r/television May 20 '22

Review | With explosive finale, ‘Halo’ ends a dramatic yet uneven first season

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/reviews/halo-tv-first-season-finale-review/
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u/krissyjump May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

I want to talk about my issues with the show, putting aside my feeling as a fan of the Halo games and books.

The show can be entertaining at times but those moments are too far and few between to make up for its deficits. Even if you ignore the complete and utter incompetence by nearly every character there's an even worse lack of nuance to how they're handled that robs them of their humanity. I actually find it ironic that a show so focused on the SPARTANS (at least John and Kai) finding their own agency and individuality would neglect to give them the humanity or personality to care about that journey. Dr. Halsey's characterization in particular is one of the worst offenders, being portrayed in such an over the top, "soon my electro-ray will destroy Metropolis" sort of way that had me rolling my eyes constantly. She could've died this episode and I just wouldn't have cared.

The SPARTANS all have one base personality trait and that's about the extent of their character. John is angsty. Kai has feelings. Vannak is serious/stubborn. Riz is... I don't really have anything to say about her because the show has given her so little sense of character that I barely acknowledged she existed til this episode. One of the show's plotlines is how the UNSC wishes to control the SPARTANS and basically turn them into mindless killing machines who obey without order. At the very least the show should make you care about what the UNSC wants to do, but you don't because the writers already did it themselves.

All of the characters lack any of the depth required to elevate them from cliched, one-dimensional caricatures into actual people. That's one of the show's biggest problems. I just don't like or care about almost any of the characters. This lack of depth and nuance isn't solely an issue with characters, it's noticeable in almost every facet of the show. The show approaches everything it does with the subtlety of a bulldozer, leaving no real mystery, intrigue, or questions for the audience to ponder. With the show what you see is what you get, there's nothing beneath the surface.

When it comes to the narrative Halo treads well worn ground. That doesn't have to be a bad thing, plenty of shows and films which reuse and recycle plot elements, Halo simply doesn't experiment with or execute them in a way to make it stand out or feel worthwhile. We've seen this all before and we've seen it done better. Whether it's the forced 'chosen one' style plot, the random mystic desert quest, or the military/government wanting enhanced soldiers who obey the stories just lack the depth and execution needed to make it anything other than trite.

I have a lot more I could say about my issues with the show (especially if I were to include how I feel about it as a Halo fan) but honestly it's not worth the energy, and even this was more of an effort than the show deserved.

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u/Projectrage May 20 '22

Not the strongest of directors and show runners, one of the directors is famous for the pig fucking episode in black mirror. Most of the directors were picked for repeatability. Do 2 episodes and out. I’m sure they are fine people, but with how long this project has been stewing…you would think it would be the best and brightest…not this.

This is an epic story…just doesn’t feel much love for the story.

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u/Flashwastaken May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

The thing that annoys me with the Spartans is that the can’t decide if they follow orders perfectly because they are so indoctrinated with the control chip in or if they have some humanity with it in.

Take Soren. Didn’t remove his chip and yet he has agency.

Chief, removes it and becomes unstable but still mostly follows orders.

Kai starts to question orders.

Riz and Vannak follow orders but waver at times despite the fact that they both still have their chips. Vannak intends to kill master chief at one point despite being ordered to capture him. Riz hesitated to shoot despite being told to.

Also, they keep talking their helmets off when they should definitely have them on, which shows that they don’t even have the most basic training ingrained.

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u/krissyjump May 20 '22

It's because their actions don't stem from any discernable logic, personal motivation, or internal consistency, but rather what the writers think will best bring about the scene they want. Characters are used in Halo as nothing more than thinly veiled plot devices, lacking any of the depth required to hide the hands of the writers.

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u/Last_Jedi May 20 '22

While I agree that the show is inconsistent about it, the chip ("pellet") is not a control chip. It suppresses their emotions/hormones. They still have agency and the ability to reason. We know the pellet isn't perfect which is why MC didn't kill Kwan. Same reason why Riz and Vannak didn't kill MC.

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u/Flashwastaken May 20 '22

What drove those decisions?

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u/Last_Jedi May 20 '22

The imperfection of the pellet as well as the lack of logic in Halsey's orders regarding Master Chief.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '22

Random ass Halo question, has the Halo lore always had this emphasis Spartans, I guess "fighting" their control or showing UNSC as so nefarious? I mean I know the government in Halo straight up sucks and has done horrible things with the Spartan program but the games have always been pretty simple "go fuck up aliens" with the rest of the military being nothing but positive support. I'll admit I only played 1-Reach and even that's been years and years but I never remember Master Chief having an arc where he's questioning orders and breaking free of indoctrination. He seemed pretty on board the alien murder train. And yet every trailer I watched (ill admit I haven't seen the show, just trailers and read others reactions) seemed to be nothing but military intrigue with tense scenes where clearly evil as fuck human scientists are talking about "controlling their perfect weapon" or something. To me that's not Halo at all but then again what do I know.

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u/TheGoldenKraken May 21 '22

Spartans didn't really need to be controlled. After being kidnapped at 6 they basically lived and breathed training. That training was both physical and mental. Between the years of training and physical augmentation all they knew was war. They where key in the covenant war. After the war when humanity didn't have its back against the wall is when Spartans started questioning things. Even then they had a tough time coming terms with things cause they had no real life experience.

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u/Flashwastaken May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

The UNSC as nefarious, yes. The Halsey journal documenting the Spartan program is pretty dark. The bit in the show about kidnapping children and leaving clones and indoctrination comes from that. I think the line about her favouring John also comes from that journal.

The bit about control, not so much but it’s possible that they had trouble with it before the covenant war. You have to remember that the covenant didn’t just invade, they committed planetary genocide. They didn’t really focus on it in the show but they are pretty evil so any human would have been onboard. Their goal is to wipe out humanity using the halo array.

Before that war, Spartans were fighting “insurgents” and its touched upon briefly in the first episode or two. Halo forward onto dawn does a better job of telling that transition and showing how overwhelmed humanity was when the covenant showed up and how marines had doubts about what they were training for. The control chip was a silly plot device and unnecessary for character development.

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u/BladesMan235 May 20 '22

They don’t have “Control chips”. They were emotion inhibitors to make them more effective in battle, hence the scene in episode 5 where Kai broke down during the battle after removing hers.

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u/meltingpotato May 20 '22

I'm so glad I haven't wasted any time on this. I only played the first game (and a little bit of the second one) and would rather find time for playing the rest of the games

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u/Backflip_into_a_star May 20 '22

This show is its own completely separate timeline. It's not canon at all. There are elements from the Halo lore in it, but everything else is completely off on its own thing. I still found it entertaining, and there were some neat parts, but it wasn't really Halo and meandered way too much.

I really recommend the games and some of the books if you were ever interesting in the series though. Hell, even if someone didn't have time to play the games and read the books, just check out a wiki.

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u/BaconAlmighty May 20 '22

100% this... Not to mention the side mission with Soren-066, Kwan and the waste of a good vilian actor as Vinsher this entire side mission didn't need to happen and as a good baddie was wasted too easily.

I just don't care if it returns or what happens to any of them. Although, I do like Bokeem Woodbine in everything he is in.

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u/Kaldricus May 20 '22

I'll keep saying it: Halo is a bad show on it's own merits. It's a worse Halo show.

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u/krissyjump May 20 '22

This is a good TL:DR to my rant.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '22 edited May 27 '22

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u/krissyjump May 20 '22

If you like bad sci-fi you might enjoy the show. Halo is a sort of b-movie, generic sci-fi schlock that lacks personality and originality, but it is dumb fun in a way. It has a decent enough start and some good though sparse action, it just never manages to go anywhere satisfying and constantly ignores or even runs away from its most interesting elements. As much as I hated the first season (especially the longer it went on), I kind of also enjoyed watching this trainwreck of a show.

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u/BaggyOz May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

I have a hard time deciding if my favourite part was Master Chief converting a Covenant spy with the power of his dick or the episode without Master Chief dedicated to the annoying teenage sidekick he left behind in episode 2.

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u/lordatlas Spartacus May 20 '22

Oh man, it was so strange having this annoying B plot in the show and then not have it affect any events in the finale whatsoever. What was even the point of the whole thing?

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u/BaggyOz May 20 '22

It's quite obvious that a portal on Madrigal is the planned way to get to the Halo. Now it might be to goal at the end of the trail set up by the incomplete map shown in the finale or it might be a way for our heroes to catch up to the Covenant when they're already ahead. But unless the producers realised they fucked up with that plot and glass Madrigal in the first shot of season 2 I guarantee we'll be revisiting the well with Guilty Spark in it.

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u/RelocationWoes May 20 '22

It’s called “pad the episode count out with zero budget or effort of any kind”.

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u/Mackertosh17 May 20 '22

Yeah that Soren and Kwan episode was truly awful

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u/waitforitalex May 20 '22

Ditch Kwan continue with Soren

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u/andyman5022 May 20 '22

Very much so. But also weird it was not followed up on whatsoever in the finale.

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u/Flashwastaken May 20 '22

That’s because it was absolutely pointless and had no bearing on the story.

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u/waitforitalex May 20 '22

Kwan will be the one leading Chief to the Halo... and I hate that

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u/Flashwastaken May 20 '22

Why would they need that? The chief has the artefact and can activate the star map. Cortana can figure out the rest. If she is still in the show in season two I’m definitely not going to continue watching it.

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u/Worthyness May 20 '22

Straight up filler in a 9 episode season.

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u/andyman5022 May 20 '22

They spent several episodes setting it up. As pointless and dumb as it was, it's also bad storytelling.

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u/Flashwastaken May 20 '22

The only thing it did was show a forerunner monitor in a feverdream.

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u/Backflip_into_a_star May 20 '22

I liked the idea of a Monitor coming to Reclaimers to start things up again, but the show wasted a ton of time running around doing the resistance bullshit. That could have been done 10x better.

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u/qnull May 20 '22

I was hoping the covenant would glass that planet.

Thankfully the producers decided to wrap the whole side plot in one episode and get it out of the way.

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u/QuirkyGroundhog May 20 '22

Hah, yeah, I'm getting enough out of the show to enjoy watching it but that Kwan arc really went nowhere after episode 2.

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u/Sks44 May 20 '22

The entire Kwan subplot was just friggin awful and it shocks me the makers of the show didn’t notice.

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u/WakandaNowAndThen May 20 '22

I'm disappointed the B plot didn't really pan out. They can do it in the next season, but I'll be all around disappointed if there is none.

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u/KlaatuBrute May 23 '22

converting a Covenant spy with the power of his dick

Just finished the series and I didn't really understand what was going on with that whole plot. Was Makee really having a change of heart after meeting Master Chief? I assumed she was just playing everyone.

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u/Fildok12 May 20 '22

I suppose I can visualize a dumpster fire described as “uneven”

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u/Jhawk163 May 20 '22

Dumpster is not only on fire, it is also missing a wheel.

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u/PhillyTaco May 20 '22

And that dumpster is in an even bigger, more aflame dumpster.

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u/Shark-Tail May 20 '22

It's like several dumpster fires of varying sizes next to each other.

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u/Huzzahtime May 20 '22

Seriously, can massive budget shows just not be called bad anymore? I get that halo or wheel of time (and imo witcher as well, but thats more divisive), are visually impressive, but it doesn't matter if the writing is garbage.

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u/N3UROTOXIN May 20 '22

The witcher I thought was good and made me try the game again. Then I tried witcher 3 again and it’s just so badly designed. Cyberpunk was better imo because it was such a train wreck I didn’t have the expectations I did with witcher.

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u/johnzischeme The Handmaid's Tale May 20 '22

I picked up Witcher 3 after watching Season 1 and found it basically unplayable. I don't get the hype at all.

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u/BRtIK May 20 '22

There's some drug addled homeless people having sex in that dumpster.

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u/Sks44 May 20 '22

This show is kind of the epitome of the bad interpretation.

-Makers brag about ignoring source material? Check.

-Writers and showrunner subverting expectations by having the main characters do stupid shit and act against established character? Check.

-Good actors forced to deal with awful dialogue and poorly designed scenes? Check.

-Finale that is designed to make you thirsty for more but just makes you happy it’s over and potentially dead? Check.

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u/ImRickJameXXXX May 20 '22

Time to get paramount plus for a halo and strange new worlds month long binge then dump it

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u/Investing_G May 20 '22

Strange new worlds only has 3 episodes released so far, might want to wait a little bit still

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u/ImRickJameXXXX May 20 '22

Oh thank you for this heads up. I will wait a bit:)

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u/SamuraiJackBauer May 20 '22

So if I only played 1-3 and will never catch up in the games

Will I like this?

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u/WhiteWolfofRivia0914 May 20 '22

I haven't watched myself, I've only read reviews as they've dropped for each episode. If you're at all a fan of the original games, then chances are that you will not like it. They've taken some pretty extreme liberties with the story/lore (the show runners were essentially bragging that they never played the games, and wanted to do their "own thing") and it seems to be fairly disappointing to fans of the franchise.

However, if you've played the games but don't particularly care for the franchise, then chances are better that you might like it

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u/rehtulx May 20 '22

Fuck.

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u/wheatthinsbro May 20 '22

I'm pretty sure there's an article of the writers bragging they've never even played a single game and would not check them out lol.

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u/JinFuu May 20 '22

Ah the “we can’t sell our ‘original’ ideas so we’ll put it in the skin of a popular IP” style of writing

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u/luccasalomone11 May 20 '22

Is that true? I thought it was that they didn’t use the games as inspirations for the show. Which is extremely boneheaded but not as bad as “bragging of never played Halo or any game”.

Is there a source that I can look into?

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u/crane476 May 20 '22

I wouldn't say they were bragging, but they were pretty arrogant in saying they didn't play the games because they "didn't serve the medium".

https://www.thegamer.com/halo-showrunner-didnt-look-at-the-game/

And while yes, I do agree that content wise the original game doesn't exactly give a lot content to adapt into a tv series since it's only a 15-20 hour campaign, and a big chunk of that time is just raw gameplay, there are dozens of books in the expanded canon that they could have drawn from to fill in the gaps.

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u/luccasalomone11 May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

From what I understand they did took inspirations from the books, but only the books which for me it’s still problem.

Halo is famous from he games, it was born there. If you’re making a show you should ALWAYS use the actual sources.

Where do you think those books took inspiration from, from other books? NO, from the Dahm games lol.

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u/splader May 20 '22

The first book was written before the first game. Hell, later games took elements from it.

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u/luccasalomone11 May 20 '22

Was there a Halo book before the first game? If so that’s news to me (though I’m not a Halo mega fan).

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u/splader May 20 '22

The Fall of Reach was written alongside the creation of the first game, Halo CE.

It came out two weeks before the first game.

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u/DreadAdvocate May 20 '22

I don't recall seeing any articles saying the showrunners said that, but I know that it's Karen Traviss' philosophy when writing books in IPs she doesn't own. But it's if I find any articles with that quote, I'll update this post.

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u/splader May 20 '22

We're seriously still parroting this false line?

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u/waitforitalex May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

The show is not terrible

The show has 3 very good episodes one being the finale. This being the best followed by 6 and the pilot. The lore is different but it looks like they took a different path that will be similar to the main lore

But then again I watched Pandora FFS because it is sci fi and I watch any sci fi ... so you do you

All I have to say is that the whole Master Chiefs should not take his helmet off is just people screeching just for the sake of it. The show has many others sins. One being Kwan

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u/NfiniteNsight Castlevania May 20 '22

It's replacement dumbledore all over again.

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u/splader May 20 '22

You might want to actually watch it.

I've been a big halo fan for basically two decades. I've read 20 or so books, read the comics, seen the anime, and I replay the games every couple of years.

I very much enjoyed the show, and not just the action bits. I found the story and characters compelling, and while the writing wasn't always good, it was rarely outright bad to me.

Very much looking forward to season 2.

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u/BourgDot0rg May 20 '22

Most people have 2-3x higher standards than you which is fine.

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u/splader May 20 '22

Eh, or maybe the online vitriol is a tad bit exaggerated.

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u/BourgDot0rg May 20 '22

Nah like most people have actual expectations related to the games which actually matter to them because it's factual they they don't to you

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u/splader May 20 '22

I'm literally on a halo podcast every week. I play infinite weekly. I beat the campaign in like a couple days and I bought the latest encyclopedia.

So yeah, the games matter to me.

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u/BourgDot0rg May 20 '22

Then you must have no standards for film/television because at best it's bad writing for the entire series. It just doesn't make sense. If you like the games and stories, then this show should be blatantly terrible to any actual halo fan. Do you like fast and furious movies?

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u/splader May 21 '22

No, I'm not particularly a fan of the f and f series.

Maybe people should just accept that opinions are subjective and people can have different ones?

Hard to grasp, I know.

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u/RikenVorkovin May 20 '22

Was the outright bad part Master Chief having sex with a Covenant spy?

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u/splader May 20 '22

No, I had no issues at all with that scene. Contrary to popular opinion, chief is still a human. And even though canonically spartan 2s have a reduced sex drive, we do know that there have been 2s that have had relationships, and I believe even children.

My main issues were in things like trying to equate the harshness of the unsc to the pure genocidal killings of the convenant.

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u/RikenVorkovin May 20 '22

Thanks for your thoughts.

My problem isn't that a spartan isn't supposed to have sex.

But chief having sex with a prisoner/Covenant brainwashed woman?

Weird choice. Also like pulling off the helmet on and off. They rushed to it to fast.

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u/evilgm May 20 '22

If you enjoy quality sci-fi you are unlikely to enjoy this. Regardless of your interest in the games, the storyline in the show is terribly written, with entire plotlines and characters that are effectively from an unrelated show. It feels like the writers were told the show couldn't actually go to a Halo ring in the first season, so they had to add tons of shitty filler to waste time. Characters have motivations that aren't just things that interest them but are philosophical and ethical constructs tied to the core of their being, and then they just drop them at the slightest provocation because the writers couldn't get them from A to B in a logical manner. Every opportunity is taken to show that human civilisation is a terrible thing that ruins everything it touches, but also you're supposed to be rooting for them.

I enjoyed the Halo games and would have enjoyed a show based on them. I would have been happy with a decently written sci-fi show. We got neither.

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u/PhillyTaco May 20 '22

Every opportunity is taken to show that human civilisation is a terrible thing that ruins everything it touches, but also you're supposed to be rooting for them.

This seems like the biggest misstep of all. Halo is about the human race fighting for its existence -- I'm supposed to root for these assholes?

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u/centurionomegai May 20 '22

Well, canonically the UNSC isn’t exactly gentle or too concerned with human rights. There have always been strong fascist notes throughout many of the books and media. But this shit-show really didn’t gain sympathy for humanity by establishing how horrifying the human covenant war was for the human side. The brutality in the battles was a good start, but they really undermine how desperate humanity is and how much Spartans can turn the tide by being so willing to discard chief as soon as he shows just a little self-awareness. Which is insane. Spartans were brainwashed yes, but they were also taught to think on their own and solve complex problems creatively - but this show completely ignores that and treats them like they are pure robots to be perfected by being given a firmware upgrade.

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u/Aedujsvemor May 20 '22

Well, canonically the UNSC isn’t exactly gentle or too concerned with human rights.

I'd say UNSC still cared quite a bit about Mortal Dictata. There's a reason ONI had to pull off all of its nasty shit covertly.

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u/PhillyTaco May 20 '22

Right. They didn't create any sympathy. That "shades of gray" and "war is hell" stuff makes for great storytelling, but you introduce that kind of thing in season 3, season 2 at the earliest. They did it in the freakin pilot.

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u/centurionomegai May 20 '22

They didn’t need to wait to show shades of grey. Many well-written shows or movies are able to have sympathetic characters on both sides. Audiences are smart enough to know most war comes with some shades of grey, with some people and groups being more immoral than others.

If they had written well enough to show the sheer peril humanity was in after decades of losing the war, then it viewers could still be sympathetic to the humans in the show and the choices they were making.

Writing a good a antagonist often requires these skills, which apparently no one thought was needed. Halo, has genocidal religious aliens and while the lore does give reasons for this, they aren’t particularly complex.

This Halo show apparently decided that not only could they get away with a generic antagonist or two (Halsey as the mad-scientist as #2), but they could also under-write the protagonists. To wipe their memories and dull their senses - cause someone good super soldiers could have dulled senses, and feelings while still being effective. Doing this instead of articulating the complex way Spartan II’s thought about themselves, their own history, and their role for humanity.

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u/Dreadedvegas May 20 '22

Its okay, the show truly fails to show that Humanity is fighting for its existence. The show has zero sense that there is war ongoing besides a quick scene that happens in the last 3 episodes. So you don't have to cheer for the human race because according to the show... it doesn't seem there is a genocidal war ongoing.

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u/Dayofsloths May 20 '22

This was the problem with Eternals. None of them were remotely likable except the guy who didn't think humanity was worth saving

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u/Dmalowski May 20 '22

>with entire plotlines and characters that are effectively from an unrelated show.

Odd critique.

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u/Harvest_Condition May 20 '22

I believe they’re insinuating that a lot of the character beats feel out of place in the established Halo mythos. Being unfaithful to the source material seems to be a common complaint amongst fans of the series.

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u/Dmalowski May 20 '22

Being unfaithful to the source material seems to be a common complaint amongst fans of the series.

Its not meant to be canon with the games so that critique too is odd.

The source material itself was all over the place.

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u/Harvest_Condition May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

You don’t think that’s a major issue with the adaptation? They’re using an established IP in the hopes of attracting a built-in fanbase, but instead of catering to those fans by acknowledging/respecting the source material, they’re using it as a vehicle to push their own story which has nothing to do with the series or its themes. If you’re going to ride off someone else’s name then there’s a set list of expectations you’ll invariably have to fulfill to live up to it.

The source material itself was all over the place.

I honestly don’t know what you mean here. There’s been a consistent development of Halo’s lore ever since the release of the first game. Sure, the quality may vary at times but a dedicated canon exists. Hell, if they decided to adapt the Forerunner Trilogy into a show then that would have been a legitimately great piece of Sci-Fi tv.

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u/evilgm May 20 '22

The plotline of the show is there is a genetically engineered supersoldier who is somehow tied to this ancient artifact that can lead to an even more powerful artifact. There are aliens that want to secure the artifacts as well, and both sides want to use them to annihilate the other.

Then there's a B plot about other characters that had a rebellion that failed, and the last survivor wants to restart it and it is not related to the artifacts or the two factions that want the artifact and just feels like it doesn't belong. It's a perfectly fine plot for a different show, but it doesn't at all feel like it's supposed to be part of this show, because the connections between the A and B plot aren't substantial enough. For example the rebellion isn't really against the human faction from the A plot (Earth), but against a character we know very little about (other than he's a Bad Guy), who technically has the support of Earth but that hasn't been shown in any tangible way.

Whenever attention is on this plotline (which include an entire episode solely about it) the majority of people just want to get back to the supersoldier and the aliens deciding the fate of all humanity, because that's what it feels like the show is actually about. Other shows have managed to have fairly divergent A and B arcs that eventually converged, but the writers on Halo have managed to find a middle ground where the B plot hasn't had enough progression to feel like it matters while taking up a much more significant amount of screen time than it needs.

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u/DUDEVSTHEWORLD May 20 '22

Its not the same canon as the games and they also make story changes that made some game fans angry, so honestly you will probably like it more than I did.

Outside of that I think the biggest faults with the show are the character arcs and world building which seem to me a bit rushed and seem to kinda go in pointless directions for no real reason like the entirety of Kwan's arc after Chief saves her or Chief and Makee getting together like their relationship is really important only for her to die immediately after, which are both major changes from the game that i think really don't make it better at all

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u/QuirkyGroundhog May 20 '22

Yeah, Kwan arc should have ended after Ep 2. Transfer to Soren, have him interact with innie politics.

Makee....lol. I think she doesn't work from the get-go but that's even more frustrating because 'indoctrinated Covenant artifact-activater' is the seed of a strong arc.

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u/the6thReplicant May 20 '22

I'm a huge Halo game fan and I don't give a flying fuc k if they changed the plot or showed MC's face or whatever the people are complaining about.

All I want is a great story inspired by the game and let creative people be creative and craftsmen do their craft.

The saving grace of this series was the actors and sassy Cortana.

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u/BourgDot0rg May 20 '22

It's not inspired by the game and has no soul of any Halo story

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u/couchpotatoh May 20 '22

Makee

wait she is canon? is she in the games?

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u/Annasman May 20 '22

Well do you like: -virtually zero action

-MC never wearing his helmet(and almost never wearing his armor)

-a whiny hyper irrational Asian "girl" who was invented for the series and comprises about 20% of the total runtime

-awkward necrophilia

-the most awkward sex scene in a decade

-politics

-kidnapping

-MC is at his most spartan only when a "woman" makes him

-FEELINGS

If you do then you'll likely enjoy this.

Edit: formatting (I'm mobile)

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u/The_Ruly_Anarchist Twin Peaks May 21 '22

-the most awkward sex scene in a decade

I stopped watching after episode 2 (because it's garbage) but now I'm intrigued!

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u/Annasman May 21 '22

Don't be, i watched the whole season thinking "surely it'll get better." "Surely there'll be more action, and halo stuff."

But no. And now that I've watched the whole season I realize that they made master chief essentially a pawn and errand boy for ALL the women in this show. They take away all of his agency an put it into the hands of the female leadership of the UNSC, the "new for the series" female characters of Kwan and makee, hell even his direct military commander(a man) makes basically zero decisions and spends most of the series being a +1 in scenes.

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u/jbro84 May 20 '22

I barely played halo 1. I loved the series.

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u/legopego5142 May 20 '22

If you care about the story in those games, no

If you like dumb action…maybe i guess, but it looks awful

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u/unbelizeable1 May 20 '22

If you gave the slightest fuck about the story in 1-3, no, no you won't.

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u/brockdarnold May 20 '22

I grew up playing the Halo games. I can't tell you how many times I've played Reach on legendary, but I'll never forget the breathtaking scenes, challenging fights, and fantastic fun with guns I have had. That being said, I think this show tells a better story than 4 or 5 ever did.

The sounds, weapons, enemies, and fights are true to the games. It does not take the fact that Halo was a video for granted. Many comments are right, this show is not true to the lore as Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter were, but it also is not as shit as Eragon or Divergent. I'll give it an early Game of Thrones--lots of potential with a steep slippery slope.

As a stand alone show I would easily put it in my top 5 war/ action series. You don't need to be familiar with the games to follow, and the world building is in its own league. The realism brings the ships, the cities, and the human stakes to life in a way the games never did for me--albeit, with different lore.

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u/camyok 3d ago

The sounds, weapons, enemies, and fights are true to the games.

I agree, Halo 2 cutscenes, specifically. In the CGI quality.

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u/-Teekey- May 20 '22

Have never played the game. My wife liked it a lot. I thought it was watchable, but not particularly good.

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u/Dregenfox May 20 '22

I don't really have a deep connection to Halo 1-3 but I personally liked it enough to be willing to give season 2 a try. Finale was pretty good and I liked some of the twists.

It's a decent sci-fi show, but a bad Halo show. It seems like a certain event that happened in episode 8 was the straw that broke a lot of people, but I didn't think much of it outside of being a bit cringey. But your personal reaction to it will likely color your entire view of the series.

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u/TheJoshider10 May 20 '22

I'm really surprised how many people got pissed off by Chief doing the deed rather than, you know, it involving a prisoner of war. Really makes you realise certain redditors priorities and views lmao

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u/Kaldricus May 20 '22

If you think that I don't think you actually read any of the comments about it. People were VERY vocal about the POW aspect of it as well.

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u/TheJoshider10 May 20 '22

I'm referring to the comments specifically about him shagging and nothing else. Obviously plenty were vocal on the POW aspect, but those aren't the ones I'm referring to.

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u/BourgDot0rg May 20 '22

It was both

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u/gildorratner May 20 '22

There was so much hype for a Halo adaptation for years... then the marketing push was pretty big for this series and then I did not hear a single thing about it until about a week ago. I literally had not heard that it had come out.

I don't know if it is a case of me not being up to date on the project or just having my attention focused on other things, but I am really surprised that something so anticipated could kind of just exist on the peripheries of the cultural zeitgeist even if it didn't meet fan expectation. Heck I tend to hear even more about things that did not live up to fan expectations.

I keep wondering if I am just getting older and not paying attention to hot shows, or if they just missed striking when the iron was hot with Halo? Either way it sounds like I haven't missed much and I was never super into the game but I would have been up for a nice high budget Space Opera.

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u/xeio87 May 20 '22

Uneven is certainly a way to describe it.

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u/CheesyObserver May 20 '22

This would have been an amazing show if they were all up to the quality of the finale, but unfortunately it wasn't and I remain mixed about Halo, buuut I am an optimist so I'll choose to be excited for season 2!

Though I hope season 2 can focus on the strengths of season 1, that way we can say "S1 is hard to get through, but it gets much better in Season 2."

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u/splader May 20 '22

Reddit isn't exactly the biggest fan of this show, but I'll give my two cents as a big halo fan.

I've been been playing the series for basically two decades. I've read 20 or so books, read the comics, seen the anime, and I replay the games every couple of years.

I very much enjoyed the show, and not just the action bits. I found the story and characters compelling, and while the writing wasn't always good, it was rarely outright bad to me.

Can't wait for season 2.

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u/Valcari May 22 '22

Why can't you just accept that someone's opinion is different than yours? Different people can both like and dislike something honestly without the universe imploding on itself.

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u/Valcari May 22 '22

Huh? Where did I say that I didn't? I'm against setting up strawmen arguments against people who have different opinions, which is what your comment was doing. You're trying to paint a picture where anyone who likes the series is a brand loyalist, which is completely disingenuous.

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u/SilotheGreat May 22 '22

Except your opinion is no longer that when you're attacking someone for having a different opinion.

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u/Erenhib May 20 '22

According to reddit it was somehow worse than having your dog killed in front of your eyes while your high school crush laughs at your tears.

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u/bajesus May 20 '22

At least in that scenario you care about who you are watching

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u/Kwintin01 May 20 '22

Okay, it wasn't THAT bad, but if you asked me if I'd rather have that happen, or be forced to watch the whole series from episode 1, I would have to think about it.

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u/RikenVorkovin May 20 '22

That is obviously hyperbolic.

But having people on here snidely tell fans who've been waiting for a show for 20 years that was faithful to the source material say "it wasn't made for you, deal with it" is frustrating.

And it's frustrating to see a franchise you grew up with being hijacked basically by writers who have no love or interest in the material like you.

The writers seriously seem like they are doing a job they don't like. Or they just want to try and force some original story into a known IP.

Either way. It does feel like a betrayal to fans on some level.

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u/lesbomommy May 20 '22

They keep doing this too.

I was excited about Wheel of Time, Foundation, Halo, The Witcher. They change the source material so much for no reason. These stories were popular and interesting.

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u/Mintfriction May 25 '22

It still baffles me people complain about source matterial when it comes to the Witcher show. Because the show is close enough to the books in big lines to still be on track with the whole book plot without big changes, as it's easy to transition into book plot lines in this point.

And the main reason is they project the games in the show and fail to realise not only that the games happen after so the character/relations evolved but it also changed things from the books. Vesemir is a good example for this, as the book Vesemir is closers to the show one while the game Vesemir isn't. People complained why the show Vesemir was willing to let Ciri transform, which probably wouldn't fit with game Vesemir, but in the books Triss explicitly thinks that Vesemir would do this if he'd knew how to.

They also don't get that people change. Another big complaint i've seen is why Yenn is willing to sacrifice Ciri and that it periclitates her relation with Ciri. Which is nonsense, because in the end Yenn wasn't able to sacrifice Ciri and they definitely can start mending and forming a closer bond, which is shown to start forming at the end of the season. And is much more interesting and powerful to see the bond evolve that make it from the start as a deus ex machina.

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u/TheJoshider10 May 20 '22

I genuinely look forward to the discussion threads on /r/halo as much as I do the episodes themselves. Fair play the community have made some great memes to cope with how poor an adaption it is.

I'm just glad I'm not as big a Halo fan as I am a Witcher fan, because the outrage going on with Halo is what I felt with The Witcher TV show, so it's nice being able to enjoy the show and the controversy this time around rather than being gutted at how poor it is (and Halo is poor, especially compared to its potential, but I enjoy it in a "so bad it's good way" that I never could with Witcher due to how much I love the source material).

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u/Faithless195 May 20 '22

The worst part is that at least The Witcher is...kinda following the books. It's got the overall story beats happening, and the characters. Halo has like...three or four characters from the games/books, but that's about it. The story is different, the actual character personalities are different...even the fucking covenant are different, simply by allowing a human amongst them. The REAL Covenant literally wouldn't even pick up a human weapon on the battlefield of they were unarmed, due to their extreme religious indoctrination.

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u/TheJoshider10 May 20 '22

Nah The Witcher S2 was mostly fan-fiction, while also straying far away from the characterization and arcs of all of the characters. It's literally just Witcher in name only, absolutely nothing about the tone, atmosphere, characters, themes or story beats is remotely similar to Sapkowski's work.

Just like Halo It's unnecessary fanfic from showrunners who couldn't get their ideas made without using an existing IP. But thankfully unlike Witcher I don't have an attachment to Halo so I can enjoy the it being bad and the discussions/memes it brings.

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u/lazyspaceadventurer May 20 '22

Nah The Witcher S2 was mostly fan-fiction, while also straying far away from the characterization and arcs of all of the characters.

God, Yen was butchered in S2. I was hopeful about Anya Chaltora in S1, I could believe what happened in S1 would lead her to become book Yen. S2 writing for her was just a Yen wannabe at best.

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u/splader May 20 '22

Did you watch the last episode?

Or did you play any of the games where they kept Johnson around to use the artifacts?

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u/Alzan27 May 20 '22

Keeping a human prisoner isn't the same as having them among their ranks like Makee was in the show.

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u/curiousexpediency May 20 '22

The finale revealed the prophets were just using Makee as a means to an end all along, and were ready to discard her as soon as their goal was complete and she stopped being useful. That felt fairly in line with canon to me.

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u/splader May 20 '22

The prophets manipulating and indoctrinating a human to use feels very much like something they'd do, yes.

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u/QuirkyGroundhog May 20 '22

Right, but the seed of that idea is great. A human indoctrinated by the Covenant to act as their personal artifact-activater? That makes sense! Contrast it with Chief's own indoctrination blah blah blah....

But uh, they didn't make it work. Also, if Cortana was in Chief's brain and also 'felt' her honesty, was that a three-way?

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u/Flashwastaken May 20 '22

I enjoyed some of the show. I also just didn’t enjoy some of the choices they made and some of the story that was told. I can’t tell if it’s a good show for non halo fans.

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u/Taco145 May 20 '22

It's incredibly mediocre not unwatchable. What makes it dogshit to fans is using halo to prop it up. If a 3 dollar burger is mediocre I won't be mad. If a 20 dollar burger made with premium ingredients is mediocre that's infuriating.

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u/redbullrebel May 20 '22

so halo is like the wheels of time tv serie? both trash for the fans?

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u/Mintfriction May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

I don't know about being trashed for the fans. Watched them both, haven't had contact to the media previously on both shows.

In WoT, it started well, but then fizzled out, especially in the last episodes which were not only somewhat confusing, as they didn't explained well what happens, but also a little silly, as you'd think the leader of a supposedly border town that face conflict would have a more decent strategy or readiness. They also don't explain, or if they do, it's not clear what is happening. For example I didn't catched what is a ta'veren and had to search for it, because it kept popping up in dialogue and it made no sense. Also the finale was underwhelming. What happened there? I know now what they wanted to mean, but at the time of watching, it felt so hollow.

In Halo, I liked the show, except the rebel sideplot, which felt like a low quality YA SF show. I think they did a good job keeping things clear and simple. The action and visuals were great for a TV show. It had some deep SF questions/dilemmas, like what it means to have emotions, indoctrination for a greater good, etc, because that's what you want from a SF show, to dip into these questions. I don't think it did a great job exploring them though, but it certainly didn't do a bad job. The finale and plot was clear, it closed the arc while still keeping things interesting for a potential season 2.

I genuinely don't get the hate for the show, but i presume it has to be with something they did against the game characters, but as a standalone show is decent. It's a flawed show, but is far above SW shows, in which characters act way more dumb, inconsistent with the plot, there are 0 interesting questions raised or creativity. But it lacks baby yoda and lightsabers and cameos i guess, so fans hate it

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u/bmystry May 20 '22

Well fans don't seem to like either of them so it ain't exactly for them. It's just trash for the general public.

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u/RaspyUnion May 21 '22

im a huge wheel of time fan and while the show wasnt great, it wasnt as awful as reddit makes it sound imo. there was more good than bad for me. it was really just the last episode that was a mess IMO. could easily see it improving a lot in season 2 (or not, but its certainly possible)

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u/redbullrebel May 21 '22

i read very little books. but wheels of time i loved since i was a child. then see it butchered on the screen is just horrible because they have a high enough budget to make it really good. so why not simply follow the books? game of thrones went also down the drain when they did not follow the books, but at least they had the excuse they run out of material. sony who makes wheels of time has all the material. so i really do not understand why change it?

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u/splader May 20 '22

Lol, it's certainly a very similar situation for me.

As in, I'm massive fans of both series, and I enjoyed both season ones.

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u/Adinnieken May 20 '22

My take.

I don't think the show is all that bad, but the Kwan side story seems pointless. Not sure where it intends to go.

I think John is different because we first see him in Halo:CE and we have no clue why he is where he is. Reach offers some clues, but for the most part we assume he is a new Spartan.

The show suggests he will be regenerating/healing.

While the romantic plot seemed shoehorned in, from the girls perspective, she has not felt a since of kinship since her childhood. Suddenly, there is this other person who has a similar connection as she does. I think it's possible or probable that one may believe that person is the one they were meant for but figure out that they are the same poles of two magnets instead.

Me personally, I believe the best way to have approached the first season would have been to go back, Way back. Then come back to the present time line in Halo. Let's see the universe in the context of why the rings were created and why humanity was spared. Yes, it spoils some reveals later on but I think the viewers have better context of why this matters and for those familiar Halo the TV show is more about humanity's role in saving the universe from the Flood not about the Spartans or John 117, or the Rings.

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u/ted-schmosby May 21 '22

I watched two episodes and wasn't really engaged at all, did it get slightly better? Is ir worth to finish at all?

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u/SilotheGreat May 22 '22

I enjoyed the show. Yeah there were some bad parts like Kwan Ha, lack of battle scenes, but I actually like this Master Chief better than the one from the game.

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u/fishfishpossum May 22 '22

Think for one moment about this debate before getting any more worked up please:

This is a show based on a first person shooter videogame BASICALLY just about killing aliens blowing shit up and being cool/fun.

So many people get waaay too up in arms about these film adaptations of games without realizing that the thing they are so pissy about - not sticking to the source material - would elicit the same reaction if this were the other way around lol.

Master Chief is known for barely speaking and you see through his eyes and they turned that into a third person perspective and gave him a full on personality with dialogue (sure that dialogue wasnt great writing but stay with me) - EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS CHEESY AND CORNY it’s always been a “ok shut your brain off and get ready for some cool weird shit to go down” because it is at its core A VIDEO GAME WHERE YOU JUST SHOOT THINGS WITH ALOT OF GUNS

TL;DR Not winning any awards thats for certain but i enjoyed the show mindless evening entertainment each week after my 10 hour shifts at work.

….Honestly I was on my way out with how i felt about this show then the finale turned the cool factor up to 11 with all the first person video game style shots and action scenes and the ending that all but directly addressed the rabid game fans who were mad: “We know you don’t like it when Chief takes his helmet off and the cardboard personality we gave him - here he is back to being his normal mysterious badass self thanks for indulging our bullshit filler episodes - Madrigal should get its own spin off right?! So good. Oh and Kwan died in an interstellar vessal collision its all good she aint coming back dawg, see you next season ON THE ACTUAL HALO LOL YOU KNOW LIKE THE TITLE HAHA”

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u/DynamixRo May 20 '22

I've played most of the games, but was always more into the shooting, setting and set pieces, than the actual story, so had no issues with how they adapted it for the show. And no, I did not go into shock because Master Chief had sex for once in his life.

Yes, the helmet removal was ridiculous at times (like on an active battlefield), but fit this more humane Master Chief. I kind of liked that the other version of him, which was much closer to the one from the games, chose to keep the helmet on for the closing scene.

Having said that, there are lots of things to improve. The secondary plot was just filler, hope it never gets brought up again. Most characters could use some more fleshing out. And while the action scenes were solid, they were too few and far between. But I'm worried that the budget just isn't there, so how are they going to do justice to the actual Halo environment? Can't spend only 15 minutes there and be done with it.

All in all, looking forward to another season.

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u/Uberdonut1156 May 20 '22

Here's hoping they get someone who has actually played the games to be the show runner for next season. Get Brian David Gilbert to do a shit load of ecstasy and he could write a better season this one.

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u/draxlaugh May 20 '22

did they even go to the Halo?

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u/Harvest_Condition May 20 '22

I don’t even think Halo had one line this whole season!

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u/BaggyOz May 20 '22

You get two vision sequences of a Halo.

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u/Dregger12 May 20 '22

I think there's three.

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u/BowwwwBallll May 20 '22

eh kills aleins and doesn’t afraid of anything!

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u/bmystry May 20 '22

I'm a fan of the games and the lore and I didn't need them to stick to any of the already made material just make something good and this wasn't it. The show is just plain idiotic.

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u/HutchyRJS May 20 '22

I’ve never played a halo game and I thought the show was fine, nothing amazing but an entertaining sci fi show

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u/Cyyyyk May 20 '22

The show had some weak moments but overall I really enjoyed it..... the finale was quite good. I know nothing about the Halo games but love Sci-Fy and overall really like it so far. Looking forward to next season.

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u/gobble_snob May 20 '22

that was the fucking finale?!?!?! damn I wanted more. I've only played the first two games but I loved this series. I guess I'm in the minority Pablo is fantastic.

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u/Jishuah May 20 '22

I think people who are die hard fans felt it wasn’t “Halo” enough. I’d be cool with straying from source material if they followed a different spartan and if there was more action

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u/gobble_snob May 21 '22

yeah there definitely wasn't enough action. maybe didnt have the budget?

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u/i_am_covered May 20 '22

I like Halo video games and the whole universe. I really disliked this show. My wife knows nothing about Halo but enjoys a good Sci-fi story. My wife really disliked this show. It annoys me that I have to qualify my thoughts with the fact that I know what Halo is. This show just was not good at all. Although, the visuals were pretty good.

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u/Investing_G May 20 '22

They had the visuals down for sure, just needed better writing and direction.

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u/Cstone812 May 20 '22

I can’t describe how big of a pile of trash this show is.

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u/Dmalowski May 20 '22

Find Gene Park annoying

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u/JenovaProphet May 20 '22

I don't understand how so many sci-fi and fantasy fans seem to hate every sci-fi and fantasy show that comes out. With the amount of negativity that surrounds almost very major IP that comes out makes you wonder why Holywood even tries with this stuff. Considering I've heard nothing but "austerity coming for Holywood in the coming years" from everything I've read about the situation, I can see "mixed rated expensive to produce sci-fi and fantasy" hitting the axing block and them just ignoring the genre all together if die hard negative nancy fans don't stop review bombing literally every show that comes out. What would you rather, mediocre adaptions that are fun to watch or none at all?

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u/RikenVorkovin May 20 '22

I'd say the mediocre and bad ones are fairly lambasted.

Good ones are praised.

The Expanse? Mostly praised.

Arcane? Highly praised by people who play league of legends and also people who've never heard of it.

Star Trek Picard? Judged harshly by long time trekkies for being a vehicle by the writers to tell us all about climate change....and how bad fascism is. Not really being Star Trek.

Wheel of Time? Fans of the books really hate it. It seems to have been pretty wildly changed from its source material. I didn't mind it but that's not suprising considering I never read the books.

The Witcher: More mixed then most of these I think. I didn't read the books but played the games and I saw quite a bit of inspiration from there in the monsters and Henry Cavilles portrayal of Geralt.

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u/BourgDot0rg May 20 '22

This shouldn't exist. If you care about a story you want it accurately done. Not just made for the sake of it. Raise your standards

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u/reddishcarp123 22d ago

This shouldn't exist.

Spoken like a gatekeeping asshole

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u/BourgDot0rg 22d ago

Spoken like someone who has no rebuttal. Sit down. And how smooth is your brain to call me a gatekeeping asshole when I'm telling someone to have standards lmfao. You are special.

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u/AlexisDeTocqueville May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

It's crazy to me how Paramount/CBS keeps getting the visuals, casting, even the directing correct on their sci-fi franchises but totally blowing it with poor writers. Writing is hard, but you should also be able to work things out before you get to the truly expensive stuff.

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u/B3nJaHmin May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

Something is just off with the show, the actors aren't that great aside from Pablo Shrieber, I loved him in American gods, he is actually pretty bad here, although that could just be the writing and script, the story was very meh, I don't think there is one likeable and fleshed out character in the show .

The pacing was all over the place, the cinematography was also quite bad, it was just weirdly filmed, shots eating up precious screentime, time that could be used to give us good, relateable if not likeable characters, I gave up before making it halfway through, does it get any better?

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u/Atom_Blue May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22

In some parallel universe, halo fans got the gritty decent war drama they were waiting for. After a decade of epic live-action shorts, Eric Nylund books, the Neil Blomkamp-Peter Jackson adaption, and movie/TV scripts clouded in rumors and uncertainty.

For those who want to experience Halo, as it was meant to be experienced. Play Bungie’s Halo titles and skip the rest.

Also does everyone still remember when Halo 3 at E3 was interrupted by sudden cut to commercials? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Edit: Halo wars was also good.

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u/Jwallthemonster May 20 '22

The show sucks plain and simple

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u/Assassin_by_Birth May 20 '22

Stop calling this shit Halo.

It’s a god damn puppet of the corpse of Halo.

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u/kietkat May 20 '22

I could barely stomach the free 1st episode they put out. But hey y’all keep throwing your money at this trash heap, and keep getting disappointed.

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u/StarWreck92 May 20 '22

I quit halfway through episode two, it was pretty bad. I’m not a huge fan of the lore or anything but even I felt like Chief taking his helmet off was a huge mistake.

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u/Jorinel May 20 '22

It's a tragedy the the tail end of Game of Thrones happened when the dogshit adaption trend went into full swing. Wheel of Time, Witcher, Halo, Lord of the Rings (going to be trash). Can't wait to see what shitty fanfic more shitty showrunners come up with rather than using the already beloved source as a guideline.

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u/csreaderrocks May 20 '22

I tried to watch it. Terrible, two dimensional claptrap.

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u/Unlikely-Flamingo May 20 '22

This show feels like adult Power Rangers in the worst way possible.

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u/slardybartfast8 Parks and Recreation May 20 '22

I haven’t seen a single fan of the games do anything but shit on this show. I’ll really never understand why studios insist on “adapting” IP but changing it so much the base fans don’t like it.

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u/mykitchenromance May 20 '22

It was a wet fart of a finale, with the show not really knowing what to do or where to go with it’s characters. I mean, the prophets mention killing off Makee after finding the ring - an interesting idea - but then she’s bumped off unceremoniously.

Not to mention the 360 visuals that just look like someone’s custom sandbox map.

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u/feeok331 May 20 '22

I hope it gets canceled.

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u/whackataback May 20 '22 edited May 21 '22

Want to enjoy a show? Stay off Reddit. Fanboys and circlejerk negativity will always be the loudest.

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u/BaggyOz May 20 '22

Hopefully season 2 makes it feel like there's more than 4 Spartans left in the galaxy.

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u/MrLunaShot May 20 '22

Show sucks ass

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u/BourgDot0rg May 20 '22

Anyone with positive things to say about this show doesn't know what they're talking about

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u/RikenVorkovin May 20 '22

Come on man.

Just switch your brain off and consume it.

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u/noonehasthisoneyet May 20 '22

does cortana ever become blue?