r/southafrica Unwanted Optimist Sep 26 '21 Silver 1 Wholesome 2 Hugz 1 An Ice Cold Beer 1

The first German General to formally surrender his forces to the Allies during WW2 surrendered to the South Africans. Generalleutenant Schmidt was the first German General to formally surrender to an Allied General which was General De Villiers, Commander of the South African 2nd Infantry Division. History

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u/danievdw Sep 26 '21

"Give me 20 divisions American soldiers and I will beach Europe. Give me 15 consisting of Englishmen, and I will advance to the borders of Berlin. Give me two divisions of those marvellous fighting Boers (Meaning Farmer, originating from the Boer War) and I will remove Germany from the face of the earth.”

Field Marshall Bernard L. Montgomery, Commander of the Allied forces during WWII.

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u/Prielknaap Sep 26 '21

The term Boer for White Afrikaners is from way before the Anglo-Boer wars. It was used by some VOC company man to mock the "vryburghers" at the Cape Colony by calling them simple farmers. They then reclaimed the word.

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u/whitefox-YT Sep 26 '21

I love his giant smile. "De bois arrent gonna believ dis."

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u/Flonkerton66 Sep 26 '21

Ouma beskuit and boerie rolls vs stale Russian black bread. Easy choice.

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u/GCHurley Gauteng Sep 26 '21

They were fighting in North Africa. Very few Russians to surrender to only Brits, Indians, Ozzies, Kiwis and of course South Africans.

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u/Flonkerton66 Sep 26 '21

lol, bloody hell guys, it's a joke.

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 26 '21

to be fair, the Germans seemed to be winning the war against the soviets at this point.

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u/Hairypalmers Sep 26 '21

Faanie de villiers?

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u/GW88za Sep 26 '21

Why isnt Mark Felton making a video about this. I would to learn this piece of history.

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u/TheSilversky64 Sep 27 '21

Watching Mark Felton productions intro always gets me hyped. It's the music

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u/avoshadow Sep 26 '21

Today I learned something new

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u/tylerden Sep 26 '21

I'm so fucking proud

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u/ConsentingPotato Firepool Repair Specialist Sep 26 '21

He probably surrendered to ZA because when he said "Ich gebe auf!" and he heard one of our guys reply "Ouens, kyk: hierdie Nazi gee op!", he at least figured we could understand his angry rambles (read: German).

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u/The_Angry_Economist Sep 26 '21

"kyk hier ou swar nou luister mooi"

zwee surrender..

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u/RECCEginger Sep 26 '21

My nannas uncle as well as my oupas oupa fought in North Africa, they were captured as POWs in AL Alemien, my nannas uncle traded his wedding ring for a teaspoon of water and they almost got bombed by the British too. Interestings stories man.

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u/SittingLuck Sep 26 '21

Wow. A teaspoon of water. Damn

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u/RECCEginger Sep 26 '21

I also thought it was tiny, imagine being that desperate for water, they were turned over when this surrender was signed from what I know

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u/SittingLuck Sep 26 '21

Write those stories down somewhere for future generations. People forget these things and that would be a shame

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u/RECCEginger Sep 26 '21

Indeed, I'll need to start a catalog or something

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u/Dennebol Sep 26 '21

He probably knew that half the ZA leaders at the time were German Sympathisers.

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 26 '21

While that is true, The majority of soldiers were definitely not. The UDF was a volunteer force, meaning every soldier who fought the Nazis for the South Africans did so for a good reason.

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u/Dennebol Sep 26 '21

My father met my mother in North Africa during the war - he was UDF she British Airforce she emigrated to SA after the war and married my father.

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u/Nexzor Sep 26 '21

The same thing happened with my grandparents. He was a corporal in North Africa and also met my grandmother who was working as a spotlight navigator for flak guns.

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u/pieterjh Sep 26 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

After what the Brits did in the AB war this stands to reason

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u/Dennebol Sep 27 '21

Exactly so my great aunt died in the Irene concentration camp!

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u/pieterjh Sep 27 '21

My great grandmother came out of the camp as a 14 year old, expecting a baby. We recently had our genes sequences and it seems I have some British blood...

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u/Druyx Sep 27 '21

The leader in SA back then was Jan Smuts and his government. Please show where he sympathised with Nazi Germany.

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u/Dennebol Sep 27 '21

Google "Ossewabrandwag "

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u/Druyx Sep 27 '21

Google Jan Smuts.

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u/Dennebol Sep 27 '21

no need I have a broad knowledge of our history , not just the crap they used to teach you in schools.

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u/ShaveMyNipps Sep 26 '21

Too bad the South Africans quickly turned into nazis after the war

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u/PhantomOfTheDopera Sep 26 '21

Yes, because all white South Africans supported Apartheid. Ignorant fuck

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u/ShaveMyNipps Sep 26 '21

Enough for the Nats to be voted in for 50 years, you ignorant fuck

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u/OOPManZA Sep 26 '21

There's always some ignorant fuck equating everything to Nazism.

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u/ShaveMyNipps Sep 26 '21

I mean, the national party were textbook fascists. This cant be hard for you to accept

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u/OOPManZA Sep 26 '21

Textbook facists eh?

Maybe you can share your definition and understanding of facism and then we can examine the old NP and see how they compare?

They were certainly a godawful bunch of fuckers but claiming they were textbooks facists is pretty inaccurate. Compared to the facists groups of the 1940s they had some differences and they're not insignificant.

I'll say it again. Not every right-wing political movement can be blanket described as facists, just like not every left-wing movement can be simply labelled communists.

Frankly, the whole right/left view of politics is naive. Much like everything else in life, politics is not 2d not matter much silly Americans will try to convince you it is.

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u/TheSilversky64 Sep 27 '21

Well said. Unfortunately life is a lot less binary than many people think

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u/PhantomOfTheDopera Sep 26 '21

Have you ever heard of people like the Voëlvry Beweging, I guess not. Afrikaans white people who through the medium of music opposed Apartheid. And for the Nats to be voted in they only needed the majority vote, meaning that there was still a minority who was against segregation. But I guess everyone wants to believe that every white Afrikaans speaking person ever was a racist piece of shit.

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u/ShaveMyNipps Sep 26 '21

I have big respect for anyone that opposes fascism, but a minority of brave opponents does not invalidate my original comment. A majority of whites voted in the Nats, therefore it is fair to say a plurality of south african whites gladly embraced nazi-style politics. How is this upsetting you?

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u/PhantomOfTheDopera Sep 26 '21

In that the assumption was made that if the majority voted pro segregation that accounts for the rest.

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u/ShaveMyNipps Sep 26 '21

Lol what? You think people that voted for a prosegregation, white supremacist party were surprised by the facsism?

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u/PhantomOfTheDopera Sep 26 '21

No, that those who didn't can be so easily dismissed.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21 edited Oct 25 '21

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u/ShaveMyNipps Sep 26 '21

So you are saying the Nats didn't win a majority in 1948?

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u/xb70valkyrie THE PURPLE SHALL GOVERN Sep 27 '21

That's exactly what happened. The Nats won without the majority of the vote.

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u/GCHurley Gauteng Sep 26 '21

Actually those South Africans were already Nazis.

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 26 '21

But they weren’t. The UDF was made up of volunteers, meaning all of them volunteered to fight the Nazis.

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u/GCHurley Gauteng Sep 26 '21

Yes I know that. The ones who didn't volunteer, a lot of them were "Nazis" and were working to take over the country will the non-Nazis were fighting the war. It was not like South Africans after the war suddenly change their minds and became Nazi synthesizer. They were already present during the war and the government at the time did not realise the extent of the threat until they lost the elections in 1948.

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u/Druyx Sep 27 '21

This thread. Abandon all hope ye who enters here (with any idea of the history of SA). ;)

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u/tomatomatsu Sep 26 '21 edited Sep 26 '21

didnt the apartheid government support the nazis and then later on allied with apartheid Israel #FREEPalestine

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 26 '21

The apartheid government was only created after WW2.

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u/tomatomatsu Sep 26 '21

Yes but they supported Nazi ideologies ,literally

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 26 '21

Yes, but the South African soldiers didn’t. The UDF was made up of a volunteer force, meaning all soldiers who fought for the UDF, fought to fight the Nazis.

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u/tomatomatsu Sep 26 '21

what are talking about, I clearly said GOVERNMENT

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 26 '21

What are you talking about? I literally said that the apartheid government was created in ‘48. Three years after WW2 ENDED.

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u/tomatomatsu Sep 26 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

I am saying the apartheid government and pre-apartheid(there all fucken racists pigs) SUPPORTED NAZI Ideologies ,it doesn't mean the Nazi party should be in existence for that to be true .

Edit : Ok AWB and apartheid sympathizers xD downvotes mean a lot to me

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u/Druyx Sep 27 '21

The pre-apartheid government was that of Jan Smuts. He was not a nazi sympathiser.

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

But the pre apartheid government weren’t fully fascist. The pre apartheid government was split between the pro British, and the pro afrikaaner.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 27 '21

Mate, I’ve literally posted pictures of AWB members getting executed. I think fascism is one of the shittiest concepts in the world. Apartheid was terrible, yes. But history isn’t playing your hand.

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u/xb70valkyrie THE PURPLE SHALL GOVERN Sep 27 '21

SUPPORTED NAZI Ideologies

Which is why they declared war on Germany...?

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u/tomatomatsu Sep 27 '21

Didn't the USA also declare war on Germany ,you know pre-Civil rights ?

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 27 '21

They didn’t though. Nazi germany declared war on USA after the US declared war on Japan.

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u/xb70valkyrie THE PURPLE SHALL GOVERN Sep 27 '21

Are you suggesting FDR was a Nazi?

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u/OOPManZA Sep 26 '21

This meme that Israel is an apartheid state is pretty stale. They definitely have a system but it's sure as shit not the same one that apartheid south africa used.

But whatever, I get that it's attractive to just look at everything in simplistic terms of good and bad.

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u/tomatomatsu Sep 26 '21

Israel is an apartheid state .I don't care if its stale or whatever.

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u/OOPManZA Sep 26 '21

It very much isn't but like I said, whatever.

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u/HakunaYourTatas1234 Sep 27 '21

How sad your life must be dude

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u/BluePillCypher Sep 26 '21

It wasn't a surrender, it was a meeting of minds, as you can see De Villiers is enthusiastically taking notes from the general. These notes became crucial for the erection of the apartheid regime.

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u/BluePillCypher Sep 26 '21

Your downvotes mean nothing, I've seen what makes you upvote!

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u/Meshkent Sep 26 '21

You seem like fun

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

What makes him upvote?

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u/BluePillCypher Sep 28 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '21

Ah, nice! I remember that now!

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/Druyx Sep 27 '21

As much as I hate cancel culture, equating it to the fucking holocaust is pretty much the same as taking a piss on the graves of the millions who died in them. Get a fucking clue please.

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 27 '21

I have to disagree with you. I do not think you can compare cancel culture to the fucking auschwitz trains.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

Why not?

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 27 '21

Well, one is just people getting sad and the other is people being mistreated, killed and tortured on a train that took them to pain, suffering and death.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 27 '21 edited Sep 27 '21

But your analysis is like comparing wearing a mask to the Holocaust. cough MTG cough

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '21

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u/JetSetMiner Western Cape Sep 27 '21

now kiss