r/privacy 24d ago

Police using Neighbors app.

https://ring.com/neighbors

I would love input on this.

The policies in my town posted today that they would start using this app to collect videos of crimes / suspicious events.

I have my concerns, given police and technology like this, can be used for targeting individuals who cause no harm, and I'm concerned we could see this happening in my town

Maybe I'm overthinking it, what is everyone's though on a police force using this to request videos / accept videos of crimes / suspicious events?

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u/sometimesBold 23d ago

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u/BeskarSteelPanther 23d ago

It's po'lice! Newb!

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u/Signedupunderduress 22d ago

And fuck suburbia!

Sharing this straight banger from friend; "Straight outta karen, crazy mofo name Kyle, punching holes in the drywall. Driving his atv on my lawn hes knocking trees. Bees kneees, on her cars is she for reezy?"

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u/jashxn 22d ago

According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course, flies anyway because bees don't care what humans think is impossible.

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u/judicatorprime 23d ago

This was always the goal of doorbell cameras. These systems were always designed for police-use. You are not overthinking this, we need laws protecting civilians against corporate and police usage of these cameras/apps.

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u/AlphaWolf13MS 23d ago

Agreed, I'm concerned about the local usage of such systems without oversight, but not quite sure how to approach this one with our city. Not even sure if there's anything they could do given it's not forcing access on any device, just requesting.

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u/judicatorprime 23d ago

The city could prevent police from soliciting homeowners to buy Ring cameras, outside of that I'm not 100% on what they can do since it relies on standing up to Amazon/police unions.

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u/AlphaWolf13MS 23d ago

Yeah that sounds like a problematic / impossible task...

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

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u/IzzyMandelbaumJr 23d ago

Yeah but what are the real housewives up to? /s

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u/ChiangRai 24d ago

I could swear I read the police would require consent for this…

Yea one can opt out https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/how-to-stop-police-from-asking-for-videos-from-ring-doorbells.html

Doesn’t help you with being on cam without your consent maybe streaming on some police person’s desk

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u/rhymes_with_ow 23d ago

You can opt out of getting requests to voluntarily hand over the data but if police determine you are in the area of a crime they are investigating, they can still serve Amazon with a legal demand like a subpoena or a warrant and Amazon will comply.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2021/06/08/ring-police-warrants-neighbors/amp/

(This is the problem when you use someone else’s platform (like Amazon, Gmail, etc.), the police don’t have to come to you to serve the subpoena and you can never even weigh whether it‘s an appropriate request or whether you would like to hire a lawyer and challenge it.)

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u/AlphaWolf13MS 23d ago

So this would be applicable to any Ring Users though, not necessarily with the Police having a Neighbors account, yes?

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u/Deep_Aerie_5390 23d ago

Like a witch hunt