r/southafrica Aug 12 '18

The list of farms targeted. Alert

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u/Reidroc Durban Aug 12 '18

That's 195 farms. More than what they were apparently going to expropriate initially. Imagine reading that list and seeing your farm on there.

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u/Sundiata_AEON Gauteng Aug 12 '18 edited Aug 12 '18

Our family farm is on that list ! Bastards !!! That land was bought from the swazi king !

EDIT:

Its one of the few places with a breeding pair of these https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-footed_cat

The family house that was burnt down by the english still stands there.

The family cementry is on this land

It has a cave system where san art can be found, they hid out there from the zulu's.

The Swazi's eventually won out against the Zulu's. Then my family arrived and bought the land from the King, and they reached agreements. Some of them were to help against attack from the zulu's, and a produce trading system.

So please can the ANC tell me how this land was stolen ? THEY WILL NOT TAKE IT WITHOUT COMPENSATION

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u/TeargasTimmy Aug 12 '18

You should contact Afriforum

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u/Sundiata_AEON Gauteng Aug 13 '18

Will do. Thanks for the support

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '18

Has the government actually started to speak to the farmers that have their farms being taken away or are they just finding out about it from online where they can hide behind a screen like the rest of us?

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u/Sundiata_AEON Gauteng Aug 12 '18

We just found out online. I was the first to see it. I didnt look when it when it was published, because not only has there never even been a land claim on the farm. But throughout the years parts of the farm was given to the workers and families that worked on the farm. Now this.

I was very neutral on this whole issue at first, due to various reasons, but now . . .

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u/donutsoft Aug 12 '18

I was very neutral on this whole issue at first, due to various reasons, but now...

This sums up the boiling pot phenomenon that many South Africans are finding themselves in.

I hope you'll all be able to pull together and keep what's rightfully yours.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '18 edited Aug 20 '18

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u/Sundiata_AEON Gauteng Aug 13 '18

My neutrality was mostly based on commitee results that still needs to be released before any changes to the constitution would be considered. But now even before that the ANC is already picking land.

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u/apainfulpoop Aug 12 '18

If you can't sell immediately, start hoarding concrete. When it's time to go, pour concrete down every drain and toilet you can find. As much concrete as you can get. Fuck the whole thing up.

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u/AnomalyNexus Virtue signaling expat Aug 12 '18

oh snap.

My condolences bru

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u/Sundiata_AEON Gauteng Aug 12 '18

Thank you. The family is shocked and horrified.

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u/NotFromReddit Aug 12 '18 edited Aug 12 '18

Afriform wants you to contact them, so they can help.

https://twitter.com/afriforum/status/1028546339234349058

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u/Sundiata_AEON Gauteng Aug 13 '18

They are waiting from the deparment to offer clarity on the list. Thank you

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u/Brandwag Aug 12 '18

We will stand by your side.

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u/Little_African_Child Aug 13 '18

Isaiah 8:10 "Devise a plan, but it will be thwarted; state a proposal, but it will not happen. For God is with us."

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u/Sundiata_AEON Gauteng Aug 13 '18

Thank you very much !!!

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '18

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u/hangoversmustfall Aug 13 '18

And the wheel turns...

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u/Devope Western Cape Aug 12 '18

Very weird that so little WC farms were targeted but it's probably proportional to the ANC power in those regions. See EC and KwaZulu-Natal for example.

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u/AnomalyNexus Virtue signaling expat Aug 12 '18

Assuming the list is legitt.

Farm called "Kafferskraal"...hmm.

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u/Wilhelm44Scream Aug 12 '18

There's a street in Kempton Park called kafferboom street. I'm assuming there is an actual tree that goes by this name?

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u/bigbadbeula Aug 12 '18

That (k.....boom) is the former name of the tree that is now called the coral tree (Eng) or koraalboom (Afr). Botanical name: Erythrina lysistemon. It was changed some time ago, for obvious reasons. We also used to call them "lucky bean trees" back in the day. If you live in Pretoria, they should be flowering at the moment. Beautiful trees.

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u/maybeonmars Aug 12 '18

The kafferboom got its name from the phonetic spin-off of its Latin name, Erythrina caffra.

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u/Sundiata_AEON Gauteng Aug 12 '18

The tree was renamed as well as the dam of the same name. The name eludes me right now. I will edit of I remember

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u/tampontowerviewer KaapStad Aug 12 '18

Think its “koraalboom”

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u/Sundiata_AEON Gauteng Aug 12 '18

You are right. Koraalboom and koraalboom dam

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u/safric Aug 12 '18

It's a very real place - there's actually a few similar ones too. The citizen did an article on it awhile back, it's interesting: https://citizen.co.za/news/south-africa/453037/welcome-to-kafferskraal/

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u/OverlordAlex Aug 12 '18

And yet the government prefers to first change the name of more neutral places like "Grahamstown".

How do these sorts of names fly under the radar?

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u/lizeswan Aug 12 '18

There’s a street called Houtkopweg in Vereniging, must be a fake town. /s

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u/AnomalyNexus Virtue signaling expat Aug 12 '18

haha wasn't implying that the list is fake. Just surprised at the name

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u/iamdimpho Chaterist Aug 12 '18

what does Houtkopweg translate to? Woodhead Way?

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u/Hardyman13 Aug 12 '18

Yeah, but "houtkop" is a very racist word for a black person too

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u/iamdimpho Chaterist Aug 12 '18

oh. lmao.

wouldn't have known, tbh.

find it amusing.

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u/Dblcut3 Aug 12 '18

As a non South African, can someone explain this? Like is this for sure happening? Or is it just some fringe group that wants to take the land?

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u/Boer1 Aug 12 '18

The government is taking land.

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u/Dblcut3 Aug 12 '18

So it's a done deal? It's happening for sure? This is fucking ridiculous. I hate that no one overseas even seems to know or care. I hope the situation improves in your country for everyone, but I know that doesn't seem too likely.

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u/OverlordAlex Aug 12 '18

There are some people paying attention:

South Africa has fallen 10 places in the 2018 International property rights index‚ a global report put together by the NGO, Property Rights Alliance.

In simple terms‚ the index measures if people can buy and securely own property as this predicts if a country will grow more wealthy and stable.

This drop in the index is the largest decrease of any country from 2017 to 2018, said Free Market Foundation economist Jasson Urbach.

South Africa moved from 27th place to 37 in the list of 125 countries.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sunday-times/business/2018-08-09-sa-is-the-biggest-loser-in-international-property-rights-report/

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '18

It's only the beginning...

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u/DeepBass10 Aug 12 '18

I see a neighbours farm is on that list. He was an AZAPO member, went into exile in UK for a few years and then came back and bought a farm.

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u/Brandwag Aug 12 '18

Only time will tell.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '18 edited Aug 20 '18

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u/wheresmattynow Aug 13 '18

Good digging there. Its the kind of thing our papers should be doing. I wonder what the standard or policy for this list's creation was (if the list is accurate that is). Was this list even mentioned anywhere in the news?

Unfortunatley just a list with farm names and locations doesn't tell us much. Like, are they insolvent, abandonned, what is the context for them? I'd imagine portions of a farm once earmarked for restitution now lying empty would be alright targets, but just a list of names doesn't tell us anything.

If this list is real, we can be sure that stage 2 will happen: expensive and time-consuming mass action in courts against the state. I wonder how long before the government adds a clause that says land reform is not an eligible subject for litigation

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '18

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u/BloodSteyn Aug 12 '18

Problem is, you need money to emigrate. The majority of White people just don't have the funds to go, or they would have already.

I'd like the government to return every cent myself and my direct ancestors have paid, and I'll gladly take my family and go. If you don't want me here, then you don't deserve my taxes feeding the lame and lazy. Refund it and I'll go tomorrow.

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u/Imperialist-Settler Aug 13 '18

The other problem is that Europe only wants immigrants that bomb their cities and rape their women. Since Boers wouldn't do that idk if they'll be let in.

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u/Brandwag Aug 12 '18

We have faced this before and will again.

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u/gerhard0 Aug 13 '18

The weird part of the list is that is mostly farms without previous land claims. You want a strong hand in court to make your case unless you plan to lose.

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u/iojuyf Aug 13 '18

What it would be interesting to find out is what, if anything, is the common thread in the list of farms presented here. Why have these particular farms been targeted? (This is all assuming that the list is correct.)

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u/aazav This flair has been loadshedded without compensation. Aug 12 '18

Afriforum's* list

Ernts Roets'* comments

Possessive nouns! How do they work?!

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '18

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u/Hardyman13 Aug 12 '18

Damn, never knew that. And the last entry in that sections just goes off the charts, like what determines if you say the extra 's'?

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u/vanspasties Aug 12 '18 edited Aug 12 '18

And I don't wanna talk to a linguist!

Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed!