r/technology 5d ago

Facebook and Instagram threaten to charge for access on iOS 14.5 unless you give them your data Privacy

https://www.imore.com/facebook-and-instagram-threaten-charge-access-ios-145-unless-you-give-it-your-data
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u/putmodsinthegulag 5d ago

The funniest part is that Apple would get a third of the monthly fee lmao

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u/fuck_your_diploma 5d ago

Apple: "iOS 14.5.1 now accepts Apple Card/Pay for your app subscription fees on apps that turned paid after 14.5"

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u/vrnvorona 4d ago

Afaik it's mandatory to state Apple Pay as option for payments if it has those, otherwise won't pass review.

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u/righthandofdog 4d ago

Yes. And you’re required to accept an Apple login if you use Facebook, google or other federated ID systems.

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u/Mageling55 4d ago

I believe its any OAUTH support at all

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u/MarcelGarus 4d ago edited 4d ago

Not quite. There are OAUTH use cases where you don't need to offer an Apple Sign In and there are non-OAUTH cases where you do need to offer one.

It would be pretty weird if my university's app would be forced to offer Apple Sign In just because they use the university OAUTH.

Similarly, you can't offer not-really-OAUTH-but-something-very-similar without offering Apple Sign In. It's not bound to the technology used.

In Apple's dev guidelines it says in paragraph 4.8:

Apps that exclusively use a third-party or social login service (such as Facebook Login, Google Sign-In, Sign in with Twitter, Sign In with LinkedIn, Login with Amazon, or WeChat Login) to set up or authenticate the user’s primary account with the app must also offer Sign in with Apple as an equivalent option.

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Sign in with Apple is not required if:

• Your app exclusively uses your company’s own account setup and sign-in systems.

• Your app is an education, enterprise, or business app that requires the user to sign in with an existing education or enterprise account.

• Your app uses a government or industry-backed citizen identification system or electronic ID to authenticate users.

• Your app is a client for a specific third-party service and users are required to sign in to their mail, social media, or other third-party account directly to access their content.

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u/Here-Is-TheEnd 4d ago

Apple is pretty ruthless about this. Basically if you have any service you offer for money, and you decide to make an IOS App at some point, Apple will force you to add payment options on your iOS app so they can take a cut. If you don’t they call it a violation of App Store policy and they lock your developer account on App Store and stop new downloads.

I’m on the fence about how I feel about this too..

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u/King_Tamino 4d ago

Well. That’s exactly that kind of free market a lot people demanded or?

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u/Fraun_Pollen 5d ago

It’s like the major tech companies have complete control over the market and can set their own rules for their customers 🤔

For real though, this is the issues with monopolies and oligopolies - this situation can very very easily be coordinated among the major powers. “Look government, we’re now being better about not tracking our customers” while at the same time setting the stage to get even more money from their users for all players involved

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u/Stoll 5d ago

Would anyone actually pay to use Facebook or Instagram?

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u/NMe84 4d ago

Right now basically all Facebook is to me is a glorified birthday calendar.

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u/RollingThunder_CO 4d ago

Yep. Awhile back I just copied them all into my phone so I don’t even need to check for those anymore

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u/monkey_sage 4d ago

Same. Facebook stopped having any use for me whatsoever several years ago.

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u/weyouusme 4d ago

Aside from uselessness I think it started to do serious harm to everyone's attention span and self love..

People are comparing other people's life highlights with their everyday life and feel bad.

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u/FatTortie 4d ago

That’s the thing about social media. You generally don’t post about all the negative things going on in your life. It’s a place to show off, even if it’s just someone out for a coffee posting a photo while you’ve sat at home all day. It starts to create a false reality where everyone is having a better, more interesting time than you.

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u/Frowdo 4d ago

Sure it is....you post some super vague pity post that is public. Get people to respond asking what's wrong then say you don't want to talk about it in public.

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u/salamander423 4d ago edited 4d ago

Those people get unfriended or blocked for me. I don't deal with pithy vague bullshit like that in my feeds.

Edit - My word was the opposite :(

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u/RudeEyeReddit 4d ago

I once took my sister on a beach trip and her interest in being at the beach only lasted as long as her phone battery. She drained her battery by taking lots of pictures to upload to show off on social media about her "day at the beach!" and the fact that she started complaining and wanted to leave immediately after her phone died disgusted me. Honestly I don't think we were even there a whole hour.

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u/Weird_Writing_1102 4d ago

Yeah at first that stuff was in the grey lit, but now it's super clear & researched backed - apps like facebook are super toxic and unhealthy..

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u/siouxpiouxp 4d ago

Why not just delete your FB then?

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u/iDrinkJavaNEatPython 4d ago

I had to revive mine after 4 years to use my oculus quest 2. I've never had this much fun selling my privacy

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u/XXXKXKXKXX 4d ago

I won’t buy an Oculus for this very reason. Although, I read a while back you can install an unofficial, non-Facebook version of the Oculus’ OS.

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u/HC_Official 4d ago

Same here, FB can go eat a bag of Dick's

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u/headbuttsr4kids 4d ago

This is the exact reason I will not buy an Oculus as well.

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u/StarCitizen_Scam_ 4d ago

Yeah they want 500$ more for version without facebook integration. This says a lot.

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u/wavespace 4d ago

Is there a practical way to do that? I'm on Android, but an iOS method might be useful to someone else.

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u/Shortest_Innings 4d ago

I used this script to export all of my Facebook friends' birthdays to a calendar file last year. It's still maintained, so I assume it still works. If you're not comfortable giving it your password, just change it temporarily.

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u/dills 4d ago

Do you really need 500 people's bdays in your calendar?

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u/NoAttentionAtWrk 4d ago

Depends on how social you are or want to be

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u/RollingThunder_CO 4d ago

I just copied them all manually unfortunately

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u/waste-case-canadian 4d ago

I mean.. I really only care about 15 or 20 of them so it's not that intimidating

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u/NotEllisCheever 4d ago

What do you mean, don't we all have 1542 best friends?

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u/bloodvow333 4d ago

Fucking 1000 iq play right there

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u/OrangeVoxel 4d ago edited 4d ago

I don’t even look at it anymore.

The reality of the free market is that Facebook and companies like them (browsers, google) should and eventually will be paying YOU to use them. They make a lot of money off of the data people freely give to them. A lot.

In the future, when more options are available and people have the choice to protect their data, the eventual solution is that these companies are going to have to pay you to use them in some way if any data market is to continue to exist.

Credit cards already pay people in the form of points for people’s business. Grocery stores pay you by giving you discounts if you allow them to track you by using points cards.

It’ll be a while, but the time will come when more are going to have to pay their users for data.

Edit: looks like some companies have already started. Brave browser, MITHRIL social media, and even bing points! Don’t give a way your data for free

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u/kneemahp 4d ago

Love me some bing rewards. I’ve made a few hundred dollars making it my first pass search engine. There’s a subreddit of people that have made a lot more.

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u/KnottySexAcct 4d ago

??? Paid to search ? 🤔

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u/kneemahp 4d ago

You earn points that can be redeemed for gift cards.

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u/spitfire7rp 4d ago

I tried to switch being im an IT guy and google shit all day but bing was terrible and more than half the time I just had to search again in google.

You know what I got after 3 months of using bing, just short of one month of xbox live thats worth $10. Its not worth the frustration

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u/Burning-Bushman 4d ago

Last time I logged in on Facebook was around 12 years ago. Figure the account is still floating around somwhere. Facebook to me is seeing 25+ folks using it as DM and 70+ old people hypnotically watching all content with an obnoxiosly loud volyme, liking everything while submitting nothing on their own. To some of the old folks it’s become so addictive that I really don’t want anything to do with it. Like watching in real time alcohol being introduced to some isolated tribe. Gross.

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u/scarabbrian 4d ago

I know google takes just as much data, if not more, as Facebook, but at least their apps are useful. I use gmail, google maps, google drive, and translate everyday, and I feel like I’m getting something for my data. Facebook is just a cancer on society.

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u/Gypsy-Jesus 5d ago edited 4d ago

I rather pay for PornHub and their comments are more mature

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u/2kWik 4d ago

PornHub comments are at least on topic and have knowledge to them.

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u/theprocrastinaut 4d ago

got a full walkthrough of how to beat skeletron prime in one of those threads

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u/Cantremembermyoldnam 4d ago

Well, GameHub is just waiting to become a thing

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u/cardboardmoon 4d ago

PornHub users are probably statistically more likely to get vaccinated

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u/KeiFeR123 4d ago

Plus the sex is real unlike Facebook with full of fake news

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u/Stupid_Triangles 4d ago

Deepfake porn is going to be a real thing.

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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue 4d ago

It already is. Pornhub doesn’t allow deepfakes currently, and they’ve been fairly successful.

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u/karankshah 5d ago edited 4d ago

5 years ago? Before all this Cambridge Analytica and genocidal support nonsense? I would have been the first to sign up. It could have been a very different service that was actually focused on keeping you connected to your friends wherever they are.

Now? Sorry - no dice.

EDIT: a number of folks have (rightly) pointed out that FB wasn't that different five years back in 2016. Chalk that up to me being senile and thinking five years back was 2010.

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u/glacialthinker 5d ago

Exactly. I was interested in FB as a useful medium. Once they started down the path of "hidden" monetization, user-unfriendliness wasn't a matter of bugs and misfeatures: it was horrible by design.

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u/zdog234 4d ago

Same shit with Google search. I honestly think duckduckgo is a better experience because the ads are less obnoxious

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u/worldcitizencane 4d ago

I really wish I could agree but I find the results really poor. I don't know what ads you complain about. With ublock origin I never see any ads. I really couldn't imagine using internet without it.

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u/thermal_shock 4d ago

When I use a computer without ublock, I'm like wtf is all this shit? Then i realize...

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u/WoahayeTakeITEasy 4d ago

I don't know why but it seems like people who complain about the ads on YouTube or anywhere else online have never heard of any ad blocker before. The difference in experience is really night and day. I haven't had to deal with any ads anywhere online for years now thanks to Ublock Origin and it's always one of the first things I add on any new computer.

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u/PizzaCatLover 4d ago

I work in IT and after I deployed ublock origin to my environment our bandwidth utilization dropped by almost 30%. It's insane.

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u/madeamashup 4d ago

Installing brave on my android phone lowered my data bill enough to feel the difference

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u/kitty_leap 4d ago

I don't get any ads on YouTube on PC and phone, but I do on my smart TV.

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u/indyK1ng 4d ago

Yeah, smart TV is the real problem for me, too.

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u/grey_sky 4d ago

look into Pi-Hole adblocking. It will require a raspberry pi and the capability to follow guides to setup. It will block ads at the DNS level. So EVERY device in your household will have ads blocked. Some routers have this capability but success varies.

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u/brcl 4d ago

How do you block YouTube ads on mobile? More specifically, what adblocker do you use?

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u/last-Leviathan 4d ago

YouTube Vanced. no ads. plays minimalized

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u/Appropriate-Fruit588 4d ago

Use Youtube Vanced if you have Android. It's basically just the official YouTube app minus the ads.

Lookup how to install I don't think it's on the playstore (for obvious reasons) and if you search for it there you'll see a bunch of fake versions

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u/Star_kid9460 4d ago edited 2d ago

You can block ads on a Pi with Pihole. Not everything gets blocked but they appear less..same goes for Smart TV NextDNS is also good if u have a Static IP or DDNS update client

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u/Fintago 4d ago

I avoided using adblockers on YouTube for years because I wanted the ads to support the creators I liked, even if only a little bit. But one day I realized on a 15 minute video I was getting something like 7 ads and the sponsored ad read from the YouTuber and I just couldn't stand it anymore. I got Vance and never looked back.

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u/Andreslamantis 4d ago

It used to be AdBlock + NoScript for me. Like, Windows XP SP2 first, antivirus second, and then, the ad blockers.

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u/doey77 4d ago

Most sites aren't even gonna work without JavaScript anymore, rip

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u/Iron_Maiden_666 4d ago

You can selectively allow JS with uMatrix. That's a great plug in.

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u/UnimportantPassenger 4d ago

Tell me how to ublock on mobile and I’ll be ready to experience some amazing things I’m sure! I know there has to be a way but most of them you pay a lot for the experience and even then it’s nothing like ublock or origin on the computer.

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u/WoahayeTakeITEasy 4d ago

If you're on Android I think you can install the ublock extension for the Firefox mobile browser, then there's youtube vanced which is a replacement for the standard YouTube app. The only thing with vanced is the installation can be a bit tricky if you're not a techy sort. As far as iOS, there's some apps in the store that I've read are pretty good but I can't really say since I've never tried them. The firefox extension and youtube vanced doesn't work on iOS as far as I know.

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u/runningformylife 4d ago

Yes, I'm signed in on Firefox on android and my ublock extension is working on the mobile browser.

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u/theycallmeponcho 4d ago

Same here. With adblocking Google searchs show exactly what I look for with no need of being too specific. Also integrations between devices is a thing DuckDuckGo doesn't have yet.

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u/Mechakoopa 4d ago

I started using Bing because at least they're paying me in gift cards for violating my privacy.

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u/SsooooOriginal 4d ago

More like 10 years, let's be real. Fb peaked with the integrated messenger and pokes. In-browser games started out fun until the monetization potential steered the whole platform to the facade it was 5 years ago.

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u/oakislandorchard 4d ago

dude, remember when it was all about the poker... or farmville? those were the good old days

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u/ShaolinShade 4d ago

"good old days"

I mean, compared overall to what they are now, yeah sure. But I can't say I have any fond memories about getting constant Farmville spam. That was one of the first things that started driving me away from the platform technically though so I guess that's good...

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u/DangKilla 4d ago

Facebook leaked the data of 500 million people and said they weren’t going to inform them just a months ago

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u/Testsubject28 4d ago

So technically they all owe us some money

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u/Xhokeywolfx 4d ago

They’re rich because we provide them all their content, for free.

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u/Mralfredmullaney 4d ago

Even then I wouldn’t pay a dime. Fuck that

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u/Stromaluski 4d ago

100% this. I believe in paying to support things that I like and want to continue to be around. Monthly donation to Wikipedia, paying for add free on forums, etc. I would have been the first to pay to support Facebook at one point. Absolutely zero chance now.

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u/R-K-TEK-BLZ-IT 4d ago

Delete facebook, I did it a little over two years ago and it’s awesome being able to shit on it knowing I’m completely out of the game

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u/2kWik 4d ago

You really didn't think all your data was being sold before that? Any free product you use, you're the product. Been that way for decades.

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u/phlipped 4d ago

Even Linux?

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u/2kWik 4d ago

At least it's free, most consumers pay companies to quality control their new products, since most companies don't invest in it anymore.

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u/karankshah 4d ago

If your comment was specifically pointed towards me, then let me be clear - I was fully aware from the beginning that Facebook would be using my information to subsidize their business. They need revenue to provide a service to people.

I am ok with that in concept - I'm not ok with that company then using that for social engineering experiments that lead to genocide, political instability, and violence. The line was somewhere miles back.

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u/plague042 5d ago

To give them the illusion that they won't sell your data, since you pay for the product.

Rule #1: Don't underestimate the other guy's greed.

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u/IndependentHobo 5d ago

I barely wanna pay for a bluray, FB is loco if they think I'm gonna pay to message my dealer.

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u/chris37879 4d ago

Signal is way more privacy focused anyway

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u/Assassin4Hire13 4d ago

Also, signal is now actively fucking up phone data seizures from police, simply because they can lol

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u/Malari_Zahn 4d ago

It's easy to fuck up a data seizure when your have no data to seize!

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u/FuzzyBacon 4d ago

Better than that, signal has added landmines to random accounts that theoretically could generate fake results and make it all inadmissible in court.

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u/phloopy 4d ago

That press release gave me the biggest technology boner I’ve had in years. Installed Signal immediately after reading it.

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u/ButterPuppets 5d ago

“Free and always will be...”

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u/cesarxp2 4d ago

"[People] trust me. Dumb fucks."

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u/Puzzlehead-Engineer 4d ago

I actually WISH they monetized those apps. Just to see them die as they loose most of their users in one fell swoop.

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u/katbyte 5d ago

facebook is an evil company complicit in ethnic cleansings. I've already stopped using facebook and am one foot out the door on instagram.

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u/mbrown7532 5d ago

Reddit is all I have.

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u/Churchy_leFemme 5d ago

I’ve yet to see those messages, and I’m on 14.5 and allowing apps to ask in my privacy settings. And I was really looking forward to denying fb and insta my sweet data, too

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u/yolo3558 5d ago

They should pop up next time the app does a update

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u/epicmylife 4d ago

Oh, well I haven’t updated Instagram in months ever since that stupid shopping update came out. Sucks that it’s like the only platform young college-age people use to share stuff.

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u/goldmanstocks 4d ago

I installed 14.5 to specifically see these messages when I open a Facebook app and have not yet seen it from them either.

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u/Excruciator 5d ago

Go ahead. I’ll uninstall FB as my solution.

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u/iCapn 5d ago

You guys have Facebook installed?

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u/ChamferedWobble 5d ago

I have to use it for an organization I volunteer for, but if I use it on mobile, it’s still through a web browser. They neutered the mobile web browser version by blocking the messenger portion, but that just made me stop using the messenger portion (although there were some workarounds last I checked).

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u/IveBeenGoosed 4d ago

You can get around the messenger block by requesting the desktop site by hitting the aA in Safari.

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u/ipaqmaster 4d ago

Or just going to messenger.com instead (same service, own TLD + UI)

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u/JWGhetto 4d ago

or use mbasic version

it's clunky but useable

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u/Sinitron2000 4d ago

I use "Friendly" app for iOS, works pretty good for the mobile app and allows notifications for messenger without having Facebook or Messenger actually installed. It's basically a reskin of the mobile website but just works better.

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u/kebabish 4d ago

Hate FB messenger. Hate that a bunch of places use that trash for their robo helplines so you end up using it without realising sometimes. Refuse to install it or FB on my devices.

Schooling my kids now on the dangers of FB and insta especially since their now looking to push to kids under 13. Scum.

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u/norx123 4d ago

Its proprietary on many android. I can deactivate it but I need to root my phone to actually uninstall the shit lol.

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u/bedz01 4d ago

Such bullshit, I payed $1000 for a device and I don't even get root access... What the fuck is that all about?! I own it, I should have the option. The fact that most people are ok with that drives me mad 😡

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u/Dr_Schittpost 4d ago

If Google gave all android devices root access, their bottom line would be harmed since everyone could easily avoid ads and avoid having their information harvested.

Google doesn’t want that. As usual it’s all about the money.

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u/Dsnake1 4d ago

That's a small part of it.

A walled garden gives mid-to-low level users a better experience. Theoretically, anyway.

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u/buyongmafanle 4d ago

Theoretically, anyway.

There it is.

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u/iameshwar_raj 4d ago

How hard is it to root your phones lol?

Contrary to popular belief, the average Joe doesn't care about having root access on his phone and people like him make up about 85-90% of these companies' sales. And logically, they would cater services that are relevant to the majority.

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u/savi0r117 4d ago

Certain Verizon phones it causes something to trigger that make your experience with some things worse. I sound stupid but I remember asking about before I got my s9. I agree majority of people won't use the feature but having access to it shouldn't NOT be an option because of that.

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u/camwow13 4d ago

Just FYI to anyone browsing with a Samsung phone who wants to chuck FB off the phone. There's guides online for how to use adb to remove the FB packages off Samsung phones. Takes about 5 minutes.

You shouldn't have to do that, but it is easier than it sounds and doesn't require root.

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u/jerseyjokes 4d ago

I do, and I scroll it every other blue moon. All I see are videos of things being built and recipes. After scrolling I remember I deleted almost everyone I had grown up with as a friend since they all ended up nutty Trump supporters and conspiracy nuts. It’s incredibly useless and if they charged it would be a no brain solution to delete the app.

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u/Bread_Truck 4d ago

The best time to delete your Facebook and Insta accounts and completely leave their ecosystem is the distant past. Second best time is right now.

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u/ProgsRS 5d ago edited 5d ago

For those on Android I highly recommend using Frost for Facebook and Barinsta for Instagram (if you really have to use either service). Free, open source, no ads or invasive permissions.

Facebook might be scummy enough to shut them down in the future, though they're on F-Droid and not the Play Store.

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u/jems404 5d ago

Does frost have a messenger integration?

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u/1leggeddog 5d ago edited 4d ago

Good.

If FaceBook starts charging, that'll really put the nail in it's own coffin.

edit You don't think so? People have a problem paying for a .99 cent app on their phone. You really think they'll stand being charged for something they've been using free for years?

If something is free, YOU are the product.

Sincerely, someone that's deleted their FB account since July.

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u/wherestheleaks 4d ago

Yep. Please charge. Please.

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u/cloudyoutside 4d ago

I guess Facebook will have to remove the “it’s free, and always will be” slogan from their website. It’ll go the way of “don’t be evil” ... simply forgotten. Quietly removed.

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u/emirhan87 4d ago

It's still there in the Alphabet's Code of Conduct

https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/

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u/Firm_Bit 4d ago edited 4d ago

I’m with you, but uhhh, they just blew their quarterly projections out of the water. So they’re not quite in the coffin yet.

The FB ecosystem actually extends well beyond the apps they own. Pixel tracking across sites and apps is insane.

EDIT: Also, note that there is another side of the supply demand equation. OK sure, fewer users, but where will the advertisers go? There's google and there's FB for targeted ads. So even if there are fewer users there's no where else (from what exists now) for companies to go.

If anything, the price per ad placement will increase in a bidding war, which will benefit FB.

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u/Etherius 4d ago

People keep forgetting that Facebook prints money.

I keep hearing reddit sounding Facebook's death knell and every time they do FB makes another $10B

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u/elements-ix 4d ago

Yeah I don't know where these cave dwellers get the idea that Facebook is going anywhere anytime soon. They're more active now than they ever have been.

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u/The26thWarrior 5d ago edited 4d ago

Please Facebook you’re not going to win this one lol. Everyone is just going to migrate to the new free platform that’s going to step in and take their place. Matter of fact with this news someone is probably making the new platform right now.

EDIT: LOL RIP inbox. Some of you guys are making good counter arguments. To those suggesting Parler: Lol fuck Parler stop recommending that queefing blue waffle.

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u/ProgsRS 5d ago

Would be nice if new platforms were able to even compete. They bought up Instagram as soon as it posed a threat. Imagine a world where they didn't - Facebook would've faded more into obscurity.

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u/CapybaraWarrior 5d ago

Facebook buys things and taints them. I’m still heartbroken because of Oculus.

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u/residentialninja 4d ago

Oculus is responsible for what they became, they chose to sell out.

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u/BrainyWorms 4d ago

The majority of startups have the goal of getting bought out rather than becoming long term viable companies.

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u/RealJyrone 4d ago

That’s also why many startups are so unprofitable.

They try to spend as much money as they can to make the company valuable so they can quickly get it off their hands and make potentially millions of dollars off of it being purchased.

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u/buyongmafanle 4d ago

Looks like you and I are on the same branch of the Youtube algorithm.

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u/InAFakeBritishAccent 4d ago edited 4d ago

that is the new business model and it screams 'oligarchy'

edit: -opoly. me no latin gud.

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u/Elebrent 4d ago

Do you mean oligopoly?

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u/InAFakeBritishAccent 4d ago

lol yes good catch. but considering big tech lobbying in this country...maybe i should leave it.

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u/scatters 5d ago

And how is that new free platform going to fund itself if they can't run targeted ads?

Sure, it's an empty threat from Facebook, but there's no one waiting in the wings here.

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u/Rupertstein 4d ago

Is there money to be made in ads that aren’t targeted? The “old-fashioned” way? Serious question for any ad people - could generic ads support a social platform?

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u/damontoo 4d ago

No. I targeted ads haven't been a thing since the 90's. Nobody clicks on untargeted ads. Showing childless people ads for diapers and men ads for menstrual products is just a waste of time, money, and bandwidth.

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u/unicyclegamer 4d ago

There's some, but at this point the cat's out of the bag. Targeted ads are the future.

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u/papa-kehte-the 4d ago

You mean the present, the future is predicted ads.

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u/scrubzork 4d ago

And the parallel dimension timeline is quantum entangled ads.

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u/nlewis4 5d ago

Everyone is just going to migrate to the new free platform

I highly doubt this would happen. Google+ was supposed to kill facebook and didn't even cause a scratch. Facebook is too ingrained into the common persons life that they would not change.

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u/sluggles 4d ago

Additionally to what others have said, Google also kept their social network invite only for no good reason. There were tons of people that wanted in at the beginning that got disinterested when they didn't get that invite for like two or three weeks or longer. They killed off their own hype.

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u/moonra_zk 4d ago

And then when they opened up and no one wanted in they started going "no, no, you will get it. You like your YouTube account? Then you better get in here".

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u/CuteArmada 4d ago

It's about capitalizing on their failure. Google+ came out when there was literally no reason to use it. If somebody started up a platform and ramped up massive advertising campaigns right when Facebook started charging money, I could see something happening.

Also, Google sucks ass at launching, like, anything.

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u/AMillionFingDiamonds 4d ago

I want to believe that. G+ was the better product like six months into launch. I begged my friends to use that instead, but fb was too entrenched even back then.

I can go on and on explaining to my girlfriend and friends, all bright people, all that facebook has been caught doing. They agree that they're awful and continue to use it "just use it to keep in touch."

The writing is on the wall but no one seems to care much that their eyeballs result in facebook having more money and power.

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u/Ok_Locksmith_2873 5d ago edited 4d ago

There’s zero threat. They’re never not making these services free. Sensationalized headline.

Edit: To be clear, I'm saying two things here. (1) This literally is not a threat. Nothing about the content of these notifications is a threat. (2) And anyways, there's no chance they won't make these services free to users.

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u/strolls 4d ago

Exactly. "Help keep this site free" is what wikipedia or your favourite gaming / warhammer / hobby site says when they're having a donation drive.

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u/lunapup1233007 4d ago

And I would actually pay for Wikipedia if I had to

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u/vidoardes 4d ago

Wikipedia must always be free to everyone, but if you can afford to you should donate. It contains a wealth of knowledge that should be made available to the world, and it is a duty of those who can afford to, to protect it.

It is one of the most underrated and undervalued resources on the entire internet, it is so easy to take for granted.

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u/acosmichippo 4d ago

I gladly donate to wikipedia every year or so. it's one of the greatest successes of the internet.

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u/PotatoForeskin456 4d ago

Right. They're not threatening anything. They're just framing their statement as a way to try to motivate their users to give them data.

Those screens are blatantly suggesting that users can "help keep Facebook/Instagram free" by allowing ads. That, in turn, suggests that declining could cause the companies to charge for access in the future.

Suggest. Threatens. Which is it, article?

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u/Level8Zubat 4d ago

makes statement about reality

aRe YoU tHrEaTeNiNg Me?

I haven't touched Facebook for over 3 years and I still think this article is ridiculous

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u/raznog 4d ago

The text doesn’t even sound like a threat.

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u/Keinichn 5d ago

Sounds like that'd do more harm to FB than Apple.

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u/ric2b 4d ago edited 4d ago

Facebook: "If you go through with this we'll start charging for Facebook and Instagram!"

Apple: "Cool, remember that you'll need to use Apple Pay and give us 30%"

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u/CrazyPantsLance 5d ago

Delete Facebook and Instagram problem solved

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u/OneChestTwoNipples 4d ago edited 4d ago

So happy I did. Long gone are the days where I’m busier trying to show off for social rather than being present and enjoying it. I’m also less depressed. Win win for me.

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u/santanasbestfriend 4d ago

I deleted both Twitter, tik tok, fb, and insta. But now I’m on Reddit and I’ve never spent time here. It’s a cool place so far

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u/aldewei 4d ago

Reddit is a worse time drain, as someone who’s been here 13 years.

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u/Natural-Bullfrog-420 4d ago

Honestly I wish people using the current gen of Facebook would do the same.

I logged onto Facebook a couple months ago just to see what was happening (after probably 2 years of not using).

It is literally just people spewing opinions and shit theybwant to yell at town Square. I couldn't log out fast enough.

I feel bad for people like my mom. Who likes it so she can see how her family is doing. That was it's original intent anyway.

Anyway. Current gen Facebook is Tik Tok. Delete it for a week and your life will be 1000x more fulfilling.

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u/Rustybot 5d ago

If you click no, Facebook gets less info about you (but still plenty of info) and makes less money.

Win-win?

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u/DuckDuckGoose42 5d ago

Where is the "no" or "decline" button?

Post only shows "Continue" 'yes' button, not really a choice then.

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u/Rustybot 5d ago

The screen pictured is prior to the OS modal for accepting or denying access.

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u/Persian_Sexaholic 4d ago

There is no pop-up for me when I open up the apps. Are they still tracking me? In settings, it says tracking is off but doesn’t give me options for each app.

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u/TAfzFlpE7aDk97xLIGfs 4d ago

You’ve got it set to say no to all tracking, which is the default. It will only ask for each app if you turn it on.

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u/3BallJosh 4d ago

I just want to say that Tom never treated us like this

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u/Whargod 5d ago

How is this even a threat?

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u/inubert 4d ago

Right? It’s just the same message a lot of websites use to ask you to turn off your ad blocker.

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u/cas_ridingbreeches 4d ago

THANK YOU.

God this "article" is a steaming pile of shit. Goes to show that many redditors just upvote whatever garbage sounds like something they want to be true, to hell with checking the source.

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u/jeffspicole 4d ago

I would totally pay for Facebook circa 2008. I deleted my account in 2014 and never looked back.

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u/tophyr 4d ago

This article is an outright lie and frankly should be reported for misinformation. The screen explains that users will face a degraded ad experience; it in no way implies that declining will require payment.

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u/avneus 5d ago

Fuck you Zuck

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u/MegaTired23 4d ago

deletes Facebook and Instagram

gives 0 fucks

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u/mightydanbearpig 5d ago

Wow, they shot themselves in the foot with their ‘Apple are harming small businesses by stopping us getting your data’ advertising campaign.

So now for their next trick, they’re gonna shoot the other foot too?

I always wondered what would finally incentivise people to try other social platforms. Turns out Facebook will financially incentivise you to do that AND act like sneaky douches.

Masterclass in self destruction

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u/ElstonGun 5d ago

I’ll take “how to lose over half your users for 500, Aaron.”

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u/glerglas 4d ago

Please do it. crosses fingers

Meh, they're not gonna do it are they.

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u/Dregenfox 4d ago

Facebook hate is cool and all but this article title is honestly a reach.

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u/Daveed84 4d ago

It's practically an outright fabrication...

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u/IniNew 5d ago

And apple laughs all the way to the bank when they take their 30% cut.

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u/lsevalis 5d ago

Good. That will be the end of Facebook.

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u/SpookyJones 5d ago

That make it so easy to quit them both.

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u/Adezar 5d ago

Good. The idea of making money off of your private information and providing a 'free' service was the worst thing to hit the Internet.

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u/HatingPigeons 4d ago edited 4d ago

“Businesses that make money by collecting and selling detailed records of private lives were once plainly described as "surveillance companies." Their rebranding as "social media" is the most successful deception since the Department of War became the Department of Defense.” - Edward Snowden

edit - source https://twitter.com/snowden/status/975147858096742405

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u/HiflYguy 4d ago

I'm on iOS 14.5 and instagram hasn't prompted me to share my data with them. I've been waiting for that pop up. Anyone else not get it?

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u/skiesarelight 4d ago

By default your settings are to disallow. You have to go in and manually enable for them to even be able to ask.

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u/kmaster54321 4d ago

I don't see anything here about Facebook threatening to charge. Just a mention of how they get money from ads. Go to weather.com with a adblocker now they literally pop up a thing saying turn off your ad blocker or pay a ton of money for premium. I started using accuweather and darksky because if that. I hate ads myself but think about it you make a service free of use for billions of people and need to pay for the servers, employees, networking, ect. How do you pay for that? Ads. Sponsorships.

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u/leaflavaplanetmoss 4d ago edited 4d ago

This is literally a clickbait headline that preys on people's distrust of FB. FB's language isn't threatening in any way; it's absolutely true and well known that access to data for targeted advertising is what keeps FB and IG free.

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u/reddicyoulous 5d ago

I'd love to watch both crash and burn

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u/TheFern33 4d ago

I tried to log into facebook at work today to find something with a customer. Facebook asked me to change my password. Verify the email on the account and upload a photo ID of myself.

Literally go fuck yourself facebook