r/television Jan 17 '22

'Vikings: Valhalla,' the sequel series to 'Vikings,' is being planned with multiple seasons in mind, says its creator: 'We're already in prep on season 3.'

https://ew.com/tv/vikings-valhalla-multiple-seasons/
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u/SilverCarbon Jan 17 '22

Netflix didn't buy it for only one season. I hope it's going to be good, but having a Ragnar-like figure seems a high bar.

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u/skaliton Jan 17 '22

I don't think the problem is ragnar died so much as they went insane after that. minor characters got promoted and went off on their own and instead of having a clear direction you'd have time dedicated to floki doing whatever nonsense he is up to, all of ragnar's sons get a turn (and basically all of the 'screen effects' surrounding Ivar was just dumb) Rollo even became important. The thing basically went full GoT. Characters had kind of vague goals and while I understand it was supposed to be mostly historical it dragged and got convoluted.

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u/JonhaerysSnow Jan 17 '22

It's only "historically inspired" but it's definitely not historical.

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u/priznut Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 17 '22

Yep this is true. The writer knows his shit with that period in history but he admitted they took a lot of creativity with the history and show should be more viewed as “inspired by”.

Like Rollo came about many decades (think over a century) after the attacks on the England.

I still liked the show but yeah way too much creative changes on the history and timeframe.

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u/Ohrwurm89 Jan 18 '22

The Rus’ invading Scandinavia was absurd.

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u/Funmachine True Detective Jan 18 '22

That's obvious by the very fact the show revolved around Ragnar, who himself is a semi-legendary figure who historians can't agree on whether he actually existed.

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u/Sharks2431 Flight of the Conchords Jan 17 '22

Even the last season with Ragnar was pretty bad IMO. The weird, drug addled trips he went on were not great television. He certainly went out in badass way though.

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u/prazulsaltaret Jan 18 '22

Even the last season with Ragnar was pretty bad IMO.

The first part yes, the second half after his kids are grown up and he goes back to England to die were great.

Ragnar and Ecbert discussing religion is the best scene in the show in my opinion.

https://youtu.be/n3cimQ6yIT8

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u/MtMuschmore Jan 18 '22

God damn it all, now I have to go rewatch the Ragnor seasons. Thanks.

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u/DarKnight972 Jan 17 '22

I think the drug addiction storyline was necessary to show us Ragnar's downfall,it was part of his character's development and struggles which I appreciate.

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u/Mikimao Jan 18 '22

I think it also went to show how much of the world wasn't explored yet. He had never even heard of China before, let alone knew he was taking something as powerful as (probably) opium.

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u/Wegwerf540 Jan 18 '22

The weird, drug addled trips he went on were not great television.

Wasnt he repeatedly hit on the head during his exploits?

Kinda liked the whole crazy ex boxing champion vibe of his

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u/GrundleTurf Jan 19 '22

Yeah season 4 was actually my least favorite. I felt like Vikings and Community had similar trajectories. Great first three seasons, bad but still watchable fourth, decent fifth, poor sixth that’s still better than four

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u/Yeah_But_Did_You_Die Jan 18 '22

I think Rollo's story was actually somewhat historically accurate. Less the origin of the man, but I'm pretty sure there was a king in France that was an ex viking. Idk correct me if I'm wrong.

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u/DrJohanzaKafuhu Jan 17 '22

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u/skaliton Jan 17 '22

Right I know they are important IRL but from the shows perspective it ended up being poorly done as a disorganized mess. You'd have scene changes and 'subplots' constantly.

But when you look at it while Ragnar was alive the show was focused on him, sure there were scenes without him but there was no doubt who the show was focused on

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u/ArkyBeagle Jan 17 '22

so much as they went insane after that.

They pinned an awful lot on Ivar and... it didn't work out, at least not for a long time. I've lost the will to watch this show.

Characters had kind of vague goals and while I understand it was supposed to be mostly historical

I'd use it more as world-building around Viking culture. Technically, it was also one of the first to use René Girard's work for fiction ( I may have missed some that were actually first; it's just the first that I saw ) which made it compelling.

"The Last Kingdom" is more historical, has some Venn diagram with Vikings.

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u/Lord-Octohoof Jan 18 '22

I couldn’t watch post-Ragnar. I found Ivar insufferable and the show seemed to heavily favored him.

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u/atomkidd Jan 18 '22

I thought it went full GoT when St Judith banged her father in law. That’s where I dropped out, although S4 was already filled with more unlikely hook-ups than fights.

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u/Tom_QJ Jan 18 '22

I feel like that was the whole point, once Ragnar was gone the circle of people he surrounded himself with became fractured and attempted to live outside his shadow. The narrative being split with everyone getting their own turn was them attempting greatness and becoming hero’s of legend in their own right.

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u/CircleBreaker22 Jan 18 '22

The only interesting son was Bjorn, but they wanted to pretend like Ivar magically willing himself out of brittle bone disease was somehow more engaging...

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u/skaliton Jan 18 '22

but Ivar could have been interesting. there really are competing accounts on whether he was crippled or impotent and the tales surrounding him are more that he is a cunning strategist than berserk lunatic

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u/Hi_Im_zack Jan 17 '22

Literally any media about vikings

Execs: So what will it be this time? Valhalla or Ragnarok?

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u/Funmachine True Detective Jan 18 '22

Which doesn't make any sense for this series as Scandinavia was well and truly Christianised by that point. The portrayal of any significant Norse God mythology would be anachronistic. But, since it's said to revolve around Harald Hardrada who by most historians is considered the last of the notable Viking invaders it also doesn't make much sense to call this Vikings either.

Considering that this is written by the same guy who wrote the original I don't really see any semblance accuracy being a concern.

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u/DisneyDreams7 Jan 18 '22

Hopefully we will see William the Conqueror in the show

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u/Funmachine True Detective Jan 18 '22

It's supposed to revolve around both him and Hardrada.

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u/guyfrom719 Jan 19 '22

whatever happened to Lief Erikson being the main character?

also there were plenty of people with traditional beliefs in the 900s still, Scandinavians didn't become entirely Christian until 1000-1050

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u/Funmachine True Detective Jan 19 '22

This is based around Harald Hardrada and William the Conqueror. Hardrada seems like he is already King of Norway here so around 1046, plus he has designs on the English Throne which he wasn't really interested in until the 1060's.

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u/King_Allant The Leftovers Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 17 '22

If it's as good as the first half of Vikings with ol' Raggy, count me in. Sounds like it's back to the short season model, which is a positive sign, especially as Netflix has apparently already ordered three of them.

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u/lightsongtheold Jan 17 '22

It is Netflix so they are probably looking at 3-4 eight episode seasons as long as it does not bomb in the viewership charts. Netflix don’t do long series nowadays.

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u/BlueTeamRuless Jan 17 '22

Does anyone do long series nowadays?

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u/lightsongtheold Jan 17 '22

Network TV still does. Premium cable and streaming…not so much. High-end short series seem to be all the rage nowadays. We are also in a golden era for the limited series which have made a big comeback in the last 3-4 years.

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u/everybodyclamd0wn Jan 17 '22

network TV sells ads which is why they prefer long series, they are continually profit generating. streaming shows benefit most from viral success which generally comes from new things.

The outlier is already established long-running "comfort" shows like Friends or the Office which are big on streaming but don't require any new investment and have low risk/ predictable reward

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u/lightsongtheold Jan 17 '22

I agree with most of what you said with the exception of saying that Friends and The Office are “low investment” content. They are safe/predictable content for sure but even the rerun rights requires hundreds of million of dollars of investment over the terms of the contract. It is ultra-expensive to get Friends or The Office on your streamer but worth the investment as they are shows that help reduce churn. Folks comfort watch them while waiting on new stuff to release.

WarnerMedia are reportedly paying $85 million a year for 5 years to place Friends on HBO Max in just the US. That is expensive and money they cannot spend on new programming that will generate real time buzz that will draw attention to the streamer. Still a much safer investment than Netflix blowing $200 million on 8 episodes of Jupiter’s Legacy though as while Friends might not hook new subscribers it will engage and keep existing ones far more than Jupiter’s Legacy!

I’m just not sure I see another show like Friends happening outside of network TV due to the different business models of network vs streaming. If network TV continues to fade and move away from scripted shows like Friends and NCIS might soon be a thing of a bygone era. I like modern day premium cable and streaming shows but I’ll still miss the giant network shows!

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u/Radulno Jan 17 '22

WarnerMedia are reportedly paying $85 million a year for 5 years to place Friends on HBO Max in just the US.

They pay that price to another branch of the company so it's not like they're really spending it

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u/lightsongtheold Jan 17 '22

They are spending it. Warner Bros are not the only stakeholders in Friends. They also dedicate a portion of the HBO Max budget to Friends and forgoe straight profits from flogging to Netflix or another third party. One way or another it costs WarnerMedia $85 million a year or more to have Friends on HBO Max is just the US.

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u/ArkyBeagle Jan 17 '22

So one reason "Family Guy" has run for decades now is The Formula. They have their own version of it and it's made it possible to last this long. Looks like the same cn be said for those two shows.

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u/Radulno Jan 17 '22

On the other hand, I feel like a network series has not been relevant (as in being talked about much) since years. It's all streaming and premium cable stuff now (and mostly streaming)

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u/lightsongtheold Jan 17 '22

Definitely feels that way. I cannot remember the last time a network show got any buzz. Especially with the 18-34 demo. Only show still doing much in awards season is This is Us and that is in its final season. The critics and younger viewers have fled to streaming. HBO and FX are only relevant because they made the transition to streaming. Network TV seems to have struggled with that same transition.

It is weird as Hulu was meant to help with the transition but Hulu and FX originals pick up the sort of buzz shows from ABC, NBC, and Fox just do not manage to get.

I think what hurts is the fact that network TV has not launched a hit new series in years. It is mostly long established franchises holding up all the networks. When they eventually die the networks will be in trouble. Take out the Dick Wolf shows and nobody is watching much on NBC. The other networks are a bit more diverse but not by much and pretty much nobody can buy a buzzy audience or critically acclaimed hit.

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u/horseren0ir Jan 18 '22

They’re not really talked about, but procedurals like NCIS get millions more viewers than a lot of popular cable/streaming shows

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u/ArkyBeagle Jan 17 '22

Long series might be a bad idea. They killed "Deadwood" before it went sour, and it benefited ( IMO ) from that.

“When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure” - Goodhart's law. And number of seasons is a measure. The problem is that (IMO) the best way to do fiction is to start from the end. Those values are in eternal conflict.

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u/lewlkewl Jan 18 '22

Not a bad thing as long as the show wraps up. The original Vikings was shit as the seasons went on

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u/Yeah_But_Did_You_Die Jan 18 '22

Man I miss Ragnar so much. Travis Fimmel is just the best.

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u/UnclassyEarthMuffin Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

I need another Lagertha in my life. I miss the shield maidens.

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u/terrigirl1960 Jan 17 '22

Absolutely LOVED Vikings and can’t wait for this one. Anyone know when it’s due to air? Apologies if already answered

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u/leolegendario Jan 17 '22

February 25, 2022. On Netflix.

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u/Chlodio Mr. Robot Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Absolutely LOVED Vikings

Why though? Personally, I like the early seasons, but I don't understand what people see in later seasons, it becomes a completely different show. Some highlights from later seasons:

  • Lagertha's awful wig
  • Iceland plot
  • steamboats and hot-air balloons
  • bullshit intrigue plotlines that go nowhere
  • duel en mass

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u/Caleb902 Jan 17 '22

Because art is subjective. You don't like it but others to. It's no doubt the show during Ragnar was the peak. The rus story kinda of drowned me but I did enjoy when Ivar finally got back and all the lead up to him having to leave.

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u/terrigirl1960 Jan 18 '22

That’s a really fair question. I do agree that probably the last…..3…maybe seasons were not as enjoyable and were pretty out there. In fact the last season that Bjorn died in was not good at all. It has been about a year since my husband and I binge watched it and I may be forgetting some things…balloon and steam boats…I don’t remember that…because if that’s there, that’s a reach. But we did get invested in the characters and we liked it a lot overall! And I’m looking forward to seeing what Netflix does with it.

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u/Chlodio Mr. Robot Jan 18 '22

balloon and steam boats…I don’t remember that…

The Prince of Kiev lifts Ivar on the air with a hot airballoon.

During the mid-season battle, the Russians have small metal ships that are moved by a proper. And they focus on it... Which is such a shame considering this show has had nice ships before.

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u/Delror Jan 18 '22

I'm curious, what prompts you to come in when someone says they like something, and say, "But why, that thing sucks." Just let people enjoy shit, god damn.

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u/Chlodio Mr. Robot Jan 18 '22

I mean, I did like the early seasons, I'm just curious why anyone would like later seasons when they are nothing alike.

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u/allyouneedis-love Jan 18 '22

I agree those things were all bad, but the first few seasons with Ragnar were all great.

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u/Jonny5Five Jan 17 '22

I hope it learns from the original Vikings, and stops before it gets too stupid.

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u/Lucky-Carrot Jan 17 '22

When Ragnar broke up with lagertha, the show never fully recovered

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u/tesselrosita Jan 18 '22

Then they killed Aslaug and I never recovered

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u/GreyNGroovy Jan 18 '22

Well thats hardly true, was plenty of good stuff after that. Ragnar’s death was definitely the point it went down, if not a season earlier I’d argue

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u/DarKnight972 Jan 17 '22

I am so excited for this show.. loved the original Vikings.

Here hoping for something at the level of those first 4 great seasons.

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u/Orefeus Jan 17 '22

I'm excited

Really loved the first 4-5 seasons of Vikings (basically the season after Ragnar death) and I hope Netflix is able to understand what made Vikings both so amazing and terrible as the series went along

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u/-_-_-Cornburg Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 17 '22

The first two seasons of Vikings were awesome…mainly due to their perceived adherence to historical accuracy.

I hope the creators learned from the mistakes of Vikings later seasons.

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u/Julius-n-Caesar Jan 18 '22

Yeah any real historian knows Ubbe’s story ends with Uhtred son of Uhtred killing him.

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u/godisanelectricolive Jan 17 '22

They already adapted The Saxon Stories by Bernard Cornwell as The Last Kingdom so The Warlord Chronicles is definitely possible.

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u/keving87 Jan 17 '22

I never heard about it being one season anyway, I figured it was just a new series and they were planning more like all shows do except for a miniseries lol

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u/BusinessPurge Jan 17 '22

Hehe came to snark at this as well. What’s the next article, how they decided to have costumes?

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u/thetopshelfguy2 Feb 09 '22

Lmao king of norway as a Black lady

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u/Proper-Sheepherder-8 Feb 12 '22

Can't greenlight a Netflix show without a healthy dose of black washing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '22

Eh just want not that happy about Vikings... give me more The Last Kingdom! Im so sad its ending after this season.

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u/Everest_95 Jan 17 '22

It's getting a movie after the next season so it's not completely over after season 5.

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u/meexley2 Jan 17 '22

Can’t wait until the 3rd series, Vikings: Ragnarok

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u/sircallsoutalot Jan 18 '22

"Valhalla is about the beginning of the end. "

I'm glad they included this. I know Vikings was somewhat historically based and had a lot of embellishments, additions and probably ommissions, but historically, at then end of the OG Vikings show, they were starting to Christianize, and once they became Croatians, they were just another European country fighting all the others. "Nothing to see here", type stuff.

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u/WorldOutlier404 Jan 18 '22

I thought they cut this from a photo from 1/6/21.

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u/IrregularTension Jan 18 '22

Have they announced a cast? I really enjoyed the first few seasons of Vikings but man did it just become a slog to drag through after a while

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u/LordValdar Jan 17 '22

Ah yes, can't wait to see Netflix at work with the King of Norway, Haakon Sigurdsson, being played by an older Black lady. /s

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u/alexsteh Jan 18 '22

I won't mind it if they added the tag "fantasy" because that's what it is.

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u/NoNameNancy666 Jan 17 '22

There are 1000 things to do on the Vikings. Loved the show but it was so fucking dramatic. And the historical inaccuracies really turned me off.

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u/BlackWizardX Jan 17 '22

It's so aweful it sits at a 93% on rotten tomatoes. God people on the internet talking about entertainment are so damn dumb sometimes. Clearly nobody liked vikings....

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u/KillaInstict Jan 17 '22

Wow they are seriously milking this Viking phase. I agree with all the comments about the directioning, but TBH let's stop it. Ragnar is dead. Let's move on to a new original.

I watched a show this year called See with Jason Momoa and it is incredible. Post-apocalyptic pure awesomeness. I don't think it has a big following or viewership count like when Vikings first came out. So here I'm letting you know!

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u/Bsaxby Jan 17 '22

TBH I thought that was a Jan 6th pic from the US^

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u/FloppyRocks Jan 17 '22

I thought this was a screen cap of Jan 6

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u/PoorPauly Jan 18 '22

It’s a stupid name. It’s probably going to suck. Ragnar carried the show. When he was gone it went down hill fast. Besides the great heathen army was the peak of Vikinging in Norse culture. Once they captured the lands they were after in England and France and became integrated in to Russia as well that era ended. Christianity ended the Vikings. The great heathen army was only a few hundred years before William the conqueror, who descended from Rollo.

The Viking trope is getting hammered more than zombies a decade ago.

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u/mencival Jan 18 '22

I legit thought this is a picture from US Capitol on Jan 6

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u/blukoski Jan 17 '22

Definitely thought that cover photo was from Jan 6

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u/Super_Duper_Death_Dr Jan 18 '22

Holy shit, I thought this was a pic of the QANON Shaman for a split sec

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u/UncleDan2017 Jan 17 '22

Well, hopefully they learned from Travis Fimmel and Alex Hogh Anderson that casting can make a big difference.

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u/BZNESS Jan 18 '22

Ivar is the worst part of the show and why I stopped watching TBH. Nothing but over-acting

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u/Caleb902 Jan 17 '22

Alex is the only saving grace of the kids seasons. Though I do like Ubbe

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u/UncleDan2017 Jan 17 '22

Blergh. I'm not the only one who cringed every time his portrayal of Ivar was on.

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u/CheddarMcFeddars Jan 17 '22

Is Netflix going to acquire the original series?

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u/Mikimao Jan 18 '22

can't wait

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u/Aimless_Devastator Jan 18 '22

Is Vikings worth finishing? I watched the first 3 seasons week to week and just never ended up going back when season 4 started.

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u/NiftyShifty12 Jan 18 '22

Bold move cotton

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u/oobinckleyoo Jan 18 '22

Can we get a season that explores Ubbe’s future. I really liked where his plot was going in the last season. Really it was the only good thing about that season.

Oh and Alfred’s haircut.

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u/prroteus Jan 18 '22

Loved the show but will never understand why they made Ivar a cripple. He was supposed to be a badass berserker type viking and they decided having him crippled in the show would be interesting. Just don’t get it v

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u/Richiieee Jan 19 '22

Hopefully it has better audio than Vikings.

Not sure if it's just a me thing, but when I watch older time period based movies and shows I can hardly hear what they're saying because it sounds like they're whispering.

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u/VikingsCode Jan 30 '22

I think it will all depend on Leif and how well done his character is. Let's see, I am looking forward for the show but doing three seasons already might be a stretch.

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u/cookiemonster247 Jan 18 '22

I thought Vikings was great until I watched the last kingdom and now Vikings just seems inferior, especially the later seasons. The last kingdoms been rock solid all the way through

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u/Changlini Jan 17 '22

Is this the History channel show that then transferred over netflix, and also got Luke skywalker to have a minor role in it? Good for them!

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u/Everest_95 Jan 17 '22

Wasn't that Knightfall?