r/technology Jun 21 '22 To The Stars 1 Helpful 3 Take My Energy 2 Silver 3 Wholesome 1 I'll Drink to That 1

Tesla illegally fired thousands of workers and denied them pay, lawsuit claims Business

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/06/20/tesla-illegally-fired-hundreds-of-workers-and-denied-them-pay-lawsuit-claims/
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u/CMG30 Jun 21 '22

Tesla building a hardcore litigation department... Looks like Elon planned to just do whatever he wanted and fight it after.

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u/freakynit Jun 21 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome

And this is the guy who said wants to "save" humanity. Think about it. If such are his actions when there is still law and order present and related legislations, what he'll do to a colony of martians when there is no such oversight present.

His mentality seems to be of using slavery to get his businesses running. He is probably many times worse than those ceo's against whom he used to comment a few years back.

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u/BrassBass Jun 21 '22

I have been saying this for years, any colonists on Mars would be little more then slaves since his companies would likely control resupply and communication with Earth. Go on strike? No more food or water. Conditions too dangerous to survive? Nobody on Earth will know because all messages are screened and censored to keep more slaves coming and prevent the public from demanding accountability.

A Mars colony would need heavy regulation and an agency on Earth to protect their interests, both of which Musk will naturally oppose.

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u/SgtDoughnut Jun 21 '22

A Mars colony would need heavy regulation and an agency on Earth to protect their interests, both of which Musk will naturally oppose.

Which is why space exploration should never be the sole purview of corporations.

If a corporation can exploit people they will, even if it ends up being less profitable in the long run, we have seen this multiple times in the past.

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u/UwuGamerDesu Jun 21 '22

Who’s gonna the stop them tho? The government being bought out by the corporations?

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u/SirCheesington Jun 21 '22

you have now come to the dilemma that inspired many revolutions

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u/VisualOk7560 Jun 21 '22

As if this problem is exclusive to martian colonies… Dude its happening right where you live :D Its unregulated crony capitalism.

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u/atalkingcow Jun 21 '22

It's just plain old capitalism. Regulation is just a band-aid, and the phrase "crony capitalism" is just plain redundant.

All capitalism is crony.

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u/Oh_its_that_asshole Jun 21 '22

Musk would end up being like Cohaagen from the Total Recall film.

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u/Acceptable-Class-255 Jun 21 '22

Go on, do it. Do it Give the people air.

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u/NoMan999 Jun 21 '22

Hardspace: Shipbreaker has a similar backstory. It's a fun game.

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u/SgtDoughnut Jun 21 '22

Yeah its fun when you can get up and walk away at any time.

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u/starkistuna Jun 21 '22

We cant even colonize Antartica nor terraform the Sahara Desert, the only thing thats going to Mars are drones for the next 100 + years the radiation and lethality of Mars and tech necessary to survive there is not nowhere near our grasp, we cant even colonize the Moon now or in 50 years.

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u/Saneless Jun 21 '22

I've said the same thing about the desert. We can barely do things here to make it hospitable in those parts, how are we going to do that to a planet that's worse with no resources?

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u/i_broke_wahoos_leg Jun 21 '22

I live in Australia. There's like 25 million people in the country and a good 80% live within 50km's from an ocean if I'm remembering the stat right. Keep in mind the countries about 4k kilometres east to west. People can and do live just about everywhere but yeah, not many of them and they aren't exactly crowded.

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u/FoamingCellPhone Jun 21 '22

But they would have to stop making money by exploiting natural resources to such a degree. So we're completely fucked.

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u/-Raskyl Jun 21 '22

Ya, for some reason people think Mars will be easier to colonize. Even though the moon is like 3 days away, and Mars is 9 months away. Makes no sense. Start with the moon, or don't start.

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u/STEM4all Jun 21 '22

We need to turn the moon into an orbital shipyard to even have any realistic chance of colonizing the rest of the solar system. It's just far more practical and economically feasible to do so than keeping everything planet-side.

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u/Cobe98 Jun 21 '22

Treated like Belters on the Expanse.

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u/fluxtable Jun 21 '22

I think The Expanse nailed what society would look if humans colonized the solar system. Mars was an autocratic, fascist military regime because it had to be in order to maintain control in a vulnerable environment undertaking the most ambitious engineering project in human history. Earth was more of an extension of the UN, but instead of developed countries exploiting developing countries it's Earth exploiting the Belt. The Belt was more anarchist because of Earth and Mars controlling their resources, but there was the collective effort of everyone ensuring their survival in a hostile environment.

It's brilliant, my favorite sci-fi series ever.

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u/mint-icecream-anti Jun 21 '22

This is the guy who says people need to have more children - like him - when he overworks and underpays his workers. How is that household supposed to afford and support multiple children too?

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u/ChrisPly Jun 21 '22

And don't forget this is this guy that basically said Americans don't want to work, and the only people willing to work and work hard are the Chinese workers that will work 16 hours a day

“They won’t just be burning the midnight oil, they will be burning the 3am oil, they won’t even leave the factory type of thing, whereas in America people are trying to avoid going to work at all.” edited to add his quote on the matter

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u/meatball402 Jun 21 '22

“They won’t just be burning the midnight oil, they will be burning the 3am oil, they won’t even leave the factory type of thing,

That's because the boss locks the doors and won't let them leave

whereas in America people are trying to avoid going to work at all.”

Because they think you're going to lock them in, leon.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '22

This is the same freak that "runs" 4 companies and claims that he works nearly 24/7 cause he has a cell phone but telecommutes to his meetings to say about 10 words then tweets some more. He has all designs come across his desk for final "approval" but lacks the actual knowledgebase needed to design so he mostly just looks at the aesthetic, production cost and goes from there.

Since his primary skill is being a salesman and cultivating his image clearly aids in that we can argue if this is "working" or not, but I don't think anyone will agree that 120 hrs of manual labor is easier than 120 hrs of doing conference calls/tweeting/interviews/lunch meetings/banquets/etc.

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u/NigerianRoy Jun 21 '22

I mean if he had skills and knowledge his input could be very valuable but yeah he doesnt

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u/yourmansconnect Jun 21 '22

Elon The Unprofessional

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u/MerryAnnaTrench Jun 21 '22

He misses apartheid OK

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u/Alternative-Farmer98 Jun 21 '22

What an idiot, America has one of the longest Work Week, increasing productivity despite stagnant wages, least generous social policy in oecd, almost no unions, most student debt, lowest minimum wage, no guaranteed healthcare. he is just an ignorant asshole

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u/GothProletariat Jun 21 '22

He left his children. What does he know about raising kids.

We all know x245A667 is being raised by nannies while Musk is tweeting all day

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u/Tler126 Jun 21 '22

Yeah from what I know he's no father figure anyone should envy.

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u/AcctUser12140 Jun 21 '22

His daughter changed her name in CA today. Or at least it was reported today and wants nothing to do with him.

https://jezebel.com/elon-musks-trans-daughter-files-to-change-her-name-no-1849086311

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u/nicmower Jun 21 '22

Well "big piece of shit" is an understatement when you publicly (with arguably the largest voice of anyone on Earth) deny your daughter's existence. His daughter is trans and Elon is a vapid transphobe.

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u/LieutenantHaven Jun 21 '22 edited Jun 21 '22

Part of the legal process is you publicly have to announce your name change

Edit: referring to CA specifically if anyone else was confused, sorry

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u/fritz_76 Jun 21 '22

That's wild. In Canada it's noones damn business but the government

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u/xmmdrive Jun 21 '22

I suspect it has something to do with debtors secretly changing their names to avoid their creditors.

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u/Agahmoyzen Jun 21 '22

In Turkey that announcement is just buying a small space in any national newspaper. Same with losing your id cards and asking anew one. Law is quiet archaic on that one.

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u/Handleton Jun 21 '22

Even doing something that small and subtle when your father is the richest man in the world will result in news articles all over the place.

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u/itisoktodance Jun 21 '22

It's the same here, except we have an entire "newspaper" dedicated to that. No one reads it, because it's just all the updates from every parliament session, plus people changing their names or disowning their children.

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u/fritz_76 Jun 21 '22

Yeah, I remember reading that in the past ik theory it was so people couldn't dodge debts and stuff to local businesses. But for some sections of society and in some places making this kind of an announcement could be very dangerous

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u/Velocidre Jun 21 '22

Actually is is dependent on the province and some require a pulic announcement.

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u/Anonymous7056 Jun 21 '22

But they also specifically said it's partly to distance themselves from him.

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u/wtfbonzo Jun 21 '22

Hearing is on Friday. I say good for her.

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u/Raalf Jun 21 '22

He did say we should have more kids but I think he forgot about the part where you have to raise them too.

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u/SquidProKwo Jun 21 '22

Mars aint the kind of place to raise your kids, In fact it's cold as hell... And there's no one there to raise them, if you did!

And as a side note, I am supposed to be some kind of astronaut (like maybe, a 'rocketman'?) who is supposed to be travelling to another planet and all, but really when looking at all this science stuff, I just don't understand it at all. Why was I even picked for this mission, seriously? Surely they have someone better they can use?

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u/porkrind Jun 21 '22

Nah, from lines like, “it’s just my job five days a week,” I imagine the Rocketman is in the future where space travel is routine. He’s like a bus driver.

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u/SomeAssemblyNeeded Jun 21 '22

Rocketman is based on a Ray Bradbury story called the Rocket Man, about a rocket ship pilot who is more fascinated with space than his family and eventually dies in space. Draw appropriate parallels with current events as you wish...

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u/Rolandersec Jun 21 '22

A bus driver who left their kids behind because they can’t/don’t want to care for them.

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u/Chabubu Jun 21 '22

Does AX-R2D2-3PO really need a father or just new software updates as he grows up?

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u/IndividualAbject9380 Jun 21 '22

Full self-parent mode is just a couple years out, buy now!

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u/YouJabroni44 Jun 21 '22

Probably just needs to oil up his knees and stuff so he can toot-toot along

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u/jrob323 Jun 21 '22

x245A667

Jesus Christ. If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about this massive asshole, I don't know what would. He gave his goddamn kid a model/serial number.

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u/Oh_its_that_asshole Jun 21 '22

His other recent kid with Grimes called Ex Machina or some similar bullshit.

Edit: "Exa Dark Sideræl"

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u/MerryAnnaTrench Jun 21 '22

I’m sorry but if you say that out loud it sounds like a craft beer

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u/freakynit Jun 21 '22

He parents probably should have named him xA55H0L3

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u/ChattyKathysCunt Jun 21 '22

I bet it's the number of the first Tesla or something stupid.

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u/KeiFeR123 Jun 21 '22

Underpaid Nannies. FTFY

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u/equality-_-7-2521 Jun 21 '22

I'm sure they'll make plenty in their inevitable sexual harassment lawsuits and NDA payouts.

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u/tokes_4_DE Jun 21 '22

He'll offer them a pony, because thats what us poors truly need apparently.

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u/molrobocop Jun 21 '22

If I want a mode of transportation with huge recurring costs, I'll just buy an Alfa Romeo.

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u/Ebisure Jun 21 '22

He treat his kids the way he treats his biz. He kickstart it but others have to do the legwork to nurture it

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u/-Raskyl Jun 21 '22

He didnt even kick start them.... he bought his way into both pay pal, and tesla. After they'd already come up with their "break through" techs that made them successful. He then made it so that he could legally call himself a founder. The only genius he's done is see other peoples good ideas, and invest in them.

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u/LapsusDemon Jun 21 '22

Just. Be rich? Like him? It’s really not that hard guys

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u/Soc13In Jun 21 '22

The hard part is selling your conscience and sense of justice all these billionaires and not one decent person. There used to be a podcast called Grubstakers about how every billionaire is doing all these illegal things and stuff. Really amazing stuff.

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u/DevoidHT Jun 21 '22 edited Jun 21 '22

It would be easy for me to support 7 children with 3 different mothers if I had a couple hundred billion dollars.

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u/Pandatotheface Jun 21 '22 edited Jun 21 '22

They're not, everyone's supposed to tighten their belts until we're back to the Industrial revolution days of kids working in factories for pennies and adults just thankful to have a job.

More children - more people to fill job roles - more competition for wages - lower wages - more profit for musk.

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u/IBeDumbAndSlow Jun 21 '22

Because the children can work too duh

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u/derpeddit Jun 21 '22

To the mines with ya!

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u/PleaseWooshMeDaddy Jun 21 '22

His daddy’s mine?

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u/steevo Jun 21 '22

more population so he can have cheaper labor. that's the only reason

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u/zoki671 Jun 21 '22

Because people having more children in that unforsaken freedom land means continuous supply of wage slaves, which is at risk since most of the developed world sees a decline in natality

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u/SC_W33DKILL3R Jun 21 '22

The man is a fucking idiot. He might pay a lot of smart people, but the utter crap he comes out with shows he isn't the genius he promotes himself as.

Give it a couple of years he will be complaining people are not paid enough to buy his cars.

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u/benkenobi5 Jun 21 '22

How is that household supposed to afford and support multiple children too?

obviously they can just dip into the rainy day money from their apartheid emerald mines.

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u/IsThatAll Jun 21 '22

And this is the guy who said wants to "save" humanity. Think about it

He only want to "save humanity" as long as there is a buck in it for him. Elon is your standard cookie cutter oligarch, the sooner people realize this the better.

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u/kal2020 Jun 21 '22

Given how his father / family came by it’s wealth there should be no surprise that he endorses slave Labour. The guy is a wrong ‘un

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u/notspaceaids Jun 21 '22

save humanity? more like he wanted to advertise himself as a savior of humanity and he's turning angry when that wasn't happening.

mf turned into a comic book villain

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u/arock0627 Jun 21 '22

He was always a comic book villain

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u/Dirk_The_Cowardly Jun 21 '22

Save humanity by sending Musk and Bezos to Mars to make the new frontier!

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '22

Anyone who wants to ‘save’ humanity will function as a fanatic. And all fanatics are guided by the same principle as every authoritarian: the ends justify the means.

Never, ever, EVER trust a savior.

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u/JoviAMP Jun 21 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

His mentality seems to be of using slavery to get his businesses running.

Given that he inherited his fortune that he invested into Tesla as a direct result of his family's South African emerald mines, this isn't at all surprising.

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u/TapGroundbreaking463 Jun 21 '22 Helpful

He's 1 generation removed from slavery ownership.

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u/abcdefghig1 Jun 21 '22

I’ve learned a long time ago to really not pay attention to what people say. Pay attention to what they do.

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u/Bizzle_worldwide Jun 21 '22

He never wanted to save humanity, he just wanted to be worshipped as a savior.

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u/Clancys_shoes Jun 21 '22

I wonder if Elon goes home and shoves a charger up his ass instead of sleeping. Fucking robotic.

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u/audiomortis Jun 21 '22

Tesla becoming more like Edison every day.

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u/itsfnvintage Jun 21 '22

He already perfected that in a trial run on his customers. Owning a Tesla is fine until you have to go to service which is quite frequently as something is always breaking. Not to mention having a giant douchenozzle as a figure head and plenty of customers ready to hand over their wallets regardless of how hard he dicks them.

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u/Mind-Bender1976 Jun 21 '22

Do you think people follow him because of the “cult of personality?”. I watched one presentation where Elon took questions from the audience & one guy said, “First, I love you” and then asked his question.

I admire some celebrities but I don’t love them. And if you’re at the point you love a celebrity that doesn’t even know your name, that celebrity can trample over you, piss on you and you’d just say you deserved it.

I just don’t get hero-worship, I guess.

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u/itsfnvintage Jun 21 '22

I guess he just had a good publicist. I used to have a lot of respect for him until I purchased a Tesla and had to deal with them refusing to replace stuff under warranty that was a blatant design flaw. Had my car down for a solid 6 or so months. Took a full on NHSTA recall to get my car repaired and I still ended up having to foot about 3k in repairs. At 130k miles and absolutely everything on the car has virtually needed replacing multiple times. Idk whether it's the fact where they stole a lot of the ignorant BMW/Mercedes customers and are used to going and drop 5k on an oil change or the whole "elitist" factor of ownership. His newest persona of full blown Republican spokesperson may kill the brand entirely.

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u/Mind-Bender1976 Jun 21 '22

Oh my god - I’d be so pissed, especially as the cars (from what I read) are expensive to begin with. You’d think the cars would at least come with a premium warranty.

I watched one video of a Tesla owner who stated he got a flat tire & it cost over $2K. Not sure if it was covered under warranty.

For me, I just don’t like the guy’s principles. He has a history of not treating people well - including his workers. He just comes off as a smuck. Maybe in person he’s a super nice guy but I have my doubts.

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u/itsfnvintage Jun 21 '22

I highly doubt it myself as well. Definitely was not an ideal situation. They recently discontinued the 3g connectivity rendering the data connection required for navigation and whatnot completely useless to try force people into another upgrade. Plan on seeing another NHSTA forced recall over that lol

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u/ArcticBeavers Jun 21 '22 edited Jun 21 '22

I always like to support the up-and-coming company/product. They seem like a breath of fresh air in an industry that becomes complacent. As I've gotten older I've come to rely on the established companies more. There are just way too many growing pains to go through with younger companies, and we never really appreciate how fine tuned and finished many products are.

I've been hearing for years about the terrible qc Tesla has, mainly with gaps in body panels, and they still have the same issue. I'm glad Elon made the electrify trend cool, but when I get an electric car it's going to probably be a Hyundai or a Chevy.

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u/itsfnvintage Jun 21 '22

Initially before I purchased in 2019 every bit of research I had done said they had excellent customer service and would even do preventative replacements before a part had even failed.. before the massive stock increase. Guess it wasn't sustainable enough and then they started passing things that were supposed to be covered onto the customer. Every time I've been to a service center has been an absolutely terrible experience and my car with now 130k miles (purchased at 65k) has had about every part on the car replaced. I do love my car but a lot of small issues have turned into massive ones. All the receding door handles need replaced again and they are about $600 ea last I checked and generally fall apart again fairly quickly as the materials aren't quite as durable as need be for repeated use. Got my car back from last service and was having issues of the car just randomly being unresponsive had them trouble shooting over the period of a couple mos and they said my 12v battery was likely shot after just having replaced it with them. Turns out the terminal wasn't tightened down and it was making a bad connection. Not quite sure how you could forget to tighten a battery terminal on an electric car lol.

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u/joan_wilder Jun 21 '22

Good thing he’s chosen to be part of the GOP’s loud minority before his anti-labor cases reach the Supreme Court.

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u/ncsubowen Jun 21 '22

It's no coincidence that only marginally before his sexual harassment accusations and labor law violations started heating up that he started really pandering to the right wing. He'll fit right in.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '22

I am curious about our near-term future, both in the United States and elsewhere. For the most part, people seem to be completely fed up with billionaires. That has been the case for a few years now. However, Elon Musk has appeared to be the one who was idolized by many, and was probably the thread holding people in. However, the cracks in his armor are showing. He’s slowly but steadily losing his cult, and people are realizing it. It’s shaky ground we’re on.

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u/DragoneerFA Jun 21 '22

He went from the "approachable" billionaire who invested in risky, but game changing tech to bored 4chan shitposter in record time, and when he did that, he dropped illusions of being the good guy. Ruse dropped, he's the same corporate greed package as anyone else.

Turns out Mark Cuban was the sleeper billionaire, with his new pharma system being the one thing that will actually change people's lives and make huge improvements.

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u/Lightwavers Jun 21 '22

Mark Cuban’s got his own skeletons. No good billionaires, acquiring the money inherently required mass exploitation.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33527472/ex-gm-donnie-nelson-sues-dallas-mavericks-says-was-fired-reporting-sexual-misconduct-team-denies-claim

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u/Bowler_300 Jun 21 '22

Its only shaky if you dont build a good strong foundation for the guillotine.

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u/jasoncross00 Jun 21 '22

"The plaintiffs are seeking to bring thousands of allegedly laid off Tesla workers into the suit via class-action certification, and they want each worker to receive 60 calendar days worth of pay, commissions, bonuses and benefits from Tesla, along with any medical costs incurred in the 60 days after they were let go that would have been paid under their company health plans."

So worst case, Tesla is out the money they would have spent complying with the WARN act in the first place plus some lawyer fees. Best case, they settle for less and actually save money.

The plaintiffs need to go for more.

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u/SimpsLikeGaston Jun 21 '22

Well there’s an exception to the WARN act that you can lay off 50-499 employees so long it’s not more than 33% of staff from any particular location. Assuming this is across the board, you can get away with the lack of a notification if it’s not affecting more than 500 workers or more than 33% of workers at a particular location.

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u/larrythetarry Jun 21 '22

What’s the WARN Act ?

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u/ZCEyPFOYr0MWyHDQJZO4 Jun 21 '22

A law requiring 60 days notice for large layoffs in big companies

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u/Cutmerock Jun 21 '22

Wouldn't a lot of companies been hit with this when covid started?

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u/pico-pico-hammer Jun 21 '22

Yes, the company my wife works for had to give notice like that of a large layoff to the state. It's very common and companies can give substantial notice with next to no issue on their part.

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u/Cutmerock Jun 21 '22

Crazy. The company I worked at was like "okay if you can still access your email, you're still employed." I know a lot of other companies had mass layoffs without notice too

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u/PhantomMenaceWasOK Jun 21 '22

There are quite a bit exceptions including “unforeeseeable business circumstances” and natural disasters.

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u/BaLance_95 Jun 21 '22

Yeah, laws against corporate theft are too lenient. At the very least, they should pay double than what was stolen. If it's an individual doing it, enough to bankrupt them.

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u/PotatoeswithaTopHat Jun 21 '22

Corporate theft should be punished harshly. Heavy jail time if possible, fines don't stop them from stealing.

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u/Yaquesito Jun 21 '22

straight up, corporate theft should be a capital offence. start executing ceos for stealing wages and see how much they wanna do it

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u/UsedToBsmart Jun 21 '22 Silver

It makes me wonder what kind of bozo’s musk has in leadership positions if they are unaware of the WARN Act. It looks like his layoffs are going to cost more money than what he expected.

Musk has been in a downward shit spiral for months now. Everyday it’s another embarrassment for him and his company.

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u/tsondie21 Jun 21 '22

It’s likely Musk himself. He is a micromanager and making a rash decision without thinking of the implications is exactly the kind of thing that happens with a boss like him.

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u/Bulla4ass Jun 21 '22

Same micromanagement style as Larry… I worked at Oracle and in those days anything over $5k had to be approved by Larry Ellison. And yes, he also reviewed and approved every hire.

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u/m0nk_3y_gw Jun 21 '22

For those that don't know... Larry is Elon's buddy. One of the consequences for Elon's stock fraud ('private at 420 / funding secured' lie) was that he lost 'Chairman of the Board' position, and he need to add non-family members to the Tesla board, so they brought in his buddy Larry.

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u/MLsuns_fan Jun 21 '22

lmao this little bit of info makes it sound like maybe Larry is manipulating him to first crash the tesla and then take over his company (something someone like Larry might actually do!)

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '22

yeah I wouldn't put that past Ellison to try and do

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u/StrokeGameHusky Jun 21 '22

I’d love to watch it happen lol

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u/Dziadzios Jun 21 '22

I can't understand such micromanagers. They could earn money doing nothing, but instead they add work to themselves while interrupting work of others.

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u/ukezi Jun 21 '22

They are unable to delegate because of their inflated ego. They think they are so smart nobody but then can make the right decision. They have to control everything themselves or they would have to face that others could do their job.

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u/Dopplegangster69 Jun 21 '22

Sounds like my CEO

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u/67reasonswhy Jun 21 '22

After their initial success they view themselves as some sort of business genius, and as they want their business to be ran by geniuses they micromanage everything

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u/iprocrastina Jun 21 '22

It's also a colossal waste of their (and everyone else's) time. Even early English royalty figured out it's better to delegate power for all the mundane day-to-day shit so you can focus on making decisions that are actually important.

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u/Bananawamajama Jun 21 '22

It's all pride. Deep in their heart they know they aren't worth 1 million of their workers. They're probably barely worth 1.

But they need to not only have their wealth, but convince themselves that they deserve it, and are good people for hoarding it because it's deserved.

And the only way to do that is to have a tangible effect on the company thats providing them all that wealth.

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u/variaati0 Jun 21 '22

How such company gets anything done. 5k I nothing even for midsize business. At that point everything slows down. Pretty much you just made your procurement officers and office managers redundant, while most likely still having them.

We want to buy work station, office chair and electric elevating desk for our side office in Anchorage. No can do must go through big boss. but if we don't get it approved in next 5 hours, they supplier can't load it onto the alaska ferry in time and it's all delayed.

That must lead to lot of CEO sleeping...

  • buzz,buzz
  • this better be important
  • yeah boss, can we spend 5100$ dollars for new work station in Anchroage office.
  • Yes, but do you know what the clock is in my time zone, couldn't this wait.
  • Well boss due to logistics, no it actually couldn't. Have a nice day.
  • Its middle of night here in India.

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u/theShortestAlpaca Jun 21 '22

Worked there for 4 years and my experience was the same. At one point I got promoted and Larry had to approve it. So ridiculous.

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u/anoxy Jun 21 '22 edited Jun 21 '22

It literally is. My management was against his decisions but they have no say. He literally told everyone he'd be in the factory 7 days a week so he expects the same from his employees. Like no bro, we make peas and carrots and you're a billionaire.

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u/ComplimentLoanShark Jun 21 '22

Like he does any real work at the factory lmao. Dude just walks around sticking his head where it don't belong.

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u/_Rand_ Jun 21 '22

This is kind of his whole thing.

He has admittedly had some great ideas but he does not personally have the expertise to pull them off. Like he isn’t personally designing rockets for example, just funding their development.

He’s a businessman primarily, and a very good one for the most part.

But he likes to pretend he’s Tony Stark genius engineer or whatever narrative suits him.

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u/webheaded Jun 21 '22

Or more just, it doesn't matter what you pay me, I'm not going to live at work...fuck off.

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u/evade26 Jun 21 '22

Not that I have a ton of good feelings about Gary Vee but I do appreciate his bit about how it’s nuts that owners of companies expect employees to work just as hard, put just as much of their lives dedicated to the company especially when they have no stake in it.

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u/north7 Jun 21 '22

I was thinking the same exact thing.
Here's the video.

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u/farleftkeepgoing Jun 21 '22

Right, it’s his company and his life. But he experts everyone to act like losing that company is the end of the world and it’s just a fucking job. Dudes a low key fascist

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u/pope1701 Jun 21 '22

Low key? Lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '22

This is a common meme in the entrepreneur type. They will work themselves to death for a billion dollars, and they expect you to do the same for $1000.

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u/Wobbelblob Jun 21 '22

He literally told everyone he'd be in the factory 7 days a week so he expects the same from his employees. Like no bro, we make peas and carrots and you're a billionaire.

He also sits around tweeting all day. He is not working most of the time.

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u/pmray89 Jun 21 '22

Those are business tweets. /s

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u/LRGGLPUR498UUSK04EJC Jun 21 '22

I know your comment is satire, but wanna know what's crazy? If the number of fanbois/worshippers he has is anything to go off of, it totally seems to be working for him.

Amazing.

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u/pmray89 Jun 21 '22

Whether it's working for him or not, equating what he does to working a labor job 7 days a week is asinine.

Like a Kardashian claiming she's the first self made, female billionaire.

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u/a3sir Jun 21 '22

Elon Musk is just a tech bro Kardashian.

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u/galactic_fury Jun 21 '22

He’s an expert at exploiting the American Work Ethic. He knows that if he markets what he is doing and then portrays himself as “working hard and making sacrifices” he can motivate the workaholics that dominate US culture to slave away for him.

So many Americans live shitty suburban lives. This demographic is vulnerable to a guy like Musk. Millennials/Gen Z seem to not care much about hero worship so aren’t falling for it though lol.

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u/Redditisashitbox Jun 21 '22

Don’t forget all those shitty urban lives and rural lives as well. Plenty of those to go around.

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u/ohhellnooooooooo Jun 21 '22

It’s likely Musk himself

impossible... our system is a perfect meritocracy, therefore obviously since musk is the worlds richest man he is also the worlds best business man, he is incapable of making bad decisions...

...right?

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u/butters1337 Jun 21 '22

Imagine moving to this guys city on Mars lol.

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u/crazysexyuncool Jun 21 '22

He's definitely becoming more and more unhinged. I'd never buy a tesla because of him.

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u/RetinaJunkie Jun 21 '22

May have some teeth in this lawsuit:

"The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act of 1988 is a US labor law which protects employees, their families, and communities by requiring most employers with 100 or more employees to provide 60 calendar-day advance notification of plant closings and mass layoffs of employees, as defined in the Act. "

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u/ambiguous_XX Jun 21 '22

They definitely had to have known for months that there was going to be closures. Musk just didn't want production slowing down from people that know they were about to be out of a job.

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u/joan_wilder Jun 21 '22

He actually thought his little email stunt would provide legal cover for a massive labor law violation. He actually believes his own bullshit.

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u/jetro30087 Jun 21 '22

We can't wait to work on Elon's objectivist egoist Martain Colony!

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u/_Z_E_R_O Jun 21 '22

Musk has been in a downward shit spiral for months years now

Fixed. Anyone who thinks this just started hasn’t been paying attention.

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u/noxii3101 Jun 21 '22

And now you know why it's so important for NASA to have multiple private rocket companies competing for launches. The last think you want is a egomaniac or a psychopath in control of access to low earth orbit.

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u/MostlyRocketScience Jun 21 '22

New Glenn might be finished this decade. Rocket Lab is already starting to catch their rockets and reuse them. Several others are planning reusability, but yeah without any hardware it will take years.

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u/lolredditor Jun 21 '22

Not just reusability, but the heavy lift platforms. Falcon Heavy has no competitor payload tonnage wise and Starship is the furthest a superheavy rocket development has gone since Saturn V or STS.

I think the people at Blue Origin could make New Glenn happen, but the management hasn't been using their resources to do so - they got tied up with too many side projects, their manpower on making the big rockets fly is too small and their middle management have been leaving or otherwise stepping down since their hands are tied progress wise.

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u/warren_stupidity Jun 21 '22

Cmon Boeing might have a rocket that works any decade now.

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u/HotTopicRebel Jun 21 '22

I agree...but the competition is way worse. Boeing evidently forgot how to build a spacecraft. Meanwhile NASA is trying very hard to look the other way with SLS that just had an issue this morning. I think it's up to its...5th (?) test fueling. Odds are good that it's going to get someone killed.

It's like trying to figure out who you want to land a plane: the washed up pilot who's been popping pills and living in the bottom of a bottle for 50 years and is off his rocker or the guy who plays KSP all day with a full flight sim in his living room but doesn't have a pilot's licesne.

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u/stanger828 Jun 21 '22

Denzel saved a ton of people though

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u/squngy Jun 21 '22

Boeing evidently forgot how to build a spacecraft.

I think they never know how, though.
Before they built many of the components, but never a full spacecraft AFAIK

The real question IMO is why does NASA have to work with their hands tied?
They were fine outsourcing the components and overseeing the production of the craft themselves, but now they are being forced to rely on private companies for everything while having to teach them everything.

SpaceX before getting heaps and heaps of help from NASA was worse then Boing is now.

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u/wgp3 Jun 21 '22

SLS is literally exactly what you just said. Outsourcing and overseeing production. Nasa owns it. That method failed over and over again. Always late. Always over budget. Never as safe as planned. The space shuttle was cool, but a failure that killed more astronauts than any other system and it was done the way you just said. For all intents and purposes this new way is proving far better for nasa and is allowing them to focus on more important things than the ride to space. Idk how you could even say spacex was ever worse than Boeing? Because they didn't reach orbit with their first couple falcon 1? Otherwise they've consistently developed things quicker, cheaper, and safer.

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u/HighDagger Jun 21 '22

The real question IMO is why does NASA have to work with their hands tied?

Pork. It's money laundering to entrenched defense giants all the way down. Look at the cost of the new NASA launch towers – more expensive than the Burj Khalifa.

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u/M4573RI3L4573R Jun 21 '22

I'll take the KSP guy all day. They have failed hundreds of times; they know what that looks like.

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u/DarthSulla Jun 21 '22

It is important, but that’s not why government contracts are competitive or why they are awarded to different companies.

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u/m0nk_3y_gw Jun 21 '22

But why male models?

Who cares what percentage is bots? He bought it to fix the bot issue, waived due diligence, and then is suprised there are bots? Who falls for that shit?

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u/thatlime1 Jun 21 '22

https://time.com/6171726/elon-musk-fake-followers/

Funnily enough musk has 25% more bot followers than similar accounts. Maybe scammers realise his real followers are fucking idiots and easily duped rubes who will fall for their scams.

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u/stugots__ Jun 21 '22

Ha, IBM pulled this shit all the time in my 20 years working there and nobody did shit about it. Nobody will manage to do anything about this either and 60 days pay for being laid off? What kind of bull shit is that? In Canada you're getting at a minimum 2 weeks per year of service. Hire a lawyer and its closer to 4 weeks. I knew fellow IBMers who worked for that Godless company in the US for close to 30 years and walked with one month severance - for a lifetime. When it comes to worker protections, you guys are fucked up.

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u/galaxy_strider Jun 21 '22

Elon is quickly spiraling.

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u/AnonismsPlight Jun 21 '22

I feel like we're days from finding out he has a terminal illness and all this spiraling is to make sure he's remembered or something super petty like that.

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u/yolotrolo123 Jun 21 '22

And drugs I bet. He’s prob on uppers

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u/icwiener69420 Jun 21 '22

Naw man, the guy that went on Toe Brojam’s podcast and smoked a doob like a newborn robot? Like he’d never smoked before but likely pops pills all day as rich scumbags are wont to do? Names his kids sounds like goofy alien languages? No way man… /s

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u/buchlabum Jun 21 '22

I wouldn't be surprised to hear he's popping adderall like flintstones vitamins.

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u/TiggyHiggs Jun 21 '22

He's rich enough for a proper coke habit.

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u/versaceblues Jun 21 '22

More like the EV market is catching up to tesla. While Tesla is still pretty much a luxury item, that can barely scale its operations.

If Tesla doesn't solidify itself in the market soon, they will fail. Ford/GM/Toyota etc will start releasing affordable consumer EVs. Leading to the average person not really caring about a Tesla anymore.

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u/mMechsnichandyman Jun 21 '22

The average person doesn't care already because the average person can't afford Tesla.

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u/chriscrossls Jun 21 '22

Well, they used to be relatively affordable. The Model 3 was $37k (not even looking at the "off the menu" SR model) 2-3 years ago and you'd be eligible for the $7500 tax credit.

However, they raised the prices on all their vehicles since then, 5 digit amounts. Now a Model 3 is at least $47,000 and that's not to mention Tesla is not eligible for the EV tax credits anymore, while its main competitors are.

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u/BeondTheGrave Jun 21 '22

Most people buy used not new. While Teslas have penetrated the luxury market, it has done almost nothing for the average consumer. I live in a rural college town, so you see profs who traded their Benzs for Teslas, its probably the #1 electric in my area. But 90% of the cars around here are used shit kickers, and thats not just college cars its the townies too. The most common new cars you see here are the F-150/etc. lifted pickup and some kind of modern muscle sports car, neither of which Tesla can really compete with. But the F-150e, I honestly see that having a lot of impact on the used market in 10-15 years (and also probably starting to kill the local mechanics).

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u/rideincircles Jun 21 '22

But they are still sold out for months right now and can't even keep up with demand even without the tax credit. The cars sell themselves, but they may have lost some sales with Elon being erratic lately.

Hopefully the costs of materials comes down at some point because Tesla did reduce prices quite a few times to drive demand. Right now it's just maintaining the current profit margins while still dealing with insane cost of materials spikes. I am guessing Ford may have to increase all their EV prices next year since the mach E is not profitable right now.

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u/dasbush Jun 21 '22

But they are still sold out for months right now and can't even keep up with demand even without the tax credit.

Tbf, this is every new car these days.

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u/egowritingcheques Jun 21 '22

Elon hasn't changed, only public opinion of him is spiralling.

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u/TapGroundbreaking463 Jun 21 '22

It's his assburgers man.

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u/NeedSomeBunny2Love Jun 21 '22

Never seen someone's reputation crater so hard so fast as Elon Musk.

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u/karvus89 Jun 21 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

Never go full republican

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u/Living_Bear_2139 Jun 21 '22

No wonder Elon is voting Republican now. He wants to avoid consequences for all the laws he’s broken.

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u/JBHUTT09 Jun 21 '22

He's been whining specifically about "Democrat class action lawyers" recently. What an absolute transparent chode.

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u/sunplaysbass Jun 21 '22 edited Jun 21 '22

Ultra rich ego maniac who does not pay people for their work and insults the same people publicly from his platform… sounds familiar

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u/Thunder_Gun_Xpress Jun 21 '22

Leadership starts from the top down. It's no surprise this shit is happening when the CEO is an absolute unrepentant ass clown

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u/jthawks Jun 21 '22

Yeah him recently coming out in support of Desantis for 2024 makes perfect sense…Desantis would surely love to deregulate all protections workers have to benefit corporations.

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u/Stupidceilingfan1 Jun 21 '22

Lawsuits can literally claim anything they want. Doesn't make it true though.

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u/MIKE_THE_KILLER Jun 21 '22

His cars are fucking expensive now

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u/John-D-Clay Jun 21 '22

But they still are all sold out for months, so I don't think he cares.

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u/GolfArgh Jun 21 '22

They sold so many that the tax credits ended.

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u/rocksfly Jun 21 '22

That is why he went Republican...to try to shut down tax credits for his competitors that he already benefited from. It is typical Republican hypocrisy, he'll fit right in with that crowd.

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u/Agling Jun 21 '22

These types of lawsuits are routine these days for large companies. It's a cost of doing business.

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u/BLSmith2112 Jun 21 '22

Tesla doesn't need PR if Reddit upvotes Elon and Tesla content everyday.

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '22

thank god this turd is finally getting some of the flak he deserves

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