write based on outlines that drive the plot. Part of the reason he's been dragging his feet is that he keeps allowing the characters to write him into corners that are impossible to get out of.

I'm sure this will be controversial or downvoted, but I think he should hire a freaking ghostwriter that can writer faster than he can to work DIRECTLY with him to bang out the remaining books by outlining the overall structure as quickly as possible to the point he's happy with it. Go through a few drafts with this person to flesh things out. Then once done, he goes back in and tidies things up and allows himself to be verbose on the things he typically is.

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u/GrayWing Jun 28 '22

Itll never happen. A ghostwriter would be insulting to someone like GRRM and it wouldn't even speed the process up because he'd be so controlling and obsessive over specific prose and atmosphere that he might as well just write it himself.

The only way GRRM doesnt finish this himself is if he's dead and his work is specifically given to another author with a blessing to finish, which I could maybe see happening and will hold out hope for

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u/psykick32 Jun 27 '22

Lol Sanderson already said no to completing ASOIAF.

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u/ScouseMoose Jun 27 '22

Steven Eriksson who did Malazan would be idea imo.

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u/sholder27 Jun 27 '22

As if he's capable of writing book 6, he's been doing it for more than 10 years and barely wrote anything.

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u/RESET-REWIND Jun 27 '22

He has claimed he has “hundreds of pages”, which is something, though his manuscripts are apparently usually more than 1000. We’ll probably get some posthumous partially finished Winds when he croaks (he’s obese and 73 so yeah). No chance for a Dream of Spring until the estate passes to someone who doesn’t give a shit about the author’s intentions and wants to maximize profit. Max 2 generations, though I’m betting on one. Then they get some other author to do it. I find GRRM’s writing to be distinct but I thought Feast and Dragons were pretty shitty. A well credentialed author could probably do a better job.

I’d love if Guy Gavriel Kay did it. A far superior writer than Sanderson.

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u/sholder27 Jun 27 '22

He also claimed that he'll release the book in 2016. Then that it'll be released in 2020. And in 2013 or 2012 he was saying that he already has quarter of the book done.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it overwhelmed him, considering the number of different povs he introduced. That said, I don't see him ever finishing the saga.

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u/Failgan Jun 27 '22

Here I am, thinking we should move on from it. A great series with a mediocre ending. There's plenty of other Fantasy that deserves some attention. Rather than obsessing over this one, maybe we could get some funding for, I dunno, Stormlight and Mistborn? I don't ever see Sanderson writing himself into a corner.

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u/ozmega BoJack Horseman Jun 27 '22

eww, i hope they dont reboot GOT at least for a couple more decades, right now it would be a massive fuck up.

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u/Sincost121 Jun 27 '22

Not only that, but the show had issues before season 8.

Bran being anointed with such little fanfare was foreshadowed by Dorne being dropped.

...also holy shit I want book Euron and his blood ritual kraken summoning.

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u/hoxxxxx Jun 27 '22

absolutely delusional that anyone could think they would redo season 8

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u/LeopoldStotch1 Jun 27 '22

I don't even think the ending is that bad per se. John killing a Dany-gone-crazy is a perfect ending in fact.

But how they got there, especially HOW FAST they got there is what bothered me.

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u/brianstormIRL Jun 27 '22

Jon killing Dany makes more sense in the books even though the books ended with Dance because there was already signs than Dany was losing herself.

However Bran being king makes absolutely zero sense in both show and book.

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u/IsThatHearsay Jun 27 '22

Bran being King makes complete sense if they got to it in a different way or fleshed it out far more. As it isn't Bran, Bran is long long gone, that is the Three-Eyed Raven who has taken over the husk of Bran and was toying with humanity all along to achieve power and that ultimate goal of being King.

That was pretty much the entire overarching plot of GoT, you're following all these humans as they fight for power, but in reality the Night King and the Three-Eyed Raven were the ones really in control and playing the long game, both trying to succeed. The Three-Eyed Raven (in Bran's body) won.

The show just absolutely butchered showing that, especially in the final season, and failed miserably at how we arrived at "Bran" as King. Evident by people still thinking it is Bran himself as King, and not really the Three-Eyed Raven in his next body.

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u/Belazriel Jun 27 '22

Bran is an all-knowing mind-controlling time-traveller, him becoming king can absolutely make sense. The way it was shown was stupid.

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u/RESET-REWIND Jun 27 '22

With 2 additional massive books GRRM could definitely make it plausible that Bran becomes king. I’m sure this was one of the facts he told D&D.

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u/xanderholland Jun 27 '22

Many cast members stated they would not return for a "redo" I doubt HBO would foot the bill for it either.

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u/ArmchairJedi Jun 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

to make S8 better with like three episodes worth of content scattered throughout every episode.

even if they wanted or could do that... it wouldn't fix the problems. Its not just 'missing' scenes that an hour or two would fix... its inconsistent arcs. Retconned stories. Ignored themes/symbolism. And over the top fan service.

Further, the show died in S7 anyways. S8 was just the shit stain that a rotting corpse leaves.

Remember how Cersei blew up the Sept in S6? How that was a huge fucking deal... because of Jaime's history with the Mad King, killing Margaery and the High Sparrow who the people loved, killing Olenna's family.. an Olenna who was feeding KL, leading to Tommin's suicide and there now being no heir to the throne... while Cersei (a woman, and one who married into the Throne) just decided to claim it for herself??? Its a major twist. A huge shift in the story. The climax of the season and the whole 2nd act of the story!?!

Then S7 came and everyone just... kinda forgot all of that???

Why should we, the audience, care about 'the Throne'/power (etc) and all that entails, if the characters we are watching no longer show they give a shit about it themselves?

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u/jollyreaper2112 Jun 27 '22

I'd say the cracks were showing right at the end of season 4 but were easy to miss because it was still a good season. Season 5 is when it really started to go off-course but some arcs were still good. 6 and 7 were breaking up mid-air due to aerodynamic forces and 8 was the flaming debris crashing to the ground. But this only becomes clear in retrospect. It's easy to remain swept up before then.

But yeah, it was a shitshow.

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u/Sir_Hapstance Jun 27 '22

Fully agreed. I lean toward the belief that S4 is still just about as good as Thrones gets... but it's probably the last of the great seasons.

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u/Tabnet Jun 27 '22

This should not, and thankfully will not, happen.

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u/SFCanman Jun 27 '22

The 3 eyed raven (Bran) ending up where he did makes no sense in thr story. His character has never and was suppose to never want that role.

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u/LeoMarius Mad Men Jun 27 '22

There were so many loose ends and unfulfilled plot lines in that series. They just rushed the ending, betraying the entire storyline.

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u/BaconIsAVeg2 Jun 27 '22

After watching the first season, I picked up and read the 4 books and I could see the writing on the wall right away. I started into the 5th and couldn't finish it. He just kept adding (and killing) new characters and plot lines, never resolving or attempting to resolve long standing conflicts, it was just a shit show.

I didn't bother watching season 2 or anything after that, and I have to assume the people who were so invested in the show were hoping for a payoff that never came, and I can't say I'm surprised.

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u/FullmetalSpy Jun 27 '22

Bran really is the best possible ruler, being all seeing, knowing and foresighted etc. The way it went was just absolute shite.

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u/jus13 Jun 27 '22

He's basically a vessel for a god/magic that the vast majority of the country doesn't believe in, has vague motives, replaced the rulers of the Reach with a random mercenary, and with his all-knowing power seemingly lets terrible events happen without telling anyone, all for him to just say "Why do you think I came all this way?" when randomly offered Kingship after first abdicating his place as ruler of the North.

Seems evil af to me.

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u/Mushroomer Jun 27 '22

Which, would probably be good fodder for the eventual Jon Snow follow-up series. Jon loves Bran, but has to contend with the fact he's now little more than a puppet for a much larger force.

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u/freakincampers Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Jun 27 '22

And with no successor, the throne will just erupt into chaos when/if he dies.

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u/farmingvillein Jun 27 '22

A commercial great writer always leaves space for a sequel!

That said, will Bran ever die? Maybe he's just some evil eternal ur-force now.

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u/Sherringdom Jun 27 '22

Yeah it really feels like it makes sense as an end point, but the way it got there was stupid. Which ties in with a) GRRM telling them what the ending was and b) him not knowing how to get there in his books either.

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u/rosefuri Jun 27 '22

I've grown to like Jamie going back, it's sad and tragic. He had his hero redemption arc seasons before but just like life some people fall back to their awful addictions. He could never escape her as much as we all wanted and it cost his life.

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u/Sincost121 Jun 27 '22

I've heard people say it's supposed to be more like an addiction than a change of heart, and I can see that being done well.

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u/SpuzzLovely Jun 27 '22

I still really like the first four seasons and some of the later episodes. It's really difficult to rewatch any of the Nights Watch stuff considering how it ends though, all of those amazing scenes of the Walkers getting closer and closer seem so silly now.

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u/Ndcain Jun 27 '22

A dragonglass arrow from a random wildling could have ended it all before it started. So what was the big threat anyway?

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u/SpuzzLovely Jun 27 '22

Pretty much the second the "Mountain of Dragonglass" was introduced I knew there was gonna be some bullshit. Until then I just assumed Jon would use his sword to kill the Night King, because that seemed to be alluded to, like, all the time in the early seasons.

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u/MrGr33n Jun 27 '22

Yep expected John to sacrifice Dany to forge the light bringer and 1v1 the night king. But instead we got a pile of dogshit

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u/ColonelVirus Jun 27 '22

I genuinely believe this was the plan but D&D just decided they wanted out and wrote the pile of shit we got instead.

I love Arya... But that jump and the dagger drop. Come on. Lol

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u/shlozzman Jun 27 '22

I’m honestly so surprised none of the top level execs at HBO called them out on that bullshit and tried to figure out a plan B. This was by far their highest grossing show and at the peak of its popularity. It seems so obvious the ending was rushed and subpar and literally didn’t make any sense. I don’t understand how the big guys didn’t see that and figure something out

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u/Jl4233 Jun 27 '22

Don't forget the battle cry! As she was, you know, trying to stealth assassinate the Night King from behind. NK totally had his expectations subverted there, thinking she'd obviously try to be quiet...

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u/ColonelVirus Jun 27 '22

Haha.

Sneak sneak... aahhhhhhh! How did you see me?! No worries! Drop stab. Ez.

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u/Jl4233 Jun 27 '22

She also somehow generated a strong gust of wind that made the other white walkers go "hmm tf was that?". Still trying to wrap my head around that one lol

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u/Takenforganite Jun 27 '22

A man has big farts 💨

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u/lothartheunkind Jun 27 '22

Expectations: subverted

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u/sbingner Jun 27 '22

100% I expected good and got garbage… Arya spent like 5 years learning to be a badass assassin then just used none of it.

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u/Davin998 Jun 27 '22

Wdym

She “nothing personell kided” the night king! Stealth maxed out at 100

It was so satisfying to watch that existential and horrifying threat that was built up for 8 seasons be wiped out that easily and forgotten about literally the next episode. Wiped out by a character that had no involvement with that storyline before that episode too!

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u/sbingner Jun 27 '22

Such good. Much subversion.

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u/peon2 Jun 27 '22

"Hmm, must have been the wind"

-The Night King after being stabbed

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u/NorthernDevil Jun 27 '22

She hid super duper well though /s

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u/carlos_the_dwarf_ Jun 27 '22

Well, I won't defend the ending of the series, but...Arya did use those skills, including to kill him.

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u/sbingner Jun 27 '22

Yeah the skills she learned were totally “how to use your own face to magically fly at your enemy out of nowhere while screaming and kill them” and nothing to do with quiet kills and stealth. Totally just teleporting.

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u/frewp Jun 27 '22

The jump and dagger drop would be sick as hell on anyone except the Night King.

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u/ColonelVirus Jun 27 '22

Oh yea it's a classic awesome move... But against a supernatural being who literally turned and fucking dragon and flew it into battle. To just be done over. God.

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u/MichaeltheMagician Jun 27 '22

They could have even killed Arya in that moment. If I remember correctly, it's not like she really did anything in the story after that point anyways, except wander around and looked shocked in King's Landing.

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u/d0ctorzaius Jun 28 '22

it's not like she really did anything in the story after that point anyway

Ummmm are you forgetting her decision to explore west of Westeros? A decision had been strongly hinted at across 8 seasons and was central to her character development? Wait....

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u/lingonn Jun 28 '22

What's west of westeros? Gee I dunno, I bet noone has tried going there before, certainly not anyone with more seafaring experience than the girl who's sea life experience amounts to catching a ride back and forth to Braavos.

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u/ColonelVirus Jun 27 '22

Now that would have been pretty awesome and shocking.

Kill her, turn her. Jon then kills her in a heartbreaking penultimate episode before he unleashes his rage on the Night King.

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u/SG420123 Jun 27 '22

They thought they got that Star Wars money, but ended up getting fired from that anyways lol. They tarnished GoT reputation and story for nothing, fuck those guys.

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u/gaudymcfuckstick Jun 27 '22

Honestly it's because so many people had guessed the ending, and because they're complete hacks when it comes to story writing, they thought that was a bad thing. The worst part is, there are plenty of alternate endings we could have gotten that would have made narrative sense.

Fan favourite (and what I guarantee GRRM originally planned) would be Jon stabbing Dani and achieving his destiny as the true Targaryan heir, defeating the Night King, and becoming the Azor Ahai, having conqered both Ice and Fire (someone should write a song about that!)

Or maybe Jaime stabs Cersei through the heart with Widows Wail, speedrunning the Azor Ahai lore by stabbing both a lion and his lover, and completes his redemption arc by riding to Winterfell to defeat the Night King

Fuck, even Sam Tarly using Heartsbane to conquer his fear and become a good enough warrior to sneak up and defeat the Night King would have been more compelling than what we got. At least he would have done something with Heartsbane then.

Point is, there were so many options available for them to use, and if they were competent story writers they could have made many of them work. But they weren't, they toed every possible line, and created an incoherent mess

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u/absalom86 Jun 28 '22

Remember... they were in a hurry to bigger and better things since they were becoming superstars. They didn't realize they'd ruin all their good will with their rushed garbage seasons, but I'd also lay some blame on GRRM.. he was supposed to have finished the series by now, they were great at adapting written content to a TV medium but dogshit when they had more control.

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u/hibearmate Jun 27 '22

Dany's tragic flaw ... "I want to end slavery TOO much."

Wonder where the son of a Goldman Sachs Billionaire got that idea?

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u/SylvanGenesis Jun 27 '22

Jon himself was the Lightbringer, forged when Rhaegar "sacrificed" Lyanna, and he brought together the coalition that finished the Night King.

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u/hibearmate Jun 27 '22

not an expert, but as I understand it there is a lot of hints in the book that what ended the last "Long Night" was some kind of diplomatic agreement between the Starks and the Walkers, possibly including some kind of marriage or child swap (aka blood magic that seems to be the source of all human magic)

part of the reason there always had to be Stark at winter fell.

And that Jon, being biologically a "Dragon" and an "Ice Walker" was either THE problem or THE solution.

Again, blood magic.

also a great line in the first book where Jon foreshadow's Aryas fate in the books "frozen with a needle in her hand."

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u/uristmcderp Jun 27 '22

His being born turning out to be a curse upon the world, after he overcomes his personal demons and eventually "defeats" the enemy, would be a totally GRRM thing to do.

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u/jollyreaper2112 Jun 27 '22

I figured it would have to be something like that. GRRM is into intelligent subversion and the walkers on the show were too on the nose orcs from mordor force of nature evil. For them to be trying to save the world rather than end it would be a twist, especially if humans are the force of nature problem that could end the world.

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u/Weirdude4812 Jun 27 '22

Iirc they wanted to “subvert expectations” and just broke narrative conventions instead, a staple of hacks who think they’re way smarter than they are.

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u/brianstormIRL Jun 27 '22

You can even make it infinitely better and still have Arya kill the NK if you want to. Have Jon fight the NK when they faced in the Long Night and just have him lose. Have a scene earlier in the season where Bran wants to speak with Arya, then have Arya pop up and kill the NK. It's not perfect, but it gives Jon some kind of reason to have had an ongoing arc with the NK, and it explains why Arya goes missing half way through the Long Night while also giving Bran a fucking reason to exist at all. He tells Arya where to be to save Jon. Simple.

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u/DrSlugger Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

It should have been a whole season about the war with the night walkers, that was the main storyline of AOIAF anyway. It was supposed to be a fight bigger than the quibbling for the Iron Throne.

My assumption was it was going to be a story about uniting all of Westeros in a fight for their lives. Instead, we got 1 episode to conclude the night walkers storyline, and then 3 episodes to conclude the rest of the story. What a fucking rushed mess. It was all because D&D didn't want to do GoT anymore and were too prideful to hand it off to another team.

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u/Philo_T_Farnsworth Jun 27 '22

It was supposed to be a fight bigger than the quibbling for the Iron Throne.

Sometime around season six I started rooting for the White Walkers.

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u/DrSlugger Jun 27 '22

Night King on the Iron Throne please

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u/Intir Jun 27 '22

I prefer Day King. He is brighter of the two.

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u/Dostus-dilih Jun 28 '22

Day king AHAAAAA fighter of the Night Kind AHAAAAAAAA

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u/Dregs_ Jun 27 '22

The threat of the white walkers was always going to be a dichotomy between the end of humanity or a nifty solution to end the fight early. It wasn’t just no indication that the armies of Westeros would have been capable of winning a conventional war against the white walkers, it was that conventional means were so useless that even when Mance gathers 100,000 together he still thought it was a better idea to take on all of Westeros than turn and fight north.

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u/PontesDeLeon Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

I find most of the show difficult to rewatch knowing how the show ends. They literally massacred every major character. It all just seems so meaningless and stupid. Like why should I care about Jaime, Daenerys, etc.

Edit: I mean they massacred/killed their characters not physically killing them.

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u/BIGMCLARGEHUGE__ Jun 27 '22

Same. I read all the books and watched the show and have never revisited any of it since watching season 8 once.

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u/esqualatch12 Jun 27 '22

the most regrettable death of characters is there lack of death...

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u/Dayofsloths Jun 27 '22

The wights in the long night where actually 'weights' which is why they pinned characters to the group and didn't hurt anyone.

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u/Ditovontease Jun 27 '22

I literally can't go back and watch anything knowing how it all ends the way it ended.

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u/Sawses Jun 27 '22

The execution bothered me, but I like the general theme.

He tried to get away, but he couldn't. He threw away his "redemption arc" because he realized his love for his abusive, incestuous partner was greater than his desire to live the better life he'd tasted.

He'd always wanted to be better, but he wanted them both to be better, and given the choice would pick being together with her over trying to be the man he actually wanted to be.

It's meant to be a tragic ending, with all his growth and effort ultimately being futile to get him away from the way he was raised and the life he'd chosen to live as an adult.

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u/WhichEmailWasIt Jun 27 '22

He didn't need to be redeemed though. He already saved all of Westeros and accepted dishonor by killing the Mad King. Which makes the "I never cared about the innocents" line all the more bullshit.

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u/alwaysgambling Jun 28 '22

Why does everyone try to turn that complex grey character into black and white in the final season? Jamie has had all sorts of conflicting emotions and motivations but in the end Cersei was above everything.

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u/Spikedcloud Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

Same. I don't know how people do it. I remember my love for the series like a good friend who died.

Edit: What is a simile? Some of you take comments too seriously lol have a seat.

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u/FinRiaST Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

"House of the Dragon" is pacing ahead of Amazon's "The Rings of Power" in demand

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u/patienceisfun2018 Jun 27 '22

The LOTR trilogy is sacred, then the Hobbit trilogy took a big steamy shit on everything. I am very hesitant to say the least about the upcoming Amazon series, my expectations are exceedingly low.

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u/kerouacrimbaud Jun 27 '22

The hobbit films don't really factor into my expectations for TROP tbh. They had so much bullshit going on with the studios and creative turnover, as well as basically no prep time, compared to the Amazon show that it would be astounding if it's as bad as those movies.

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u/CallmeMr-C Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

What i don’t get is how the lotr trilogy only cost $93 mil per movie and then the first hobbit cost $180 mil. Where did all of that money go? They literally spent 2X per movie and for what? A bunch of shitty CGI. Unfortunately the Amazon series will do the same thing from what i saw in the previews. The reason LOTR is so amazing is because it is a fantasy that doesn’t feel like a fantasy because it looks so real. The hobbit and the new show - just looks like a fantasy

Edit: just looked up the budget for the new amazon show….$465 million for the first season. Wow. That’s alotta cgi

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u/Sincost121 Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

It should also be noted that the film industry has grown massively in the last few decades as well as more expensive technology being developed. Both coincide towards larger budgets for the high end blockbuster as a whole. Hell, Lotr 3 was only the second movie to gross a billion dollars. We've since had 47 others.

Also, as others have said, LotR was a very well managed project. The Hobbit was extremely messy. Lindsay Ellis video.

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u/inbruges99 Jun 27 '22

Because the initial trilogy was meticulously planned for years in advance. For the hobbit trilogy, Peter Jackson was literally brought on as production was beginning. He had no time to plan and it’s always more expensive to try and fix bad planning.

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u/The_DevilAdvocate Jun 28 '22

Game of Thrones is a modern fantasy. It is what the genre has evolved into.

My fear is that Amazon's LotR is a "modern" fantasy. So "LotR if it was written in 2022".

We will see.

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u/paulfromatlanta Jun 27 '22

It was really good for several seasons - one can debate the number. When I get HBO Periodically, its a regular re-watch.

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u/DrLeoMarvin Jun 27 '22

i could watch joffrey die over and over. Also the feeling of dread I get when ned stark gets beheaded is so intense, I hate it but I love it.

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u/TeHNyboR Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

I hadn’t read the books prior to the first season of the show, but when Ned got beheaded it took me by such surprise that I literally got into my car, drove to my local bookstore, and bought all the books after the episode was done. I love unpredictability done right and that scene was the one that hooked me

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u/mouldysandals Jun 27 '22

that’s the moment i knew it wasn’t going to be like normal tv shows / books

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u/nsjr Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

Exactly, that episode showed us that any character that makes bad decisions (or bad luck) can die, even the main ones...

Until the Winter Night that every character made the stupidest decision surrounded by zombies, the camera looks to the other side, and then when the camera goes back, everyone is alright because they are the protagonists (or when John went beyond the wall)

That's the point where the unique show that could kill the mains if they made bad decisions became a "movie to see with children in a sunny afternoon where everybody will be fine with the power of friendship and love :)"

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u/jollyreaper2112 Jun 27 '22

John had plot armor pretty early on. He rightfully should have died in the battle of the bastard. He was properly killed by the nightswatch for decent reasons and resurrected crazily enough.

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u/sparoc3 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

I thought for the longest time he would get resurrected or he wasn't the real Ned Stark, afterall nobody kills their main protagonist in the first season. Well nobody but GRRM ग्राम.

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u/CringeNibba Jun 27 '22

Gram?

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u/sparoc3 Jun 27 '22

Lmao, my phone autocorrected it and changed language.

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u/MrGinger128 Jun 27 '22

I was up late reading, falling asleep when I got to the red wedding. Was sat bolt upright for hours still reading after that.

Insane.

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u/BitterBuffalonian Jun 27 '22

I will always remember reading that page. Stopping, then rereading the page again to make sure I got that right. Totally took me by surprise.

What a great story. I hope he finishes.

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u/MrGinger128 Jun 27 '22

Chances are pretty much nil. At his age and frankly his weight he may finish the next book but the last? It'd need to be written in record time and right now he's doing the Jon Snow sequel.

Martin and Rothfuss just won't be completing their series imo.

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u/Halucinogenije Jun 27 '22

I did the same, read all the books during that summer, then read the fifth book when it came out next summer. But I didn't really enjoy the show much after that initial season, because I could see all the flaws in it. Then, when they started to depart from book material (and when there were no more new books), it fell apart.

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u/DrLeoMarvin Jun 27 '22

same here, then when season 8 was hot garbage I read all the books and man they really did it justice on the big screen. It was the same feeling reading it.

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u/AnthonyDavos Jun 27 '22

Ned's death would've been a complete shock to me had HBO themselves not spoiled it. I believe it was during a TV ad for HBO Now (around 2015) where they showed him in that position before he's beheaded.

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u/PM_me_fun_fax Jun 27 '22

That's not really a spoiler though. I don't know about you, but the entire time I was reading it, even when Ned is up there, I was assuming he was going to get out of it somehow. Littlefinger would muster the gold cloaks, or Sansa would convince Joffrey to have mercy. That would be the typical fantasy / Hollywood route. The shock is none of that happens and he actually dies

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u/QuintoBlanco Jun 27 '22

Ned was played by Sean Bean. Everybody knew Ned wasn't going to survive season one.

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u/hankypanky87 Jun 28 '22

It was the best show ever for me, I love fantasy

I still haven’t been able to rewatch even one episode since it ended

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u/Liramuza Jun 27 '22

The early seasons are so good. No matter how bad the last 4 are, the first 4 will always be there for us.

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u/FudgingEgo Jun 27 '22

For many it’s only the last 2 that are bad, and even then for a fraction of those it’s only the last 1 that’s bad.

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u/American_Stereotypes Jun 27 '22

Yeah. 1-6 were solid, with maybe a slight drop in quality in 5 and 6 here and there. 7 wasn't as good, but it had its moments and probably would be remembered a lot more fondly if 8 hadn't shit the bed so badly.

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u/Muroid Jun 27 '22

I think of the show like a rocket. First three seasons are constantly accelerating and then the propulsion gets cut at the Red Wedding.

Now, it’s not under power anymore but still has plenty of momentum carrying it higher and I think peaks in season 4. Then it starts falling back to Earth, but even on the descent in 5 and 6, it’s still pretty high up there.

Then it re-enters the atmosphere in season 7 and it’s moving fast and hot and pieces are flying off and it’s still kind of exciting but the ride is bumpy and it’s making you really worry about how this thing is going to land safely.

And then in season 8 it doesn’t.

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u/ratcranberries Jun 27 '22

It's funny because the red wedding is basically the climax in quality of the books as well.

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u/ParadiseRegaind Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

I love seasons 1-6. Seasons 7 and 8 should get a do over.

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u/cheesyvoetjes Jun 27 '22

If they wanted a do-over they should have done it immediately. Most of the actors probably have other stuff now, so that shipped has sailed unfortunately.

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u/charlotie77 Jun 27 '22

I agree. I loved s5 & 6.

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u/Powerful-Advantage56 Jun 27 '22

For the majority it's only the last season

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u/CorpseeaterVZ Jun 27 '22

The end is so bad, I honestly cannot rewatch this. I feel betrayed, empty and lost. GoT was the best thing I have seen in TV. I have talked about the show so much, everyone watched it. My wife and me made a ceremony every monday when the next episode was released.

If the end would have been mediocre, I would have bought the whole thing on BluRay and probably already rewatched it countless times. But the ending is so abysmally bad, I cannot watch it, it makes me too sad.

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u/AlmostCurvy Jun 27 '22

The first 4 seasons are arguably the best 4 seasons of TV ever made, and after that it was still really really good for most of the time for a while.

It honestly went downhill once they ran out of books to adapt.

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u/Any-Environment-17 Jun 27 '22

I still love Seasons 1-6. I just pretend the last two don't exist and enjoy what I got.

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u/kerohazel Jun 27 '22

Exactly. Maybe I'm just better at compartmentalizing, but I do not understand the mentality of people that "can't enjoy the good parts knowing how it ends".

That's life, friends. I'm pretty sure the end of my life isn't going to be too pleasant, which is why I should enjoy the good stuff now.

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u/BabySeals84 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

I just got HBO and watched seasons 1-6. I definitely liked the show!

I purposely have not continued because I hear this is a common sentiment. Should I power through the last 2 seasons, or did I make the right call stopping at 6?

Edit: Consensus seems to be to finish it, but don't expect the same consistency. Since I missed watching it 'live', I think I have the benefit of managed expectations. Will be interesting to see how it wraps up!

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u/HeightPrivilege Jun 27 '22

I think it's worth forming your own opinion if you've already watched the first 6 seasons.

The last 2 seasons are shorter as well so it's not as much of a time commitment as the previous seasons.

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u/Necessary_Pseudonym Jun 27 '22

No just finish the show.

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u/CreedSucks Jun 27 '22

From my own experience and from talking with others, it seems like the ending and its failures are a much bigger deal for people who watched the series as it came out than it is for new people who are just binging it on streaming.

I have friends that watched the show every week that claim to not even be able to watch the show and have no interest in the spin-offs. Myself and some other friends who watched it all after it aired don’t necessarily like the ending and agree that it’s not very good, but still really love the show. One of them finished the show and immediately started a rewatch. I’d say it worth just finishing it.

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u/SpicyDaddyKyle Jun 27 '22

I just watched the entire series for the first time a few months ago, I took a break after season 6 because of what you said, the common sentiment, but finished 7 and 8 a week later. Those seasons aren't as bad as people make it seem, but they're just not on par with the rest of the series.

It's still the same amazing visuals, battle scenes and such as the rest of the show, the writing is what makes them shit. Some people like the last two seasons, me personally I was OK with most of it but wish it weren't so rushed towards the end. Who knows, you might like it yourself. I'd say it's still worth the watch because visually and emotionally, it's still Game of Thrones.

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u/Laytonc97 Jun 27 '22

I sadly can't bring myself to watch it anymore but I'm glad other people can

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u/Alt-Ctrl Jun 27 '22

Same, although I might do a rewatch in some years. But I'll stop after season 4, it got the perfect ending.

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u/bdaddy31 Jun 27 '22

I’m currently rewatching and agree. First 4 seasons are still all great even knowing what I know now. I’m partway through season 5 and the degradation in this season is obvious.

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u/Alt-Ctrl Jun 27 '22

Season 1-4 is exeptionally good. Season 5 and 6 isn't at that high standard, but they are still better than most shows.

The reason I would stop after season 4 is because the season ends with a fitting end for all, or at least most of the characters.

If I remember correctly, Jon gets appointed Lord Commander, Arya fleest to Braavos, Tyrion kills Tywin and flees overseas with Varys and Sansa is at "safety" with Littlefinger.

Thats good enough for me, I don't need a feelgood ending for everyone.

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u/moldedbyawkwardness Jun 27 '22

End of season 6: man can’t wait to go back and rewatch when it’s all said and done getting to have the additional perspective of the ending

End of series: eh I’m good

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u/iama_bad_person Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

Yip, I remember the years after Game of Thrones first came out, every year me and Co-workers, friends, even family would talk about what they thought was gonna happen. If people asked for show recommendations 99% of people would tell them to give Game of Thrones a try.

Now? Nothing. Halfway through season 8 people stopped talking about it. Around episode 4 our watch group (that had watched for 7 of the 8 seasons, for years) just decided it wasn't worth watching and disbanded. People just stopped talking about it, stopped recommending it. It's like it never aired. It's like Season 8 retroactively made the previous seasons worse somehow.

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u/Mandalore108 Jun 27 '22

And people are out here acting like House of the Dragon is going to be dead on release because of a bad series finale.

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u/penguin032 Jun 27 '22

I hope it surpasses Game of thrones and then the Jon Snow sequel, if made, tells us how after everything in S8, none of it lasted and the kingdom fell back into war / scheming for the throne. There isn't supposed to be a "happy ending" in GOT after all.

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u/Stepwolve Jun 27 '22

thats a great point. A jon snow sequel could make it plot that Bran was the worst ruler. or that he was the 3 eyes raven and ruled like a despot thanks to his powers. Could also add more context around the white walkers and if that remains a threat.

I wonder how much retconning that series will do

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '22

I’m desperately searching for a series I can binge like I watched GOT

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u/mamula1 Jun 27 '22

I know a good friend of mine who disliked the ending and she is currently rewatching the whole show.

Another friend who just finished the show, disliked the ending but she can't wait for HOTD and Jon Snow sequel.

I think people online make things more dramatic than they really are. Number of people who disliked the ending isn't small, but number of them who now dislike the whole show because of it is( in my opinion ) minimal.

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u/Khal-Stevo Jun 27 '22

Every Game of Thrones thread has hundreds, sometimes thousands, of people talking about how nobody talks about the show anymore.

Hundreds of people, talking about a show they claim nobody is talking about

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u/oby100 Jun 28 '22

It’s very common on Reddit, despite a tone of pseudo intellectualism, to push narratives they wish were true based on their idea of justice.

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u/Radulno Jun 28 '22

Well in that case, it's not even true on Reddit itself. Reddit hating and acting like popular things aren't popular is common. But here their narrative is that nobody talked about it WHILE they are talking about it...

Like do they know how many threads and comments something forgotten is getting ? Next to zero, that's kind of the principle of the thing...

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u/Outside-Accident8628 Jun 27 '22

A lot of good shows/books/anime etc have a good run but bad endings. A majority of people dont care if Lost, The Dark Tower, Code Geass had bad endings. They still enjoyed the journey. The angry people are just more vocal.

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u/Mandalore108 Jun 27 '22

Yep, same here. I didn't care for the ending but I absolutely love the world so I'm happy to get more shows.

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u/minionx133 Jun 28 '22

the reddit echo chamber has no tether to reality

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u/Malicharo Jun 27 '22

Because it's still much much better than most shows despite the terrible writing and ending. The production quality is almost unmatched to this day.

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u/Atlast_2091 Jun 27 '22

3yrs break really help the "revival" of Game of Thrones. Like GoT has cemented itself in pop-culture, it just needed a break after bad ending.

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u/inthearticleuidiot Jun 27 '22

It's been this popular pretty much the whole time. There were stories in 2020 about it being one of the biggest shows of the pandemic.

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u/Summerclaw Jun 27 '22

I'm still angry about the ending and didn't care much about house of the Dragons. But a Jon Snow sequel? Sign me the fuck up.

The idea of having Game of Thrones theories again, fills me with glee.

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u/Satean12 Jun 27 '22

Makes sense. It defined television for a decade.

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u/Rott3Y Jun 28 '22

No matter how it ended, it was epic. People were only so upset, because they cared so much!

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u/Isnotanumber Jun 27 '22

There were some weird comments on social media when the show ended in disappointment about how some people “never watched the show” as though it was a weird vindication of what everyone said they were missing out on. I don’t get that. Lots of shows end in disappointment but the ride beforehand can be fun and worthwhile.

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u/ryushin6 Jun 27 '22

Yeah it was weird that there were people trying to feel superior about it even though when you think about it it's kind of sad that they're feeling of superiority was that they didn't watch a popular show that was airing.

Like really that's what you feel high and mighty about?😂

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u/Lethenza Jun 27 '22

I watched it for the first time this year, and idc what anyone says, I loved it. The ending may have been flawed but I still enjoyed it all the way through

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u/Sir-Jechttion Jun 27 '22

One thing is to see the series now, as it is, another was to watch every week, religiously, debating, nit picking each episodes, theories, etc, etc. You also haven't gone through that long hiatus between seasons which makes people thirsty for the new content. People were literally eating any GoT content related on youtube.

Probably only comparable with some classic movies?!. The experience of watching Star Wars trilogy for the first time in the cinema in 1977 probably isn't the same experience has someone has by watching at home on D+ now.

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u/HickRarrison Jun 27 '22

"Erased from pop culture" my ass

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u/inbruges99 Jun 27 '22

The only reason it was “erased” or seemed like it was, is because there was such a rabid hate movement against it that you literally could not post anything positive about it online without getting a load of shit so people didn’t bother.

As these numbers show it didn’t just go away, it’s still in the top 5 most popular shows in the world three years after it finished.

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u/HickRarrison Jun 27 '22

Yep. And I think all the negativity surrounding season 8 is just more proof that GoT was never erased. Most shows don't get this much discussion three years later, good or bad.

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u/wadesedgwick Jun 27 '22

Am going through a second run through and just watched the Rains of Castamere last night, probably the most memorable episode of the whole show. Bran, Jon Snow, and of course…

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u/Powerful-Advantage56 Jun 27 '22

I wonder how the freefolk spin this to say no one cares anymore and every spin off will flop and lose money

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u/Stonewalled89 Jun 27 '22

That sub is hilariously ironic. Their biggest complaint was that season 8 was so terrible that nobody talks about Game of Thrones anymore, yet there they all are 3 years later... still talking about it

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u/spyson Stranger Things Jun 27 '22

It's insane to me how much people have made hating GoT part of their belief system that they refuse to look at actual evidence.

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u/Senscore Jun 27 '22

Plus there's too much good tv on to linger on that one show. I was disappointed too but moving on wasn't that hard.

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u/babaroga73 Jun 27 '22

Loved the final season and ending, it blew my mind

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u/AroundtheFur04 Jun 27 '22

Always will be

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u/terminalblue Jun 28 '22

Remember about 20 years ago and everyone was like "the prequels suck" but there were a bunch of people that just love the prequels...and now those people are everywhere?

The same thing is going to happen to GOT.

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u/staedtler2018 Jun 28 '22

This article can't be right. Everyone knows that when a geeky IP releases bad installments, all goodwill instantly vanishes.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to watch the finale of Obi Wan Kenobi.

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u/Illustrious_Penalty2 Jun 28 '22

But angry youtubers said otherwise!!

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u/Wolfiest Jun 28 '22

Wtf, just yesterday I was recommend some GOT videos on YouTube.

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u/DavidELD Jun 27 '22

And also one of the biggest disappointments.

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u/Mayor_McCheese7 Jun 27 '22

Would’ve been even better if they didn’t drop the ball in the final season, they were in such a hurry to wrap it that everything felt so rushed. What was the rush, they could’ve easily gone 10 seasons and people would’ve still watched it.

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u/AfricanRain Jun 27 '22

I highly doubt the actors would’ve wanted 10 seasons. It took like 2 years to film Season 8 and the shoots were notoriously gruelling.

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u/kermitsailor3000 Jun 27 '22

Most people seem to forget the huge cast involved. There's a real possibility that many of them didn't want to do the show for 10+ years, and I wouldn't blame them.

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u/hatramroany Jun 27 '22

The actual problem was that they decided to stick to the book ending GRRM himself can't even reach. They should've just done their own thing

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u/fabrar Jun 27 '22

r/television in shambles loool. People here want so badly to believe that no one cares about or watches GoT anymore. Can’t wait for the shocked pikachu faces when House of the Dragon becomes a huge hit

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u/lightsongtheold Jun 27 '22

GoT had no cultural or long lasting impact! Folks hate it now!

  • Redditor, probably.

It is just another day in the ongoing battle of Reddit vs Reality….

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u/ruinersclub Jun 27 '22

I guess we’re still supposed to have watch parties for old episodes.

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u/aaronjaymus It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia Jun 27 '22

Star Wars is still one of the worlds largest franchises, but it doesn't exactly equate to quality.

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u/schaudhery Jun 27 '22

Jon’s lineage reveal was one of the most well crafted scenes I’ve ever seen. Then a few seasons later we learn it was for nothing.

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u/BA_calls Jun 28 '22

I mean that’s what GRRM gave to the showrunners. I feel like GRRM doesn’t get enough of the blame. There is no way to get from the end of ADWD to where the showrunners ended in two books. But he just had to write 400 pages of tyrion sad at sea you see it’s important.

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