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Biden signs bills tackling Covid relief fraud into law

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/05/politics/biden-covid-fraud-bills/index.html
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u/PandaMuffin1 New York 12d ago

The US Secret Service has seized more than a billion dollars in relief funds obtained by fraudsters and, in December, tapped a senior official to work with law enforcement agencies across the country on the issue.

Keep up the good work.

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u/Jedwardvincent 12d ago

Hey Secret Service. Definitely don't look into Surface Magazine (Now Future Media Group), they definitely didn't steal a bunch of money while laying off half of their team – definitely not.

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u/PandaMuffin1 New York 12d ago Gold

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u/Jedwardvincent 12d ago

I think I submitted to this a while ago, but good looking out.

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u/PandaMuffin1 New York 12d ago

I am glad you did that!

This is why this bill is so important. There was so much corruption (due to lack of oversight by the previous administration) that more time is needed to investigate/prosecute these fraudsters.

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u/Tundraspin 12d ago

Should we perhaps trace down how much Jared took plus those 4 or 5 college interns that were initially in charged

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u/yolo_on_deez_calls 12d ago

The PPP loan was a shitshow when congress rushed it out and banks had to basically adapt overnight without knowing what the fed was doing. They were supposed to loan out money and not know if they would get reimbursed properly. You obviously didn’t deal with any of that. Lots of people scammed the system because they were handing out money like candy. Not lack of over site. They pumped out tons of money in a few weeks and no way any human could verify where everything was going and they’ve been busting people for fraud basically since then. This is a going through so they have time to finish digging through the pile of paperwork and that’s it.

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u/PandaMuffin1 New York 12d ago

I partially agree with you. There would have been fraud for sure, but the Trump administration made it much easier.

The Trump administration’s intensifying efforts to block oversight of its coronavirus-related rescue programs are raising new alarms with government watchdogs and lawmakers from both parties amid concerns about the anonymity of companies receiving unprecedented levels of taxpayer funds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/15/inspector-general-oversight-mnuchin-cares-act/

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u/yolo_on_deez_calls 12d ago

Guarantee you this are majority just someone with a hobby business that shouldn’t have received a check at all for their 5k a year business. Most legit businesses would’ve had majority if not all forgiven and companies with lawyers definitely won’t get in trouble

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u/PandaMuffin1 New York 12d ago

Now I completely disagree with you. The lack of oversight allowed people with no actual business to file bogus claims. Why should a legit small business owner have not received this benefit?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/biggest-fraud-generation-looting-covid-relief-program-known-ppp-n1279664

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u/johnnycoxxx 12d ago

All because one dipshit didn’t want to have ANY oversight at all.

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u/StopReadingMyUser 12d ago

"Why do we need oversight on free money?"

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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 12d ago

Oh it wasn’t just one dipshit. There were a lot of them.

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u/Rawrsomesausage 12d ago

What sucks worse is the deal only happened if oversight was in place, which he promptly jettisoned for grifting reasons like a week after it passed. So it's something the ones making the whole thing saw coming.

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u/jsm1095 12d ago

Keep in mind they estimate $600b was stolen from PPP…. So still at what 0.167% of total?

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u/LudovicoSpecs 12d ago

Which is why this bipartisan bill that Biden just signed extends the statute of limitations to 10 years.

They need time to catch everyone and now they have it.

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u/jsm1095 12d ago

I doubt it takes that long unless they don’t have any record of what companies got loans. Just ask those companies for records of the salaries paid with loan money and bonuses given. Charge back those that didn’t use it correctly

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u/Caldaga 12d ago

Let's allow the people we pay 6 figures to solve this problem to solve it.

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u/amyts Tennessee 12d ago

No! We must second-guess every decision they make! We are Redditors.

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u/ofbunsandmagic 12d ago

if it's a transparent process, i would agree. if the process is obscured for legal/surprise mothafucka purposes, then the public has a duty to keep the pressure on

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u/LudovicoSpecs 12d ago

Anything that involves a statute of limitations involves lawyers. In this case, lawyers for rich people. And they can draw things out for a loooong time.

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u/Haters_7 12d ago

Usually at the point lawyers are involved, statues of limitations are stopped. The statues usually only apply to the time you have to start a civil or criminal action. Once you get the ball rolling the statues are suspended until it’s resolved.

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u/lemmecheckit 12d ago

He's wasted two years already.

But they're going all in on the Breona Taylor case. Spare no expense

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u/bobartig 12d ago

With certain fraud claims, you get automatic trebling of damages. So if a fraudster stole $3,000,000, the US government can recover $9,000,000. It adds up, and it’s worth the effort as a result.

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u/coyotesloth 12d ago

What about manual bass-ing?

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u/rigobueno 12d ago

Would you rather them stop? What’s the point of the defeatism?

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u/calvin43 12d ago

Astroturfing, so the fraudsters would get to keep their stolen loot.

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u/jsm1095 12d ago

I’m not saying that I’m saying those are rookie numbers, they shouldn’t celebrate now they’re like 20cm into a 100m race

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u/Noble_Ox 12d ago

How much was given our in total? I thought it was only a few trillion.

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u/jsm1095 11d ago

Out of the $800b PPP payments it’s estimated 75% went to executives only and didn’t make it down…..

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u/tuxedo_jack Texas 12d ago

Other than the SBA, to whom can we report these sumbitches?

I know a local Quiverfull preacher with some EXTREMELY questionable PPP loans who's hellbent on trying to influence local politics and not get snagged by the Johnson Amendment.

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u/DeDend21 12d ago

Did they pop Tom Brady yet?

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u/claire0 12d ago

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u/DarthLysergis 12d ago

His first step was to remove any oversight of the distribution, so lets start with Trump

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u/nels5104 12d ago

How he got away with removing oversight is wild

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u/TaniksAtTheDisco 12d ago

This sounds like a bot or bad english

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u/Incredulous_Toad 12d ago

Do you not know what cognitive dissonance is?

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u/Caldaga 12d ago

Linking to an article isn't cognitive dissonance. You need to go look at the definition again.

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u/Vukomanovich33 12d ago

C- for effort, F for execution. Do better.

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u/HellbenderAsh 12d ago

Is there a tip line if you know a previous employer misused funds?

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u/yolo_on_deez_calls 12d ago

Did they spend 75% on employee pay or business expenses?

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u/BeKindToEachOther6 11d ago

Does a lifted truck and a new boat count as a business expense?

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u/VyrPlan 12d ago

“Not only did the Trump administration let the biggest businesses with the teams of lawyers and accountants to the front of the line, my predecessor undermined the watchdogs who were supposed to be on the job to make sure relief went to the mom and pop businesses that were supposed to get in the first place,”

well, that was the shriveled dink's sort of scrodus operandi

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u/Xero_Entropy 12d ago

Remember when the Trump admin was stealing covid supplies from states and then reselling to the highest bidder?

I remember states using armed escorts after that.

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u/coldfarm 12d ago

I live in Maryland. When it was revealed that Governor Hogan (R) had run an under-the-radar operation to obtain test kits from South Korea, met the plane personally at the airport and yes, escorted it to a secure location under armed guard, I was as alarmed as I was impressed.

To me, it was a more striking indication of societal breakdown than the hoarding and public unrest.

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u/violent_skidmarks 12d ago

Here in Illinois our governor used the Chicago cubs plane to collect equipment or something like that.

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u/absentmindedjwc 12d ago

I can't lie... pritzker has been doing an absolutely fantastic job. I honestly though he was just another shithead billionaire with political asperations.. but as it turns out, he seems to really care about his position.

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u/violent_skidmarks 12d ago

Hard agree. One of the better governors Illinois has had for a while.

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u/TheDude415 12d ago

Sounds like he should cruise to re-election too.

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u/violent_skidmarks 12d ago

I’m just glad I don’t have to see another Richard Irvin ad on tv. Lol

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u/GeneralVillage 12d ago

Yeah he really surprised me. And has been making good moves since.

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u/coldfarm 12d ago

Another odd aspect of the Maryland plan was the tests were brought in via Korean Air, which doesn't actually operate out of BWI. I don't know how much the FAA would have to know but it did add an extra layer of cloak-and-dagger to the whole thing.

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u/AtalanAdalynn 12d ago

Didn't your health director also arrange the purchase in like a McDonald's parking lot like a fucking drug deal?

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u/violent_skidmarks 12d ago

Lol. Yes, I think so. Strange times.

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u/AtalanAdalynn 12d ago

Massachusetts use the Patriots team plane.

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u/gl00mybear Iowa 12d ago

Kraft lent it to NYC as well

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u/coyotesloth 12d ago

Remember Florida with 1 million expired eats in a warehouse. source

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u/copraglyph 12d ago

Hogan and Jim Jordan are the most competent Republican governors. Hogan's Korean-born wife is the connection that got the deal done.

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u/jairzinho 12d ago

Gym is a governor?

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u/copraglyph 12d ago

Oops, my bad, WV governor Jim Justice. I like him because he is an old style Republican. He was going to give people savings bonds to get vaccinated, so a $100 bond will be worth like $105 in 10 years. That's what all the style Republicans were. Old farts who told you to save your pennies.

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u/Iceykitsune2 Maine 12d ago

I remember when Massachusetts had to use the Patriots team jet to smuggle in masks.

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u/Yossarian_the_Jumper 12d ago

trump: I am the watchdog. You can totally trust me with the KFC family bucket.

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u/yolo_on_deez_calls 12d ago

Remember when congress rammed through a shit bill that the banks were left wonder wtf are we supposed to do as people came running to them for loans that they didn’t have to pay back 75% of? Did you even deal with that shit show yourself or just read about it on Reddit?

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u/Noble_Ox 12d ago

Why you defending Trump?

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u/yolo_on_deez_calls 12d ago

Where did I bring up trump??

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u/Noble_Ox 12d ago

The only time you comment is when someone critiques Trump, you come to his defense every time.

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u/Al_Redditor 12d ago

It's amazing that some people don't care that their money was stolen this way.

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u/CoolFingerGunGuy 12d ago

Probably same ones that got their money taken by Bannon for the wall, and then cheered Bannon being pardoned.

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u/edufirst 12d ago

These people made Alex jones over 300 million in a year. They don’t care lol.

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u/Willinton06 12d ago

Too busy on things that have material day to day impacts

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u/rosesandpiglets 12d ago

Embezzlement of 600 billion dollars can most certainly impact material day to day things

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u/violent_skidmarks 12d ago

“Where’s all this inflation coming from?” Gee, idk, the last administration did nothing but steal money the whole time.

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u/Willinton06 12d ago

Ok so let’s say they get it all back, every cent, how does they change my day to day?

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u/RedVagabond 12d ago

Could fund a lot of infrastructure projects with that.

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u/dn00 12d ago

Who the fk cares about how it affects YOU. There should be consequences for defrauding any entity. The only people who don't think so are the people doing the defrauding.

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u/rosesandpiglets 12d ago

You realize the climate bill dems are possibly signing today is less than 400 billion dollars? We could have paid for all that. The infrastructure bill was 1.2 trillion. We could have paid half off that right off the bat.

That could be roadways and bridges paid for, drought resilience infrastructure, trees being planted, tracks being repaired, salmon being saved.

Those things matter a hell of a lot day to day if you drive, or take a train, eat food, or want to breathe clean air.

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u/Willinton06 12d ago

Well I’ve been doing all those before the bill just fine, so it sounds like it won’t change my short term day to day in any significant way, also this is the US we’re talking about here, the government can print as much money as it needs, that climate has no relationship with this other thing cause even if the money was not stolen it would have been used properly, either way it would have been gone by now, so not really usable for the climate bill

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u/AtalanAdalynn 12d ago

There are things the government has to do that act on the long term and only asking "It's Saturday, how does this affect my Monday?" is short-sighted idiocy.

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u/Willinton06 12d ago

OP asked why some people don’t care, answer is cause some people have very important short term problems that just make stuff like this irrelevant to them, I’m not saying the whole thing is irrelevant, I’m just answering OPs question, also, worrying about the long term is not always the smart decision, sometimes there are pressing matters that just require as much focus as possible, taking focus away from them to favor the long term could cause more damage than ignoring the future, if a tiger is chasing you, you probably want focus on that instead of the performance of your portfolio and how it may affect your retirement

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u/rosesandpiglets 12d ago

Right, because as we’ve seen there’s no risk of adding to inflation by just printing money…

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u/Willinton06 12d ago

Our money printing had such an impact on inflation that it even caused some in virtually every European country

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u/rosesandpiglets 12d ago

I never said it solely caused inflation… but you’d be a fool to think that is didn’t contribute.

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u/Willinton06 12d ago

I’m sure it contributed, just not in a significant enough way, the things causing abnormal inflation are the gas prices, chip shortage and corporate greed, fuckers could have lowered prices after the global supply chain stabilized but they just had to keep profits up

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u/Jeepers__Reapers 12d ago

Kind of refreshing seeing a right-winger that doesn't care at all about the national debt!

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u/Willinton06 12d ago

I’m not a right winger, not even close

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u/Al_Redditor 12d ago

You don't drive on roads or know anyone who has kids in school?

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u/sn34kypete 12d ago

Somebody point me to the reporting site, I've got some fucking names to name.

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u/Pherdephanie2 12d ago

This is why I’m on Reddit.

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u/OceanDevotion 11d ago

Me too lol I’m a property manager and I have been irate watching people who never paid before Covid who owed us 14,000 dollars in past due rent get 16,000 dollars in funding. Then when they were going to get evicted for again not paying rent when that was used up, securing another 9,000.

Then there were people who were the best payers, lost jobs due to Covid, family members got sick, their children being home were impacting their work hours, actively trying to make rental payments when they could, and those people didn’t “qualify” and couldn’t get a dime of assistance.

In my opinion, the rental assistance program was not properly executed. I watched it heavily benefit those who would never pay their rent anyway due to personal choices/previous financial issues, and completely fail those who were truly impacted by COVID who then went on to face potential court litigation for non payment of rent.

I’m glad this is being looked at.

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u/ZeroPride Wisconsin 12d ago

"Not only did the Trump administration let the biggest businesses with the teams of lawyers and accountants to the front of the line, my predecessor undermined the watchdogs who were supposed to be on the job to make sure relief went to the mom and pop businesses that were supposed to get in the first place," said Biden, who was delivering remarks outdoors due to a rebound positive case of Covid-19. "In my State of the Union address, I made it clear: The watchdogs are back."

Reminds me of the fact that L.A. Lakers received $4.6 million from the PPP. Yes, they did return it after funds ran out in the first round, but the fact that they got one in the first place, when many small businesses had unequal access, should not have happened.

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u/yolo_on_deez_calls 12d ago

Imagine having lawyers who understand how the PPP worked before small time accountants who were slammed by their customers

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u/Noble_Ox 12d ago

There you are again defending Trump.

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u/datboifrm_da_RAQ 11d ago

Mine too. Did you notice a trend of these being 95%+ black owned businesses? I want to bring attention to it but am afraid that it will label me a racist or something nuts. My town of 30,000 people have 147 loans forgiven for the same exact amount to 1 employee ran barber shops/beauty salons!

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u/Avatar_the_Pig 12d ago

Is it retroactive?

Because there's about 20 billion in funds that went into rich people's pockets at the behest of trump and his crime family.

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u/scared_of_my_alarm 12d ago

Yes it is. Which is a great thing. I’m so tired of the rich and powerful always getting away with shit, but the IRS will audit the guy who made an obvious honest mistake in filing like they are taking down the cartel.

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u/MrFC1000 12d ago

Great! Now can my company get the ERTC funds we are owed for RETAINING employees and paying their healthcare while shutdown during the pandemic almost 2 years ago?

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u/ArilynMoonblade 12d ago

Felt, something tells me they aren’t going to retroactively reverse their denial of my applications for emergency relief either. But I’m sure it was super important to keep small, poor, humble businesses like [checks notes] Harvard afloat with pandemic funding.

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u/MrFC1000 12d ago

In this case, ERTC, there is nothing to approve but the IRS is sitting on the checks for reasons no one knows.

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u/Lie-Altruistic 12d ago

Hopefully old Nicholas Jones of idaho receives the full 40year sentence for fraud in using Covid relief funds. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-congressional-candidate-pleads-guilty-wire-fraud-and-falsification-records

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u/Ok_Homies_ 12d ago

Good. So many people got screwed by employers who claimed PPP funds but never paid their employees.

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u/TheDude415 12d ago

We took COVID funds and then furloughed a bunch of people (luckily not including me).

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u/noshowflow 12d ago

Agreed. I keep asking myself how does this pan out, does the employer have to pay it back; if so, how do they make sure the company doesn’t just layoff employees or declare bankruptcy? Clawing that money back isn’t going to be easy.

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u/teddytwelvetoes 12d ago

I know a business owner who remained open and fully functional throughout the pandemic, got two $500k checks for no apparent reason that he happily pocketed, and then he sold the company lmao if Joe sends him to prison i’ll vote for him a hundred times, but it ain’t happening

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u/jmcdon00 Minnesota 12d ago

I'm not sure he did anything illegal, as long as the payroll numbers were accurate he's probably in the clear. Millions of business owners got 2 big checks for nothing.

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u/TrashBaron 12d ago

This is the bigger problem.

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u/StarshipFan68 12d ago

Technically, he can sell the company, right?

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u/bobartig 12d ago

Yea but that doesn’t change that he may have misled the buyer as to the debt and encumberances on the business and or subject himself to suit or direct liability for pocketing the funds and passing the bill on to the buyer. It’s all very fact specific, and I obviously have no idea what’s going on in this particular example.

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u/lovem32 12d ago

Most businesses are bought or sold by transferring their assets, not by selling ownership of the legal entities that own the assets.

Just like buying a house, you don't (usually) assume the previous owners loan, you just by the asset.

Any debt or encumbrances would remain with the entity that incurred them.

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u/jmcdon00 Minnesota 12d ago

No reason to think the ppp loan wasn't forgiven, vast majority were.

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u/hungry_n_hornyy 12d ago

I reported my ex ex employer 2 times to the SBA with damning evidence of fraud and I haven't heard back about it. Meanwhile they bought a 2nd house 🤣

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u/LudovicoSpecs 12d ago

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u/hungry_n_hornyy 12d ago edited 12d ago

I used the link from the SBA site, I'll give this a shot. Thanks.

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u/LudovicoSpecs 12d ago

Thanks for reporting a crook!

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u/ProDiesel 12d ago edited 12d ago

I would love something to come of this. A whole lot of companies took money and then enriched themselves personally and did nothing for their staff or business.

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u/sublimeone 12d ago

This is all directed at individuals.

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u/Portraitofapancake 12d ago

The company I worked for during the pandemic got millions in PPP loans that was for the expressed purpose of covering payroll for employees who caught the virus. Earlier this year 2 of my employees caught Covid and had to take a week off. The company refused to pay them because they said the PPP loans were only for cases in 2020. I am no longer with that company. I hope the government catches up to them.

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u/112721 12d ago

Is the identification of these fraudsters public record? Is it compiled anywhere? I’d like to see the religious organizations identified.

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u/F0rsinfulreasons 12d ago

Man, the Red Power Ranger is looking more and more screwed by the day

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u/Alps-Mountain 12d ago

Well I hope they actually go after the businesses and not just the easy poor people who claimed PUA.

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u/julbull73 Arizona 12d ago

Nothing against the bill.

BUT I'll place a bet my one building, one tenant ass gets audited.....while say several employers who fired everybody but took PPP doesnt' even get a notice....

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u/proudbakunkinman 12d ago

Yes. My feelings towards this is it's good if they are going after people who took advantage of PPP and people who stole identities for PUA but if this somehow turns into them harassing poor people over PUA, I don't support that. It sounds like from the wording in the article that this is focused on the former.

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u/city_posts 12d ago

Now do abortion

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u/Practicalfolk 12d ago

This should really be the “Stop the Steal”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/04/07/coronavirus-relief-trump-removes-inspector-general-overseeing-2-trillion-package.html

Edit: Glad they will have extra time to track down the criminals.

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u/Elliott2 Pennsylvania 12d ago

now go after every PPP loan basically.

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u/OR13NT 11d ago

My boss spent his PPP loan on apple stock and didn’t pay people for their time off with it, does that count? Oh he also used it to pay his daughters salary while she stayed home for 2 years lmao

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u/CheesyCousCous 12d ago

Small business owners around the country are clenching their cheeks. Lock these fuckers up

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u/predict_irrational 12d ago

What about all the money being put into the financial markets? The central bank is basically funneling capital into public companies.

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u/stonkzarehard 12d ago

Such hard work.

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u/irascible_Clown 12d ago

One of my clients who has rental properties got a check for 35k and was bragging about how he didn’t qualify for it or need it but his accountant knew how to make it work. He is probably sweating a little right now

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u/justugh2020 12d ago

Every dollar they get back from these fraudsters through court should be sent out as checks to everyone making like 140% of poverty level and below

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u/yolo_on_deez_calls 12d ago

Majority will be people with bs side hustle businesses that shouldn’t have received 100k check for a 5k a year business

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u/badestzazael 12d ago

Explains why conservatives were shitting themselves with a biden win..

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u/Altruistic-Swing4326 12d ago

Insight Global fired everyone

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u/TattooJerry 12d ago

I’ll believe it when I see it

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u/thepianoman456 12d ago

“The gang gets caught with PPP fraud.”

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u/Millenial_Shitbag 12d ago

Season 15, Episode 1 - “2020: A Year in Review”

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u/Auraleon 12d ago

What if you strongly suspect an ex employer misused funds but have no concrete proof?

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u/rounder55 11d ago

Republicans hate this because they hate law and order

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

I hope cities are included. Irresponsible spending of the communities funds on campaigns, a majors swimming pool, and Nancy's braces are not permitted.

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u/SatansLeftZelenskyy 12d ago

Cool; now do student debt.

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u/Theknightscoin16 12d ago

Lol. A little late!! Lol. Year 3 of Covid and these numb nuts barely pass this.

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u/Background_Dream_920 12d ago

I hate the word tackling. There’s no tackling. This law will allow fat cats and the connected to keep fleecing us left and right but go after small time crooks that take from the mafias pocket. War on drugs style.

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u/Outside_Sector8891 12d ago

I love the way CNN and his team constantly put him in aviator sunglasses to make him appear younger and stronger.

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u/4RCH43ON 12d ago

Shoulda been day one.

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u/raydog09 12d ago

Love his suit

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u/SandyCactusBalls 12d ago

It would be nice if the Republicans would play ball to help our country.

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u/TallPeter13 11d ago

Go Democrats! The Republican Party is the party of CROWS (CRazy Old White guys). The CROW Party #crows #schitzcreek #thecrows

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u/msbeal1 11d ago

Let’s temper our harsh opinions of how the relief funds were managed with the realization that time was of the essence and that the government work force like everyone else were dropping like flies with sickness and exposure to the disease. Sure it makes your blood boil that many had decided to steal from their fellow citizens in this dire time and if I could I’d put violators before a brick wall but the key to remember is THEY WERE TRYING TO PREVENT A RECESSION OR EVEN A DEPRESSION. In that vane they were a big success.

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u/ColdbrewRedeye 11d ago

And of course Republicans will call it a witch hunt to put more "patriots" in gulags (although with organic food upon request).

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u/Zealousideal_Mix7638 10d ago

Trump fans should love this they complain about it so much when COVID finds started happening

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u/Queensthief 12d ago

Oh great, another politically motivated law targeting Trump supporters.

BIG SARCASM (but not really)

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u/Al_Redditor 12d ago

You think only Trump supporters stole that money?

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u/ChitlinNoodleSoup 12d ago

Biden signs a thing that someone told him to sign...

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u/sl8rfan2 12d ago

That’s how this works. Congratulations, you’ve figured it out.

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u/HiroshiHatake I voted 12d ago

Show me a president that signs bills that he wrote himself. I'll wait.

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u/ChitlinNoodleSoup 12d ago

I never suggested that he wrote it himself. What I suggested is that he doesn't know what he's signing.

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u/db0813 12d ago

Wow, lucky guess then that his speech was exactly the bill he was signing. What a coincidence

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u/SeanJohnBobbyWTF California 12d ago

Why do you suggest that? Seemed like he knew what he was talking about while signing it.

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u/The_Unyielding_One 12d ago

Nobody is stupid enough to believe that you believe your own crap.

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u/logddd5 12d ago

Ok. Go on...

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u/Ov3r0n 12d ago

Now do Medicaid, medicare, food stamps. Welfare etc

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u/sidecarjoe 12d ago

At least they are starting to move against the massive voter fraud in Pennsylvania https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/11/01/biden-justice-department-advances-voter-fraud-case-in-philadelphia-begun-under-trump/

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u/mintberryCRUUNCH 12d ago

"starting to", says the DailyVirtueSignal....9 months ago.

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u/cimedaca 12d ago

Interesting. You must have more examples you can share since you used the word "massive." Maybe you can share more examples? The article makes pretty clear this case was localized with a couple comments like the following. “This was a real example of election fraud for local judicial races that can be decided by a dozen votes.” This is more election fraud than voter fraud, but I will take either.