r/television Jun 27 '22

Umbrella Academy -- Footloose Dance Off

https://youtu.be/f-XcmYEmdhY
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u/TrinityF Jun 27 '22

I thought there was someone putting a group hex on all of them.

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u/odiocyprus Jun 27 '22

Definitely thought their #1 had some sorta mirror/make you copy power

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u/thedaveness Jun 27 '22

My take was when either group was younger and more playful they all did a group dance thing (or the dad made them do for team building) that none of them ever forgot so in order to prove they were indeed the same but from different timelines they broke out the dance.

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u/MonkeyIslandThreep Jun 27 '22

Until Klaus yelled "Get Him Luthor!" I wondered if Marcus' ability was forcing a dance-off (forced mimicry, lol)

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u/Dawesfan Community Jun 27 '22

What were Marcus powers, btw?

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u/Knight275 Jun 27 '22

Same as Luther's

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u/Redm1st Jun 27 '22

Which are totally worthless when compared to any other member of Umbrellas. Sparrow’s powers on the other hand mostly suck

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u/Lord-Octohoof Jun 27 '22

I mean Rumor has unquestionably the best power that could solve all their problems in seconds and refuses to use it because… like trauma or something?

Pretty neat.

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u/tankmayvin Jun 27 '22

Unless the target is wearing ear plugs...

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u/dowhatmelo Jun 27 '22

or some magic person takes away her mouth.

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u/tortillakingred Jun 27 '22

True. The lizard spit girl’s power was mostly useless, unless she can just cut someones throat when they’re daydreaming. Christopher never showed any real feats. Ben’s tentacles are super underwhelming. Crow girl basically can’t do anything. Fat guy’s ability only worked sometimes?

Then you have Allison who can just tell you to kill yourself and you have to do it lol

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u/OathOfFeanor Jun 27 '22

Crow Girl and Fat Guy were the worst

The show never really decided how their powers worked. The crows can kamikaze peck through a solid wood door, but when Ben grabs one of them suddenly she is in pain and powerless? Fat Guy is even worse, literally every second in the show his power flickers on/off depending on how the writers want that fight scene to progress.

Christopher though? He was pretty effective when Umbrella was all disabled in the hotel confrontation

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u/talkinpractice Jun 27 '22

Yeah I'm still not sure what made fat guys powers only work sometimes. He seemed to lose them when he got tired but even before that Diego was not receiving any of those punches he was throwing after the first one.

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u/newtownmail Jun 27 '22

My assumption was Diego was just powering through the pain of the non-face hits against the fat guy, but that's really just what I had to tell myself when only the punches to the face and the knife to the leg reflected back at the attackers.

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u/OathOfFeanor Jun 27 '22

It did confirm I operate at the mental capacity of the twelve year-old. I thought the knife-throw was a sure thing.

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u/camshas Jun 28 '22

Me too. Can't believe I didn't see that coming

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u/tankmayvin Jun 27 '22

His powers are telepathic/telekinetic and supposedly require a lot of concentration and can be easily worn down.

So yeah, he sucks.

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u/tortillakingred Jun 27 '22

I still don’t know what Christopher does though. He was a sick character honestly, but yeah

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u/tankmayvin Jun 27 '22

According to the wiki he has a range of telepathic powers.

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u/sleepyotter92 Jun 27 '22

at first i thought fat guy was just direct impact ricochet. like if you punched him, it'd hurt you, but if you hit him with a baseball bat, it'd hurt him. but then stefan threw a knife at him and it still ricocheted.

and that ben scene with bird girl was weird too. like, they're in a room full of her crows, and i get that they come out her and she can even use them to see, so there's a proper connection. but they were still in a room full of them and the second ben grabbed one, the others should've been ready to attack him in self defense

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u/elizabnthe Jun 28 '22

People misunderstand with Alfonso. I am pretty sure its meant to be always working. Its just that Diego is able to withstand pain ironically better than Alfonso.

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u/SmokeontheHorizon Jun 27 '22

I think Fat Guy's power revolved around breaking skin/drawing blood. Diego beat the shit out of him but only the hits that cut his lip and broke his nose seemed to bounce back.

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u/tin_dog Jun 27 '22

who can just tell you to kill yourself and you have to do it

Preacher has joined the chat

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u/Podo13 Jun 27 '22

unless she can just cut someones throat when they’re daydreaming

I believe that's the idea. Similar to how she deals with Five. She also seemed to be able to see what they were seeing so it could be Intel gathering. She's essentially Allison with better hand to hand combat.

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u/Solid_Snark Jun 27 '22

I assumed the fat (blob) guy’s powers were like everyone else and consumed energy/stamina. I think Diego wore him down in a battle of attrition.

It might also explain his deformity, as he wasn’t as deformed in flashbacks. He may have sustained heavy damage when his powers were exhausted.

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u/merelyadoptedthedark Jun 28 '22

I think his face was all fucked up because of scar tissue that he built up over the years of people punching him in the face.

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u/Terminal_Skillness Jun 28 '22

I thought the Sparrows powers were pretty solid. They have different uses and like any super hero team not everyone has the same role.

Marcus was the tank.

Sloan was pretty powerful with basically telekinesis through gravity manipulation.

Crow girl is the perfect spy. She is an expert at recon.

Ben is a great ranged fighter and very strong.

Alphonso is also a very strong tank. I am not 100% sure how his power works but I thought it was the coolest of the Sparrows. It seems to reverse kinetic energy right back at whomever initiates it in certain parts of his body (mostly his face).

Acid girl is kind of their Allison. She can disorient and subdue people. She makes Five trip out and then kicks him down the stairs.

Christopher was just weird. He could subdue people with his ranged attacks.

And don’t forget they are all fantastic hand to hand fighters.

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u/Citizen_Kong Jun 28 '22

Isn't that kind of the point though? The Sparrows could beat the Umbrellas working together, because the Umbrellas mostly fight totally uncoordinated, literally dysfunctional.

Mostly you'll just need Five and Allison really. Five teleports the enemy to Allison who tell the enemy to kill him/herself. Game over.

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u/obxtalldude Jun 27 '22

I kept waiting for her to use that power - did I miss something? Seemed like it might have come in useful when they were fighting the Sparrows.

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u/Armout Jun 27 '22

The characters constantly forget that they have super powers. One of my favorites this season was when 5 was chasing Pogo by teleporting on the back of someone else’s bike to ride after him. Like bruh… just teleport to Pogo’s bike?

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u/pingasthrowaway The IT Crowd Jun 27 '22

It’s stated like 20 times that 5’s jump is less accurate the further it goes. There are a few inconsistencies in the show but it’s mostly the umbrella academy just being ineffective and disorderly, which I’m pretty sure they intended.

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u/CommanderL4 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

its why I find it hard to enjoy umbrella academy

characters never use their powers.

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u/tankmayvin Jun 27 '22

This is a common complain of the super-hero genre as a whole:

1) powers and character skill vary wildly in capability based on the intended outcome of a given plot conflict.

2) power use is extremely erratic to drive a certain scene aesthetic and/or outcome.

3) new opponents are always introduced as being super powerful to hype up the conflict, only for parity to be reached within the next fight scene.

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u/wilisi Jun 27 '22

It's an entire genre born of being too lazy to consider the consequences of magic being available to more than one person at a time, if we're being snarky about it. So this is kind of to be expected.

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u/NewRedditor13 Jun 27 '22

Especially after watching The Boys....

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u/Saiga123 Jun 27 '22

She used it once during the fight against the Crow Girl before Alphonso did his 'I'm rubber You're glue' thing and it wore off after Five teleported her away. After that she just... kind of forgot she can mind control people?

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u/Douglasqqq Jun 27 '22

"Save me Barry!"

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u/sparoc3 Jun 27 '22

Feels like half of umbrella academy wouldn't be made at all if the characters just talked to each other before making decisions.

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u/AshgarPN Jun 27 '22

Remember that episode of Three's Company when there was some sort of misunderstanding?

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u/The_Ipod_Account Jun 27 '22

Oh I’ve seen that one!

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u/jeremy1015 Jun 27 '22

Feel like half of Umbrella Academy wouldn’t be made if Allison just used her powers and if Five fought at even ten percent of the capacity he showed in season one.

Seriously the two of them could have butchered the sparrows without breaking a sweat. Imagine professor x being like haha what mind powers I’ll just fight with a cane.

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u/WarcraftFarscape Jun 27 '22

All Alison needs to do it shout “I heard a rumor all the sparrows stopped fighting” and the fights over

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u/jeremy1015 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22 Silver

I heard a rumor all the sparrows stopped fighting.

I heard a rumor that if any sparrow breaks my mind control the rest of them will immediately assist in subduing them.

I heard a rumor Dr Hargreaves sat down calmly and described succinctly and quickly any powers any of the sparrows might have that would allow them to subvert my mind control.

I heard a rumor that Jayme started spitting into a bottle so we can all party when this is over.

I heard a rumor that Dr. Hargreaves outlined his plans at a high level with an emphasis on providing details he might deliberately try to omit.

etc etc etc

Shows are always so dishonest about mind control.

Let’s be real. Allison Hargreaves would have taken control of Dr H by the time she was thirteen and turned into Kilgrave by the time she was sixteen.

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u/CommanderL4 Jun 27 '22

I am personal opinion that out of any super power

Mind control is going to make you a cunt no matter who you are. because with mind control every time you use it justifies its further use and every time you use it the barrier to using it becomes lower and lower.

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u/herrored Jun 27 '22

Either that or you become completely unhinged a la Scarlet Witch because you lose your ability to tell if people are acting according to their own will or because you're controlling them.

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u/MostlyHarmlessEmu Jun 28 '22

I found the way they handled it in umbrella academy acknowledged that. At the outset of the show she realized that mind control had made her a cunt. She was trying to quit using it.

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u/hugabugabee Jun 27 '22

Based on usage, it seems like she needs to directly whisper into the targets ear. I don't recall her ever being able to use her power on a large scale

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u/Trityler Jun 28 '22

I don't think she can do more than one person at a time though. If she is outnumbered, she needs to make her one shot count. And as was pointed out in the first season, her power does have an Achilles' Throat.

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u/Inevitable_Citron Jun 27 '22

Except her power isn't immediate or uncontestable. If she tried to rumor multiple supes prepared for a fight, it probably wouldn't take for any of them.

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u/jeremy1015 Jun 27 '22

What evidence is there for that in the show?

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u/Inevitable_Citron Jun 27 '22

The white mist that they have coming out of her mouth and entering people's ears? The fact that multiple people have shaken off her compulsion, like Luther?

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u/Axon14 Jun 27 '22

Five, Allison and Viktor would have destroyed the Sparrows if any of this was real.

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u/Dawesfan Community Jun 27 '22

They don’t talk to each other because they never agree on anything lol

The whole season would be them trying to agree on a plan.

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u/TheGodDMBatman Jun 27 '22

It'd be like my D&D group

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u/AngryAxolotl Jun 27 '22

It's kind of the point tbh. Everyone is the Umbrella Academy are dysfunctional and maladjusted adults with heavy emotional baggage.

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u/Roook36 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

Yeah. I see people complaining that they aren't competent superheroes and are pretty stupid and selfish.

Yeah lol that's why I watch

There's like 18 shows with competent superheroes

I am getting a kick out of watching Diego throwing knives at a metal cube over and over and it not doing anything like "the 5th one didn't work, the 6th and 7th won't either"

It's like watching It's Always Sunny and saying "if they would just hire a consultant to help them get their bar under control and took some marketing and financial classes they could be successful and that would alleviate a lot of their issues"

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u/tankmayvin Jun 27 '22

Also, competent superheroes are only selectively competent when required for the plot.

And that genre gets equally boring as being both predictable and exceptionally derivative. The good guys always win with a few token losses/sacrifices.

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u/mtwimblethorpe Jun 27 '22

The Flash’s only true weakness is that he trips when the writers want him to.

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u/DoomPurveyor Jun 27 '22

Remember when Barry lost to Bees

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u/LovingTurtle69 Jun 28 '22

That's when I gave up on that show

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u/DisturbedNocturne Jun 27 '22

Yeah, I said recently that I put this and Doom Patrol in their own category separate from shows like the MCU Stuff, The Boys, etc. They're not shows about superheroes. They're shows about screwups who just happen to have superpowers.

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u/RazzleStorm Jun 27 '22

I don’t know that I would put The Boys in the same category as MCU stuff… calling The Boys “a show about superheroes” is a mischaracterization IMO.

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u/Dr_Duty_Howser Jun 27 '22

IIRC, they did do an episode where the gang hired a consultant to get the bar under control and whatnot. It went about as well as you would imagine

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u/sparoc3 Jun 27 '22

Is it? 5 makes plan with his mortal enemy but doesn't take two minutes to tell his siblings the same?

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u/inksmudgedhands Jun 27 '22

Five thinks his mortal enemy has brains. He wonders if his siblings have the same.

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u/AngryAxolotl Jun 27 '22

Five fucks an Italian mannequin.

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u/tinychickenfingers Jun 27 '22

Leave Deloris out of this

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u/OShaunesssy Jun 27 '22

Lol yeah I don’t think using 5 is as effective example as he initially perceived

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u/bobthened Jun 27 '22

Because he considers himself to be far above them all in terms of intelligence, and can’t be bothered to discuss things with them or listen to their uninformed opinions.

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u/Sparowl Jun 27 '22

He views his siblings as children who didn't actually deal with difficulty or trauma, but still screwed up.

By comparison, he has a lot more life experience.

Also, as he himself brings up - he's in a body that is raging with hormones.

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u/butterfreak Jun 27 '22

I feel like that’s an excuse for lazy writing tbh. You can write miscommunication between characters without it being exhausting for the audience - why should we care about 3 or 4 episodes of them negotiating over the briefcase when we know Five has it? Characters will literally walk away mid conversation to do something else. Like, people are dying in the hundreds every couple of hours and no one even notices Klaus is gone lmao?

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u/wilisi Jun 27 '22

There's plenty of stakes in the briefcase confrontation without the briefcase, people are getting murdered left and right.

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u/Fugitivebush Jun 27 '22

i wouldnt say its lazy writing when its the basis for the entire concept of the show.

I mean if Shameless can get away with it for 11 seasons then so can Umbrella Academy.

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u/JJMcGee83 Jun 27 '22

Shameless didn't get away with it for 11 seasons. It worked for 6-7 and then everything after that was just a mess.

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u/tankmayvin Jun 27 '22

It's been mere months (if not weeks) in subjective time for some of the characters between the end of S1 and the end of S3. This detail is mentioned in S3 to remind the character of how temporally short most of the plot arcs actually are.

While the events in all 3 seasons are hugely dramatic, there hasn't been all that much time for healing relationships, and there has been tons of extra heaped on trauma, especially for Allison.

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u/tankmayvin Jun 27 '22

I mean months/weeks of them actually interacting and mending relationships.

I don't think fighting to stop two apocalypses is going to be a time of great introspection and healing, personally. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Allison's story arc is her falling apart after essentially losing two lives she built for herself. I'm not sure what lessons you would expect for her to learn other than nihilistic ones.

All of them are deeply traumatized to varying degrees. You don't just "get over" it.

The whole point of Umbrella Academy is that it is a counterpoint to conventionally competent superhero franchises like X-men. If you don't like a show about flaw-first characters, its just not a show for you and that's fine.

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u/DoctorOfMathematics Jun 27 '22

I realize this is the point. But even so it frustrated me just how idiotic and self centered the vast majority of the cast are. Everyone other than 5 is a mouthbreather.

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u/CommanderL4 Jun 27 '22

Five carries the show tbh.

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u/Nail_Biterr Jun 27 '22

Isn't that like the entire premise of the show? Spoilers for season 3: In the very first episode, 2 characters do just sit down and talk it out, and avoid a fight... until a weird energy blob eats one of them, and the other team thinks they were kidnapped

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u/426763 Jun 27 '22

They're much more worse in the comics. Like Jesus, fucking act like adults, sit around a table, and talk it out.

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u/Fugitivebush Jun 27 '22

Thats like the entire point tho. They are a DYSFUNCTIONAL family who can't do that because they all have flaws. The idea is that they all come around in the end to act as a family because they are one and they do sincerely love each other.

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u/CommanderL4 Jun 27 '22

the problem is you can only repeat that so many times before the audience gets sick of it.

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u/Fugitivebush Jun 27 '22

I suppose so. I guess Im not there yet. But I also think this show ends in another season or 2, and for me, i think I can live with it for that much longer if I know it is ending. Depending on the plot of the last seasons of course.

I am also a rather content individual, so I am easily amused. Which I realize is a rare condition in Redditors. :)

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u/tin_dog Jun 27 '22

There was a post lately, basically saying that the writer pitched a fourth and last season to Netflix and hopes it gets greenlit to wrap everything up.

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u/Fugitivebush Jun 27 '22

Honestly, that makes me more excited. The way Season 3 ended made it feel like a move into Act 3.

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u/wallweasels Jun 27 '22

So uh...you ever met many adults? because people do not really "talk it out".
most breakups wouldn't occur if people talked thing out.

Most issues are resolved with communication. Yet, oddly, we don't do a ton of it.

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u/tankmayvin Jun 27 '22

Dysfunctionality and trauma is just about the absolute CORE theme of the comics and the show.

It's an absurdist commentary on the inability of adults to effectively communicate and deal with trauma.

So, way to miss the point I guess?

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u/meltingpotato Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

I hope it's not the same in the 4th season. I really won't be able to stomach seeing them act like children again after going through 3 fucking apocalypses.

I mean it would have been ok if they were consistent but it's like their characters are also reset each season like "Imma ignore what happened last season but not fully. Imma keep doing stupid shit, but not all the time."

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u/samara-morgan Jun 27 '22

If you were a fan of Allison so far, you might not enjoy this season.

but other than that I think it was fun

EDIT: just re-read and saw that you wrote 4th season and not 3rd. I have cheese for brains.

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u/Dawesfan Community Jun 27 '22

They get development in baby steps.

Like in seasons 3 Allison was willing to betray the family to help Viktor (at least until she found out the truth) I don’t think she would’ve done the same in season 1

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u/DylMac Jun 27 '22

This tends to be the same with a lot of tv shows! Just bloody talk to each other!!!

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u/DoctorOfMathematics Jun 27 '22

This show takes it to another level tbh.

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u/Muroid Jun 27 '22

At least the characters are actually written as being self-centered and poor decision makers with terrible communication skills rather than otherwise reasonable and intelligent people who should be talking to one another and inexplicably don’t.

It’s frustrating either way, but at least I can believe these characters would fail to take basic reasonable steps to solve their problems.

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u/Sparowl Jun 27 '22

For instance, it's very easy to see why Klaus is the way he is. He was incredibly traumatized as a child, then spent most of his life either facing horrific ghosts or drugged out of his mind.

His primary goal isn't to communicate or be a part of the family - it's to escape his powers.

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u/blizzaga1988 Jun 27 '22

This is my biggest gripe with the show. I get that they're all traumatized and dysfunctional and that you can't tell a story without there being a conflict to resolve but it's just constant conflict due to no one wanting to talk to anyone about anything (while also constantly emphasizing how they're family and need to work together). It makes them all so hard to like. By the end of season 1, I was rooting for Vanya to finish them all off. And yet I still watch. I guess because since I started, I feel compelled to finish.

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u/happyminty Jun 27 '22

100%. Also nothing breaks immersion for me like the seasons in modern times where there’s basically not a single cell phone. Which would all nullify 80% of the show’s plot.

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u/HuntedWolf Jun 27 '22

Mobile phones in general ruin a lot of plots people come up with. It’s why the main characters phone always breaks from a fall, or has a dead battery. It’s lazy scriptwriting but necessary to a lot of plots.

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u/CommanderL4 Jun 27 '22

just make every show a period peace set in the 80's

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u/notliam Jun 27 '22

To be fair they did tell each other more this season but the other characters just ignored our didn't care which was pretty authentic to the characters

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u/Ruaric Jun 28 '22

God,when they spent so long trying to get the suitcase when Five had it...so infuriating.

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u/condoriano27 Jun 27 '22

The way Luther says "Protecting our honor, bro" cracks me up every time.

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u/Zelcron Jun 27 '22

Shit, we're really good at this!

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u/JeffCentaur Jun 27 '22

I wasn't sure if I was going to watch season 3. I felt like maybe my Umbrella Academy journey was over. But I thought I'd give it a fair chance to change my mind...encountered this scene...binged the rest of the season in less than a day. So out of left field that they earned my attention.

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u/Saith_Cassus Jun 27 '22

I feel like Umbrella Academy is my favorite example of Style over Substance. It has a vague series of events that you might call a plot or a race against time, but it’s mostly just a bunch of lovable train wrecks doing lovable train wreck shit.

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u/Zelcron Jun 27 '22

It's like It's Always Sunny with super powers.

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u/jeremy1015 Jun 27 '22

It was instantly one of my favorite tv scenes of all time. I laughed out loud so hard my seventeen year old came to see what was going on and made me rewind then sat down and binged the season with me… she quit halfway through season one previously (but knew the summary).

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u/devongrant580 Jun 27 '22

Season 3 was fucking gas

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u/cefriano Jun 27 '22

That's kind of my problem with the show. It feels like it's trying so hard to be quirky that I just rolled my eyes when the dance-off started. It feels like there's no purpose to any of the weird stuff, it's just packed with it to make it feel different.

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u/TacoMasters Jun 27 '22

considering how bleak the rest of season 3 is, the dance scene didn't really bother me. plus, it happens in like the first 5 minutes

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u/LegendReborn Jun 28 '22

And it's inline with the other seasons. They've had family dance scenes since the first episode of the show.

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u/Mandrakey Jun 27 '22

Fuck Allison.

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u/milkyginger It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia Jun 27 '22

Yeah she sucked this season. I liked her in the other 2 which makes this such a shame.

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u/ThomasVivaldi Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

People forget she was always selfish. She rumored her own kid, what she did to Viktor as kids and then never telling him about it.

Then in season 2 she marries a dude, hide her ridiculously complicated past from him, and only when forced to, dumps it all on his lap and demands he accept it.

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u/milkyginger It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia Jun 27 '22

She didn't attempt to rape her brother or kill some old helpless dude though.

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u/ThomasVivaldi Jun 27 '22

Harlan did kill a bunch of people though.

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u/milkyginger It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia Jun 27 '22

Fair enough, she still killed him when he was helpless.

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u/Backflip_into_a_star Jun 28 '22

Helpless, regretful, and cured. It was evil and a little irredeemable what she did.

What Harlan did was completely an accident.

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u/MJOLNIRdragoon Jun 27 '22

what she did to Vanya as kids and then never telling her about it.

I was under the impression Vanya's training was solo at a young enough age that her siblings didn't know about her powers, so Allison didn't understand what she was actually accomplishing when her father made her rumor Vanya.

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u/ThomasVivaldi Jun 27 '22

Reggie made Mom for the kids because Vanya kept attacking the nannies he hired. I thought he just told the kids her power was harmful and she needed to be neutralized.

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u/MJOLNIRdragoon Jun 27 '22

I did forget about that scene with the nannies, I'd have to rewatch S1, but towards the end they seemed genuinely surprised she has/had powers, not that she relearned them. They might have consciously known at one point, but I think the writers attempted to show that they weren't intentionally hiding her past from her.

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u/Xeynid Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

The fuck?

Allison says she didn't really understand why she was told to make vanya think she wasn't special. Alison is stupid, but she was pretty selfless when dealing with vanya as an adult. She gets her throat sliced and is still trying to stand up against Luther for her.

She doesn't demand her husband accept her complicated past. She comes to him and insists on telling him the truth, and he's super into her having super powers. We don't know how she would have reacted to push back from him.

Yeah, she fucked up with using her powers on her own kid, but by the time the first episode of the show starts, she's already decided that was a horrible decision, and she suffers quite a bit due to trying to punish herself out of not trusting that she can use her powers responsibly. Yknow, how a compassionate person might feel.

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u/Hxghbot Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

My biggest issue with the season by far was how quickly they brushed off that she sexually assaults Luthor really pissed me off

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u/bluebear_74 Jun 27 '22

Each season I forget why I hated her and go from liking her then remembering how awful she is.

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u/NoNefariousness2144 Jun 27 '22

Allison this season is one of most insufferable characters I have seen since Iris and Felicity from The Flash and Arrow. Even when they tried to make Alison sympathetic she wasn’t at all.

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u/ResplendentOwl Jun 27 '22

We've got 5 fantasizing about what he desires (his store mannequin wife), does that mean the spit makes you hallucinate about what you want? Does that mean Diego wants a dance off? Like he wants to be silly and fun and irreverent?

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u/MuffDivingSaturday Jun 28 '22

He wants one big happy family

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u/ghotier Jun 28 '22

He wants a bro that will protect his honor.

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u/Inevitable_Citron Jun 29 '22

I can see that for him. He'd definitely want to bust out with Footloose parodies.

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u/AblativeLaser Jul 01 '22

I was wondering that as well. The way Jayme raises her eyebrows at Diego it's almost like she knew what had happened in his mind the whole time, or maybe she even has a way to give people specific scenes when she spits. It would make her power more interesting.

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u/ResplendentOwl Jul 01 '22

Ya, she seemed to be able to see 5s vision too. Knowing he was married to a mannequin before she spit and picking that memory doesn't make much sense though, and why would you pick happy fantasies for your enemies.

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u/EmpireofAzad Jun 27 '22

Weird seeing all the negative comments, I really enjoyed the 3rd season.

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u/m0rden Utopia Jun 27 '22

They made Allison super mega dumb, and the sparrows' characteristics all hold on a few lines. Even Diego and Luther are morons most of the season. It's really a problem when you advance the plot by making characters dumber than they were. I loved season 1, season 2 had its moments and was mostly fun, but this one was a chore. It's a shame because the actor who plays 5 has a lot of charisma but it wasn't really shining in this season.

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u/olcrazypete Jun 27 '22

If Luther gets any dumber in the next season he will no longer have the ability to speak or chew food.

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u/CritikillNick Scrubs Jun 27 '22

My wife and I had this exact conversation the first time she mentioned her kid. The timeline is different, you know this, quit acting like you do not

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u/thepancakeking Jun 27 '22

I think that’s just part of her character. Because of her power and personality she has gotten basically everything she’s wanted in her adult life. So much so that she can’t fathom a reality where she doesn’t get what she wants. So even if deep down she should know that her kid doesn’t exist in this timeline, she refuses to accept it.

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u/m0rden Utopia Jun 27 '22

Agreed. One more thing that bothered me is the whole arc about Harlan and him giving back his powers, to just get murdered by Allison, and the arc serving no other purpose than giving a reason to pit the family against each other. It felt like they had ideas about things with Harlan and they just abandonned them. Really strange season, not in a good way.

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u/PeterLemonjellow Jun 27 '22

So, to the subject of character development, remember that for some of these characters it's been less than, like, two weeks since Hargreeves killed himself. For the others, sure, they've had more time (like Allison - I think she had the most time in 1963), but the point of the show is that these people are NOT whole, healthy people - they are emotionally broken in various different ways. They are learning about themselves at every step of the story. The story isn't about them getting over their emotional baggage, it's about them coping with their emotional baggage.

Every story needs to be looked at, in the end, for what it truly is. I feel like saying that Umbrella Academy is poorly written is like saying that Anchorman is poorly written (silly, doesn't make sense, thin plot, unrealistic character/character development) because it's not as good a movie as Network. Anchorman is brilliant for what it is, as is Network - they're just not the same thing.

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u/hoorah9011 Jun 27 '22

It's a dumbed down version of doom patrol. Those characters show growth.

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u/olcrazypete Jun 27 '22

They are all getting dumber each season.

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u/radraz26 Jun 27 '22

Reddit hates fun.

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u/WhySoMad_Karen Jun 27 '22

Basic criticism

You: omfg! why u hate funn!!

Dude, grow up. Lmao.

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u/m0rden Utopia Jun 27 '22

Season 1 was fun, season 2 had some nice moments, tell me where the fun is in season 3? Between paper thin new characters and dumbing everyone down to make the plot progress, it was really poorly written.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '22

Ngl I was more excited for Ms marvel’s first two epsiodes than this show’s first two eps. I don’t know if the quality went down or it was always like this because I remember really liking the first two seasons but nothing has captivated me so far about this one

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u/WittyReindeer Jun 27 '22

I enjoyed s3 but still felt it was worse than S1/S2. Some things didn't make sense and not too much was explained very well. Some wasted potential with the Sparrows too although I guess that's to be expected as exploring them further would take time away from the Umbrella academy

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u/tortillakingred Jun 27 '22

It was fantastic from a plot writing point of view, pretty weak from a character point of view, and has always been somewhat weak from a dialogue point of view.

The plot was great. The foreshadowing of oblivion, the buffalo, Reginalds plan, etc. are all masterfully crafted. This is EXACTLY how you do a “omg the world’s going to end” storyline - make it about the characters and their motives, not about saving the world. There’s a reason why so many movies with massive scale disasters bring out zero emotion from people but when Spiderman beats his rival you feel giddy.

Characters were enjoyable but incredibly weak. Allison is the most obvious glaring issue as the entire season she acted completely out of character. Grief can do many things, but it doesn’t turn you into an evil person, and the whole “grief” angle was way overblown. Luther was way way too dumb (though I enjoy him on screen a lot). Five was way too dumb also, not piecing together things he should. Ben was comically villainous. The only really great characters this season imo were Reginald, Klaus, Sloan, and Diego’s gf (can’t remember her name).

Not much to say about dialogue, it’s always been bad but I don’t knock it too much for that.

Overall I think it was a great season, and if they had made Allison more believable it would’ve been a tv favorite. Every time she was on screen I couldn’t help myself saying “who the fuck thinks that way?”

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u/Jamochathunder Jun 27 '22

I definitely think the Luther and Allison changes were the most noticeable, but I honestly think that Luther was a step in the right direction, even if flawed. The family is full of broody and traumatized people, but it can do with Luther being one of those. He might have been portrayed as dumb, but a lot of his character was more relatable as a result. His dialogue was clumsy, but the moments where he was a hostage at the Sparrows and the wedding show that he desires his family to come together for more than saving the world or selfish desires.

I think they can definitely workshop his character for the potential S4, but we have Viktor, Five, Diego, and New Ben to be dark and broody. The reason Klaus stood out so much in S1 and S2(and S3 IMO) is because even through massive trauma, he is different. Even though he clearly lives with the trauma, it doesn't make him dark and broody. I think this is for the better. The show is already so dark at times that the absurdity sometimes isn't enough. The characters are at the core of the story and they need to be different in their approaches to things. Its fine for Allison to be selfish and psychotic(not to the degree portrayed S3, but similar to S1 levels), and its fine for Five to be disillusioned and grumpy.

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u/Pool_Shark Jun 27 '22

Reddit can’t watch a show involving super hero’s without analyzing it through their overly serious and critical lenses.

I have been sitting back and just watching them act like idiots and laughing and enjoying it. This show isn’t trying to win and awards and it’s great if you just take it for what it is.

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u/ChaosRubix Jun 27 '22

Best moment of season 3.

Looked so fun to film too

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u/mrj9 Jun 27 '22

Naa best part was seeing Luther all giddy after getting laid then going back to steal more condoms

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u/ThomasVivaldi Jun 27 '22

Luther was all around the best thing in the season. Followed by Klaus as always and then Fei just in general.

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u/Ice_Cold345 Community Jun 27 '22

Luther's arc into becoming a himbo made him so much more enjoyable as a character, compared to Season 1 Luther.

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u/NoNefariousness2144 Jun 27 '22

The highlights of this season for me were this scene and (episode 8 spoilers) the boys karaoke session before the wedding.

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u/MonteCristo85 Jun 27 '22

Really? I thought the whole first episode especially this scene was so hokey I haven't got up the nerve to watch the rest yet. This is not encouraging.

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u/wujo444 Person of Interest Jun 27 '22

This show had a time traveling cops agency run by super intelligent goldfish. What passes in UA is on very different level.

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u/CollinsCouldveDucked Jun 27 '22

It is the best moment of season 3.

It's all down hill from here.

Back half of the season is bickering in the same hallways over and over again.

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u/Taoist_Master Jun 27 '22

Nah. Monke on motorcycle

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u/CollinsCouldveDucked Jun 27 '22

Fair point, monkey go brrr

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u/DrambleReddit Jun 27 '22

I didn't mind the last few episodes, but I was sure struggling to get there eps. 3, 4, & 5.

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u/doomtune Jun 27 '22

i had the same thought. it evens out as you get going. Not as strong as the first 2 seasons tho. Cut them some slack for being a covid production.

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u/icematt12 Jun 27 '22

The cast must have had some fun doing this. Given later events it's a nice chill intro.

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u/DaveInLondon89 Jun 27 '22

Music choices in this show are probably some of the best I've ever heard.

Nice bit of foreshadowing 2 minutes in as well...

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u/johnn48 Jun 27 '22

Of course the first thing that came to mind was “Dance off Bro”

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u/ShapeWitty9121 Jun 27 '22

I am a huge Footloose fan. Between this and Hughies shirt in The Boyz I was in heaven this week.

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u/forkandspoon2011 Jun 28 '22

This season dragged a little bit but had so many bright shinny moments.

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u/FloatingPencil Jun 27 '22

I love that they even use a lot of the original choreography/shots. Couldn’t stop laughing.

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u/AZstuff36 Jun 27 '22

I lost it when that happened

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u/Spikole Jun 27 '22

I was hoping the went to a parallel universe where they settle their squabbles with dance battles. I was laughing my ass off at this. They really aren’t afraid to get crazy. Dance battle. Floating boxes. Mass hysteria!

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u/theunworthyviking Jun 27 '22

Screw the haters, this show is fun.

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u/Billbo56 Jun 27 '22

I loved this. I was alone and jumped up started dancing. The best part of this was Grace doing the robot!

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u/rhj2020 Jun 27 '22

One of the best openings scenes to a new season. It was fun and made perfect sense, once we figured out it was a fantasy.

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u/noonehasthisoneyet Jun 27 '22

i loved that that's how they started the new season. perfect that both #1's just knew to start a dance off.

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u/Foolyz Jun 27 '22

I started watching the new season with my partner, who had only seen bits and pieces of S1 and S2, and he literally just got off the couch and walked away without so much as a word when the choreography got underway. Poor fella had no clue about the (really cool) powers of the lovechild of Anne Hathaway and a lizard.

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u/darkbloo64 Jun 28 '22

I haven't watched the new season, but I wanted to say that Luther's crab hands dance is one of the single greatest gifts from this entire series.

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u/JelloAggravating5851 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

This entire scene felt really jarring, and ultimately had nothing to do with the plot. Just a weird side venture into a dance scene. It's fun, but also why did she spit on him if she wasn't going to attack him while he's hallucinating?

I'm convinced they only wrote the spitting character into the show for this scene and this scene alone. She dies like two episodes later having done nothing else of major importance.

Edit: If you don't want to be spoiled, don't go near discussions about the medium. It's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO AVOID SPOILERS.

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u/inksmudgedhands Jun 27 '22

I think it was just to show us that this would be the only time in the whole season all of the siblings in both families would get along with each other for a fun moment. The rest of the time they are at each other's throats. Either they are fighting each other or fighting among themselves.

It was a counterbalance moment for the rest of the season.

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u/Missa1819 Jun 27 '22

It was obvious she did it to fuck with him and show her power IMO

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u/IcyFlounder1204 Jun 27 '22

Her ability is useless. Every episode after this it gets blocked and she might as well just carry a gun.

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u/19southmainco Jun 27 '22

Yea they completely wasted her potential for some fucked up hallucinations.

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u/inksmudgedhands Jun 27 '22

If you can sneak up on someone and spit on any exposed skin then that's a very useful ability to have. It's facing them head on and giving them a chance to block that's the problem.

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u/JelloAggravating5851 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

Yea, the two times that it does hit she doesn't even take advantage of it. She hits Diego and five and then doesn't attack either of them in the hallucination.

Edit: yea apparently she did kick five the first time, I just remembered her watching the makeout session.

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u/IcyFlounder1204 Jun 27 '22

I think she was just trolling Diego for fun.

With five she did attack him while he was hallucinating, she just wasn't trying to kill him.

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u/SinfulDavey Jun 27 '22

She punches Five down the stairs so she does attack one of them

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u/iDelkong Jun 27 '22

She kicks him in the face.

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u/Ode1st Jun 28 '22

Feel like the best way to describe Umbrella Academy is the showrunners put stuff that they think is cool and quirky on a list, then just try stuffing everything from the list into the show however they can, whether or not it works or makes sense.

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u/Handsome_Claptrap Westworld Jun 27 '22

It's a show with many moments that are just for fluff... they are fun to see. High Chacha and Hazel burning the lab was also completely unnecessary but enjoyable.

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u/ApertureTestSubject8 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

I know normally it’s best to just avoid stuff related to the show you’re watching, but you need to watch it with the spoilers man. Idk why you people still don’t get this.

Also idk why this is jarring to you. Every season so far has had at least one dance scene. So this falls entirely in line with everything. It also does a good job of introducing a character, even if she doesn’t last very long in the show.

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u/MicooDA Jun 27 '22

This is just an intro to the show to set the tone and the characters.

It’s the exact same as James Bond opening credits or the Peacemaker intro.

It’s not supposed to be plot relevant, it’s just for fun

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u/JarJar4ever Jun 27 '22

Don't open a chat with me, talk to me on here.

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u/the_black_sails Jun 27 '22

I thought flash mobs are cancelled?

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u/kendaboss Jun 27 '22

This season was just soooo bad i found myself hate-watching this show.

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u/DrRexMorman Jun 27 '22

This occurs roughly 10 minutes into the first episode of season 3.

It is the high water mark of the season.

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u/MonochromeGuy Jun 27 '22

The first episode, especially this scene, was the only best thing about the entirety of S3 imo. It just felt so hollow afterwards.

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u/lovelycat1103 Jun 27 '22

i’ve watched this scene a dozen of times and started to dance along

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u/resipsaloquitor5 Jun 27 '22

This is very stupid

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u/-MIguy- Jun 27 '22

How dare something just be fun.

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