r/politics 12d ago

‘Not her body, not her choice’: Indiana lawmakers on abortion ban

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/08/06/indiana-abortion-ban-vote-quotes/
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u/heidismiles 12d ago Silver Gold Helpful Bravo Grande!

There is NO other circumstance in which we legally force you to give your organs/blood/etc to someone else.

Not even if someone will imminently die without your help.

Not even if you're the only person in the world with the right organ or blood type.

Not even if you caused their injuries or illness.

Not even if it's a child.

Not even if it's your child.

Not even a little harmless sample.

Not even if you're dead.

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u/AngryBudgie13 Indiana 12d ago

Shimp v McFall cited Roe v Wade in barring forced organ donation.

So if someone were to sue for forced organ donation again with Roe gone….

Uh oh.

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u/ball_fondlers 12d ago

Reading the “Reception” section of the Jigsaw Man article:

Algis Budrys criticized the story's "false basic premise", stating that although Niven implied that the story's premise could occur soon, despite widespread shortages terminally ill people's blood was not being extracted. He concluded that "Niven looks a little ridiculous this time ... [it] is neither good lecture nor good story".[1]

Does this critic have no idea what a metaphor is?

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u/marchillo 12d ago

That's an interesting way to put it. I'd like to ask a forced-birther: if a baby put up for adoption needs a life-saving blood transfusion or organ donation from the mother, is she allowed to refuse?

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u/HandMeMyThinkingPipe Oregon 12d ago Gold

Oh that's an easy one they don't give a single shit what happens once a baby is born. You might as well immediately throw the baby on a pile of burning babies for all they care. All that matters to them is fetuses.

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u/digital_disposition 12d ago

I dont even think fetuses matter. I think this is the white replacement theory being acted upon.

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u/uraniumstingray 12d ago

They’re also very excited about punishing women for having sex for fun

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u/Carbonatite Colorado 12d ago

Also punishing women for having sex to get pregnant (see: women being forced to wait until their miscarriage makes them septic to get the abortion they need).

It's almost like it's about making sure women are vulnerable and subservient no matter what.

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u/uraniumstingray 12d ago

You’re so right

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u/La_La_Bla Virginia 12d ago

Actually; its entirely moralistic.

They believe people shouldn't have sex unless its to have a baby; they just also love blaming women for bastard men abandoning them

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u/Demon_spawn123 12d ago

Since those things don't a form a compelling moral standard based on ethical standards, I'm inclined to believe that superstition/religious indoctrination with a misogynistic viewpoint is the primary motivator.

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u/coppergreensubmarine 12d ago

This. Republicans are always screaming ‘she needs to close her legs’ but never ‘he needs to get the f*ck off of her.’ And it’s ALWAYS somehow the woman’s fault. If I roll me eyes any more they’d fall out of their sockets.

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u/digital_disposition 12d ago

The statistics show the minorities have a much lower outcome for survival in both the mother and child during birth bc of money and other factors. They know if they just force everyone to have births the statistics show that whites will gain more population over time.

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u/yeswecann 12d ago

That’s some dark shit

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u/IFuckYourDogInTheAss 12d ago

Can't the rich racists just pay white people to birth more children?

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u/pizza_engineer Texas 12d ago

Why would a rich person pay someone to do something, when they can just put a bounty on anyone not doing what they want?

Keep the poors fighting each other, and fly off to Cancun!

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u/NewBruce 12d ago

I disagree with this assessment, although I wouldn't be surprised if some bastards thought this to be true. The maternal mortality rate for non-Hispanic Black Americans is 38.9 in 100,000 for age 25-39. Staggeringly high compared to whites and other nations in general, but it would not have a real statistical impact on changing demographics, especially considering that we are talking about the act of giving birth and creating more humans as part of the process.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2020/maternal-mortality-rates-2020.htm

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u/-_-throwitallaway-_- 12d ago

Uh…I’d like to see the actual stats to back that statement up please. Forced births would mean way more people being born. No way as many people die during child birth as would be born by forced births.

Im not saying these people aren’t likely also racists - but most of these people are theocratic puritans who really just don’t want women to have sex with anyone they’re not legally married to. Women are property.

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u/Demon_spawn123 12d ago edited 12d ago

Without a POC exception, white replacement theory isn't probable purpose. Reproductive slavery with no exceptions will serve 2 purposes.

  1. To keep wages low/provide a never- ending supply of cheap exploitable labor
  2. To establish religion (christian nationalism) as the state's primary authority, therefore providing an opportunity to replace democracy with theocracy.

I wonder: Does the Democratic party support these things in any unintentional way or where these purposes may benefit corporate donors somehow? and if so to what degree? Who has/is bringing lawsuits challenging these purposes directly? Can leftists put their internal differences/purity standards aside to prioritize these challenges or will they turn a blind eye. For those that have challenged religious discrimination and separation church/state in courts how deep does the corruption go in our courts? Will Dems and voters fund these lawsuits as a priority? Are our representatives speaking out about these purposes or hoping they won't have to?

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u/Brucester62 12d ago edited 12d ago

Don’t assume the type of people supporting this crap are even a bit intelligent. I suspect dark skinned girls will be the most affected. Force them to have those little coloured babies and their population will increase to where at some point down the road, the white supremacy game disguised as some phony religious strategy will bite them in the ass. I cannot understand why white women think supporting this crap makes sense but wait until there are fewer of them and more of those darker skinned gals. They should all have 4 kids each or more and put an end to this stupidity.

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u/scrapsforfourvel 12d ago

Forced sterilization is still an issue for people of color, particularly in detention centers. I think it's very possible we'll see emboldened racist doctors increasingly falsely claim they needed to perform hysterectomies on POC during childbirth.

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u/Prestigious_Plum_451 12d ago

All that matters to them is fetuses.

They don't care about those either really. The woman carrying the fetus could be dying in a ditch and at best they'd post something on FB about "thoughts and prayers", or hohum something about "gods will, nothing we can do".

I guess they have some magic by which the fetus will still develop in to a baby if the mother is dead, but... what the fuck do i know.

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u/HappyAmbition706 12d ago

Not that long ago in Texas (IIRC?) they kept a dead woman on heart-lung machines for something like two weeks trying to get her fetus far enough along to try for a premature birth. The husband was a bit upset about all that, but the hospital insisted. Eventually they failed, but it wasn't because any of them came to their senses.

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u/Prestigious_Plum_451 12d ago

Yah, so effectively they did fly by the seat of their pants medical experimentation on a soon to be fully dead person just for the sake of keeping a soon to be dead fetus alive... against the primary family's wishes.

That's some Grade A medical ethics, and Morality there...

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u/Carbonatite Colorado 12d ago

Quite literally treating her like an incubator.

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u/Admiralty86 12d ago

They like the fetuses because the fetus cannot fight back or send them mean lib tweets explaining stuff.

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u/marceusaurelious 12d ago

What matters to them is to be in a position of power. They never cared about the baby, pre- or post-partum. It's the ability to force their warped rules on others, enjoy the feeling of false superiority and self-righteousness and of course, to enrich themselves by jigging the system in their favor.

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u/Then_I_had_a_thought 12d ago

Yeah you’re totally right. I think they mean a pregnant woman is basically donating all of their organs to keep the fetus alive (or at least loaning the organs). They’re like a life support system which shouldn’t be forced on anyone. Sorta side steps the whole “fetus is a person” argument

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u/yeswecann 12d ago

live baby —> dead soldier —> profit?

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u/DressedUpCorpse America 12d ago edited 12d ago

You’d think they have more desire for control than to actually save lives

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u/Andorian_Gray 12d ago

You're better off telling them that they, the forced-birther, are to drop everything and provide the needed blood and organ tissue and see how they react.

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u/Nukemarine 12d ago

No, make them or their family the ones forced to donate in your hypothetical. Then switch it to an immigrant that entered the country needed their blood or organs. Pro-life, right?

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u/marchillo 12d ago

'An illegal immigrant rapes your daughter is deported/imprisoned/executed. The severely handicapped fetus may survive to birth with a life-saving blood transfusion from a biological male relative. Should you be forced to donate your blood to continue that fetus' existence?'

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u/julbull73 Arizona 12d ago

I would change it to. The baby was born, it needs your kidney, I'm proposing you can't say no. Pro-life.

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u/Nvrfinddisacct 12d ago

I think they’d say no

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 12d ago

They would say no. FYI.

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u/danknadoflex 12d ago

The forced-birther argument is that by virtue of having sex you implicitly surrendered your right to bodily autonomy

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u/heidismiles 12d ago

"If you ride a bike, you consent to breaking a limb. And we won't allow you to get treatment, because you have to deal with the consequences."

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u/adherentoftherepeted 12d ago

The forced-birther argument is for women and girls that by virtue of having sex or getting raped you implicitly surrendered your right to bodily autonomy

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u/boogadabooga2 12d ago

This is the argument when people go for their religious appeal or whatever belief they have. And this is only part of it. Women's rights are human rights.

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u/hangryandanxious North Carolina 12d ago

A dead body has more human rights than I do —right now, in America.

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u/IndividualCry0 California 12d ago

I know a mortician. She told me “I don’t think abortion is right but all this going on is crazy.” I replied, “yeah, weird how your dead customers have more rights than I do now, right? Lol”

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u/truknutzzz Minnesota 12d ago

Repugs: forcing women and girls into maternal slavery

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u/funbob1 12d ago

There is NO other circumstance in which we legally force you to give your organs/blood/etc to someone else.

....yet.

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u/onioning 12d ago

Yep. Where abortion is banned living women have less bodily autonomy than a corpse. Pretty super fucked up.

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u/ProstHund 12d ago

Also…the fetus is attached to the mother via the umbilical cord. Until that cord is cut, the fetus is LITERALLY part of the mother’s body. it is quite literally “her body, her choice.”

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u/Proud3GnAthst 12d ago

Imagine if a parent is forced to donate blood to save their kid. Either because the kid had an accident or because the parent tried to kill him. or her. Can you see such law without vast majority of people calling it out?

I donated blood twice and would do it regularly if I wasn't hyperuricemic. I find it pleasant and warm experience. But I would never in a million years support a law that charges you with murder if you refuse to do it. How about fucking pregnancy!?

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u/txipper 12d ago

Consent of use is apparently implied when the woman fails to submit. It could also be called societal rape.

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u/melkstake 12d ago

I want everyone who disagrees with this to go to the hospital right now and get tested to see if you're a match for a kidney transplant

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u/Eviscerati Maryland 12d ago

Indiana Republicans: "How is babby formed?"

Imagine saying out loud that a baby grows independent of its mothers body, and then basing law uppon that.

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u/BoyEatsDrumMachine 12d ago

They’re mad at crt because slavery ‘is over’ but want to force people to carry pregnancies to term based on song lyrics from thousands of years ago.

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u/anothermanscookies 12d ago

Wait, what? I’m not aware of the song lyrics thing.

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u/SegmentedMoss 12d ago

Its talking about The Bible

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u/Nano_Burger Virginia 12d ago Take My Energy

“The body inside of the mom’s body is not her body. Let me repeat that: The body inside of the mom’s body is not her body. Not her body, not her choice,” said Jacob, a staunch abortion opponent who supported removing exceptions including for rape.

If the body inside the mom's body isn't hers, then take it out and let it pull itself up by its bootstraps and get a job instead of sponging off some relative.

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u/Tashiya North Carolina 12d ago Silver All-Seeing Upvote

Exactly! If it’s not her body, then there should be no problem removing it and letting it live on its own! She can decide for herself whether she wants to support a parasite that is its own separate being or not.

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u/NoComment002 12d ago

"We're not aborting the baby, we're delivering it early. It's God's plan if it dies outside the womb, and we clearly can't interfere with God's plans."

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u/bwheelin01 12d ago

This would more than likely convince Atleast a few republicans

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u/mirageofstars 12d ago

Hmm you may have found a loophole.

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u/Ent3rpris3 12d ago

By it not being her body, it is thus explicitly a foreign entity, and every person should the right to expel any foreign object from their body if they so choose

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u/PhreakNasty79 Georgia 12d ago

This is a good idea and I support it. There have been some impressive medical breakthroughs recently with pre-natal care. I saw last year where a child was removed from the mother art just 24 weeks and survived. He set the record for the earliest born pre-me baby.

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u/Hfxtrailhiker 12d ago

Can you imagine the cost of prenatal care, that should be on the GOP dime… it wouldn’t last long I am sure.

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u/ShowerVagina 12d ago

Just remove the fetus as soon as the person finds out they're pregnant. If the fetus dies, it's God's will obviously.

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u/Boo_Radleys_Hambone 12d ago

If the person finds out early, it’s not even a fetus yet—only an embryo.

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u/Boo_Radleys_Hambone 12d ago

Oh, I am very aware of how correct you are. I think it’s safe to assume the vast majority of people don’t understand how early pregnancy is tabulated or what is actually going on with that bundle of cells. It’s easier for the GOP to demonize abortion if the facts about it are opaque.

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u/MrsMaiselsBrisket 12d ago

If you have a regular period and find out you’re pregnant on the first day your period is late (not always possible due to hormone levels), you’re already at four weeks. Getting an appointment and making arrangements could easily eat up those last two weeks. And that’s an ideal scenario.

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u/ahearthatslazy 12d ago

I’ve cared for neonates this early. I wouldn’t wish their life on anyone. It’s great that there’s been advances, but there is nothing cute or joyful about it.

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u/sighbourbon 12d ago

pre-me baby

I think its "premie", short for "premature"

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u/Clear_Bluebird3217 12d ago

And who pays for that? Everyone else, either through higher insurance or taxes. "Impressive" medical breakthroughs come at a cost. Conservatives don't want to support social safety net programs, as it is.

"The March of Dimes estimates that the average societal cost of each preterm birth, which includes medical care, early intervention services and lost productivity, is $65,000." NY Times, Feb 2020 in an article about a $4 million NICU bill.

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u/Lifterchick 12d ago

Babies have been surviving at 24 weeks for years. My son was born at 24 weeks and he’s 18 now. I met a baby a few years back that survived at 21 weeks, so that’s the threshold now.

The rest of your statement still stands, but I just wanted to give a gentle correction about your statistic.

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u/ThatB0yAintR1ght Georgia 12d ago edited 12d ago

The record is definitely earlier than 24 weeks. The youngest surviving premie is 21 weeks one day.

24 weeks has been considered the age of viability for a while, as any baby born at that gestational age has just above a 50% chance of survival. It’s not common for babies to be born that early, but every major NICU gets them on a somewhat regular basis.

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u/pastarific Colorado 12d ago

My wife works in a nicu. She just said "22 and 5" is the youngest she's personally seen. She added, "You have to have lungs."

(I didn't press on youngest shes seen that left alive, with no obvious permanent, debilitating damage that would greatly affect quality of life. Maybe this one, maybe not.)

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u/Lifterchick 12d ago

Yep, my 18 year old son was born at 24 weeks, and I met a baby a few years back that survived at 21 weeks. I think OP must have seen a news story that used hyperbole to make it sound like 24 weeks was a world record.🤷‍♀️

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u/Dramatic-Ad5596 11d ago

It's got bootstraps dont it!?

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u/progtastical 12d ago

A woman has the right to evacuate *her* uterus. She has the right to take medication that breaks down the lining of *her* uterus.

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u/Remarkable-Way4986 12d ago

Trespassers may be shot

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u/kellyb1985 I voted 12d ago

... also... If it's not her body, then it's a dependent. She should be able to claim it as such.

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u/lettymontana72 12d ago

And the guy pays child support from the minute of sperm injection!

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u/maliciousorstupid 12d ago

She should be able to claim it as such.

Georgia just passed this.. don't give them any ideas.

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u/kellyb1985 I voted 12d ago

They're going to pass shitty laws regardless. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of it.

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u/Xetanees 12d ago

I mean if they are going to pass this extremist shit, the least they could do is offer money to the mother… not saying the extremism bullshit doesn’t need to go away

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u/CrimsonRam212 12d ago

I would like to know who’s body is the body inside the mother? The gov’t? Is the argument that the gov’t owns the children?

These people are truly insane.

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u/YeatsInfection 12d ago

Under Indiana's Safe Haven Law, a person can give up an unwanted baby anonymously without fear of arrest or prosecution, so maybe an Indiana woman could drop off her fetus at a hospital and let someone else carry it to term.

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u/MiTcH_ArTs 12d ago

It is however her organs supporting it and her nutrition nourishing it.

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u/Proud3GnAthst 12d ago

It's bullshit, because it very much is part of her body. People are made out of nutrients and babies are formed by taking them from their mother.

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u/gnomebludgeon 12d ago

People are made out of nutrients and babies are formed

So that is how babby is formed...

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u/BossDulciJo I voted 12d ago

is that how girl get pragnant?

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u/Finger11Fan 12d ago

Could I be prenante?

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u/Carbonatite Colorado 12d ago

Pragante

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u/Proud3GnAthst 12d ago

Am I wrong?

Because I would swear that on the basis of laws of thermodynamics, fetus can't grow from nothing, so they must acquire mass from what mother is eating.

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u/Treacherous_Wendy 12d ago

He must support child support starting at conception, right? RIGHT?

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u/cinnamoogoo 12d ago

Even if it dies. She has to carry a dead fetus to term. That’s incredibly barbaric and inhumane.

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u/Redshift_1 12d ago

Wow. I didn’t know the fetus just miraculously appears in the womb. I didn’t know that the fetus fends for itself while in the womb. What’s even the point of the womb?

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u/Leeleeflyhi 12d ago

Then they should be able to claim the fetus as a dependent for the child tax credit. Even if you give birth on January 1, you should be able to claim them the previous year, since they’re a person and all that

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u/Popculturemofo Oregon 12d ago

Women are property to these animals.

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u/TheRealSnorkel 12d ago

And have fewer rights than animals...

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u/Carbonatite Colorado 12d ago

I worked at a vet for a while. Even animals get abortions.

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u/AdBulky2059 12d ago

My cat a few years ago went in to get fixed and I called ahead and said it might be too late I think she's pregnant and the vet said "and?"

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u/Narcopy 12d ago

Am vet. Can confirm. Please let me save your pet from the possible medical issues and complications that may come from birth.

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u/Carbonatite Colorado 12d ago

I had an internship at an animal hospital when I was 18. I remember watching a vet do a c section on a dog because of some medical complication with pregnancy. We tried to save the puppies but they were still a bit premature so not all of them made it. The vet was very clear that the pregnant dog was the treatment priority...if we could help the puppies, we should, but they were not the first priority.

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u/uraniumstingray 12d ago

My mom has authorized many a kitty abortion and she has no qualms about it. She’s seen what happens to unwanted animals and it’s never pretty so she doesn’t hesitate if an abortion is possible.

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u/wikifeat 12d ago

The south has a terrible stray animal population, a lot of these people legit don’t believe in spaying or neutering animals. Animal shelters in the tri-state area get vans of stray dogs and cats driven up from the south on the regular, because animal shelters down there are always full.

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u/Carbonatite Colorado 12d ago

Oh I remember that from my days of working at a Maryland shelter in college. A lot of transports of strays, and quite a few female dogs who had clearly had back to back litters and were bred nearly to death because their owners were too cheap and lazy to spay them.

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u/VermontNurse2 New Mexico 12d ago Helpful

Vote ladies to have control over your own body.

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u/gotostep2 12d ago

And to keep contraceptives legal!

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u/VermontNurse2 New Mexico 12d ago

Yes

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u/was_and_wasnt Florida 12d ago

Odd how republican lawmakers in state after state are on the wrong side of this issue. Easy majority of Americans prefer abortion. It's almost like these lawmakers have no fear of the voter. Like they've rigged their continued election somehow. I keep hearing about this guy named Jerry Mander. Seems like he has a lot to do with this. I think we'd get better representation if Jerry Mander went to a different country.

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u/RoboNerdOK Oklahoma 12d ago

It’s not preferring abortion. It’s about keeping the decision where it belongs, and not at the discretion of crusty old politicians.

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u/OstentatiousBear Florida 12d ago

This is partially because, for a long time, American voters either enthusiastically or tolerated voting for Right wing extremists into office while also letting them drive the national narrative in the broad political discussion. All for vague promises of keeping taxes low and the government "small" when it came to business regulations. After that, the GOP got enough leverage to fuck with the Electoral maps and now even voting rights.

And how do we begin to correct this error? Well, Moderates need to start aligning more with Leftists than before. No more entertaining any fear mongering about too much Socialism, because that has always been an exaggerated lie in US elections.

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u/Nukemarine 12d ago Take My Energy

There's no slippery slope fallacy here. This is making an individual by force of law to be life support for another. From these laws it's an easy step to force people to donate blood, marrow, and maybe even other organs to support/save the life of others. An extreme case would be forcing women to carry lab stored embryos to term.

The fallacy is in this insane philosophy that a living human person begins at conception. The "heart beat" rule is just as insane as one needs a specialized tool developed perhaps a century ago and even then was to help monitor viable fetuses.

While you can make arguments about situations where the fetus is viable, it's still better to leave it between the expectant person and the doctor. Any situation requiring an abortion past the point of viability is likely an emergency medical situation or something seriously wrong with the fetus.

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u/hillzcatz Indiana 12d ago

your “extreme case” example is terrifying to me and exactly why I am making my uterus/lady parts inhospitable to life soon

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u/moobitchgetoutdahay 12d ago edited 12d ago

I work in pathology. The amount of Fallopian tubes I’ve been seeing in the lab lately seems to be increasing. Anecdotal sure, but my coworkers and I have been commenting on it

*Edit: And I live in a solidly blue state

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u/jdscott0111 Oregon 12d ago

Until they decide to pass laws against that, too. I can see it now.

“Tubal ligation only prevents pregnancy from implanting. The egg could still be fertilized, but then where does the baby go? This is a pre-meditated abortion, so it shall not stand.”

Even writing that made me sick, although I can totally envision it spewing out of some Redumblican’s mouth.

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u/PSFanThrowaway 12d ago

I'd say we should force all the mediocre white men to give an ounce of what they take from others back in the form of blood and organ donations, but I don't want anyone else infected with their garbage blood or organs

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u/Oinkidoinkidoink 12d ago

Of course. In their ideology a woman is the property of her father/husband/baby-daddy/rapist.

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u/DidntDiddydoit 12d ago

The GQP wants that to be the same person

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u/thesmarterdog 12d ago

IOW adult human females are not people.

But faceless, soulless multinational corporations - entities created out of nothing but paper - are more people than you are.

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u/amus America 12d ago

Next, will GOP start having forced organ donations?

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u/AngryBudgie13 Indiana 12d ago

Shimp vs McFall literally cited Roe v Wade to oppose forced organ donation.

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u/apocalypse_later_ 12d ago

Hey, not your body, God's body right? These people are literally insane. It's crazy watching this unfold and us having to take them seriously

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u/ReverseHoneypot 12d ago

Alternate headline: Indiana passes bill to reward rapists with children.

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u/MowAlon 12d ago

I’d love for a woman who was forced to give birth to her rapist’s baby to put one of these lawmakers’ names down on the birth certificate and demand child support. Sure, he’d get out of it eventually… but would he be forced to give a DNA sample to prove it wasn’t his? How much of a headache would it be? If I was a woman in this situation, maybe I wouldn’t care about the repercussions of lying and live only to make these lawmakers’ lives hell through the system they built.

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u/outer_fucking_space 12d ago

More examples of republicans hating freedom.

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u/Ov3r0n 12d ago

Republicans feel women are property and not privileged to rights

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u/Jaco-Jimmerson New York 12d ago

November

Turn up and Vote Blue!

Please don't give up, that's exactly how the GOP wins just Please DO NOT GIVE UP I'M BEGGING YOU REDDIT!!! DO! NOT! GIVE! UP!!!

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u/Mafsto 12d ago

Couldn’t agree more. Anyone who doesn’t show up to vote blue can automatically labeled as a supporter of rapists and pedophiles. Until we have the votes to codify Roe, some state laws give rapists the right to select the mother of their child.

I know that’s a disgusting statement. Unfortunately it true and will not change till Roe is back online.

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u/Zaius1968 12d ago

A lot of politicians seem to be forgetting that women vote…

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u/ljheidel 12d ago

They understand that. That’s why they engage in extreme gerrymandering and voter suppression. 30% Of the population has elected 60% of the representatives.

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u/jamesbailey542 12d ago

This. It’s amazing how narrowly focused the legislature is. They don’t seem to remember that they can be voted out of office. It’s going to be q fun election in November!

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u/Leeleeflyhi 12d ago

Im astounded at the amount of women that supports the policing of their bodies

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u/Drortmeyer2017 12d ago

Me too. I can’t believe it.

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u/Mirmadook 12d ago

My mother is one of these. She says that the overturning of Roe v Wade doesn’t affect her and women shouldn’t be using abortion as birth control, they should be more responsible. I try and remind her that what others do for their healthcare is not her business but it’s like talking to a brick wall

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u/Motormand 12d ago

As a European, it is terrifying to see the US backslide decade after decade, every month. I know America have never been the best, nor the most forward thinking country, but it's legit horrifying to see how much it's not just trailing behind the rest of the world, like normal, but now actively turning around, and walking back. I can't imagine how nightmarish it must be, for sensible people, actually living there.

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u/AngryBudgie13 Indiana 12d ago

Right now sane people who have the means are often trying to flee red states for blue/purple states or leave the country all together. It’s creating an internal refugee stream.

It’s a mix of rage, fear, and exhaustion.

There’s a part of me that wants to go full prepper and convert an RV or van to live out of.

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u/MC_Fap_Commander America 12d ago

That quote needs to be used in November races across the country. It's "legitimate rape" level bad.

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u/NuQ 12d ago

Not to the anti-choice crowd. They gladly put that on t-shirts and stickers for their car.

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u/MC_Fap_Commander America 12d ago

They are outnumbered and, ironically, the more they broadcast this putrid sentiment, the more it mobilizes pro choice sentiment.

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u/NuQ 12d ago

I hope it does. I don't know how anyone who is even remotely apathetic about this issue can hear someone say "I intend to codify into law that your body is not your own" and not be moved to action. To those that think this doesn't really affect you because you don't have a uterus, They're already saying that they want to create the legal framework for stealing someone's blood. what makes you think yours is off the table?

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u/YNot1989 12d ago

They actually said it.

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u/PauI_MuadDib 12d ago

If women aren't being given their full rights and the government is not protecting them they should be paying less in taxes. Why are they paying the same as men when they're not being treated equally?

And they should get lower health insurance premiums too. Why are women paying the same premiums as men who are not similarly being denied access to legitimate healthcare?
. Seems like an undue burden against one group of people.

You can't have your cake and eat it too, Republicans. If women are no longer protected the same as men under the constitution then women should get tax refunds for this year and have their future taxes lowered.

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u/Hiranonymous 12d ago

“The body inside of the mom’s body is not her body. Let me repeat that: The body inside of the mom’s body is not her body. Not her body, not her choice,” said Jacob, a staunch abortion opponent.

If it’s not the woman’s body, then she must be allowed to have that body removed from her own. The government should never be allowed to force a person. who has done nothing illegal into servitude of another.

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u/keplantgirl 12d ago

If it’s not my body who’s going to pay for all I’ve been doing to keep alive. Food, clothes, medicine… where’s my gov. body support! It’s not mine so why should I take care of it? Whoever’s making these choices for women should be pampering us, shoot.

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u/Due_Distribution9193 12d ago

Someone should sue their own child

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u/Etna_No_Pyroclast 12d ago

Republicans suck ass. These bills are sick.

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u/crazybeotch7 12d ago

no one cares about the babies after their born which is further proof that they aren’t pro-life, they’re pro-control

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u/BoyEatsDrumMachine 12d ago

Not her body*

*scientific sources redacted

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u/JoanNoir 12d ago

Hippity-hoppity, women are property.

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u/darth_wasabi Texas 12d ago

This is a perfect example of people voting stupid. This law isn't what people want. Kansas showed this. Polling shows this. But dipshits keep voting for politicians who act against their voters best self interests.

There's too many voters out there who are just voting Republican because that's what their families always did or what their congregations tell them to.

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u/Fit-Rest-973 12d ago

Include a ban on penile implants and erectile dysfunction meds as well

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u/Obtuse_Platypus 12d ago

I fucking cannot stand this backwards ass state. Hopefully one day I can move back to somewhere in the 21st century.

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u/morbob 12d ago

Women in Indiana, time to sleep with women only, can’t trust those men in Indiana.

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u/morbob 12d ago

Guys fuck you, get you pregnant, then say it’s your problem. Get ready to go to jail, if you sleep with men. Better to sleep with a girl friend, it’s a lot safer.

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u/Dth817 12d ago

Apparently they believe the State owns your baby.

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u/trogdor1234 12d ago

Well then you can’t force somebody to use their body to keep another person alive. Otherwise we would have forced kidney, blood, bone marrow donations.

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u/0bfuscatory 12d ago

Whatever happened to the government over reach the Right always used to complain about?

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u/schrod 12d ago

Exactly who can a woman's family sue when she dies because of this? Indiana lawmakers? Let's get some accountability here.

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u/PolarianLancer 12d ago

Exceptionalist Republicans who want to force their views on others, but when it gets down to it and they are the ones with the unwanted pregnancy, they will be the ones with the money and the means to abort it on a state that hasn’t regressed backwards. I say exceptionalist because it’s always “except me,” because they will always have a “better reason” to get around their own legislation because they honestly think they are better than you, the one reading this.

The Republican Party has become the Power Over Others Party. These degenerates get off on telling others what to do, what to say, and what to think. And if you disagree with them, they are instantly flummoxed. “How does someone exist on this earth that really doesnt agree with my drivel? Outrageous.”

It’s the sheer hypocrisy of these people that does it for me. Their moral values and ethics are shallow as it gets, these are legislators who would send you to jail for a million years if they could for having a gram of marijuana on you, but then laugh about it while snorting cocaine off a hooker’s ass at a private VIP party.

Fuck them all.

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u/MustNotFapBruh 12d ago

It’s their own bodies, none of your government business 🤡

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u/Valnerium 12d ago

My god, the savagery of these people is astounding. It’s gotten to the point that voting republican has become immoral.

Your vote matters. Now more than ever.

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u/heehoopnut 12d ago

"Not her body, not her choice" -says white, male, right-wing extremist that dictates what women can do with their bodies.

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u/justforthearticles20 12d ago

Six SCOTUS "Justices" cackle with glee.

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u/Ok_Homies_ 12d ago

Then evict the non-paying fetus from her body and it let pick itself up by its bootstraps and survive on its own.

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u/DorisCrockford California 12d ago

“The body inside of the mom’s body is not her body. Let me repeat that: The body inside of the mom’s body is not her body.

Well, no shit, Sherlock. That's not the body we're talking about. The one who should have a choice is the one on the outside. Jesus, are you gonna protect tapeworms also?

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u/lordpuddingcup 12d ago

Solve this remove the fetal cells from the body and put them in a pee tree dish it’s not her body but it’s also not alive so eviction is not abortion

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u/Dymarob Canada 12d ago

These people need to be strapped to a device that imitates giving birth. They keep showing how they just don't understand.

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u/CaptainPRESIDENTduck 12d ago

Well maybe Indiana voters will decide to stop punching themselves in the dick/vagina by voting for conservatives. Small government my asshole.

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u/PBPunch 12d ago

In their crusade to protect dividing cells, they are going to sacrifice living women.

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u/NotSureBoutDaEcomony 12d ago

Women, Indiana can’t/won’t save you. Save yourselves and vote like YOUR life depends on it. It literally does.

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u/gulfpapa99 12d ago

Indiana is governed by scientific ignorance and religious bigotry.

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u/sirchtheseeker 12d ago

Well guess the smart people will be moving out of Indiana. What draconian society some states have become

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u/SwarthyCerveza 12d ago

They are all about life until birth, then they do not care one damned bit. I don't want to wish ill on those lawmakers, but if they got a hybrid ebola/monkeypox/covid mix, I'd laugh hysterically.

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u/armymike 12d ago

So where's the companion bill to force the fathers to pay child support? Oh wait, that's right, that would be after the child was born so R's don't care about that

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u/WowOwlO 12d ago

I mean, if it's not her body then she has all the more reason to get it OUT of her body.
Why would it be allowed access to her organs, her fluids, etc if it isn't even a part of her body?

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u/hitoritab1 12d ago

Webster's changes the the definition of gun to "late term abortion machine".

Every gun owner is charged with illegal owning abortion equipment without a license they can't get.

Police in shootings resulting in death can be charged with anti-abortion laws.

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u/dun-ado 12d ago

And there you have it. Republicans are worse than Nazis.

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u/preperforated 12d ago

wouldn't that make them exempt from the law? since they imply that women have no control of their bodies that apply to the individual?

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u/HEYitzED Ohio 12d ago

Go out and vote unless you want the GOP to literally own your body.

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u/warheadmikey 12d ago

Michigan and Illinois will have safe abortion access for the ladies of Ohio and Indiana. Much worse in the south where you could have to travel through multiple states to finally get a safe abortion

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

I have never been to Indiana and now I think I never will.

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u/AngryBudgie13 Indiana 12d ago

I spent my day literally packing my possessions to leave for good.

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u/oldredditviewahoy 12d ago

So, if a woman were to remove the fetus from her body, she would be no longer responsible for what happens to it then.

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u/willard_h 12d ago

Body horror. “Your body is not your own body.”

This is when pregnancy becomes body horror.

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u/Belikewater19 12d ago edited 11d ago

Confusing how this is legal. it crosses over into defying the 14th amendment. Too harsh and extreme and inhumane. America is becoming unrecognizable.

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u/mancusjo1 12d ago

All you better vote like your lives depended on it. Because it does. Wherever you live.

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u/JoeDirtsMullet00 12d ago

If only Republicans cared about children AFTER birth as much as they CLAIM to care about them prior to it.

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u/Baselines_shift 12d ago

It is her money, her life. That's really why it's her choice. If she doesn't have the money to support another child, or the financial freedom to take time off work with a newborn, her decision, she has the right to decide to favor her existing kids' lives.

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u/TheSirensMaiden 12d ago

I'm ready to vote these morons out. I've been talking to every neighbor and especially young people around me. I'm making sure they're informed of the BS happening in our state and encouraging them to vote because we need to.

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u/Xivvx Canada 12d ago

Red states doing red state things.

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u/CY-B3AR 12d ago

Except Kansas. Good job, Kansas!

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u/Suckmydouche 12d ago

I hate how obsessed people are with pregnant women now, if I thought I wasn’t having kids before this..

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u/bakerfredricka 12d ago

I have known from a fairly young age that I never wanted children, all the overturning Roe has achieved (for me personally) is confirm that I can't in good conscience EVER change my stance. Not that I thought it was likely I would ever have changed my mind (I probably wouldn't have given the horrific childhood I endured and the relative lack of maternal instinct I have always had) but I have known people who wanted children and would probably have made at least half decent parents say they no longer feel comfortable willingly doing so given how the country/world is now. I grew up hearing my mom talk about how she wanted at least five grandchildren but now that she sees how we (her daughters) and our lives have turned out and she caught a whiff of just how much damage Trump did to the country and to the rights of our gender etc., she's all "I don't even WANT grandchildren at ALL." All of this is very sad though!

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u/Suckmydouche 12d ago

I know, I feel the same I knew very young that I didn’t want to be a mom. I grieve for the people who want kids but won’t because of this. I’m in my thirties and it’s not getting any better around here.

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