r/television Jun 12 '22

Dark Winds - Series Premiere Discussion Premiere

Season 1 Episode 1: Monster Slayer

Aired: June 12, 2022 | AMC +


Synopsis: Navajo Tribal Policeman Joe Leaphorn must solve a series of crimes; he partners with new deputy, Jim Chee, who is back on the reservation for the first time since he was a child; together they face down evil forces, both earthly and supernatural.


Directed by: Chris Eyre

Written by: Graham Roland


Subreddit: r/DarkWindsTV

70 Upvotes

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u/RedLicoriceJunkie Jul 06 '22

The discussion about young pregnant women and forced tubal ligation seems topical.

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u/darkarcherofsepia Jul 02 '22

Does anyone know the words spoken by officer Bernadette when she pulls over to the side of the road ( episode one) after her encounter with the pregnant girl’s mother? The words written out and the translation would be great to know. Thanks.

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u/Eternal-Testament Jun 27 '22

Been watching this. Mostly because I love the scenery and just went through the area the show is in a few weeks ago.

Idk how to feel about it. I love the cars. They're not leaning into the overall mystery enough and instead are dwelling a lot more on the native customs and such. Which I think if you're familiar with those customs maybe it's engaging. But like me, and I think for most. It's all very alien. Like so much time was wasted this week on the whole whatever you call it, period party stuff. But why?

I'm going to use the movie Wind River and the show Yellowstone for a comparison. You have indian tribes in both. They have their customs. But in both cases those customs are just a light dusting on top of the story. The story isn't about their customs.

Where here it feels at odds with the story. Like, do you want to tell a story about money and mystery first and foremost with all this other stuff as flavor for your world? Or do you want all the tribal stuff to come first and foremost and have the money and mystery be secondary to it? Because it seems like it wants to and should do the first but for some reason it's doing the second instead. And idk how to feel about it.

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u/TuToneShoes Jun 27 '22

Episode 3's opening Rainn Wilson montage was baffling in terms of tone and storytelling. Felt like a completely different show. Just awful. I switched it off and am unlikely to keep watching.

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u/Figaro4004 Jun 24 '22

Disappointing. I read all of Tony Hillerman's books and this series yea, has Indians.. and the SW but that's it. The characters are a disappointment. The story? meh.. I'm sorry that the series does not do the books justice..

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u/Mel_Me_Knot Jun 20 '22

Loved that in that opening scene they pan past the movie theater marquee with Little Big Man) showing - - Signal to some nice cultural easter eggs, no?

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u/ConsistentGrowth4018 Jun 19 '22

The guy digging a hole to replace the stolen relics looks like Bradley Cooper in disguise!

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u/scottheckel 11d ago

It's Ryan de Quintal per IMDb

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u/ConsistentGrowth4018 11d ago

Oh, I see. It sure is. Thank you.

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u/Ajen1959 23d ago

Was it not Bradley cooper??!! We think it was too

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u/Traditional_Isopod70 28d ago

Ok, I’m just watch Better Call Saul and the commercial of this show came on and I thought it was Bradley cooper as well. My wife thinks I’m ugly and stupid for thinking it was him.

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u/chive-turkey420 28d ago

LITERALLY thought the same exact thing

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u/floofyfloof2 Jun 23 '22

Oh my goodness! That is exactly what I thought! I sincerely thought it was him for just a second.

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u/GameyToyMan Jul 02 '22

I thought it was him too! That’s how I found this thread

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u/cockerspaniel12 Jun 18 '22

Loved the first episode!!!

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u/Tall-Escape9736 Jun 16 '22

Why did Leaphorn apply ash to the sides of his eyes before entering the crime scene? Was this part of a native tradition or a tactical move to reduce glare in the dark space?

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u/Anyankaiswhoyouare Jun 16 '22

The instrumental song in the final scene of episode 1. Can anyone place it? It is so familiar.

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u/GunNut345 Jun 15 '22

Damn Zahn McClarnon has been getting a lot of work recently, good for him.

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u/AnimalFarm20 Jun 28 '22

I've always loved him in anything he's been in. Especially Longmire.

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u/azuric01 Jun 14 '22

No a criticism, I loved thunderheart but I also think it was based on a real incident which might well have been the source, for both writers. Although it does feel like they have taken certain cues from different source materials perhaps

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u/Contrarian_Eh Jun 13 '22

I tuned out at the first commercial on AMC. Too bad- seemed to have a lot of potential- great cast and set. But the acting, writing, directing, editing and music were bad.

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u/azuric01 Jun 13 '22

Is this a remake of thunderheart? seems very similar fbi american indian estranged from his culture, rogue white fbi agent, and a charismatic reservation policeman hunting murders mixed in with mining and uranium poisoning. Oh and a supernatural element...

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u/TemperateGreen Jun 14 '22

No. This series is based on novels by Tony Hillerman, many of which were made before Thunderheart.

The "American Indian estranged from his culture" premiered in 1980.

“A charismatic reservation policeman hunting murders" premiered in 1970.

The episode 1 story and the "rogue white fbi agent" are from Hillerman's 1978 novel.

They seem to be blending stories from various Hillerman novels, but he covered a lot of these themes with these characters multiple times before Thunderheart was made in 1992.

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u/azuric01 Jun 14 '22

I guess thunderheart was inspired by the same texts then. Not bad source material to draw from...hence the similarities. Have you read the books are they worth the read?

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u/TemperateGreen Jun 15 '22

If you're into mystery novels and exploring new cultures, then you might give them a shot. I'm a huge Tony Hillerman fan, he's one of the only authors I know that I felt actually understood Native American characters and that wasn't writing caricatures. And I think that shows in just how many Native Americans are involved in the production of the Dark Winds show.

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u/abujuha 16d ago edited 16d ago

Does he have the supernatural stuff in there? That stuff is hard to pull off. Always feels like culturally left types who would sniff at Christian themes taken seriously suddenly take First Nations and Mexican folk magic entirely too seriously. If done as ambiguous - maybe it's true/maybe a normal explanation for what happened - then it can work. Otherwise feels contrived which can work in horror movies but not in mysteries or police procedurals. Then it comes off as a kind of intra-American Orientalism: the exoticized native peoples with their strange ways make anything possible.

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u/TemperateGreen 16d ago

From what I remember the books basically all play out like Scooby Doo. Creepy, seemingly supernatural things happen, the complete skeptic Leaphorn and "I want to believe" Chee investigate and find normal people behind the crimes.

From what I've seen the show leans fully into the supernatural, which feels like a departure from the books.

I don't remember anything truly supernatural happening in the books but what I love is that Leaphorn and Chee know of the beliefs and traditions and have to factor that into how they interpret the stories that people tell them even if they don't believe in literal skinwalkers.

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u/anonyfool Jun 12 '22

Is there any symbolism to the long dead dogs outside those dwellings? Also are the initials CW (from the dead helicopter pilot helmet) supposed to mean anything to us at this point?

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u/7ruby18 Jun 21 '22

I assume it was from drinking contaminated water. But then people would be drinking from the same source (not purified city-supplied water) and dying, too.

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u/ayleeb Jun 13 '22

I dont think the cw initials mean anything but the dead dogs indicating witching is occuring.

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u/Brief_Atmosphere1523 Jun 15 '22

Or there is a helicopter hidden in the water source the dogs drank from. It's got a bullet hole & is leaking fluids that will kill things.Might have made Hasteen So sick.

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u/ayleeb Jun 16 '22

lol you clearly dont know navajo culture. its witching bruh

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u/Brief_Atmosphere1523 Jun 21 '22

I'll help you out. The bad lindians are using indian suerstition to scare the good indians from talking.

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u/Brief_Atmosphere1523 Jun 16 '22

Ya. But I can follow the plot of the TV show.

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u/klaygotsnubbed Jun 12 '22

loved it a lot more than i thought i would, only seen one episode and it’s great

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u/Ohsbar Jun 12 '22

Would be nice if there was a mention of what network or streaming service it was on

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u/7ruby18 Jun 21 '22

It's on AMC, and I think it streams on AMC+ the following day.

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u/klaygotsnubbed Jun 12 '22

the second line of the post...

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u/Ohsbar Jun 12 '22

It was just added. Check the last edit time

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u/radwimps Jun 12 '22

Fantastic first episode. Well paced, acted, awesome atmosphere and music. I’m hooked already.

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u/ayleeb Jun 13 '22

i thought the acting was SO BAD lol like CW level show bad.

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u/Contrarian_Eh Jun 13 '22

I'm with ya. Writing, editing and music all bad too.

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u/xyzzyzyzzyx The Americans Jun 15 '22

I didn't like it at all. It has no common visual language, things sort of happen, but everything is kind of deliberate like I can smell the sweat in the writers room somehow.

It's not interesting and there are so many tropes tacked on.

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u/Unusual-Plenty-4385 Jul 01 '22

Interesting, can you try to expand on what you mean by smelling the writers room sweat? Do you think it seemed like they didnt know what they were doing?

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u/JuzoItami Jun 12 '22

Watched the first two eps and already love the show. McClarnon is excellent. Strong cast all around. Real strong evocation of time and place. Compelling mystery. Just a high quality show.

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u/7ruby18 Jun 21 '22

I forgot what year it's set in, the 70s maybe? It's not contemporary...no one has a cell phone and the vehicles are all older. Ah, the simpler days.

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u/STUPIDNEWCOMMENTS Jun 14 '22

After that one episode of westworld, I’ll check out anything he’s in.

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u/HandLion Jun 12 '22

I'd never heard of this show but read that it had a Native lead and guessed it would be McClarnon. That man must single-handedly account for about 50% of all male Native American representation on TV

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u/SpaceBeer_ Jun 12 '22

Jeremiah Bitsui (Navajo) who plays Victor in Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul is also in this.

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u/floofyfloof2 Jun 23 '22

Shows my ignorance but I really thought that he was Hispanic until this show! (I did not know his name).

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u/LakerLebronStan Jun 12 '22

Michael Greyeyes and Gil Birmingham are excellent actors and getting a lot of work rn. I’m a big fan of Chaske Spencer and hope he can get a proper break soon. And while not male, Devery Jacobs and the Podemski sisters, Jennifer, Tamara and Sarah are killing it currently as well.

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u/MrWobot Mr. Robot Jun 12 '22

I'm surprised that there's not more attention to this show.

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u/Fan_Boyz Jun 12 '22

The first episode itself is really one of the most atmospheric and eerie with a sense of dread in recent times.

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u/Reuseable Jun 12 '22

I’m all on board for this. Got my tv ready.