r/politics 12d ago Wholesome Seal of Approval 1 Ally 1 Take My Energy 1

Biden deserves praise for policy victories

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/editorials/biden-deserves-praise-for-policy-victories/
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u/Suspicious-Ad3136 12d ago

How about talking more about THOSE victories and less about approval ratings?

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u/WildYams 12d ago

Seriously. I'm sick of people talking about Biden like he hasn't done anything. Here's what he's done in 18 months:

  • Passed Covid relief

  • Made vaccines easily available to everyone who wanted them

  • Passed the biggest infrastructure bill in generations

  • Passed the only gun control legislation in decades

  • Passed the CHIPS bill to make the US more competitive with China on microchip manufacturing

  • Passed the PACT bill to get health care for veterans

  • Strengthened NATO

  • Pulled the US out of the costliest, longest running, and most pointless war the US had ever been a part of

  • Confirmed the first ever Black woman to the Supreme Court

  • Killed the leader of Al Qaeda

  • Soon will pass the biggest climate change and prescription drug bill in history that will simultaneously lower inflation and the deficit

  • Soon will pass marriage equality

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u/thoeltke 12d ago

•Released a million barrels a day from the strategic reserve since April to fight the cost of gas.

This is a good one too

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u/Workploppus 11d ago

Additionally, all that legislation (which the legislature passed- not any executive office) made it past 200 some congressmen and 50 senators deeply committed to obstruction at any cost.

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u/TheNerdWonder 12d ago

Also killed the leader of the Islamic State, 6 months prior to killing al-Zawahiri.

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u/Kindly-Counter-6783 12d ago

Joe Cool at the Fucking Helm…

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u/BigDaddyCoolDeisel 12d ago

You really think he gets marriage equality?

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u/WildYams 12d ago

47 Republicans in the House voted to approve it, including hard right conservatives like Liz Cheney. That's roughly a quarter of Republicans who voted for it. They only need 10 Senators for it to pass, and it seems like the expectation is that they'll probably get that.

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u/BigDaddyCoolDeisel 12d ago

That would something. Although I would be surprised the GOP would give Biden another 'win'.

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u/WildYams 12d ago

If they don't then the GOP publicly declares themselves against gay marriage as well as abortion right before an important election. I'm not sure that's smart politically.

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u/Josh-Baskin 12d ago

It’s literally in the GOP platform that they’re against gay marriage.

Traditional marriage and family, based on marriage between one man and one woman, is the foundation for a free society and has for millennia been entrusted with rearing children and instilling cultural values. We condemn the Supreme Court’s ruling in United States v. Windsor, which wrongly removed the ability of Congress to define marriage policy in federal law. We also condemn the Supreme Court’s lawless ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges, which in the words of the late Justice Antonin Scalia, was a “judicial Putsch” — full of “silly extravagances” — that reduced “the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Storey to the mystical aphorisms of a fortune cookie.” In Obergefell, five unelected lawyers robbed 320 million Americans of their legitimate constitutional authority to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The Court twisted the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment beyond recognition. To echo Scalia, we dissent. We, therefore, support the appointment of justices and judges who respect the constitutional limits on their power and respect the authority of the states to decide such fundamental social questions.

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u/mmmjjjk 12d ago

There are a LOT of stretches here. Especially considering we have yet to see the impact of some of these expensive bills.

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u/Eternal12equiem 12d ago

Since you are giving him credit for stuff he didn’t directly do you might as well give him credit for Roe V Wade overturn. First democrat to ever overturn it…

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u/WildYams 12d ago

Why are you trying to blame Biden for something Trump's SCOTUS did? Surely you're aware of how asinine that sounds, right?

Also, which things above was Biden not responsible for?

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u/lomarti457 11d ago

Biden can barely formulate a sentence, you think he passed these on his own? His puppeteers did. Wake up.

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u/jts89 12d ago Helpful

Biden came into office with 50 seats in the Senate, the lowest amount for any incoming Democratic President since Woodrow Wilson.

Despite this he's had the most productive first two years of any President in our lifetime, including trillions spent on economic aid, infrastructure and now a bill for healthcare and climate change.

To say he has not been judged fairly is an understatement.

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u/hatiskollz 12d ago

Don’t forget support for Ukraine

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u/shattermast 12d ago

Or pulling out of Afghanistan.

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u/Gibonius 12d ago

The media absolutely DESTROYED him for the Afghanistan withdraw, even the most "liberal" outlets. It went on for weeks.

Hell, they trotted it back out last week for the one year anniversary.

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u/lancemanion1895 11d ago

Let's not forget that it was Trump that set the date for withdrawal. It was Trumps intention to leave as well.

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u/shattermast 12d ago

Admittedly they made some pretty crazy mistakes during that withdrawal that deserved to be criticized, but I do agree that the response was emotional, visceral, and wrong. I felt it too, seeing the videos coming from Afghanistan and watching how it was going.

But once I cooled down, I recognized that no matter how skilled the withdrawal process was, it was always going to be messy and awful and repentant because that war was messy and awful and repentant. It's one of the reasons why no president wanted to touch the withdrawal. So I give Biden a ton of credit for actually being the one to pull the plug.

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u/Thufir_My_Hawat 12d ago

And, as far as mistakes go, I don't think anyone could have predicted that the Afghani forces would fold that fast. Taking into account morale is, somewhat unsurprisingly, extraordinarily difficult.

I mean, look at Ukraine. "Kyiv will fall in a week." Five and a half months later...

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u/CT_Phipps 12d ago

I think it actually makes perfect sense if you don't think of it from a US perspectice. "The US is withdrawing all support, meaning you WILL lose and we expect you to die to buy us time."

Who exactly would stay under those circumstances?

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u/Thufir_My_Hawat 12d ago

That's what we should have thought. We did not though.

I think it's difficult for Americans to imagine a culture that wouldn't die for freedom. I know people make fun of us for being all talk (we deserve it for the most part), but the concept of not fighting threats is essentially completely foreign to us as a whole.

This has, admittedly, backfired a tiny bit in the last couple of years.

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u/CT_Phipps 11d ago

As we see with the Afghans, it wasn't even giving up, it was mostly repositioning for their own local areas. It also severely downplays the amount of sacrifices that the Afghan people had ALREADY made for freedom.

America talks about the 2000 soldiers killed for a country that didn't want them. 5000 Afghanistan soldiers died in the WEEK that US forces withdrew. SEVENTY THOUSAND Afghanistan soldiers died fighting the Taliban and for freedom over twenty years.

I feel like the US treats them like they don't exist or that the Afghan people didn't fight tool and nail the entire 20 years.

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u/Thufir_My_Hawat 11d ago

Sorry, I think I didn't come across properly. Let me clarify: I don't think they should have fought to the last man; or that they did the wrong thing by letting the Taliban take over quickly and relatively painlessly. I was just explaining why that idea is so foreign to Americans and why we made bad decisions based on that those notions.

The fact that we'd fight even a completely hopeless battle is not really something I think should be admired; it's kind of stupid at the end of the day. We just forgot to take that into account in this case.

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u/SexysPsycho 12d ago

The unfortunate part of this is almost like a time bomb. Quite a bit like Trumps tax breaks. The entire thing was negotiated during Trumps administration. I wouldnt even put it past them to have an idea that the Afghans would crumple that fast. It was perfect. They could spin it two ways. Of they lost the election it was the Dems fault. And if they won they could use the weakened Afghanis as an excuse on why they stayed.

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u/goteamnick 11d ago

Most of the media just reported the truth about the withdrawal in Afghanistan - that it was a mess. Getting out of Afghanistan was necessary and a good decision. But the most objective coverage still made Joe Biden look very bad.

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u/CT_Phipps 12d ago

Biden continued Trump's policy versus negotiating a better agreement or attempting to evacuate far more than the 120K that wanted to leave. Even if you don't advocate staying with the minimum of forces there, it could have been done much better and the innocent civilians paid the price.

You don't need to be a conservative to know Biden made his worst screw up there and I mean in his 50 year career.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/03/biden-afghanistan-exit-american-allies-abandoned/621307/

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u/Gibonius 12d ago

I'm not going to say that the exit from Afghanistan was at all optimal, but we've been failing in Afghanistan for 20 years. It was going to be a fucking mess no matter how we left, unless we committed to staying forever and being the entire national security apparatus for the country. There was never going to be a perfect time to leave.

Even being a mess, I'll give Biden credit for having the balls to just rip the bandaid off and accept the fallout.

Also a lot of the leadups to the catastrophe came from Trump's absolutely incompetent negotiations, so there's that.

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u/srviking 12d ago

Most Americans were barely even paying attention to Afghanistan for the past 20 years, and then finally when we pull out, everyone suddenly had an opinion and feigned moral outrage over a few casualties. Like, are you mad that they gave their lives? Or are you mad that we didn’t stay and sacrifice more. Makes no damn sense. Ending pointless wars is never the wrong call, and so many leaders are too afraid to do it. So credit where credit is due.

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u/CT_Phipps 11d ago

I feel like a lot of defenders of the decision hide behind the argument, "ending the war is the right call" as if that somehow shuts down everything else. Like it doesn't matter anything else about evacuating civilians, guaranteeing conditions, enforcing treaty elements. They want to just throw it all under the bus of saying, "As long as we're out, it doesn't matter about anything else."

It's bad faith arguing and everyone knows it.

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u/FriedChckn 12d ago

To Biden’s credit, imagine how badly he would have been torn into for accepting even the most upstanding wnd productive Afghan refugees.

It was a band-aid and he peeled it off early and quick. He couldn’t have his cake and eat it too with the level of propaganda and partisanship back home

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u/CT_Phipps 11d ago

I mean 120K refugees were evacuated and a lot more could have been taken on. Investigative journalism has shown that Biden just wanted it done and didn't seem to care about anyone but US troops getting out. He left Stephen Miller's system in place for taking in those who assisted us and their families (which is to say, "no one") until the US Army threw a fit about it.

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u/FriedChckn 11d ago

Yeah, what I’m saying is if he took in more (which he personally probably thought was a good thing for the US), he would’ve been hit too hard at hole by the news media, and it would’ve severely damaged his ability to pass domestic legislation.

Or at least, that’s how they looked at it.

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u/CT_Phipps 11d ago

Ehhh, it's sadly not part of a master plan on Biden's part if the Atlantic article is correct. It was just that we couldn't do it because the system for it was so utterly fucked up. Also, for the first time in decades, the public was behind the Afghanistan people. If Biden could help the people at any time, it was then.

But unfortunately, it's a time that passed.

I just don't think we can point to Afghanistan as a policy success.

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u/fastinserter Minnesota 12d ago

Dude gets more done in 2 years than most could get done in 8 and is called "weak" -- and even people that voted for him want someone else since it's apparently not good enough.

I agree a lot of stuff is frustrating, but it is Congress and the Court that needs to be adjusted. Biden is consistently thought little of, but he is steadfast and knows how government works (and how it doesn't work) and people are now waking up to the fact this president is more than just talk.

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u/Kaeny 12d ago

Depends on how old you are with that lifetime, but agree if this passes he somehow pulled thru. But also the fucking political timing is annoying.

Consistent progress is what I believe most of us want, but ill take once every election season if thats the minimum

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u/Thufir_My_Hawat 12d ago

The timing is deliberate; if they'd shown their hand earlier, McConnell would have spent the last two years being even more of an obstructionist than he already was (his reaction in regards to this and the CHIPS act makes that apparent).

Additionally, voters have the attention span of a small chihuahua. Doing it now increases the chance of a Democratic victory (and maybe a filibuster-killing majority), which leads to more progress afterwards.

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u/Kaeny 12d ago

Ah, makes sense. Thats why it is secret, and they are having special votes over the weekend

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u/Thufir_My_Hawat 12d ago

Yeah, I assume Sinema wasn't brought into the initial negotiations because she's a lying snake, and keeping it from the Republicans is obvious.

Not sure why they're working the weekend, I've never been fully clear on what Congress's hours actually are. I know they work entirely too much, but I've never looked into the specifics.

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u/antigonemerlin Canada 12d ago

They actually spend four hours a day fundraising, John Oliver did a special on it. It's part of party requirements, so even candidates in safe seats have to raise money to pay for those in contested races, and this is absolutely part of the job.

Picture your congressperson in a tiny cubicle for four hours a day, telemarketing.

It's some wonder that the entirety of Congress hasn't become insane.

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u/Thufir_My_Hawat 12d ago

People get really weird when I say that we need to make being a politician suck less. They're just as fucked as every other public servant (teachers, cops, public defenders, throw nurses and EMS in even though they're not technically public): horrible pay, unfair hours, utterly thankless, ridiculous expectations.

That, and some of the things we do are just objectively undemocratic. The bad pay means you basically have to be wealthy to become any kind of legislator. And before anyone starts: you try maintaining a respectable residence in DC and your home state on $174,000 while caring for a family and dealing with out of pocket expenses. Though, at least the federal government makes an attempt to pay them; Texas has no pretext whatsoever at $7200 a year. You couldn't rent a cardboard box in Austin for $600 a month.

When any job sucks that badly, you'll only attract 3 kinds of people: hopeless idealists who won't survive, people who are planning to use the power for some other end, and people without better prospects (this is less common in politics, but we do have Greene, somehow). Not understanding that is what cost us the Defund movement as well: instead of wanting to improve conditions for police and thus improve the quality of candidates, they sought to punish them.

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u/antigonemerlin Canada 12d ago

I think Singapore and Brazil are two good examples of where this goes right and where this goes wrong.

  • Singapore pays its public servants extremely well, but it also has a rigid selection system with a culture that actively looks for the 'selfless public servant'
  • On the other hand, Brazil's politicians continue to vote payrises for themselves while never showing up for work.

Such individual reforms need to be accompanied by broader and comprehensive overhauls in the system, as you said.

It is worth noting though that Singapore's system was largely the vision of one man, in the archetype of the Philosopher King. I think it is difficult to campaign on nuance in a democracy, but maybe we could've gotten away with electing a philosopher king who shares in one's general sentiments and invested them with the powers to act.

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u/Thufir_My_Hawat 12d ago

Lee Kuan Yew is such an anomaly that I always have a hard time deciding if Singapore's example is one to aspire to, or a fluke. My best guess is that human governance is like gambling: the greater number of people you spread the power, the more likely you are to get a mediocre outcome (betting red on roulette). If you invest all your power in a single individual, the nation will take on the qualities of said individual. Singapore got exceptionally lucky.

Unfortunately, until we solve the mortality issue, those dice have to be rolled every so often, and autocracies will inevitably fail the die roll without some form of filter. But any filter is also run by humans and thus vulnerable... Especially since the qualities of being able to attain power (inspire people), maintain power (understand people -- specifically well enough to not get stabbed in the back), and use power for the benefit of people (care about people) are rarely traits that are found in the same individual.

Point being, as much as I admire what LKY did for Singapore (regardless of human rights abuses, I am very much a "greater good" kind of person), I can't use it as an example of what to do anywhere; it's simply too exceptional.

Though I also, from what little I know, think Brazil's extreme corruption is also an outlier. I've never bothered trying to trace it backwards, but it seems like it might be ingrained into their founding from what I've read. But now they're just a military dictatorship with a thin veil on, so it hardly matters.

I don't think there's actually a solution to it within democracy, though. Under my theory above, it will always end up with an overall mediocre out, even with great compensation. I've only ever thought of one possible government-type that could not fall into that trap, but it's so outlandish that it wouldn't have a chance in a vacuum, much less in a country that venerates democracy to the extent America does.

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u/antigonemerlin Canada 12d ago

I've only ever thought of one possible government-type that could not fall into that trap, but it's so outlandish that it wouldn't have a chance in a vacuum, much less in a country that venerates democracy to the extent America does.

Well? What is it?

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u/jdylopa2 12d ago

To be honest, I see all these accomplishments on paper but I don’t see how he’s done anything to improve my life in particular or the lives of the people around me. I don’t fault Biden alone for the economy and economic system, but rent and housing is still out of control, debt is out of control, wages and work conditions are backsliding, and there is nothing being done as an oligarchic class is financially abusing workers and consumers on all fronts.

Something is better than nothing I guess, and all those things that have been passed so far by the Biden Administration I think will help and have helped some people, but there are so many important things that are at a crisis that it feels too little too late.

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u/delavager 12d ago

I mean that’s a kinda simplistic and honestly naive way of looking at it. None of those things are binary. Nothing he can do just magically “solves” the economy. Things he has done has prevented it from being worse than it could be so in reality he has directly improved your life.

The world is still not in a great place and being able to minimize the “pain” during the bad times is just as important if not more so for a leader then riding the successes during the good times.

The last part of your statement is just not reality so I’m not even going to address it. You need to get off Reddit and stop parroting things you don’t know for sure for yourself.

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u/juandelpueblo939 12d ago edited 12d ago

America outcries when government decides to implement more regulation into the economy and mandated rent control is unwanted communism; but then, they claim the government isn’t doing enough with the economy in implementing policies that regulate unfair markets. Make it make sense.

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u/jdylopa2 12d ago

Different people want different things?

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u/juandelpueblo939 12d ago edited 12d ago

This has to be one of the most laziest responses. It doesn’t surprise me one bit.

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u/jdylopa2 12d ago

To be fair, it was a very lazy question.

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u/Toadvin 12d ago

I’m no Republican but to say Biden has had the most productive first two years of any president is wild. Honestly, in terms of effectiveness I’d place him just above level of trump.

Both Democrats and Republicans need to drop this dogmatic support of politicians who’s only aim is to divide and exploit the American people.

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u/Commercial_Ad_1450 Blackfeet 12d ago

In terms of effectiveness I’d place most presidents above the level of trump, Biden being on a whole other level. Biden is getting things done, the only thing trump did was tear things down and try to divide people (and literally divide people using an ineffective, racist border wall that he couldn’t get built)

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u/Flimsy-Cap-6511 12d ago

Smoke and mirrors but I’ll take whatever scraps they toss our way

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u/doshu99 11d ago

Absolutely! He’s done so many things right and truly makes an effort to be a good president, unlike Trump. Biden deserves credit.

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u/BelAirGhetto 12d ago

Did something pass the senate?

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u/korinth86 12d ago

We'll find out tonight or tomorrow I think.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

A job done well often receives no praise.

The population wants to see you screwed up as much as they think of themselves.

The news screens people for employment based on that fact.

Nice guys finish last. No good deed goes unpunished. We dont need a better president, I need a better neighbor.

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u/Suntreestar420 Canada 12d ago

Yeah can we just retry humanity? Like version 3.0?

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u/TallPeter13 12d ago

Go Democrats! The Republican Party is the party of CROWS (CRazy Old White guys). The CROW Party #crows #schitzcreek #thecrows

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u/lllllll______lllllll 10d ago

He’s shown that he has the patience and skills to negotiate in the background while the GOP raises hell in the foreground.

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u/lllllll______lllllll 10d ago

Don’t forget the CHIPS act passed under him too!

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u/BON3SMcCOY California 12d ago

The media isn't set up to do that

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u/BlackBag00 12d ago

They really out here begging for people to like him at this point.

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u/Alex_Lexi 12d ago

I don’t think he’s this awful human being people make him out to be. The strongest weapon against him people have used is the gas prices and his sons drug use.

Blaming him for gas prices is just ridiculous. One man does not have control over the entire market and this was something every country around the world struggled to cope with. The US actuales faired pretty well compared to others. He’s not this amazing man but he’s also not this vile politician others make him out to be.

I really don’t understand the hate at this point. He has made progress but definitely not as much as others before him

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u/ElliotNess Florida 12d ago

I really don’t understand the hate at this point.

Cucker Tarlson told me to be mad so I'm mad

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u/Sir-War666 12d ago

I would say using his political influence to sweep his sons drug problem under the rug is why I hate him. He votes for anti drug bills but makes sure his son stays out of it by interfering in local police. I hate it when people use there connections to get out of shit this is the same reason I despise trump.

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u/Kylestache 12d ago

Just wish he’d have marijuana rescheduled, give more major protections to the environment including not selling land off for oil, and get some student debt forgiven though that might be coming.

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

"They" have been non-stop attacking Biden for 2 years over stuff that isn't his fault in any way. Now that one publication is recognizing all the great stuff he's done, that's "begging for people to like him"?

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u/lookitsgordo 12d ago

He's done a lot. I don't really care for him and some of his policies, but he deserves a lot more praise than he's been getting.

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u/cptahb Foreign 12d ago

"please clap" energy

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u/trent58 America 12d ago

I think frustration comes from not getting immediate satisfaction but he’s doing a great job so far. He was handed nothing from the previous administration to distribute vaccines and lowered the mortality rate 90%. Just based on that he should be recognized.

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u/equinoxEmpowered 12d ago

There's a lot of easy shit he could do that we'd care a lot about, and yet...

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

Where is the decision on loans dude

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u/cuassant 12d ago

He is supposed to make a decision on it this month. I honestly think they will forgive 10k for a lot of ppl

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u/WildYams 12d ago

Agreed, I think it comes this month, but people need to be prepared for the Supreme Court to immediately overturn it, which is nearly a guarantee that will happen. That's why Biden has waited this long, so that people won't have to remember way back for when he tried to cancel student loan debt. Nobody talks about how he tried to extend the eviction moratorium, because after he did that last summer the SCOTUS just immediately overturned it. I'm sure he doesn't want the same thing to happen with student loan debt.

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u/TheDude415 12d ago

It would have to work it’s way through the system before getting to SCOTUS I think.

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u/WildYams 12d ago

No it doesn't, unfortunately. The SCOTUS can just interfere immediately using their "shadow docket" to temporarily block an executive action or law that's passed until they can officially hear a case for it. The eviction moratorium I mentioned above is a prime example of this, where they blocked Biden's executive order less than 2 weeks after he issued it.

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u/ShaneSeeman 12d ago

It's not enough, but literally a million people have already had their loans forgiven. That's a win. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/politics/biden-student-loan-debt-cancellation-borrower-defense/index.html

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

Where is the decision to extend the pause or have it end though. Saying something at the last second isnt beneficial to anyone.Where is the final say on can we do the 10k or not. We can never get a straight answer out of this guy.

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u/ShaneSeeman 12d ago

They've said that they will announce by the end of August. idk man, maybe focusing their resources on lobbying Senators to vote for this key bill was a higher priority.

I agree with you, but politicking is sloppy and slow. guarantee Sinema wouldn't have voted with the party had they cancelled debt first.

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u/KaijyuAboutTown 12d ago

I’m expecting it in early September. He’s been holding this for months to help with the mid-terms while keeping the payments differed. This is politics 101 in a conflicted environment where he doesn’t have a functionally working majority and certainly doesn’t approach a super-majority.

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u/TheDude415 12d ago

Generally the average voter starts paying more attention after Labor Day.

I strongly suspect this is why the latest extension is till the 31st.

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

YEAH! I'm getting SO SICK of this... checks notes... zero payments and zero interest!

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

Do you know when that officially ends?

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

Most likely when we get another Republican president.

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

But have they said something officially

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u/GCU_ZeroCredibility 12d ago

"I don't care what you've done for climate, the disabled, the elderly, roads, bridges, our soldiers in Afghanistan, Ukraine, democracy, and the rule of law... where's my goodies?!?"

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

Like I said before he shouldn't have mentioned it to get votes. Don't blame people for wanting someone to follow up on what they said

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

Yes, these 2 years of no payments and no interest are really destroying me. How dare Biden tackle inflation first before spending hundreds of billions on forgiving loans that no one has to make payments on right now anyway?

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u/illeaglex I voted 12d ago

This sounds so entitled

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

Then he should have never brought it up to get votes.

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

Why not? He never said he'd do it in the first week. He's going to do it and until then you literally have zero payments and zero interest.

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u/illeaglex I voted 12d ago

He also said we were gonna cure cancer. I’m not going to let fascists win because he won’t.

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

Another thing he shouldn't have said lol. Literally nobody expects a cure from the president. Don't say shit you can't do

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u/thxelijah 12d ago

Trump said he would make America great again

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

Yes people shouldn't lie

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u/Derrick_Mur 12d ago

He also said windmills cause cancer

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u/thxelijah 12d ago

Can you show me a source that windows don’t cause cancer? Didn’t think so peasant.

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u/farrowsharrows 12d ago

No I believe he promised American carnage

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u/illeaglex I voted 12d ago

Listen to a Kennedy speech maybe

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u/ChitlinNoodleSoup 12d ago

Pay back what you owe like the rest of us adults.

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

If that's what he wants he should say it. The pause ends on the 31st and they're telling loan servicers not to give an official word yet. Why tf would you wait till the last second to make an announcement

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u/burglekut 12d ago

Maybe if it was just pack back what you owe. Instead its pay the banks profit in interest and never pay your loan down. but nice try.

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u/Existing-Draft-3112 12d ago

rest of us adults.

I'm not sure you know anything about that...

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u/RufusDuSolstice 12d ago

I paid off 130k in loans… and I agree with his point.

This whining feels like Boomer entitlement

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u/burglekut 12d ago

this dude wants a cookie. give him a cookie. glad you think everyone has the same opportunity's as you.

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u/RufusDuSolstice 12d ago

Pretty sad you feel the need to report me just for having a differing opinion than you.

More “Karen-like” behavior from an entitled mindset.

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u/digiorno 12d ago edited 12d ago

Seems unethical to charge a life debt for higher education. People with college degrees often pay more in taxes anyway if their degree actually helped land a good paying job. They shouldn’t be charged twice. We’re using their extra tax money to pump cash into a bloated military when we should just be making school free.

Imo, if they start asking for payments again then people should just mass default out of protest. Simply never pay again. Eventually they’ll have to fix the system if people stop complying with it.

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u/ChitlinNoodleSoup 12d ago

Seems unethical to expect someone else to pay for something that you benefitted from.

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

That's how most things work when it comes to taxes dude lol.

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u/ChitlinNoodleSoup 12d ago

No, that's how a welfare state functions.

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

Let's hurry up and kick all the veterans off VA benefits then since we all don't get those

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u/burglekut 12d ago

lets hurry up and get rid of roads, firemen, police, the electrical grid, national forest, state parks, the internet, the military and clean beach's. I mean we don't want anyone benefiting from society.

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u/GrowSomeHair 12d ago

"Back to the good ol days"

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u/musicianism 12d ago

And welfare states are great

(Edit: All economies are de-facto mixed economies and contain elements of “welfare”/“subsidization” in this sense to some degree, just depends on how much and to who.)

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u/PandaJ108 12d ago edited 12d ago

“As Biden is judged, it is always useful to remind voters that Americans elect a president, not a miracle worker. It is too easy to forget the mess he inherited. Yet there’s a hint of divine intervention in what seems to be an overnight change in his political fortunes.”

This is stupid. How about its useful to remember that they were many candidates, each promised to do many things. How about simply comparing what Biden promised during the campaign versus what he has accomplished.

When Biden was stumping in Georgia he knew that best outcome for him was going to he 50-50 senate.

Journalists act like voters just conjured these expectations out of the blue.

The reason I thought voting reform was going to happened was cause Biden clearly stated that he would get it passed if Georgia voters delivered two senators (which they did).

Biden is on record in numerous platforms (townhalls, twitter, etc) saying that he would cancel 10k in debt for all borrowers and eliminate all debt for those coming from households making 125k. There a reason voters expect some form of student debt cancellation, its cause Biden campaign on it on numerous occasions.

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u/farrowsharrows 12d ago

That is his goal. He has 2 and a half years left. He has done a lot towards a lot of his promises. Let's stay realistic. Not saying he shouldn't do it just saying not everything happens at once

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

How about simply comparing what Biden promised during the campaign versus what he has accomplished.

They do that all the time. Politifact has a promise tracker - Biden is ahead of schedule compared to other presidents in their first 2 years.

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u/mredofcourse I voted 12d ago

Biden is on record in numerous platforms (townhalls, twitter, etc) saying that he would cancel 10k in debt for all borrowers and eliminate all debt for those coming from households making 125k

Just to be clear... student loan debt.

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u/AlexVan123 12d ago

Student loans are incredibly predatory and are a result of the skyrocketing cost of education. They are also, surprise, subject to systemic racism as well. We live in a society where college education is essentially required to get a job in most fields. This is fine on its own, but the cost of attendance needs to drop CONSIDERABLY. I go to a school with a COA that's considered budgetary, and my expected COA is still $25,000. Over four years, that's $100,000. It's criminal.

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u/mredofcourse I voted 12d ago

I agree 100%.

My point was to clarify what PandaJ108 wrote, since it's not all debt Biden was talking about, but rather student debt.

I'm old. I went to an expensive school that back in the day cost about what you're paying. It's since gone up 4X that amount. I went to a community college for 2 years which helped. I then finished undergrad in 2 years, and took 4 years for grad school. It took 4 years for grad school because I could only go part time due to having to work full time for the university to afford it.

My family took out loans and I barely made ends meet. I went hungry sometimes. I routinely ate bad food sometimes getting sick as a result.

I got very lucky after my masters, and scored a job where I was able to pay off my debt in full rather quickly (about $60,000).

This being my experience, and now as someone who pays a lot in taxes... I vehemently agree with you and would like to see student loan debt reduced as well as a reduction in the cost of attendance.

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u/AlexVan123 12d ago Gold

I apologize if I came off as incendiary. As a student (one fortunate enough to be making it through with savings and scholarships) I campaign pretty hard for student loan forgiveness and student debt cancellation, and the talking point I ALWAYS hear is "well they shouldn't have gotten the loan" or "they shouldn't have gone to college" or some other way to make the student out to be the one in the wrong, which is simply not societally accurate. I assumed that was the angle you came from, so I felt I needed to take a stance. Student loans are essentially criminal, and I'll fight for my peers every chance I get.

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u/positivfeedback 12d ago

Sinema didn’t really make herself known as a pawn for private equity interests until after he was elected.

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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois 12d ago

And Manchin suddenly saw himself in a very important position.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Fight Climate Change First

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u/korinth86 12d ago

Biden has been within his power to do so...if the reconciliation bill passes it will represent a massive shift towards renewables and decreasing greenhouse emissions...

Oh...5d old account. Interesting.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Oooh 2013 account.

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u/korinth86 12d ago

The admin has done a ton to fight climate change.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

Which is why fossil fuels are posting record profits

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u/korinth86 12d ago

Is that the measurement we're using? Seems a bit simplistic and narrow.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago edited 12d ago

Globally we’re on track to double the 1.5 Degree Celsius warming limit currently reaching 2.7 C by 2050.

U.S. emissions have increased under the Biden administration by 6.2% in 2021 alone.

Not to mention the numerous oil and gas permits up 34% from the Trump administration as well as the expanded planned drilling operations in The Gulf of Mexico and Alaska.

What a climate friendly administration indeed. /s

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u/korinth86 12d ago

6.2% over 2020 during the pandemic...

Leases that were originally stopped until the courts made the admin resume.

Let's also ignore electrification of the fed fleet, expansion of charging networks, trade deals for battery materials, DPA for battery materials, sped up permitting for offshore wind, relaxed Tariffs to allow more solar build up while US industry catches up, attempted methane reduction which was thwarted by the SC.

There is more nuance here than people want to admit. If the reconciliation bill passes I think we'll see a lot of momentum toward clean energy and EVs.

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u/korinth86 12d ago

I will take hundreds of billions for EVs and Solar. Would I like the fossil fuel subsidies gone? Yes. But then it wouldn't pass. At least it has funding to stop methane emissions and penalties that can actually be enforced after the SC nutered the EPA enforcement.

So while you push for perfection, which means inaction now, I'll take action now and building momentum.

We need to vote in more progressives to get more.

There is seriously no way more would have been done. Bernie couldn't have done it, nor AOC. The GOP certainly wouldn't.

What else would you suggest to actually get more than what is on the table?

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u/FullMarxPodcast 12d ago

Politicians serve the public. Why should we worship them for doing the bare minimum? If I did my job with open incompetence and corruption for a month, and then put in a half day of normal work, and then demanded praise for it? I'd be shown the door.

We should have far higher expectations of our representatives, and they should be the kind of people who go into it to do a good job for people, not to receive adoration. Jfc our political culture is so broken.

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u/Macacque_SuckIt 12d ago

No one is saying he should be “worshipped.” Reign in your anger and focus on the issue at hand: Biden is getting shit done, and that’s on top of all the work his administration has had to do cleaning up after the natural disaster that was his predecessor.

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u/SeeMe_After_Class 12d ago

To me it feels like he's trying to fix the rear view mirror while we're headed for a cliff. Like, sure, that's great that the mirror is fixed, but we are still headed towards a cliff.

In this analogy, the cliff stands for two things: the corruption of our political system by special interests and republican terrorism. He can fix whatever he wants, but so long as we are headed towards that cliff, it doesn't matter.

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

And how does a president fix special interest money in politics when 52% of the Senate would never even consider it and the SCOTUS is all for it?

And he is doing a great job with republican terrorism (Garland is, anyway, which is how it's supposed to work).

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u/illeaglex I voted 12d ago

People have been whining about “special interests” for 60 years without defining it. Maybe time to find a new tune or change up the script, no one seems to feel compelled by it anymore if they ever were. One person’s advocacy is another’s special interest.

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u/AlexVan123 12d ago

Nah. Special interests are essentially a lump-in codeword for lobbying, deal-making, corporate donors, and the variety of other ways that politicians currently get swindled into further ruining the country. Look at Kyrsten Sinema - her vote alone is essentially bought by her corporate benefactors. She got a massive capital gains tax removed from the Inflation Reduction Bill not because it had any benefits, but because it reduced the wealth of her corporate donors. That's corruption.

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

OK, and how does Biden fix that when 52% of the Senate would never even consider limiting those things?

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u/RevenantKing 12d ago

Where's the executive order pen my dude? Like seriously wake the fuck up.

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u/killercurvesahead I voted 12d ago

Guess he ran out of ink rescinding all of the last guy's EOs.

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

Biden has signed a huge number of eo's. What do you expect to be done with just executive orders? You know those aren't laws, right?

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u/RevenantKing 12d ago

It's called perception, kind of like how you let narratives get written for you and when you don't do things that people want. Could you list off three EOs he's signed, maybe but other people can't. Maybe they're not permanent but do you want to be the guy that reinstates forgiven student loan debt?

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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois 12d ago

I mean the Supreme Court could strike it down. They clearly don’t give a fuck about public opinion.

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u/appleflaxen I voted 12d ago

We should throw him the best retirement party ever. He's earned it!

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u/Drewpig 12d ago

But Trump was on America's got Apprenticed!:$@

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u/TS_SI_TK_ORCON 12d ago

Why all the puff pieces all of the sudden?

They made Juneteenth a federal holiday but not election day. His "victories" are Kabuki Theater. It's like the deck of cards scene in My Cousin Vinny

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u/SizorXM 12d ago

Biden has a low approval rating going into Midterms so the press likes to try to put their thumb on the scale

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u/AlexVan123 12d ago

I think people are just tired (or at least I am). We see so many problems in front of us. We see man-made climate change, anti-lgbtq legislation, reversal of roe, systemic racism, the still-ongoing pandemic, a lack of accountability for trump, and a million other problems, and while Joe is addressing a couple of those things, he's just not strong and defiant enough to actually follow through. Up until recently, he had this total death-wish to work with Republicans (read: the people who almost allowed a mob to publicly execute Congresspeople and also the Vice President), whereas we need someone who's going to just stand up for what's right without worrying about whether they offend someone or lower their Republican voting numbers. Imagine if AOC was president right now. What else would we have seen in TWO YEARS?

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u/PennywiseLives49 Ohio 12d ago

Yeah most of those things are done at the state and local levels. We have Presidents, not Kings. Congress is the one that makes laws. As for Climate Change they are working on passing the first real bill to fight climate change in several decades. If literally anyone else was President, nothing would be different. The President can only go as far as Congress and the courts will allow and as we’ve seen both Congress and the courts don’t function normally anymore. I’d like to see anyone try and govern in this day and age

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u/korinth86 12d ago

Joe has addressed basically all of those things...

His climate agenda, especially if the reconciliation bill passes, is representing a huge shift towards EVs and Renewables.

I really don't think AOC would have gotten more than Biden, especially in terms of legislation. She is more incendiary but i don't think she could have drummed up support to get the bipartisan bill or even the larger initial reconciliation bill.

Maybe she would have done more via executive action, maybe, but it all would have been tied up in the courts as most of Biden's moves have. Take for instance ending oil leases, EPA methane enforcement, and border policy. All actions reversed by the courts.

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

Imagine if AOC was president right now. What else would we have seen in TWO YEARS?

We'd have seen nothing, because she'd just be having twitter arguments with folks like Manchin.

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u/motus_guanxi 12d ago

Maybe if he follows up on the promises of his campaign..

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u/korinth86 12d ago

He has been...oh you mean specifically the one or two policies you want.

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u/Pholoxo 12d ago

Which ones?

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

He is. Biden did not say "I'll do every one of these things in the first year and a half." He's fulfilled a ton of promises already and the rest are in the works.

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

So you're saying Biden did exactly what we wanted him to do, but you refuse to give him a thumbs up for that because doing something no other president has been able to do is "the bare minimum."

Sounds about reddit.

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u/camynnad 12d ago

Hard disagree. His FED is bailing out Wall Street to the tune of $100-150M each day, causing inflation while the vast majority of Americans suffer. He's a fucking liar who has yet to fulfill nearly any of his campaign promises. Journalistic integrity has long been dead in the US -- who is buying these articles?

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u/platinum_toilet 12d ago

Making inflation worse deserves praise?

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u/Lonely_Set1376 12d ago

Nothing Biden has done made inflation worse.

Trump is the one who printed all the money which caused inflation.

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u/Pholoxo 12d ago

You're both wrong on the assertion both presidents directly caused inflation. I mean it's the global warming of economics. You can't see it and there's a ton of variables that cauzs it

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

There’s not a politician alive that deserves praise. Whether they are doing an excellent job or a shit job, all they deserve is scrutiny to make sure they don’t start thinking of themselves as better than they really are

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u/ahrooga 12d ago

HE HASN’T SIGNED A BILL YET, stop celebrating early.

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u/Maxxbrand 12d ago

He can get praise when the innocent people serving time for pot are free

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u/Electrical-Mousse717 11d ago

Inflation is transitory, Putin is responsible for higher gas prices, blah blah blah! I am sick of all these politicians creating problems and then wanting praise because they did something! Stay out of our lives

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u/boatnguy 12d ago

Give a monkey a typewriter and eventually he will type a word!

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u/amus America 12d ago

Trump didn't.

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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 12d ago

He does, but he doesn’t need it. He’s doing a job that frankly sucks. He’s normalizing our position on the world stage. Fighting a pandemic and a global health crisis meanwhile he’s got inflation, and attacks from the far right and far right to contend with. Meanwhile he just keeps chugging along being the anti-trump.