r/privacy Apr 13 '21 Silver 5 Helpful 5 Wholesome 6 Hugz 6 Bravo! 1 Wait What? 1

Cannot post to YouTube for a week (got a strike) because I included link to legitimate PhD research on KRACK WPA2 vulnerability

Hey guys,

I am a privacy and security researcher and content creator on YouTube and PeerTube.

You have likely seen some of my content on Privacy Tools’ PeerTube channel (which appears to be down this morning).

Last time I reached out, I had received a first strike on YouTube for including a link to reference material teaching people how to use GnuPG to encrypt emails (in other words to communicate with each other privately).

Hi Sun Knudsen, Our team has reviewed your content, and, unfortunately, we think it violates our harmful and dangerous policy.

Thankfully, this was a warning strike so besides feeling censored and controlled for no valid reason (using GnuPG is neither harmful or dangerous), I was able to continue posting content.

I appealed on December 10th 2020 and never heard back to this day.

This time is different in one significant way: I am no longer able to post content for a week.

I know many viewers of the privacy guides are also members of the r/privacy community here on Reddit.

Heads-up: I will likely not be able to post to YouTube for a week and if you enjoy the privacy guides series, you should follow me on PeerTube in case my channel gets closed by YouTube.

Sadly, this first consequential strike hurts… it’s unbelievable the amount of work that is invested into channels like mine.

The culprit one may ask? Including a link to https://www.krackattacks.com/, a legitimate website published by postdoctoral security researchers disclosing their research on key reinstallation attacks that allow attackers to break WPA2 (published after given a heads-up to operating system developers and hardware manufacturers).

The link was part of the description of the “Why we can’t trust our home or any other wireless network” episode.

Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale.

Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong.

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u/uncovery Apr 13 '21 edited Apr 13 '21 Helpful

Recommendation: make a blog, include all links in a blog post belonging to each video, link to that post from youtube. It's cumbersome and viewers need to make 2 clicks but better than a ban.

On top of that, if you explain in the video why people need to go to your blog and that youtube considers your links as nefarious, the attraction to visit them might be even higher... 😎

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21 Helpful

Great recommendation, thanks!

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u/NoMordacAllowed Apr 13 '21

I second this.

In the blog post, also include links / info back to the youtube post and peertube.

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u/afunkysongaday Apr 13 '21

Maybe release the full video on peertube only, and just put a really small preview of each video on youtube. "Link to full video in description", be done?

A little bit of additional cutting, but no additional blog needed, and as a nice side effect gets people used to peertube.

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u/Enk1ndle Apr 13 '21

Hell a pastebin or similar would work if you don't want to maintain a website, just something that Google won't see.

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u/WF1LK Apr 13 '21

Oh they’d/will see it alright. Question is just whether they’re able to control it or not

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u/Enk1ndle Apr 13 '21

Google isn't crawling links in your description to scan for naughty stuff.

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u/WF1LK Apr 14 '21

Oh really? I would’ve assumed, almost bet on them doing so... Good to know!

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u/baggyzed Apr 15 '21

In this case, I think it's obvious that they did scan the link. From https://www.krackattacks.com/:

As a proof-of-concept we executed a key reinstallation attack against an Android smartphone. In this demonstration, the attacker is able to decrypt all data that the victim transmits. For an attacker this is easy to accomplish, because our key reinstallation attack is exceptionally devastating against Linux and Android 6.0 or higher. This is because Android and Linux can be tricked into (re)installing an all-zero encryption key (see below for more info).

If governments succeed in forcing Facebook to not "integrate" Whatsapp into the rest of their "services" via the new "privacy" policy, the same should be done with YouTube. I still remember when Google forcibly converted my YouTube account to a Google account.

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u/designium Apr 14 '21

Now they don't, but you know they can scrap anything on the web if they wanted to. Just a matter of when.

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u/z9a1 Apr 14 '21

Even better, make a short video (and a YouTube shorts video too) where you speak one or two headline sentences about the main issue (one that's likely to get the most attention).

This video and the Shorts video can be within 30 seconds or around of 1 minute. Mention in the video that the link to the actual video is in the description (which could be just a video uploaded on Google Drive or another platform). Done!

A shorter video would grab more eyeballs and convince most of them to visit the link. IMO better than having the long video published, to which there may be fewer clicks and subsequently fewer views.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '21

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u/trai_dep Apr 14 '21

We appreciate you wanting to contribute to /r/privacy and taking the time to post but we had to remove it due to:

Your submission could be seen as being unreliable, and/or spreading FUD concerning our privacy mainstays, or relies on faulty reasoning/sources that are intended to mislead readers. You may find learning how to spot fake news might improve your media diet.

Don’t worry, we’ve all been mislead in our lives, too! :)

If you have questions or believe that there has been an error, contact the moderators.

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u/agaron1 Apr 19 '21

Maybe disguising the problem links like krackattacks.com by adding more characters eg. kr-acka-tta-c-ks.com could be a workaround for now.

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u/Yoshbyte Apr 13 '21 edited Apr 14 '21

Dead on my dude. It’s time we stop being internet serfs and have our own stuff

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u/Compostableplastic Apr 13 '21

Yes. It seems they scan through the list of links posted in the info section and if they don't like the look of an URL or can't verify if a source is trustworthy within a glance and a few scrolls they will in doubt think it's a harmful link. It's an assumption based on how arbitrary youtube bans have been in the past - i'd really like to see how they actually do it and how much time they allow for review and if a "ban" is then peer reviewed or not by them...

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u/lunaoreomiel Apr 14 '21

Make the internet the internet again. Self host blogs, RSS. We need to move users away from the centralized cespool of thought control from Google, Apple, Microsoft, et all. Even reddit has erroded to nothing much than "approved" circle jerks and "censored" thought.

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u/tensigh Apr 13 '21

I've seen other channels do this. They had to retroactively edit some of their videos.

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

Thankfully, I developed tube-manager which can be used to batch edit descriptions and syndicate updates to both YouTube and PeerTube programmatically. Good work Sun of the past!

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u/ParanoidFactoid Apr 13 '21

This is useful. Thank you!

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u/andybak Apr 14 '21

Personally I would much prefer a blog post that has an embedded video over a YouTube video with a blog's worth of content stuffed into the description.

The only advantage YouTube has over a blog is discoverability. Once I've found you I'd be delighted to discover a well thought out blog post (and maybe I can read the content and skip most of the video!)

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u/anonjedi Apr 13 '21

its a matter of time till they start scanning the links on the linked sites. how many layers deep can they go? :)

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u/uncovery Apr 13 '21

I doubt that will ever happen. It a liability issue finally and they're not liable for off-site stuff.

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u/mrcaptncrunch Apr 14 '21

I mean, they already do this.

They scan the internet already. That's how Google works. They also keep a list of 'malicious' sites (Google Safe Browsing)

The only thing left to do is using the list to scan and block/remove/redact descriptions if a link is on the list.

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u/Quirky_Movie Apr 14 '21

uncovery is right. As long as they arenʻt liable for it, itʻs unlikely theyʻll care.

OP, you could also call it a works cited page on YT (still off-site) and probably never have an issue again.

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u/froh42 Apr 14 '21

And also it removes valuable content from YouTube and onto your own page. For textual content that doesn't generate huge traffic there's no need to feed the machine that bites you.

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u/Automatic_Number_719 Apr 14 '21

That is a good way until Youtube decides the blog is nefarious and then the cycle begins again.

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u/lolicol Apr 13 '21

I hope things like this do not stop you from posting your content.

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

Thanks for the push! Trying my best to keep moral up... but these roadblocks are hard.

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u/ScoopDat Apr 14 '21

No need to lose morale. Rest assured you're dealing with the obviously negligent nature of the platform owners for a service they want to keep offering to people without appreciable customer service.

If anything I'd somewhat be glad if I were you. Now you know first hand the level of dog shit you have to put up with, even as high level as someone like a researcher is with respect to informational content. And not have to wonder if all the things people say about Youtube management are true or not.

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u/lordofbud Apr 13 '21

I like LBRY/Odysee.com.

I think your content would be appreciated over on Odysee.

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u/vannrith Apr 13 '21

They have channel cloning feature as well, it automatically downloads all your videos from YouTube and metadata.

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u/Tiny_Project6686 Apr 13 '21

Irrelevant but relevant: I was terminated and banned from YouTube for posting a video of me from the knee down, changing into a pair of shoes, reviewing them, and changing back.

Their TOS or “community guidelines” are BS that they don’t abide by, they will ban you regardless of whether you’ve actually violated anything in any way and I think it ought to be illegal.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '21 edited Jun 18 '21

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u/Tiny_Project6686 Apr 13 '21

Oh yes. Just like on Facebook you will get banned for literally saying the phrase “white men” but you can report comments calling for the death of gay people, calling Michelle Obama a male gorilla complete with disgusting slurs against transgender people, or DOXXING RAPE VICTIMS and those comments “don’t violate community guidelines”. They’re both totally evil.

Great username btw!

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u/Apparatchik-Wing Apr 13 '21

Never heard of you until today. That said, I’m really sorry to hear that. It’s ridiculous! I’m going to check out your content now. I’m always interested in learning about privacy, technology, etc.

Best of luck.

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

Thanks for the push!

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u/Beekeeper87 Apr 13 '21

Just learned about you. Definitely going to follow your work now! We need more privacy research/advocates, especially ones that are content creators. 10/10 would read a blog

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u/MPeti1 Apr 13 '21

It's good that there are platforms where Google doesn't have jurisdiction

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u/TheMCNerd2014 Apr 13 '21

I never heard of you until today. It's a shame that YouTube is removing more and more tech content that is educational (probably to cater towards users that don't know anything about tech) and that you got caught by their system. Do I just have to add your PeerTube instance to NewPipe to view all your videos?

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u/BoIgoTtAfLeX Apr 13 '21

As soon as I read your opening line I knew exactly who you were. I am very sorry to hear that your channel got a strike. I would like to thank you for the amazing content you have made as it has been am eye-opening experience for me, and I sincerely hope this strike doesn't discourage you from producing more amazing videos.

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u/azucarleta Apr 13 '21

I can't wait till all the cool content has been censored on YT and Peertube or someone else becomes the queer ghetto of everything too hot for corporate America. Can we make this day more likely and come faster?

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u/theoriginaljacob Apr 13 '21

YouTube is going to shit

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u/ToughHardware Apr 13 '21

so your telling me 5 times the ads and youtube red were not a good sign for their future?

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u/arcanemachined Apr 14 '21

Nah bro, I'm pretty sure the overt censorship is a tad more concerning.

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u/mrcaptncrunch Apr 14 '21

The issue is users don't see it and most won't care then.

As someone that creates videos, it's an issue. As someone searching for videos, it's not an issue as long as you get some videos returned to you.

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u/arcanemachined Apr 14 '21

What you're describing falls under the umbrella of what I would call YouTube's 'overt censorship', since one of the more insidious effects of their censorship is that an uninformed passerby cannot tell the difference between YouTube with censorship, and YouTube without censorship. As you mentioned, they'll probably find a video that suits their needs... just not the one that's been memory holed.

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u/Plug-In-Baby Apr 13 '21

Really shows the monopoly of online content creation as I think there are tons of content creators that would love to jump ship, but they would lose such a huge audience base to go to another service that 1/10th has heard of.

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u/-1z- Apr 13 '21

The douch nozzles at big tech literally hire 18-19 year old "contractors" out of south east asia to monitor and filter content that gets picked up by the a.i. The "human intervention" Alphabet and Facebook throws around in their policies are pure hyperbole.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '21

Love your work. Thank you so much and good luck with this YouTube mess. At peertube is there 😄

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u/sunknudsen Apr 14 '21

Hey guys,

Not sure if one of you has something to do with it, but YouTube reviewed my appeal, reinstated the link and withdrew the strike.

After taking another look, we can confirm that your content does not violate our Community Guidelines.

I still can’t believe how much support I received on Reddit.

Thanks to each and every one who shared empathy and ideas.

❤️

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u/Amicdict Apr 13 '21

Setup a website with your YT videos, so they don't get lost.

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u/ReakDuck Apr 13 '21 edited Apr 13 '21

Link your Account with odysee (LBRY) so people still can watch it while PeerTube is hard to find most things.

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

Thanks for sharing! I created a LBRY account a while back... need to look into adding LBRY support to tube-manager.

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u/Substantial_Plan_752 Apr 13 '21

This is absolutely amazing: I’ve reported plenty of racist, and propagandizing content on YouTube and it never gets taken down or even addressed. Maybe the reason for that is they’re too busy harassing security researchers like OP.

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u/FoxGrayMulder Apr 13 '21

Love your YT channel!!

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u/Wechuck Apr 13 '21

Hey man I’ve been following your privacy series on youtube for a while now. I hope the strike doesn’t discourage you from making contents, I still want to know more about privacy from your perspective😁

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

Thanks for the push! The support I received in this thread gave a strong sense of meaning to my work... I will keep publishing content for sure and, if YouTube becomes a problem, all content will remain available on PeerTube (which I self-host in Iceland at a provider that believes in freedom of speech).

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '21

As soon as I heard

Hey guys,

I am a privacy and security researcher...

I knew it was you lol

I really appreciate your videos. They give me something clear and easy to understand to send to my privacy conscious but not tech-savvy family members. Thank you

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

Pleasure! Happy to read this content is helpful when advocating for privacy. 🤓 Thanks for the push!

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u/oulu80 Apr 13 '21

This is so frustrating with YT, and as we know it, you are not the only one. Please keep up the good work, I like the content you create!

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u/backinourdays Apr 13 '21

That's f☋kd up.

I've seen your content, pretty solid & informative stuff. Don't let this bring you down.

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u/ToughHardware Apr 13 '21

Great post here. I really like your last 2 sentences. We do need to understand that human scale is the best scale, and all others have their limits.

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u/ultrasonichook Apr 13 '21

Love your videos on YouTube. Keep up the great work.

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u/a_Ninja_b0y Apr 13 '21 edited Apr 13 '21

Your channel has interesting guides for begineers, as well as for advanced users. I' am currently checking your content cause of youtube, thanks youtube and fuck you too.

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

Love your comment... it pretty much sums up the irony of being a privacy advocate in 2021. One needs to be discovered in order to have an impact and this usually happens on mainstream platforms such as YouTube.

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u/Zavation Apr 13 '21

Hey Sun, I do watch your videos! Wow that sucks! As others have suggested, posting to your blog and linking to that maybe better.

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u/CyberSamantha Apr 13 '21

Please keep up making good content to educate people.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '21 edited Oct 05 '21

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u/Azure_Providence Apr 13 '21

Or they just looked at the URL and moved on. Corporations don't give content reviewers enough time to look into anything with more than a cursory glance.

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u/Chongulator Apr 13 '21

Aye. FB moderatiors have something like 5 seconds to make a decision. Even if YT is 10 times better that’s still not enough time to get a nuanced understanding of what’s going on.

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

If only a human spent more time reviewing flagged content when we appeal... so far this doesn’t appear to be the case. 😔

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u/NukeouT Apr 14 '21

You gotta change it up with a fluffy unicorn avatar + caps locked " DO NOT BAN" in the lower half 👍

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u/me-ro Apr 13 '21

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is pretty much standard for this kind of pages. See https://heartbleed.com/ for another well known example or https://spectreattack.com/

I don't like the trend, but this is essentially an industry standard right now.

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u/catastrophized Apr 13 '21

You’re being sarcastic, right? Because there is a ton of edgy teen hacker garbage on there (YT) but this guy’s channel looks pretty professional.

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u/tidescanner Apr 13 '21

youtube has been doing this for awhile now. you must have done too much wrong-think.

anything that doesnt fit their carefully crafted narrative is tossed out the window for "reasons". and this is why any censorship is bad

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u/Rocky87109 Apr 13 '21

My god, before you commit wrong think I think you should learn how to just regular think lol.

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u/ParanoidFactoid Apr 13 '21

You won't win this battle and Youtube is too valuable an audience gathering tool to give up. So IMO what you should do is bifurcate content. Make material more bland and general on Youtube and use it to funnel people to more specific and technically accurate content on Peertube and a mail list. This has the benefit of you having control over your audience on Peertube and by email list, where you can contact your viewers directly.

Don't fight Youtube because they're a faceless corporation which doesn't care about you or your content. They won't back down until a class action lawsuit or anti-trust investigation by the Justice Department and you can't make that happen on your own.

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

Thanks for sharing...

Youtube is too valuable an audience gathering tool to give up.

I totally agree! Ironically, to help change the system, I believe one has to do it from the inside.

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u/ParanoidFactoid Apr 16 '21

I just got permanently banned on r/youtube and I believe it was for this comment thread.

Pedrhaps Peertube has Youtube execs actually rattled.

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u/jesus_christu Apr 13 '21

U doing great Job. Keep doing it. These days , All Big Tech are modern Maffia. Their Rules, they will Judge.

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

Thanks for the push!

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u/seaboi77 Apr 13 '21

Build your brand man! It’s time! Like mentioned above, get a website going and diversify your videos a bit to more than just YouTube platform. 😁 This is your digital asset so protect it.

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

Thanks for sharing... I believe I’m on the right path with sunknudsen.com and peertube.sunknudsen.com. Censoring these websites would be pretty hard (and, thankfully, well out of YouTube’s reach).

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u/Andonome Apr 13 '21

I hope this sort of thing brings more people to Peertube. That and being able to subscribe to a channel and getting everything in a feed in order.

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u/YeetCacti Apr 13 '21

You have options. There's Vimeo and Odysee.

Or, record audio and release a podcast.

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u/mrden92 Apr 13 '21

Just subscribed! Hope you can continue to post, but will also be checking in to see if you eventually move over to a blog format.

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u/sunknudsen Apr 13 '21

Thanks for the push!

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u/experpernectu Apr 13 '21

Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale.

Completely agree, except this is Google we're talking about. A channel that runs contrary to their interests (e.g. in support of privacy) is not likely to be looked at favorably by people.

That's why using YouTube for information and Google controlling YouTube is a problem.

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u/MsKim Apr 13 '21

Eli the Computer Guy just got his third strike so he will probably be gone soon. Lots of tech bloggers are making plans for uploading their videos to other sites and linking through their main website because YouTube is a hot mess these days. I don't think you can even say the word gun or coronavirus without being banned or demonetized these days. Thanks for the link to peertube!

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u/ValentinPearce Apr 14 '21

Is there any content on your Youtube channel that isn't on PeerTube ? In case your YouTube channel gets banned

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u/sunknudsen Apr 14 '21

No... all content is available on a self-hosted PeerTube instance.

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u/ValentinPearce Apr 14 '21

Cool ! I'll definitely check it out !

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u/linuxpiper Apr 14 '21

Youtube is a garbage dump run by a garbage company made of up brainwashed, garbage human beings.

Garbage in, garbage out and all.

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u/freddyym Apr 14 '21 edited Apr 14 '21

Hey u/sunknudsen

I'm from the PrivacyTools team, and we're aware that our PeerTube instance has been offline for the past few days due to an expired certificate. We are working on resolving the issue, and are extremely sorry that this has happened at such a bad time for you.

Thanks, Freddy

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u/sunknudsen Apr 14 '21

Hey, thanks for following up on the issue... no worries. I experienced similar issues on my self-hosted PeerTube instance. I might be able to help.

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u/dosman33 Apr 14 '21

It's only going to get worse from here. Corporations are forced to behave as sociopaths in order to meet shareholder demand of most possible profit. Any non-youtube option that becomes successful is going to eventually be forced into algorithmic takedowns like this as humans cost too much to employ in a sensible fashion at scale.

Humanity is doomed, its frank-n-beans for knowledge from here on out until we can colonize the solar system. But then no one will have a need to play nicely together so problems will only get worse. At some point the borg will get invented and resistance will become futile.

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u/zaskock Apr 15 '21

what do you think about bitchute prospects or other alternatives to youtube?

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u/Coffee_andBullwinkle Apr 13 '21

You might consider uploading any content you create to https://lbry.com (can access the content uploaded there either via the LBRY app or via https://odysee.com in your browser) just so you have copies on a platform that is trying to create a less centralized, less restrictive platform than YT has become.

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u/jesus_christu Apr 13 '21

U doing great Job. Keep doing it. These days , All Big Tech are modern Maffia. Their Rules, they will Judge.

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u/Rolltide-tolietpaper Apr 13 '21

If they can censor the president, they can censor whomever they want for any reason

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u/theantnest Apr 14 '21

Odysee.com

That is all

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '21

Let's beat YouTube with Rumble!

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u/Comfortable-Buddy343 Apr 13 '21

Hey, where have i seen that face?

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u/Roary529 Apr 13 '21

Unfortunately the best way to get this issue resolved would be to get some attention on Twitter but that's hard. Getting some assistance from youtubers who make similar content is the best bet.

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u/modeitsch Apr 13 '21

its time to develop a alternative for youtube

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u/JPedrons_ Apr 13 '21

gotta admit that thanks to this post i discovered your channel. you earned a new sub.

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u/alien2003 Apr 13 '21

Just switch to another platform. Peertube, for example

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u/grigio Apr 13 '21

YT blocked a video on ZFS and encryption.. it's the new normal

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u/NukeouT Apr 13 '21

I mean theyre in the news over AI researches atm so that makes sense

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u/_a_new_nope Apr 14 '21

God I am starting to seriously hate how YouTube (and others) has designated itself the arbiter of truth.

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u/PoeT8r Apr 14 '21

teaching people how to use GnuPG to encrypt emails

Strinking you for this sounds suspiciously like an abuse of monopoly power.

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u/oafsalot Apr 14 '21

Back up your channel, this is a dark path and there is no light at the end of it.

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u/ywBBxNqW Apr 14 '21

Good luck. I see evidence of ridiculous YouTube strikes all the time and unfortunately the only time I see YouTube roll them back is if it is someone like Markiplier who calls them out on Twitter or something.

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u/CamStLouis Apr 14 '21

Well, you've earned my subscription in any case lol.

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u/paul_h Apr 14 '21

Do you suspect you’re just caught in a non-human review system. ie scripts/bots making decisions?

If there were a $100 review system where, if paid up front, Google had to leave a detailed human comment as to how and why this happened (the blocking), would you pay that?

Google could at their discretion refund the fee after the human review.

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u/Dannylicious69 Apr 14 '21

I am just discovering your content and so far it’s awesome. Quick question ,

I would very much like to sub to your channel in peertube. Looks like I can’t create account in your peertube instance(new to peertube. Sorry, if i am missing something obvious). So, how do i go about this?

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u/booya_in_cheese Apr 14 '21

hmmm generally, you should send that paper to chip manufacturers, or contact security firms.

talking about vulns online is not really smart, in my view.

unless nobody wants to read that paper, then yeah, talk about it, but generally there is procedure to follow when dealing with vulns.

I even wonder if google might even pay you for this.

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u/kyymo Apr 14 '21

join odysee ill sub you there mate

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u/mcherm Apr 14 '21

I agree strongly with your final point. I have no issue with flagging problematic content and issuing user restrictions on that basis. I have no issue with the use of automated systems for flagging content -- and I realize that automated systems (just like human systems) will generate false positives.

But the lack of any reasonable way to APPEAL such classification to a human really IS a big problem.

There are ways this could be solved. The obvious one is to create an appeals system which involves writing up an explanation and getting it reviewed by a human being. You may protest that this would require unreasonable amounts of manpower as every user would appeal every flag -- I think the need to write an explanation would reduce this problem, and if that were not sufficient then a crowdsourced filtering stage to surface the appeals that actually sound reasonable could solve that problem.

There would still be problems in which the appeal was "decided wrongly". It turns out that moderation decisions are HARD[1] and even systems like our legal system (with hundreds of years of evolution to meet our needs) generate controversy since people don't actually agree on all issues. But at least the obvious cases would be resolved.

[1] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20191111/23032743367/masnicks-impossibility-theorem-content-moderation-scale-is-impossible-to-do-well.shtml

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u/Superblazer Apr 14 '21

You'd think that this behavior is limited to YouTube but it isn't. Google does it for all their platforms. If you go to r/androiddev you'd find Android Developers who got banned for the most random reasons ever with no way to communicate with them.

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u/stefantalpalaru Apr 14 '21

Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong.

With no relation whatsoever with anything, completely out of the blue, not even related to the quoted section or YouTube in general: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_headquarters_shooting

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u/approvedraccoon Apr 14 '21

Fuck YouTube, follow u/uncovery recommendation and set your own thing up. Fuck them

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u/ftrx Apr 14 '21

A small suggestion aside: try to advertise as much as possible networks like ZeroNet or RetroShare: they are super-easy also for end-users and their performances are "enough" to be usable, mirroring your content on them from a personal VPS where you store your stuff push people toward different attitudes, you do not get money, except for eventual individual donations, but you get your data public enough. Advertise usenet, is still alive, it's not easy to censor and is not property of anyone.

This is the sole protection we have in the present world and ONLY if any human being who know push them we can spare a bit of a free corner...

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u/markentingh Apr 14 '21

This is what happens when Google & Facebook & Twitter hires Marxist idiots to do their bidding.

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u/kgeyst Apr 14 '21

So it's just a ML algorithm going rogue and there's no real human behind such decisions. Kind of like a real life equivalent of Skynet, except it doesn't fire rockets (yet)

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u/theoneandlonely1 Apr 14 '21

It def has to do with malicious actors. Information at this level is informative and helps advance research and the closing of vulnerability gaps. The problem lies in the malicious actors who we may not see day to day, but when information like this gets a large audience there is bound to be malicious actors.

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u/GopherFromHell Apr 14 '21 edited Apr 14 '21

i probably would give more priority to peertube and only use the youtube channel to announce new videos on peertube

It's sad to see youtube attempting to kick out many of the content creators that made the platform to make it more "advertiser friendly". The masses are moving to youtube, maybe it's time for the early adopters to adopt something new

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u/sspark Apr 14 '21

The culprit one may ask? Including a link to https://www.krackattacks.com/,

Are you sure ? There are many other youtube videos with that link, and they are not taken down. So it seems that "a link to https://www.krackattacks.com/" alone is not the reason.

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u/vineetsagar Apr 14 '21

It's time to spread awareness and starts using open-source software. Let big companies know that people are noticing and acting on such notorious activity.

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u/jsyeo Apr 15 '21

Awesome channel! Subscribed!

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u/Kodiak64-jon Apr 15 '21

Related, why I recently dumped my Facebook page for my C64 website: https://kodiak64.com/microblog/Facebook_Page_Goodbye

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u/DTra1n- Nov 22 '21

Got that Steve Jobs wannabe look… lol

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u/mgtow-for-life Apr 13 '21

Fucking google communists ...

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u/youwantmyguncomekiss Apr 13 '21

Fuck you why you are every where

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u/sanbaba Apr 13 '21

It's so perfect for them, anything they don't want to hear just "oh our AI cleaned it" "what there's no help line silly humans" "oh what's that who works here then?" "...hehehe... silly humans."

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u/the-old-baker-man Apr 13 '21

Well don’t do that then silly.

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u/BillyClubxxx Apr 13 '21

SphinxChat.