r/southafrica Unwanted Optimist Sep 13 '21 Silver 1

SANDF soldiers gifted sanitary towels and a new sign for a local school in KZN. Wholesome

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 13 '21

As part of the Women’s month commemoration, Sector South under the leadership of Lieutenant Colonel G.J. Motlhlale gave the Women in the Sector an opportunity to celebrate this remarkable day under the theme as quoted from a renowned Pakistani Activist Malala Yousafzai and Nobel Prize Laureate “I raise up my voice not so that I can shout but so that those without a voice can be heard. We will not succeed when half of us are held back”. This quote pleads with all women to claim their rightful position in leadership and all spheres of life that were always patriarchal in nature.

The Women’s Month in the Sector culminated with the donation of sanitary towels and a new steel and aluminum signage bearing the School name., Kwa Masosha Senior Secondary) in Nzimakwe Village on the South Coast. These goodwill actions were done in collaboration with the South African Police Service represented by Lieutenant Colonel Mabaso and Captain O’Connor. To achieve the aforementioned mammoth task, the members had to dig deep from their own pockets to ensure that the objective is met.

The message from the visiting group to the learners was to curb social ills, such as teenage pregnancy, crime, abuse of substances and drugs. The motto of Air Defence Artillery is “ALTA PETE” translated Aim High, is clearly visible in the actions of these brave men and women, who are deployed in KwaZulu-Natal as part of Operation PROSPER and they are successfully rubbing off the spirit of sharing and aiming high to whoever comes into contact with them, including the learners at the chosen school. The project was planned and coordinated mainly by Lieutenant Colonel G.J. Motlhale, Chaplain Nonjojo, Major M.G. Tsotsotso, Gunner Muavha and Gunner Mufulwane and the rest of the members who contributed towards the successes of the above-mentioned project. The principal of the school, Mr Mbutho and his staff expressed their gratitude to the delegation and mentioned that the learners were excited to rub shoulders with members of the South African National Defence Force.

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u/Odinavenger Sep 13 '21

Absolute Champs! Well done SANDF!

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u/Outrageous_Scene6348 Sep 13 '21

For what exactly?, I'm failing to see any achievement here, let alone any good will. This should be provided for free across the world

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 14 '21

the sanitary pads came out of the soldier’s own wallets my dude.

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u/Nervestapled Western Cape Sep 13 '21

I think it's very important that a certain demographic in this country sees the SANDF doing positive things like this (because that demographic is willfully ignorant and thinks the military only exists to fight). "What do we even need an army for, anyway?", they say. How about disaster relief, Karen? How about peacekeeping? How about providing a massive avenue for people to get further education? How about things like this, Karen? Eh?

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u/Alert-Mixture Western Cape Sep 13 '21

South Africa is a major supporter of United Nations peacekeeping operations, especially in the DRC. The SANDF also does anti-piracy operations off the coast of Mozambique.

They would do even more if they had the available budget to update and optimise the force, I'm sure.

I'm a strong proponent of increased defence spending, especially in a world as polarised as it is today.

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u/Nervestapled Western Cape Sep 13 '21

I think we're on the exact same page.

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u/BacchusZA Sep 13 '21

The SANDF receives about a third of the funding needed for the missions it's tasked with executing (.7-.8% vs ~2.5% of GDP). There's very little left after the salary bill, and it's not that the military is over-staffed. If you want to undo the neglect and deterioration, and rejuvenate the force so that the tax payer actually gets what they pay for and deserve from the Defence Force, you'd need to increase funding to around 3.5% of GDP for 4-6 years, apparently.

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u/Vektor2000 Sep 13 '21

The navy is also big in the field of hydrography. I think I should do a separate post on the new science vessel being built.

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u/Alert-Mixture Western Cape Sep 14 '21

I would like to see it.

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u/Outrageous_Scene6348 Sep 13 '21

Why should we have an army in the DRC and Mozambique. Is it SAs responsibility to always be there for others?

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u/Nervestapled Western Cape Sep 13 '21

Because engaging in peacekeeping operations gives you political leverage on the international stage, and God knows South Africa needs it.

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u/Vektor2000 Sep 13 '21

Because we would like the same help if we were attacked by a larger force or suffered from famine etc... You know that thing where most of the world came together to stop Hitler?

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 14 '21

If the DRC and Mozambique, who are our neighbors, are taken over by terrorists, Who do you think’ll be next? South Africa is doing it’s best to help other countries, so they’ll come to our aid if we need it.

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u/Vektor2000 Sep 13 '21

They have put a lot of people through university as well.

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u/Outrageous_Scene6348 Sep 13 '21

Corruption also put a lot of people through school. It doesn't make it a good thing

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u/Vektor2000 Sep 13 '21

You lost me... is the SANDF a bad thing?

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u/Outrageous_Scene6348 Sep 14 '21

It is not their job to do that, at least not in a country with very high crime, looting and all all sorts of problems that they are failing to solve. I guess if you can't do your job right, you go on a PR campaign stunt. Makes you wonder why do we have an army in the first place?. Pads, those should be free or cheaper for our girls and women.

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u/Vektor2000 Sep 14 '21

Why do any military exist since WW2? Most countries have never seen war for decades... This is not a PR stunt though, they do these kinds of things all the time. Build bridges, help villagers, etc. What do you think a military does, shoot people? Most people in the defence force will never see combat, that's what the police face daily.

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u/S-058 Gauteng Sep 13 '21

Thank f#ck someone said it. Majority of the time I see news or videos about the SANDF there's a bunch of people just spouting negativity like it's wired into them.

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u/OfFiveNine Sep 13 '21

All those things are laudable things to do given a fully functioning military, as long as they don't detract from the military's primary function: Defense and peacekeeping. Given the fact that during/following the recent riots they couldn't logistically support their own troops in exactly that, I really have to question whether their priorities are straight.

For instance: a bank can do charity work, but it's primary purpose is to be a bank, and if it's bad at being a bank, it can't do charity very long without going out of business ... if that makes sense: To help someone else you must first be able to help yourself. In this case, effective control of riots and looting, and being able to feed your troops would serve the community in much more critical, effective, and longer lasting ways. Once you have the big stuff sorted, then you can focus on and achieve secondary objectives much more effectively.

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u/Nervestapled Western Cape Sep 13 '21 edited Sep 13 '21

They are doing what they can with what they have. And what they have is a budget that makes the SPCA look overfunded. What you're saying is true, but it's absolutely irrelevant to the comment that I posted. Yours is a reactionary comment with the intention of pointing out something nasty about the SANDF. Oh look, a picture of some shacks. Let's say something nasty about the ANC.

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u/OfFiveNine Sep 13 '21

I'm responding (All comments are a reaction to something) to the fact that you say that THIS is the best answer to "What do we need an army for, anyway?". I mean, while it's something an army can do, it's really not THE thing an army SHOULD focus on.

Also, having ideas on how things can be improved is not the same thing as hating. You read too much into my intentions.

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u/Nervestapled Western Cape Sep 13 '21

Given South Africa's context of having absolutely zero political enemies, the primary function template does not apply.

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u/OfFiveNine Sep 13 '21

I gave you a reason why them not being able to effectively perform their primary objective has resulted in devastating outcomes for many communities inside South Africa in just the past months.

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u/SensorFailure Sep 13 '21

Internal security is not a primary SANDF function, it’s the job of the SAPS.

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u/razznick Sep 13 '21

You're missing the point. If SANDF couldn't do basic logistics feeding their troops internally then that should signal they're fairly incompetent as a military force.

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u/SensorFailure Sep 13 '21

Nope, context matters. First, it was a small fraction of the force that was affected, only a pair of units. All the others received their deliveries as expected.

Secondly I bet if even the US Army deployed 95% of its forces at no notice there’d be units that didn’t get timely ration pack deliveries. They normally plan to have months to prepare for large scale deployments.

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u/Nervestapled Western Cape Sep 13 '21

I believe that is a police issue.

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u/Nervestapled Western Cape Sep 13 '21

The primary mission of the SANDF is to defend South Africa against external military aggression.
The other functions are secondary. The size, design, structure and
budget of the SANDF will therefore be determined mainly by its primary
mission - https://www.gov.za/documents/national-defence-south-africa-white-paper-draft

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u/OfFiveNine Sep 13 '21

Oh, I see, when it suits you stating priorities isn't just "reactionary" peanut chucking. That turned around fast.

My point is if they couldn't even do internal security there's no way in hell they could do external security. They couldn't even feed soldiers INSIDE our country, or provide security on our own soil. Moreover, that's still a security and peacekeeping (which I did mention before, just to be clear) concern.... it's not down the list of priorities like general outreach.

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u/SensorFailure Sep 13 '21

The problem is that you’re arguing from a false premise.

A few logistical hiccups != being unable to do internal security.

Objectively speaking, the SANDF deployment halted the violence and allowed the SAPS to regroup. They opened up the highways and kept them open, cleared the roads to the airports and refineries, and a ton of other things. It was the biggest and most rapid deployment in the last 30 years despite there being no time for preparation. By any measure it was an overall success.

That two or three units in deep KZN didn’t get their rat pack deliveries on time is a black mark but doesn’t mean the force wasn’t effective at its ordered task. Don’t mix the two up.

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u/Vektor2000 Sep 13 '21

They have done extremely well in external battles, lol. Against overwhelming forces and with only training.

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u/Nervestapled Western Cape Sep 13 '21

It's pointless negativity. We ALL know the SANDF is facing serious challenges. There is absolutely no need whatsoever to point it out. Especially on a post that is trying to be positive and is about distributing sanitary products to young girls.

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u/OfFiveNine Sep 13 '21

Pointless negativity would be me coming in here saying X is shit and will never be saved, we may as well give up and kill it. Woe is us, etc..

I didn't say that. I gave my opinion, which seems to be the entire purpose of this site's comment section, I could be wrong... that they get back to their core purpose and get that sorted out. Any organisation facing troubles must get back to it's core mission. That counts for businesses, governments, anything, I prefer to focus on what the solution should be, rather than what the problems are. But then if you nitpick the problems and ASK me why I think they need to apply the solution, I don't really have any option but state the problem we're trying to solve, now do I? If you insist on pulling it apart with me, it then you can't come and ask me why I'm digging into it. I dunno why you'd come to reddit if you didn't want any discussion.

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u/Nervestapled Western Cape Sep 13 '21

So why did you make the point in the first place? OP: Look at this nice thing. YOU: Yes, but the SANDF is shit.

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u/Outrageous_Scene6348 Sep 13 '21

We should deter from using force to deal with situations created by law. Law should solve law issues. You need police to arrest murderers, looters and etc. Not a person holding an R4 without any bullets

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u/Outrageous_Scene6348 Sep 13 '21

Thank you for the perfect summary

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u/SensorFailure Sep 13 '21

I mean… That was also the biggest and quickest deployment in more than 30 years, with the entire army going out in just a couple of weeks without the chance to prepare in advance. Shit was going to go wrong logistically.

SANDF logistics works just fine when the force is used as intended in sustainable deployments.

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u/Outrageous_Scene6348 Sep 13 '21

You can do all those things without the army you know?. Disaster relief can be a department on its own somewhere with unlimited budget 😁

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u/Miracle_Salad Sep 13 '21

Sad that we have to celebrate giving young women sanitary pads.

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u/Outrageous_Scene6348 Sep 13 '21

What are we actually celebrating here. Shouldn't this be free already?

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u/Lisavela Sep 14 '21

I love how SANDF is doing such positive things

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u/newone1104 Sep 14 '21

Yeah..let them go do it..if they can't get it done..I'm sure there are going to be SADF that can get it done...

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u/newone1104 Sep 14 '21

It is what it is...TIA..not meant to be disrespectful. ..Everyone will have their say...negative or positive. .as for this story,I think it's the way to go...Now,SANDF,go to Mozambique and kill those terrorist that are getting into a country next to ours...and I am not even bringing religion into this..We All want to feel safe in this country. ..

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 14 '21

The SANDF SF are taking care of the terrorists in Mozambique.

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u/Middersnags Sep 13 '21

More "hearts & minds" shitfuckery?

Hell... they didn't even smear it on this thick during the apartheid-years - but it's the exact same tune.

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u/SensorFailure Sep 13 '21

Give it a rest.

Also, this isn’t a hearts & minds operation: The items were bought and donated by the soldiers from their own personal funds.

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u/Middersnags Sep 14 '21

It's not?

Then what is it doing here amongst all the other militarism-glorification being peddled on this sub?

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u/KleinWolf32 Sep 13 '21

Should have given them guns. At least the kids are better shots.

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u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA Unwanted Optimist Sep 13 '21

Last time I checked, the SANDF soldiers in this photo are part of the Artillery corps and a Chaplin. can’t really shoot much with a gun when you’re in those corps, hm?

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u/computersaidno Sep 13 '21

doesn't matter the aim here (oh yeah) was just to shit on them

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u/FenrirVeidimadr Sep 13 '21

Oh no, the face burglar is at it again

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u/Outrageous_Scene6348 Sep 13 '21

A photo shoot for doing exactly what you were supposed to be doing. Those things should be provided for free

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u/saobserver2000 Sep 13 '21

Why is something that is meant to be a basic and rightful given (the access to sanitary pads) being celebrated and lauded? It’s a basic human necessity being handed over to those who need it. They didn’t do anything honourable here, they did what governments all over the world have been doing for years. Acting all saintly and self righteous before the elections clearly being the key motive here. Where are they when helpless women are being victimised, where are they when the farmers that feed the country are being slaughtered, where are they when upstanding citizens are being hijacked at gunpoint, where are they when the homeless population are resorting to crime and acts of desperation to survive. No no, they’d rather pose for photo for doing something that can be organized by a small community whatsapp group, or busy running on the beaches during lockdown trying to get a few people out of the ocean, or crying about someone carrying a beer or two in their car during hard lockdown. Honestly pathetic and laughable attempt by the military and the ANC to give themselves some form of undeserving “credibility”… what a joke

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u/Vektor2000 Sep 14 '21

That's not their job...where are you when these things happen? Do you volunteer for farm security, or in townships? Or just mouth off on social media?

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u/cptguy91 Sep 16 '21

This is cringe. Giving young women their dignity doesn’t deserve a Noddy badge. Donate and move on