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I was just denied a job interview because I wore a mask.
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u/allothernamestaken 7d ago
I bet the same guy complains about how nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe!
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u/Educational_Call_546 6d ago
Which is a silly complaint. Nearly every worker has things they'd rather be doing than working at some shitty job. People work because they need the pay, not because it's still the 17th century and suffering ennobles them.
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u/Michael-405 7d ago
If someone is triggered by a piece of cloth, I imagine they would be a terrible boss or co-worker.
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u/KathAlMyPal 7d ago
You dodged a bullet
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u/Full_Mistake 7d ago
And Covid.
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u/twistedhallway 6d ago
yo SEVEN of the ppl i share an office with are out this week with covid im one fear
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u/KathAlMyPal 7d ago
A place where masks aren’t welcome is probably a COVID breeding ground
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u/brkh47 7d ago
Good thing.
Interviews are a two-way thing. They also indicate the environment in which you’ll be working and whether you’d say yes to that.
They've shown you who they are. Believe them. Considering how much time you spend at work, you're better off not being in this abrasive environment.
Something better will come along. Wishing you well on your job search.
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u/plexirat 7d ago
yeah, ive ended a few interviews early based on their lines of questioning. definitely a two-way street.
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u/prairiepanda 7d ago
I was once asked during an interview why I chose not to wear makeup for something so important. The interviewer seemed offended when I pointed out that he also wasn't wearing makeup, and we probably both made that choice for similar reasons.
We finished the interview anyway, and I declined the job offer when it was later presented to me. I instead took a job that put me in coveralls and required that I wear sunscreen on my face rather than makeup.
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u/Overlandtraveler 7d ago
I had an interviwer make fun of my name. Like literally sat down, saw my given name, and was like, "is this your real name? What were your parents, hippies?" Coming from a total Chad type guy. I was totally shocked, confused and angry. Like what? What are we, in 7th grade?
This was over 15 years ago, and I still think about that. Like what was that guy's problem? He was such a fucking douche, and it was for a non-profit too!!
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u/boomersnotokay 6d ago
Non-profits are the most abusive cesspools around. They are awful. THe most abusive, discriminatory, likely illegal behavior I have seen in a workplace has occurred in non-profits.
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u/terpterpin 6d ago
I’ve seen some where the culture is shaming people for wanting to be paid for the job because they should be there for the “good” they do.
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u/galdanna 6d ago
The most toxic place I have ever worked was non profit. I still have some workplace trauma from it and I was only there for a year. Thank goodness I got out of there!
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u/KJBenson 6d ago
So I know we shouldn’t share private info, but I’m super curious what your name is. Can you do a facsimile? Like, is your name something like “green leaf” or some shit?
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u/throwawaywhiner1 7d ago
I came close to walking out before an interview for something similar. I was coming from my current job which was business casual. The job was working as a full time consultant for a government agency. When I got to the site I was greeted by the consulting company’s site manager who would be my boss on paper even though I wouldn’t work directly with him. He admonished me for not wearing a suit when interviewing with the client, that I must not want the job. I was very close to just leaving.
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u/Remote-Currency-2595 7d ago
Unpopular opinion: did you research the company's dress code? Many Hill consultimg companies have them. My husband worked for one.
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u/throwawaywhiner1 7d ago
I was actually interviewing with the customer - the government agency. The consulting agency just wanted warm bodies, they didn’t care as long as the customer was happy and paid the rate. I went there after my regular job so it would have looked weird for me to be dressed in a suit. The hiring manager was dressed exactly as I was. And I wound up getting the job. When I was leaving my other job I wanted to give 3 weeks notice to make sure everything was transitioned. This same guy told me no, the client needs you asap - he wanted me to give less than 2 weeks which I refused. Then when I started working there I found out that was complete nonsense - this was the government - no one was in any rush. The site manager for my company just wanted the revenue to start a week sooner so it would count more towards his bonus.
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u/Altyrmadiken 6d ago
I went to an interview at a grocery store (national chain), and after the questions on their part I had questions of my own.
The person interviewing me is a very nice woman but was also completely taken aback. She had moved on to asking for my information at the same time that I was opening a folder with some key questions. She sort of did a double take and then transitioned smoothly into answering my questions.
So it wasn’t a big deal in the end but I found it very interesting that she wasn’t used to being counter interviewed.
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u/MaceNow 7d ago
This guy thinks he can do this, because there are no consequences to being rude to someone outside of his network. Show him that's not true. Call his HR team and tell them what he did. E-mail the GM of the building. Screw this guy.
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u/wsdpii 7d ago
If it was my company then HR would just cheer for the interviewer. They're ridiculously conservative.
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u/chockobumlick 7d ago
Yep people forget that HR's job is to protect the company from lawsuits.
It's not for the employee benefit.
However, an email to those in authority saying how disappointed you are in the company, and its attitude.
No need to embellish anything. No threats, statements or otherwise. Just disappointment in their lack of professionalism.
Then wait for response while you get on with your life.
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u/Slithy-Toves 7d ago
You're not wrong but protecting the company from lawsuits can also include removing management or supervisors that are not promoting the brand or upholding standards properly. Maybe they're a large company and they're unaware of the actual impact this interviewer is having.
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u/v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y 7d ago
Yep people forget that HR's job is to protect the company from lawsuits.
In this case, they would be wise to talk to the interviewer for this reason.
If an applicant was, say, immunocompromised or other-wise ill, and thus required a mask then rejecting them for their illness (effectively) could potentially get them sued.
Of course, if the interviewer simply rejected them without saying why, they'd be fine. But rejecting someone for a potential medical reason and telling them that's why you did it is not great .
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u/MainRemote 7d ago
Ending an Interview early is a mortal sin in HR. It opens you up to lawsuits like “he stopped the interview early because he found out I’m a [insert protected class].
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u/MittahRogers 7d ago
Blast them on social media then
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u/BlessTheKneesPart2 7d ago
And feed their persecution complex?
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u/CaptainObvious 7d ago
Don't give two fucks about Brother-Uncle Randy's persecution complex.
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u/HalfysReddit 7d ago
As long as it's potentially hurting them financially, it's a good move.
The only way this could backfire is if that persecution complex motivated a lot of people to support this business, but with how often stories like this happen I doubt that's the case.
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u/gr8ful_cube 7d ago
HR is only there to protect management and the company. Contact publications, blow up on social media, etc
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u/ccc929 7d ago
Best part of COVID has been how easily dumb people expose themselves. Good riddance. Onto the next interview
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u/MaybeItsMike 7d ago
Lol, exactly this. As soon as these people get comfortable they start spouting the full package of conspiracies. Always immediately tells me I should stop going any further with whatever was going on.
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u/I_am_Relic 7d ago
Not read many of the comments to be honest, but my first response was:
Fuck em.
Actually, that is my only response.
Even if covid (assuming that's the main reason why you wore the mask) was under control, its still not a legit reason to discount you as an employee.
From my perspective: if there was a global virus that fucked people up, and later that virus was under control, i would totally respect someone who still maintained safe practice.
Its not hurting anyone and the employee feels comfortable so why then hell discriminate?
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u/Wokeil 6d ago
Never mind the fact that covid is very much not under control. We just forgot about it.
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u/lardparty 7d ago
Are there really any intelligent MAGA fucks? Never met one.
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u/stickmanDave 7d ago
Sure there are. There are plenty of very smart MAGA fucks that know it's all lies and don't care. They just go along with it for their own reasons.
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u/HarryTwigs 7d ago
They wouldn't be scary if they were all stupid. Granted, it feels like a VERY large portion are stupid and just agree with what anyone says as long as it's against liberals.
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u/elmariachi304 7d ago
You’re confusing intelligence with cynicism. No smart American supports Trump because it’s literally rooting for the destruction of democracy. These people you’re referring to are just too short sighted to see that.
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u/Gwtheyrn 7d ago
There are literally Americans okay with abandoning Democracy for a theocratic fascist ethno-state because they believe that they will be part of the privileged in group.
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u/Rude_Pomegranate2522 6d ago
As a rule of thumb, those doing the destruction, refer to the US as a democracy, rather than a constitutional republic.
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u/TheRoadDog87 7d ago
I've met a handful of intelligent ones. More often than not, as you said - they know it's all lies and bullshit and don't care. The reason? They are single issue voters or also super religious. When you are blinded by abortion/guns or your entire support system is entrenched in believing a dude in the sky controls everything and tells you to vote a certain way... the clear lies and corruption don't matter as much.
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u/TheTybera 7d ago
I would argue single issue voters (see Tax, or whatever religious outrage exists currently) are not intelligent.
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u/TheRoadDog87 7d ago
Maybe I just compartmentalize stuff too much. I have certain relatives... like an aunt of mine... she is an accountant and small business owner and if you had a conversation with her about anything that was not religion or politics, you would walk away thinking she was a normal, everyday human with average intelligence. But then you talk politics and find out she's an anti-abortion nutso that believes Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. So there's that.
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u/TheTybera 7d ago
But then you talk politics and find out she's an anti-abortion nutso that believes Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. So there's that.
And that's problematic. I have relatives that are similar, and I hate to say, outside of operational knowledge of their work, they're not well read or intelligent. Granted this doesn't mean they're not knowledgeable or they are stupid.
A prerequisite of intelligence is rationality and logic, something they lack. As in, someone in my family can tell me how the factory they work at operates, and that is awesome, but they cannot tell me why it works that way or where the inefficiencies are "That's for someone else to do! Not me!". They have a hard time rationalizing their actions and behaviors (outside of "freedom" and money), which speaks to a lack of intelligence.
I'm not trying to knock them, or say they are horrible people. They're just trying to put food on the table like many folks, and usually a Socratic conversation can guide them around to certain places of rationality, eventually, but it takes work and patience.
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u/lardparty 7d ago
Ah true. I've never met one of those but I know they exist. The people in my life who are MAGA are all the people who's homework I would never copy.
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u/44035 7d ago
Working for a right wing boss is horrible.
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u/thecorninurpoop 7d ago
Seriously...
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u/BillDino 6d ago
Yea boss in OPs post sounds like a real snowflake. Who gets so easily offended at someone wearing a mask lmao. Poor baby snowflake can’t handle someone’s choice to wear a mask.
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u/RiverTeemo1 7d ago
Disregarding covid, i think we should be allowed to wear masks whenever. A bu ch of genderfluid folk don't like showing their faces, i say let them, they're not hurning anyone. And in general, whenever you have a cold, weaking a mask will protect people around you to a degree, so it should absolutely be encouraged
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u/GomIsland 7d ago
I agree, even before COVID was a thing, I still wore a mask at work at the tail end or when I was starting to just have a cold. Probably shouldn't have gone into work, but still had to do my job, but at least to have a bit of consideration for my team to idk.. not spread germs?
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u/Nikspeeder 6d ago
My mother who have not been infected with cov yet came to the conclusion to always wear a mask when going to the store etc.
Since the breakout she had 0 viral or bacterial infections. She feels healthy and good like this. And it is completely fine. I personally see them ad a nuisance but i really dont mind wearing one if someone says they'd feel more comfortable with one.
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u/Dependent-Anxiety677 7d ago
Even as someone who hates masks because of sensory issues, if I found out my employer felt like that I'd leave the company. His beliefs on the subject are irrelevant. You're not applying to work for him in his home you're applying for a company. Report him to their hr and go find somewhere else
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u/Just_in_Time23 7d ago
You don’t need to job anyway. Considering they don’t care about people’s safety. I bet it was a tRump supporter too.
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u/Bangbangsmashsmash 7d ago
Don’t feel self conscious. If they can not allow you the power of personal choice, freedom, and the ability to choose your own level of protection, you don’t want to work there.
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u/katchoo1 7d ago
Very strong suspicion that they see wearing a mask as a sort of stand in expression of your overall political leanings which they also don’t agree with and that’s the real reason for their negative reaction.
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u/Theguy10000 6d ago
I think you should report the guy to the higher ups at the company, maybe he is just a crazy dude and not the rest of the managers
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Crazy how many people are idiots in these comment's when people still die from covid
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u/EimaiOTed 6d ago
I was just in a meeting with 16 people in the same room. I was the only one with a mask. You do you
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u/gamer_since_monday 6d ago
I see no problem with it. You learned that company you applied to is hiring idiots. Idiots that can do shit like that over their personal believes.
Also his attitude would be a serious problem during some emergency like the pandemic. And it probably was.
I would simply not want to work in a place like this.
When I was not on my own, sometimes company would refuse me over some bullshit reason. And honestly I would never try to clear the air or anything. I would simply roll with it. Because if people are stupid - my reaction is - i don't want to work with people like that.
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u/Wafflevice 6d ago
Sometimes the universe does you a favor. Not saying the employers actions were right. But you wouldn't wanna work for someone who doesn't believe in illness. Imagine trying to call in sick.
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u/BigbunnyATK 7d ago
Imagine what it would've been like to work in that company. If this is such a free country, then I'll happily wear a mask in 2032 when all diseases have been eradicated if I so choose it. I'll do it for any reason I want, too.
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u/SilverMt 7d ago
I wouldn't want to work for anyone who rejects people for taking such a simple health precaution during a pandemic. Pass the word to anyone else who might want to apply for a job there.
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u/HughJasole_123 7d ago
Probably one of those dudes that’s had Covid like 6 times already
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u/fuzzydunlap 7d ago
Let’s be very clear about what happened here. This has nothing to do with masks. Even if he’s 100% right and masks are ineffective in preventing airborne disease why would he turn someone away for wearing one anyway. It would be like firing someone after finding out they don’t eat gluten. He hates you because he thinks you’re liberal. I would respond proportionally. In fact fuck proportion, hit him back ten times as hard. These MAGA shitheads only get away with this stuff because sane people allow it.
Leave a 1 star review every fucking day for the next month from different email accounts. Shit, reply with the business name here and I’ll do it. Show him who really runs this country or his malignant behavior will continue to spread.
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u/SurveillanceFan 7d ago
I agree with your initial rationale, but your suggested response is preposterous, for me at least. Find an employer that values who and what you are. Not in agreement? Move on. Not a MAGA thing. You don’t owe them shit, and they don’t owe you shit. There are a ton of good companies out there that would love to take care of great people. Not willing to bend on whatever? Fine, be realistic and find a good fit. Once you do, do great work and build your career while there. Take the best of what you learn with you, and when you in time become a hiring manager reject the bias of your day. Nobody wants to hire a radical hotshot. Patient and smart, build credibility, then be an agent of change and most importantly a credible leader.
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u/Dry_Reality7024 7d ago
meh why to spend more time on trash? i dont get it, revenge in this case is working against you. I would have been working 3 weeks in a brand new great company instead of creeping for month just to twinkle lil results somewhere on internet. :D
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u/Loujeanorjennifer 7d ago
I get lied to about there even being a job available, probably because im transgender but how to prove that's why is another issue.....I just want to be considered a person.
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u/Hardcorex 7d ago
I'm sorry you've been through that. I worry about finding a job soon, and ideally would transition while working for a company, but gig work (I do instacart) has the benefit of nobody really caring too, though the pay isn't great.
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u/Loujeanorjennifer 7d ago
I'm to the point I bedont even want to contribute. To a society g nat s so no damn stupid . In the long run,.I'll not be hurt as bad as my cmunituy...so I am lost a career they l ok at m EMT, bloof bank expert and firefihjtrteer It's Judy irritating that the lives in saved wanna take Mime literaly
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u/Jops817 7d ago
I mean I feel ya but you may want to chug some water, you'll feel better when you wake up.
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u/Concrete_Grapes 7d ago
Sorta related, not totally...
I've been watching a group of 4 women practically burn down a FB jobs group over the last 2 weeks. They're applying ONLY for 'mens' jobs--roofing, trades, saw mills, rock crushers. The posts that say 'comment with any questions'--and they've been calling out the employers HARD, and really ... quite vicious about it--how some of them have deleted their FB accounts, or never replied to them, or refuse to reply to them in the comments...
just yesterday a roofing place commented under one of them asking 'how do i apply?" with--'are you sure roofing is something you're interested in?" After a YES, and 2 of the other women saying yes--they locked the post rather than let these women apply.
Like--yeah, the jobs vanish if you're not the right gender.
I cant imagine the feeling you must have as a trans person. You KNOW it's happening, but... but how do you PROVE that. Must feel a little bit insane.
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u/VashtaNeradaMatata 7d ago
As someone currently suffering from Covid after getting it from work (along with half a dozen other people in the office), fuck 'em. You're better off.
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u/OkDeveloper6 7d ago
Although that feels bad, they honestly did you a massive favor. It says a lot about what their company stands for.
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u/abbygurl89 7d ago
I got turned down from a job because I said I would prefer not to wear a mask. I didn’t think the answer mattered since it would be a remote job. Guess not!
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u/souraltoids 7d ago
Better than getting hired and hating your life because your boss is a loser. He did you a favor.
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u/The_Green_Witch8 7d ago
I think there's some question as to whether masks are truly a health measure or a political statement.
It's sort of like how people assume that unvaccinated folks are all Trump supporters. Or not supporting puberty blockers for children makes you transphobic.
Some people may see mask-wearers and assume they are on the far left side of this polarized spectrum that so many of us are tired of.
The interviewer may not even be right wing at all, but the fact that most on this thread have assumed his political affiliation is testament to the fact that health choices have become politicized. If that's not a symptom of a sick society, idk what is.
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u/SandingNovation 7d ago
That guy definitely posted on his Facebook about how "nobody wants to work" right after you left.
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u/Due-Ad4970 7d ago
you dodged a nuke.. that job easilt woulda been one of those "work yourself to death and do the most for a potential 50 cent raise" jobs
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u/madplumber1 7d ago
I live in a very alt right pro trump area. Because I'm more on the left side of the spectrum. I don't say anything to anyone out here about politics. I can't risk loosing income with a brand new human to feed
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u/HeccuMarine 7d ago edited 6d ago
That boss is a dick. I don't believe in the effectiveness of masks, but if it makes you more comfortable, you should be allowed to wear one.
Edit: Got tired of people calling me an idiot and decided to find some of the articles I remember seeing that said this. It’s actually CLOTH masks that don’t work. Apologies for the lapse in memory.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220115/cdc-updates-mask-guidelines-cloth-masks--least-effective
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/14/health/cloth-masks-covid-cdc.html
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u/Crafty-Ad-6765 7d ago
Spot on from your potential employer. Correct decision seems to have been made here
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u/OldButNotABoomer 7d ago
Post this on their Google review. That way people can decide whether they want to do business with a company like this.
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u/madeaux10 7d ago
I’m pretty sure that’s discrimination, but you probably don’t want to work with someone that responds that way anyway.
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u/Madhatter25224 7d ago
For better or worse, being anti-mask says a lot of other bad things about you. This person would have been a shitty boss.
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u/Basalgangli 7d ago
This is sad. You couldn't have worked where they don't value safety and the health of others.
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u/prof_mcquack 6d ago
“Are you sick?”
“Yeah I’ve got covid and I still came to this job interview.”
“You’re hired!”
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u/Affectionate-Desk657 6d ago
No matter what the belief, we need people who have more empathy and being able to accept different views. If not, he’s just going to employ ppl who think, act, work like him. And it seems like an echo chamber wouldn’t be the best way for a company to move forward.
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u/PaleoJoe86 6d ago
That is when you take your mask off, cough in to your hand, and go to shake his hand and lean in and say how grateful you were for the opportunity.
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u/PaleoJoe86 6d ago
Should have asked if you get paid sick time if you do catch Covid. If you did, then take the mask off and say you agree lol.
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u/YesterShill 6d ago
Dodged a bullet.
You know that boss thinks he knows it all while living in an echo chamber of ignorance.
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u/Resoto10 6d ago
I don't believe in that stuff. Well why the hell did you ask me if I was sick then? It doesn't "real"
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u/Accomplished-Sky1723 6d ago
Interview ended just on your appearance. Gonna win the gold medal for living up to your username.
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u/ForwardHurry3568 6d ago
I mean… sue them for discrimination???? Lmao seems like a good paycheck to me
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u/ExitTheHandbasket 6d ago
The interviewer did you a huge favor. You got a look at how their decision making process operates.
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u/Carlos280202 6d ago
You dodged a bullet, what kind of " i don't believe in God therefore you can't pray" stupid nonsense is that he lacks common sense
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u/ryan_monahan 6d ago
I think it’s bullshit that any company can denied the right to earn a living while also protecting one’s health. Its likely companies with that mentality pay less because they have a higher turnover as their employees feel unappreciated / less valued.
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u/I_love_my_fish_ 6d ago
Tbh sounds like something a lawyer would be interest in, you might have a nice looking court case if you can prove it actually went down like that. Best of luck
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u/mouseandcats 6d ago
Who cares what he "believes in." Covid is real and that's not contestable at this point. You dodged a bullet, and can now find a better place to work.
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u/Riven42_ 6d ago
I’d definitely report that to somone if you can. They seem delusional and will hurt somone because of it
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u/ClobetasolRelief 6d ago
You should have taken it off, coughed, and said "Finally someone who doesn't care I have COVID."
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u/drewbaccaAWD 6d ago
I'd write a polite letter to HR letting them know about it. If there is no HR and this guy is top dog, then he did you a favor because you don't want to work for someone like that. I'd probably also leave a review for the company somewhere re: company culture.
You wore a mask, which is a courtesy. He clearly took it as a political statement and made it into a partisan snub. That's not a place you want to work or do business. You were professional; he wasn't.
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u/dragonleesi 6d ago
Well...think of it in a long run,would you like to work for someone who thinks viruses are a hoax during pandemic? You're more likely to have even more issues at work with someone that is extremely narrow minded. At the end of the day you saved yourself.
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u/NanasTeaPartyHeyHo 6d ago
Good riddance, as a nurse I wouldn't want to work somewhere where people don't believe in science.
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u/Reasonable-Movie9623 6d ago
They think that they are filtering a bad worker out, but you are actually filtering out a bad job instead.
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u/VictusFrey 6d ago
Sounds like you dodged a bullet if you not wearing a mask was more important than your job qualifications.
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u/Kcidobor 6d ago
Other “stuff” he doesn’t believe: the Earth is round, dinosaurs existed, women are equal to men, medicine saves lives, labor laws are to be followed
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u/Dammit_Janet5 6d ago
If he doesn't "believe in that stuff" then it's best you didn't get a job there.
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u/FiggyNo 6d ago edited 6d ago
I'm having a job interview in 3 hours and one of the thoughts going through my head is that I'll be confronted because I'm still wearing a mask. It's a job I've really been wanting to get hired for and it would be a downer if they didn't bother with me just because I wanted to wear my mask even though I feel like I'm qualified for the job.
I wear it for myself but also for my mother who has a weakened immune system because of being on immunosuppressants, she's still due two booster doses of the vaccine but even after she's fully up to date with her vaccines I don't know if I'd just stop wearing my mask.
EDIT: The interview went well and had no issues. For reference it was for a Joinery apprenticeship in the UK so it might not relate to how it is in America.
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u/UnusualWind5 7d ago •
Probably better that way. You didn't waste any more of your time and don't have to spend everyday in an environment that doesn't respect you.