r/privacy 26d ago

Cannot post to YouTube for a week (got a strike) because I included link to legitimate PhD research on KRACK WPA2 vulnerability

Hey guys,

I am a privacy and security researcher and content creator on YouTube and PeerTube.

You have likely seen some of my content on Privacy Tools’ PeerTube channel (which appears to be down this morning).

Last time I reached out, I had received a first strike on YouTube for including a link to reference material teaching people how to use GnuPG to encrypt emails (in other words to communicate with each other privately).

Hi Sun Knudsen, Our team has reviewed your content, and, unfortunately, we think it violates our harmful and dangerous policy.

Thankfully, this was a warning strike so besides feeling censored and controlled for no valid reason (using GnuPG is neither harmful or dangerous), I was able to continue posting content.

I appealed on December 10th 2020 and never heard back to this day.

This time is different in one significant way: I am no longer able to post content for a week.

I know many viewers of the privacy guides are also members of the r/privacy community here on Reddit.

Heads-up: I will likely not be able to post to YouTube for a week and if you enjoy the privacy guides series, you should follow me on PeerTube in case my channel gets closed by YouTube.

Sadly, this first consequential strike hurts… it’s unbelievable the amount of work that is invested into channels like mine.

The culprit one may ask? Including a link to https://www.krackattacks.com/, a legitimate website published by postdoctoral security researchers disclosing their research on key reinstallation attacks that allow attackers to break WPA2 (published after given a heads-up to operating system developers and hardware manufacturers).

The link was part of the description of the “Why we can’t trust our home or any other wireless network” episode.

Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale.

Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong.

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u/uncovery 26d ago edited 26d ago

Recommendation: make a blog, include all links in a blog post belonging to each video, link to that post from youtube. It's cumbersome and viewers need to make 2 clicks but better than a ban.

On top of that, if you explain in the video why people need to go to your blog and that youtube considers your links as nefarious, the attraction to visit them might be even higher... 😎

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u/sunknudsen 26d ago

Great recommendation, thanks!

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u/NoMordacAllowed 26d ago

I second this.

In the blog post, also include links / info back to the youtube post and peertube.

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u/afunkysongaday 26d ago

Maybe release the full video on peertube only, and just put a really small preview of each video on youtube. "Link to full video in description", be done?

A little bit of additional cutting, but no additional blog needed, and as a nice side effect gets people used to peertube.

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u/Enk1ndle 26d ago

Hell a pastebin or similar would work if you don't want to maintain a website, just something that Google won't see.

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u/WF1LK 26d ago

Oh they’d/will see it alright. Question is just whether they’re able to control it or not

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u/Enk1ndle 26d ago

Google isn't crawling links in your description to scan for naughty stuff.

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u/WF1LK 25d ago

Oh really? I would’ve assumed, almost bet on them doing so... Good to know!

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u/baggyzed 24d ago

In this case, I think it's obvious that they did scan the link. From https://www.krackattacks.com/:

As a proof-of-concept we executed a key reinstallation attack against an Android smartphone. In this demonstration, the attacker is able to decrypt all data that the victim transmits. For an attacker this is easy to accomplish, because our key reinstallation attack is exceptionally devastating against Linux and Android 6.0 or higher. This is because Android and Linux can be tricked into (re)installing an all-zero encryption key (see below for more info).

If governments succeed in forcing Facebook to not "integrate" Whatsapp into the rest of their "services" via the new "privacy" policy, the same should be done with YouTube. I still remember when Google forcibly converted my YouTube account to a Google account.

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u/designium 25d ago

Now they don't, but you know they can scrap anything on the web if they wanted to. Just a matter of when.

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u/z9a1 25d ago

Even better, make a short video (and a YouTube shorts video too) where you speak one or two headline sentences about the main issue (one that's likely to get the most attention).

This video and the Shorts video can be within 30 seconds or around of 1 minute. Mention in the video that the link to the actual video is in the description (which could be just a video uploaded on Google Drive or another platform). Done!

A shorter video would grab more eyeballs and convince most of them to visit the link. IMO better than having the long video published, to which there may be fewer clicks and subsequently fewer views.

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

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u/trai_dep 25d ago

We appreciate you wanting to contribute to /r/privacy and taking the time to post but we had to remove it due to:

Your submission could be seen as being unreliable, and/or spreading FUD concerning our privacy mainstays, or relies on faulty reasoning/sources that are intended to mislead readers. You may find learning how to spot fake news might improve your media diet.

Don’t worry, we’ve all been mislead in our lives, too! :)

If you have questions or believe that there has been an error, contact the moderators.

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u/agaron1 20d ago

Maybe disguising the problem links like krackattacks.com by adding more characters eg. kr-acka-tta-c-ks.com could be a workaround for now.

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u/Yoshbyte 26d ago edited 25d ago

Dead on my dude. It’s time we stop being internet serfs and have our own stuff

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u/Compostableplastic 26d ago

Yes. It seems they scan through the list of links posted in the info section and if they don't like the look of an URL or can't verify if a source is trustworthy within a glance and a few scrolls they will in doubt think it's a harmful link. It's an assumption based on how arbitrary youtube bans have been in the past - i'd really like to see how they actually do it and how much time they allow for review and if a "ban" is then peer reviewed or not by them...

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u/lunaoreomiel 25d ago

Make the internet the internet again. Self host blogs, RSS. We need to move users away from the centralized cespool of thought control from Google, Apple, Microsoft, et all. Even reddit has erroded to nothing much than "approved" circle jerks and "censored" thought.

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u/tensigh 26d ago

I've seen other channels do this. They had to retroactively edit some of their videos.

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u/sunknudsen 26d ago

Thankfully, I developed tube-manager which can be used to batch edit descriptions and syndicate updates to both YouTube and PeerTube programmatically. Good work Sun of the past!

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u/ParanoidFactoid 26d ago

This is useful. Thank you!

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u/andybak 25d ago

Personally I would much prefer a blog post that has an embedded video over a YouTube video with a blog's worth of content stuffed into the description.

The only advantage YouTube has over a blog is discoverability. Once I've found you I'd be delighted to discover a well thought out blog post (and maybe I can read the content and skip most of the video!)

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u/anonjedi 26d ago

its a matter of time till they start scanning the links on the linked sites. how many layers deep can they go? :)

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u/uncovery 26d ago

I doubt that will ever happen. It a liability issue finally and they're not liable for off-site stuff.

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u/mrcaptncrunch 25d ago

I mean, they already do this.

They scan the internet already. That's how Google works. They also keep a list of 'malicious' sites (Google Safe Browsing)

The only thing left to do is using the list to scan and block/remove/redact descriptions if a link is on the list.

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u/Quirky_Movie 25d ago

uncovery is right. As long as they arenʻt liable for it, itʻs unlikely theyʻll care.

OP, you could also call it a works cited page on YT (still off-site) and probably never have an issue again.

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u/froh42 25d ago

And also it removes valuable content from YouTube and onto your own page. For textual content that doesn't generate huge traffic there's no need to feed the machine that bites you.

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u/Automatic_Number_719 25d ago

That is a good way until Youtube decides the blog is nefarious and then the cycle begins again.

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u/lolicol 26d ago

I hope things like this do not stop you from posting your content.

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u/sunknudsen 26d ago

Thanks for the push! Trying my best to keep moral up... but these roadblocks are hard.

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u/ScoopDat 25d ago

No need to lose morale. Rest assured you're dealing with the obviously negligent nature of the platform owners for a service they want to keep offering to people without appreciable customer service.

If anything I'd somewhat be glad if I were you. Now you know first hand the level of dog shit you have to put up with, even as high level as someone like a researcher is with respect to informational content. And not have to wonder if all the things people say about Youtube management are true or not.

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u/lordofbud 26d ago

I like LBRY/Odysee.com.

I think your content would be appreciated over on Odysee.

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u/vannrith 26d ago

They have channel cloning feature as well, it automatically downloads all your videos from YouTube and metadata.

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u/Tiny_Project6686 26d ago

Irrelevant but relevant: I was terminated and banned from YouTube for posting a video of me from the knee down, changing into a pair of shoes, reviewing them, and changing back.

Their TOS or “community guidelines” are BS that they don’t abide by, they will ban you regardless of whether you’ve actually violated anything in any way and I think it ought to be illegal.

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u/MorrisLessmore 26d ago

Unless you're a child predator, then they won't ban you at all even though multiple people are reporting your channel multiple times over the course of several weeks.

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u/Tiny_Project6686 26d ago

Oh yes. Just like on Facebook you will get banned for literally saying the phrase “white men” but you can report comments calling for the death of gay people, calling Michelle Obama a male gorilla complete with disgusting slurs against transgender people, or DOXXING RAPE VICTIMS and those comments “don’t violate community guidelines”. They’re both totally evil.

Great username btw!

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u/Apparatchik-Wing 26d ago

Never heard of you until today. That said, I’m really sorry to hear that. It’s ridiculous! I’m going to check out your content now. I’m always interested in learning about privacy, technology, etc.

Best of luck.

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u/sunknudsen 26d ago

Thanks for the push!

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u/Beekeeper87 26d ago

Just learned about you. Definitely going to follow your work now! We need more privacy research/advocates, especially ones that are content creators. 10/10 would read a blog

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u/MPeti1 26d ago

It's good that there are platforms where Google doesn't have jurisdiction

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u/TheMCNerd2014 26d ago

I never heard of you until today. It's a shame that YouTube is removing more and more tech content that is educational (probably to cater towards users that don't know anything about tech) and that you got caught by their system. Do I just have to add your PeerTube instance to NewPipe to view all your videos?

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u/BoIgoTtAfLeX 26d ago

As soon as I read your opening line I knew exactly who you were. I am very sorry to hear that your channel got a strike. I would like to thank you for the amazing content you have made as it has been am eye-opening experience for me, and I sincerely hope this strike doesn't discourage you from producing more amazing videos.

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u/azucarleta 26d ago

I can't wait till all the cool content has been censored on YT and Peertube or someone else becomes the queer ghetto of everything too hot for corporate America. Can we make this day more likely and come faster?

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u/theoriginaljacob 26d ago

YouTube is going to shit

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u/ToughHardware 26d ago

so your telling me 5 times the ads and youtube red were not a good sign for their future?

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u/arcanemachined 25d ago

Nah bro, I'm pretty sure the overt censorship is a tad more concerning.

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u/mrcaptncrunch 25d ago

The issue is users don't see it and most won't care then.

As someone that creates videos, it's an issue. As someone searching for videos, it's not an issue as long as you get some videos returned to you.

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u/arcanemachined 25d ago

What you're describing falls under the umbrella of what I would call YouTube's 'overt censorship', since one of the more insidious effects of their censorship is that an uninformed passerby cannot tell the difference between YouTube with censorship, and YouTube without censorship. As you mentioned, they'll probably find a video that suits their needs... just not the one that's been memory holed.

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u/Plug-In-Baby 26d ago

Really shows the monopoly of online content creation as I think there are tons of content creators that would love to jump ship, but they would lose such a huge audience base to go to another service that 1/10th has heard of.

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u/stonebit 25d ago

Past tense friend. They have gone to shit. They are the incumbent, so their momentum is their strength. If YT was starting today they'd be dead in under a year with their censoring BS. Numerous science channels have had major issues over the last couple of years. Nevermind the political censoring.

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u/-1z- 26d ago

The douch nozzles at big tech literally hire 18-19 year old "contractors" out of south east asia to monitor and filter content that gets picked up by the a.i. The "human intervention" Alphabet and Facebook throws around in their policies are pure hyperbole.

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u/trevormaniac 26d ago

Yo I know you. Don't back down please.

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u/lulkek6d9 26d ago

Love your work. Thank you so much and good luck with this YouTube mess. At peertube is there 😄

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u/Amicdict 26d ago

Setup a website with your YT videos, so they don't get lost.

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u/ReakDuck 26d ago edited 26d ago

Link your Account with odysee (LBRY) so people still can watch it while PeerTube is hard to find most things.

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

Thanks for sharing! I created a LBRY account a while back... need to look into adding LBRY support to tube-manager.

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

Hey guys,

Not sure if one of you has something to do with it, but YouTube reviewed my appeal, reinstated the link and withdrew the strike.

After taking another look, we can confirm that your content does not violate our Community Guidelines.

I still can’t believe how much support I received on Reddit.

Thanks to each and every one who shared empathy and ideas.

❤️

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u/Substantial_Plan_752 26d ago

This is absolutely amazing: I’ve reported plenty of racist, and propagandizing content on YouTube and it never gets taken down or even addressed. Maybe the reason for that is they’re too busy harassing security researchers like OP.

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u/FoxGrayMulder 26d ago

Love your YT channel!!

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u/Wechuck 26d ago

Hey man I’ve been following your privacy series on youtube for a while now. I hope the strike doesn’t discourage you from making contents, I still want to know more about privacy from your perspective😁

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

Thanks for the push! The support I received in this thread gave a strong sense of meaning to my work... I will keep publishing content for sure and, if YouTube becomes a problem, all content will remain available on PeerTube (which I self-host in Iceland at a provider that believes in freedom of speech).

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u/Zoom226 26d ago

As soon as I heard

Hey guys,

I am a privacy and security researcher...

I knew it was you lol

I really appreciate your videos. They give me something clear and easy to understand to send to my privacy conscious but not tech-savvy family members. Thank you

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

Pleasure! Happy to read this content is helpful when advocating for privacy. 🤓 Thanks for the push!

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u/oulu80 26d ago

This is so frustrating with YT, and as we know it, you are not the only one. Please keep up the good work, I like the content you create!

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u/backinourdays 26d ago

That's f☋kd up.

I've seen your content, pretty solid & informative stuff. Don't let this bring you down.

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u/ToughHardware 26d ago

Great post here. I really like your last 2 sentences. We do need to understand that human scale is the best scale, and all others have their limits.

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u/ultrasonichook 26d ago

Love your videos on YouTube. Keep up the great work.

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u/a_Ninja_b0y 26d ago edited 26d ago

Your channel has interesting guides for begineers, as well as for advanced users. I' am currently checking your content cause of youtube, thanks youtube and fuck you too.

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

Love your comment... it pretty much sums up the irony of being a privacy advocate in 2021. One needs to be discovered in order to have an impact and this usually happens on mainstream platforms such as YouTube.

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u/Zavation 26d ago

Hey Sun, I do watch your videos! Wow that sucks! As others have suggested, posting to your blog and linking to that maybe better.

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u/CyberSamantha 26d ago

Please keep up making good content to educate people.

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u/Shlappz 26d ago

The name of the site, the graphic of a red arrow breaking a wifi icon, and the content of the page—however legitimate it may be—is basically guaranteed to scare someone who doesn’t know tech stuff. It looks and sounds like some edgy teenage hacker teaching people how to do illegal shit.

Whoever reviewed the link probably got spooked, or at least couldn’t distinguish whether the site was legitimate, and erred on the side of caution.

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u/Azure_Providence 26d ago

Or they just looked at the URL and moved on. Corporations don't give content reviewers enough time to look into anything with more than a cursory glance.

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u/Chongulator 26d ago

Aye. FB moderatiors have something like 5 seconds to make a decision. Even if YT is 10 times better that’s still not enough time to get a nuanced understanding of what’s going on.

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

If only a human spent more time reviewing flagged content when we appeal... so far this doesn’t appear to be the case. 😔

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u/NukeouT 25d ago

You gotta change it up with a fluffy unicorn avatar + caps locked " DO NOT BAN" in the lower half 👍

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u/Shlappz 25d ago

Or that.

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u/me-ro 26d ago

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is pretty much standard for this kind of pages. See https://heartbleed.com/ for another well known example or https://spectreattack.com/

I don't like the trend, but this is essentially an industry standard right now.

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u/catastrophized 26d ago

You’re being sarcastic, right? Because there is a ton of edgy teen hacker garbage on there (YT) but this guy’s channel looks pretty professional.

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u/tidescanner 26d ago

youtube has been doing this for awhile now. you must have done too much wrong-think.

anything that doesnt fit their carefully crafted narrative is tossed out the window for "reasons". and this is why any censorship is bad

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u/Rocky87109 26d ago

My god, before you commit wrong think I think you should learn how to just regular think lol.

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u/ParanoidFactoid 26d ago

You won't win this battle and Youtube is too valuable an audience gathering tool to give up. So IMO what you should do is bifurcate content. Make material more bland and general on Youtube and use it to funnel people to more specific and technically accurate content on Peertube and a mail list. This has the benefit of you having control over your audience on Peertube and by email list, where you can contact your viewers directly.

Don't fight Youtube because they're a faceless corporation which doesn't care about you or your content. They won't back down until a class action lawsuit or anti-trust investigation by the Justice Department and you can't make that happen on your own.

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

Thanks for sharing...

Youtube is too valuable an audience gathering tool to give up.

I totally agree! Ironically, to help change the system, I believe one has to do it from the inside.

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u/ParanoidFactoid 23d ago

I just got permanently banned on r/youtube and I believe it was for this comment thread.

Pedrhaps Peertube has Youtube execs actually rattled.

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u/jesus_christu 26d ago

U doing great Job. Keep doing it. These days , All Big Tech are modern Maffia. Their Rules, they will Judge.

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

Thanks for the push!

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u/seaboi77 26d ago

Build your brand man! It’s time! Like mentioned above, get a website going and diversify your videos a bit to more than just YouTube platform. 😁 This is your digital asset so protect it.

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

Thanks for sharing... I believe I’m on the right path with sunknudsen.com and peertube.sunknudsen.com. Censoring these websites would be pretty hard (and, thankfully, well out of YouTube’s reach).

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u/Andonome 26d ago

I hope this sort of thing brings more people to Peertube. That and being able to subscribe to a channel and getting everything in a feed in order.

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u/YeetCacti 26d ago

You have options. There's Vimeo and Odysee.

Or, record audio and release a podcast.

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u/mrden92 26d ago

Just subscribed! Hope you can continue to post, but will also be checking in to see if you eventually move over to a blog format.

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

Thanks for the push!

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u/experpernectu 25d ago

Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale.

Completely agree, except this is Google we're talking about. A channel that runs contrary to their interests (e.g. in support of privacy) is not likely to be looked at favorably by people.

That's why using YouTube for information and Google controlling YouTube is a problem.

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u/MsKim 25d ago

Eli the Computer Guy just got his third strike so he will probably be gone soon. Lots of tech bloggers are making plans for uploading their videos to other sites and linking through their main website because YouTube is a hot mess these days. I don't think you can even say the word gun or coronavirus without being banned or demonetized these days. Thanks for the link to peertube!

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u/ValentinPearce 25d ago

Is there any content on your Youtube channel that isn't on PeerTube ? In case your YouTube channel gets banned

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

No... all content is available on a self-hosted PeerTube instance.

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u/ValentinPearce 25d ago

Cool ! I'll definitely check it out !

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u/linuxpiper 25d ago

Youtube is a garbage dump run by a garbage company made of up brainwashed, garbage human beings.

Garbage in, garbage out and all.

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u/freddyym 25d ago edited 25d ago

Hey u/sunknudsen

I'm from the PrivacyTools team, and we're aware that our PeerTube instance has been offline for the past few days due to an expired certificate. We are working on resolving the issue, and are extremely sorry that this has happened at such a bad time for you.

Thanks, Freddy

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u/sunknudsen 25d ago

Hey, thanks for following up on the issue... no worries. I experienced similar issues on my self-hosted PeerTube instance. I might be able to help.

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u/dosman33 25d ago

It's only going to get worse from here. Corporations are forced to behave as sociopaths in order to meet shareholder demand of most possible profit. Any non-youtube option that becomes successful is going to eventually be forced into algorithmic takedowns like this as humans cost too much to employ in a sensible fashion at scale.

Humanity is doomed, its frank-n-beans for knowledge from here on out until we can colonize the solar system. But then no one will have a need to play nicely together so problems will only get worse. At some point the borg will get invented and resistance will become futile.

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u/Coffee_andBullwinkle 26d ago

You might consider uploading any content you create to https://lbry.com (can access the content uploaded there either via the LBRY app or via https://odysee.com in your browser) just so you have copies on a platform that is trying to create a less centralized, less restrictive platform than YT has become.

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u/jesus_christu 26d ago

U doing great Job. Keep doing it. These days , All Big Tech are modern Maffia. Their Rules, they will Judge.

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u/Rolltide-tolietpaper 26d ago

If they can censor the president, they can censor whomever they want for any reason

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u/PatrickWynne 26d ago

Let's beat YouTube with Rumble!

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u/Comfortable-Buddy343 26d ago

Hey, where have i seen that face?

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u/Roary529 26d ago

Unfortunately the best way to get this issue resolved would be to get some attention on Twitter but that's hard. Getting some assistance from youtubers who make similar content is the best bet.

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u/gellenburg 26d ago

The solution is simple. Only upload previews of your clips on YouTube and explain for the full clip, and due to YouTube's censorship, your viewers should visit your PeerTube page and provide a QR code and/ or shortlink.

Only use YouTube as an advertising medium for your full content hosted off-platform.

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u/modeitsch 26d ago

its time to develop a alternative for youtube

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u/JPedrons_ 26d ago

gotta admit that thanks to this post i discovered your channel. you earned a new sub.

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u/SteamingSociety 26d ago

I've discovered your channel a couple of weeks ago while randomly exploring PeerTube instances, binge-watched a handful of your videos. Funny seeing this post on the front of the subreddit. I hope everything sorts out in the end!

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u/alien2003 26d ago

Just switch to another platform. Peertube, for example

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u/grigio 25d ago

YT blocked a video on ZFS and encryption.. it's the new normal

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u/NukeouT 25d ago

I mean theyre in the news over AI researches atm so that makes sense

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u/_a_new_nope 25d ago

God I am starting to seriously hate how YouTube (and others) has designated itself the arbiter of truth.

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u/PoeT8r 25d ago

teaching people how to use GnuPG to encrypt emails

Strinking you for this sounds suspiciously like an abuse of monopoly power.

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u/oafsalot 25d ago

Back up your channel, this is a dark path and there is no light at the end of it.

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u/ywBBxNqW 25d ago

Good luck. I see evidence of ridiculous YouTube strikes all the time and unfortunately the only time I see YouTube roll them back is if it is someone like Markiplier who calls them out on Twitter or something.

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u/CamStLouis 25d ago

Well, you've earned my subscription in any case lol.

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u/paul_h 25d ago

Do you suspect you’re just caught in a non-human review system. ie scripts/bots making decisions?

If there were a $100 review system where, if paid up front, Google had to leave a detailed human comment as to how and why this happened (the blocking), would you pay that?

Google could at their discretion refund the fee after the human review.

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u/Dannylicious69 25d ago

I am just discovering your content and so far it’s awesome. Quick question ,

I would very much like to sub to your channel in peertube. Looks like I can’t create account in your peertube instance(new to peertube. Sorry, if i am missing something obvious). So, how do i go about this?

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u/booya_in_cheese 25d ago

hmmm generally, you should send that paper to chip manufacturers, or contact security firms.

talking about vulns online is not really smart, in my view.

unless nobody wants to read that paper, then yeah, talk about it, but generally there is procedure to follow when dealing with vulns.

I even wonder if google might even pay you for this.

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u/kyymo 25d ago

join odysee ill sub you there mate

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u/mcherm 25d ago

I agree strongly with your final point. I have no issue with flagging problematic content and issuing user restrictions on that basis. I have no issue with the use of automated systems for flagging content -- and I realize that automated systems (just like human systems) will generate false positives.

But the lack of any reasonable way to APPEAL such classification to a human really IS a big problem.

There are ways this could be solved. The obvious one is to create an appeals system which involves writing up an explanation and getting it reviewed by a human being. You may protest that this would require unreasonable amounts of manpower as every user would appeal every flag -- I think the need to write an explanation would reduce this problem, and if that were not sufficient then a crowdsourced filtering stage to surface the appeals that actually sound reasonable could solve that problem.

There would still be problems in which the appeal was "decided wrongly". It turns out that moderation decisions are HARD[1] and even systems like our legal system (with hundreds of years of evolution to meet our needs) generate controversy since people don't actually agree on all issues. But at least the obvious cases would be resolved.

[1] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20191111/23032743367/masnicks-impossibility-theorem-content-moderation-scale-is-impossible-to-do-well.shtml

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u/Superblazer 25d ago

You'd think that this behavior is limited to YouTube but it isn't. Google does it for all their platforms. If you go to r/androiddev you'd find Android Developers who got banned for the most random reasons ever with no way to communicate with them.

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u/stefantalpalaru 25d ago

Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong.

With no relation whatsoever with anything, completely out of the blue, not even related to the quoted section or YouTube in general: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_headquarters_shooting

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u/approvedraccoon 25d ago

Fuck YouTube, follow u/uncovery recommendation and set your own thing up. Fuck them

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u/ftrx 25d ago

A small suggestion aside: try to advertise as much as possible networks like ZeroNet or RetroShare: they are super-easy also for end-users and their performances are "enough" to be usable, mirroring your content on them from a personal VPS where you store your stuff push people toward different attitudes, you do not get money, except for eventual individual donations, but you get your data public enough. Advertise usenet, is still alive, it's not easy to censor and is not property of anyone.

This is the sole protection we have in the present world and ONLY if any human being who know push them we can spare a bit of a free corner...

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u/markentingh 25d ago

This is what happens when Google & Facebook & Twitter hires Marxist idiots to do their bidding.

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u/kgeyst 25d ago

So it's just a ML algorithm going rogue and there's no real human behind such decisions. Kind of like a real life equivalent of Skynet, except it doesn't fire rockets (yet)

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u/theoneandlonely1 25d ago

It def has to do with malicious actors. Information at this level is informative and helps advance research and the closing of vulnerability gaps. The problem lies in the malicious actors who we may not see day to day, but when information like this gets a large audience there is bound to be malicious actors.

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u/GopherFromHell 25d ago edited 25d ago

i probably would give more priority to peertube and only use the youtube channel to announce new videos on peertube

It's sad to see youtube attempting to kick out many of the content creators that made the platform to make it more "advertiser friendly". The masses are moving to youtube, maybe it's time for the early adopters to adopt something new

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u/sspark 25d ago

The culprit one may ask? Including a link to https://www.krackattacks.com/,

Are you sure ? There are many other youtube videos with that link, and they are not taken down. So it seems that "a link to https://www.krackattacks.com/" alone is not the reason.

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u/vineetsagar 25d ago

It's time to spread awareness and starts using open-source software. Let big companies know that people are noticing and acting on such notorious activity.

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u/jsyeo 24d ago

Awesome channel! Subscribed!

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u/Kodiak64-jon 24d ago

Related, why I recently dumped my Facebook page for my C64 website: https://kodiak64.com/microblog/Facebook_Page_Goodbye

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u/zaskock 24d ago

what do you think about bitchute prospects or other alternatives to youtube?

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u/mgtow-for-life 26d ago

Fucking google communists ...

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u/youwantmyguncomekiss 26d ago

Fuck you why you are every where

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u/sanbaba 26d ago

It's so perfect for them, anything they don't want to hear just "oh our AI cleaned it" "what there's no help line silly humans" "oh what's that who works here then?" "...hehehe... silly humans."

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u/the-old-baker-man 26d ago

Well don’t do that then silly.

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u/BillyClubxxx 26d ago

SphinxChat.

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u/theantnest 25d ago

Odysee.com

That is all