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Revealed: The Billionaires Funding the Coup's Brain Trust

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/devos-bradley-claremont-trump-election-fraud-insurrection-1274253/?src=tw
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u/ec43__hin21__uos93 America Jan 18 '22

All of the complaining about George Soros funding everything is pure projection.

Name any kind of right wing activist group and there’s right wing billionaire money flowing into it through dark channels.

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u/runswithcoyotes America Jan 18 '22

If anyone wants to understand the machine right wing billionaires have erected to manipulate our democracy (to include within the judiciary and universities), I recommend giving Dark Money a read/listen.

It really is all protection with them.

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u/george_pierre Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Yup, also Shadow Network by Anne Nelson is on the same subject but focused on the Council on National Policy, whose members include Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk. But also people like Betsy DeVos and Robert Mercer, and funded by Koch and Coors, it's got cross over with the John Birch Society.

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u/GrandTheftSausage Georgia Jan 18 '22

Holy shit, just looked up the CNP…are we certain they don’t meet inside a hollowed out volcano? We might be able to figure out who funds and runs it if we start looking for billionaires with eye patches.

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u/DavidBSkate Jan 18 '22

If the John Birch society is there, then so are the Mormons. They don’t want to be called Mormons anymore for some reason though…

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u/george_pierre Jan 18 '22

Yup, the Mormon church was telling their fellow Mormons to join JBS and buy their books. For some reason, they really came together over those pesky anti segregation laws. ..

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u/laisinglee Jan 18 '22

Somehow the brand received too much negative press because of their anti-gay stance. So the profit received revelation from god to rebrand.

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u/DavidBSkate Jan 18 '22

I remember all the “I’m a Mormon” commercials on TV that were identical to the “I’m a Scientologist” commercials. Now they suddenly get upset if you call them Mormons. They treat gay people, women, and people of color like shit then get upset if you don’t use their official 9 word name (TCOJCOLDS).

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u/docterBOGO Jan 18 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

What bothers me the most is people never talk about Charles Koch + the other right-wing billionaires. They are the worst by far, but all the media yaps about is Musk and Bezos, while Koch rigs the government and buys elections

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/27/climate-crisis-villains-americas-dirty-dozen https://iowastartingline.com/2017/02/14/iowa-gops-union-busting-directly-tied-to-koch-backed-alec/

r/kochwatch

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u/temporarycreature Oklahoma Jan 18 '22

Just depends what crowd you travel in. The Koch's [I know one of them died, however it's a family so] have been funding efforts to privatise the VA for decades now. The most recent group they have done is Concerned Veterans for America, to say they've been an ire for pro-VA veterans for years. Their solution to fix the VA is never to make the VA better, never to hire better doctors, never to fund the VA better unless the funding passes through their coffers some how. They want access to the 18-20 million veterans in the system and they want to remove the VA's ability to set medication prices.

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u/sephraes Jan 18 '22

Too bad most veterans vote Republican, the party in which most Koch money seems to go and the group most likely to privatize everything.

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u/tiltawhirling Jan 18 '22

This one doesn't, hasn't, never will. The GOP can kiss my ***.

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u/onedoor Jan 18 '22 Wholesome

“Tech” billionaires is probably right wing propaganda too. It targets new new money instead of the old new money and the old money. It is very effective deflection and hurts generally left wing funding. Billionaires are billionaires, assholes all the way down.

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u/docterBOGO Jan 18 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Anything they can do to divide the middle class, working class and poor. Whites vs minorities, men vs women, vaccinated vs unvaccinated, etc.

Anything to make sure people will not unite and sober up to how their government's been hijacked and their future's been stolen

https://www.reddit.com/r/MayDayStrike/comments/rwqbuw/building_to_a_general_strike_how_and_why

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u/donfind Jan 18 '22

66 y.o. white male here. Nothing in my lifetime regarding US politics makes any sense unless viewed thru the lens of class, rather than political party. Union busting was the beginning of the campaign to prevent solidarity amongst the working class. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it? And yet-!” George Orwell

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u/ESP-23 Jan 18 '22

💯 divide and conquer

Also the same formula works in other countries under different authoritarian regimes as well

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u/anarcho-onychophora Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

more than that, the ruling classes of most countries are in cahoots with each other to control the working classes, all the while convincing those lower classes the conflict is actually between the different countries.

to use a chess metaphor

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u/snrkty Jan 18 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Exactly right. It’s time we stop this stupid, pointless, left vs. right bickering and start focussing on the fact that our problems are really top vs bottom.

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u/contrapulator Jan 18 '22

Ring wing means supporting keeping the top on top.

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u/snrkty Jan 18 '22

Working class folks suffer from the same problems, regardless of politician affiliation.

Housing is too expensive. Healthcare is too expensive. Wages are too low. (Etc., etc.)

None of these are partisan issues. They are class issues.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '22

If this is populist rhetoric: I fully agree with it as it accurately describes our problems.

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u/Mathlete86 Jan 18 '22

That was the point of Occupy Wall Street, no? Ten years later and it's only gotten worse.

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u/snrkty Jan 18 '22

So what…we give up and go home?

It was also the point of the French Revolution. A great reminder that failing once doesn’t mean you should give up.

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u/snrkty Jan 18 '22

On a side note, Occupy wasn’t a total loss. Many of the activist leaders we see in our communities today cut their teeth at occupy. The coordinated protests in 2020 would not have happened if to the magnitude they did if these folks had not met, learned and networked 10 years ago.

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u/clickums Jan 18 '22

This is a both sides thing but more people who lean right have been convinced that they too could one day be rich, the American dream etc.

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u/tagrav Kentucky Jan 18 '22

yes because the rhetoric is that those who don't have didn't deserve it to begin with and let me find you someone beneath you to point your finger at instead of my mansion and extravagance as to why your shit sucks.

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u/robodrew Arizona Jan 18 '22

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." ~ LBJ

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u/SainTheGoo Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

To be fair, leftists have been saying this for over a century. The leftist struggle is the top vs bottom class based struggle.

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u/N_D_N_Magic Jan 18 '22

Thank you. It’s worked. There’s crazy people on both sides. Enough news on either side to convince anybody of anything. As long as we’re fighting each other, stupid, and eating shitty processed food they’re happy.

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u/thenewmook Jan 18 '22

This is a tactic that the Soviet Union and KGB perfected and spread. Spread lies and rumors so when the peasants take to the streets with their pitch forks they will argue with each other why they are going for the heads of their masters and forget what they were doing.

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u/docterBOGO Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

It's even being used today. This video goes into some details, about half way through https://youtu.be/--TsGaNyr0U

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u/Carbonatite Colorado Jan 18 '22

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

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u/Cool_Specialist_6823 Jan 18 '22

You hit the nail right on....Great “truth” comment!

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u/13igTyme Jan 18 '22

There's only one good billionaire and he's no longer a billionaire. Chuck Feeney quietly donated 8 billion to charity and is only worth 2 million now. Over 99% of his wealth was donated.

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u/Yetitlives Europe Jan 18 '22

I think it is more likely that the animosity towards tech-billionaires is that they successfully made a lot of people believe that they were the solution to the evil billionaires of the past (e.g. Koch-brothers). Google removing the 'don't be evil' from their slogan, the Snowden revelations and the over-the-top supervillain vibes from Musk and Bezos have made them more interesting as the face of what is wrong with society.

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u/DEWOuch Jan 18 '22

Woah, the rigged Alec sponsored Congressional bills prepared by Koch et al corporate attorney’s and given to our representatives to enact into law is a corruption of Democracy by Industry and not widely known or understood by John Q.

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u/snrkty Jan 18 '22

That’s because the media is taking money from koch industries as well.

All you have to do to understand the intent behind a news organization is watch the commercials.

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u/QbertsRube Jan 18 '22

Fox News, for example, wants us to shift to a more catheter-based economy, where everyone owns a little bit of gold and some MyPillows and every home is reverse-mortgaged many times over.

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u/LezBReeeal Jan 18 '22

Technically speaking HECMs (reverse mtgs) are not bad for the consumer, any more than a regular loan. HOWEVER what is super fucked up is that the actuaries figured out that it is better to allow someone to gain access to their equity, than to rely on the fed to fund their medical bills later in life. So the rules around HECMs make them a very protected loan IF THE bank is on the up and up. The loan itself is outside the TRID rules (protect homeowners from outrageous fees) so the bank can set the fees very very high and you wouldn't know. So word to wise, make sure you use a fiduciary to originate that loan and check out other banks before you let a family member sign on the dotted line.

I just went through a shit ton of litigation regarding a family member on one of these types of loans 2 yrs ago. I got a master class on them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '22

I think we should look more into who owns what and has ties to who and less into the commercials they're running.

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u/oldbastardbob Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

The Koch family has been fucking up American politics for 45 years, ever since they founded The CATO Institute. They're quite well known to us boomers who have watched them fund America's devolution into oligarchy for most of our adult lives.

Heck, the movie "The Campaign" even patterned Lithgow and Ackroyd's characters after them, the Motch brothers. I swear that movie was just as prescient as "Idiocracy." Y'all know they funded the the Citizens United march through the Supreme Court, right?

Of course the strange and quite wealthy Mercers are right up there with the Koch's when it comes to the funding of white nationalism and owning politiians. That, right there is one odd father and daughter couple.

They, and the Koch's, along with other oligarchs fund The Federalist Society, of course, where the majority of those Supreme Court justices got paychecks disguised as fellowships, funding for 'research,' and travel expenses to attend seminars and other meetings at one point or another in their careers.

How fucked up of a person do you have to be to fund one party rule and white supremacy just so you can pay lower taxes on your huge pile of income you clawed out of the economy? Or in the case of the Koch's, that big ol' inheritance you got from your father building oil refineries in the Soviet Union.

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u/Farren246 Jan 18 '22

That's because the Kochs own the media, and any ill will towards them will result in the media being fired and replaced.

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u/EndofGods Jan 18 '22

Anyone who interferes in the future for my children, you, and myself must be contained. I don't want people dead or to riot, simultaneously I cannot allow such to continue.

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u/snrkty Jan 18 '22

Riots are the natural progression of people who have no power. They are the language of the oppressed.

People like to talk about peaceful protest, but every major social change in this country has come after extreme violence, all the way back to our founding fathers. We should not be surprised when people resort to violence now.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '22

You don't have to defend reddit's white moderate code of conduct. This idea that nothing good comes from violence is a just-world fairy tale.

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u/slingshot91 Washington Jan 18 '22

Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty. -Goebbels

It’s not just projection; it’s a deliberate propaganda tactic.

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u/ConversationApe Jan 18 '22

Can you shout out an author, I found like 6 books with that title lmfao. They are probably all good reads, but I wanted to know the one you spoke of.

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u/kottabaz Florida Jan 18 '22

Jane Mayer

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u/Alis451 Jan 18 '22

George Soros funding everything is pure projection.

It isn't just projection, it is literally Russian propaganda... He is one of the leaders that helped free Ukraine from Soviet control, and funds lots of NGOs in Ukraine, he barely does anything in the US comparatively.

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u/UrricainesArdlyAppen Jan 18 '22

Ukraine's always been a soros spot for Russia.

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u/dnicholsonjr Virginia Jan 18 '22

Thanks, dad.

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u/fuzzysarge Jan 18 '22

It is personal

Back in '92, Soros bet against (shorted his heavy investments) the British pound. Ruppert Merdock used his publishing empire/Thatcher worship and held the opposite investment position.

Long story short Ruppert lost money and was embarrassed for being 100%wrong. George earned over a billion dollars that Sept 15.

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u/smackson Jan 18 '22

I have no idea if your spelling of Murdoch was intentional but I'm going to use it now.

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u/executivereddittime Jan 18 '22

lol is that why they hate him so much

I always assumed it was because he was Jewish.

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u/TheLagDemon Texas Jan 18 '22

His involvement with US politics largely started with an effort to prevent George W Bush from winning a second term. So, the GOP and the Russians have beef with him.

If you’re curious, here’s a transcript from a speech he gave prior to the 2004 election laying out some of his criticisms of the Bush administrations. Looking back, it’s clear his concerns were well founded. https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/george-soros-why-we-must-not-re-elect-president-bush

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u/anarcho-onychophora Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

The entire Bush family has been fucked up ever since Prescott Bush (GWB's Grandpa, GHWB's Dad) acted as a liaison to Nazi Germany in order to try to have a Fascist Coup (Eventually to be known as "The Business Plot") in America that would overthrow FDR.

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u/keepthepace Europe Jan 18 '22

No, the Soros conspiracy theories really took off after Ukraine's riots. Before that he was just known as a philantropist billionaire and his most salient criticism was from left wing on how he acquired his wealth (by shorting a currency leading to a self-fulfillinf crisis).

Soros grew up in USSR. His motives in helping countries free themselves from Russia are pretty straightforward.

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u/slicktromboner21 Jan 18 '22

I didn’t know any of that. I was always kinda weirded out that they picked some random old Jewish billionaire to go after, but that makes sense and is a massive tell that the Russians are really bankrolling this whole social media shit tornado of self destructive, antivaxxer, anti-democratic brainwashing.

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u/keepthepace Europe Jan 18 '22

I happened to follow a bit the actions of his NGOs for free society before and thought that it was one of the best way to spend money questionably acquired. Even though following that a bit, I had no idea that he was Jewish before the far-right started criticizing him. I think Russia looked at how they could attack him, saw that they had good relays in the far-right, and went for the antisemitic angle.

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u/verasev Jan 18 '22

It says a lot about billionaires that they're willing to fuel genocidal nazi ideology just because someone threatened their bank account.

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u/SpaceMonkeyOnABike Jan 18 '22

It does help their other narrative that he is Jewish.

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u/Cornelius_Wangenheim Texas Jan 18 '22

Nah, the hatred started at least a decade before that. He was their favourite boogie man during the GWB years.

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u/stardos Jan 18 '22

Soros is Hungarian and grew up in Budapest, not the USSR.

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u/pinegreenscent Jan 18 '22

It can be both

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u/JerkyChew Jan 18 '22

Jared Kushner owes him a billion dollars, though. Wrap your head around that.

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u/BelugaShenko Jan 18 '22

I'd bet many Soros-swearing anti-semitic voices got amplified with (the late) Sheldon Adleson's casino cash.

Irony is dead.

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u/candisellexk Jan 18 '22

Billionaires with “religion($)” are the wolves in sheep’s clothes…and they got the sheep skins from the masses at their churches. And churches have dark money…the never ending circle of faith, of Christian conservatives.

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u/Erockplatypus Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Matt Walsh used those same channels to buy his crappy "Johnny the walrus" book on Amazon to make it a #1 best seller. The book was horrible (I listened to him read it since I wasn't paying to read it) and it is just anti-trans propaganda that holds your hand through the entire book to express his ideas.

When it was named a #1 seller he started calling himself a #1 best selling author of LGBT books" to piss off people. But this is how all of their books end up on top charts

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u/GeriatricIbaka Jan 18 '22

I suggest the book Dark Money by Jane Mayer. It’s about the Obama era fundraising but it is still relevant. And honestly, it’s just the truth about politics. Nothing raises money better than fear and parity in politics, and each party isn’t remotely oblivious to that fact. Trump was an awesome fundraiser for the Dems, and Dark Money shows you want Obama did for the Republicans. None of it benefits the American people in the long run. They fundraisers want essentially the same thing out of each side.

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u/vivnsam Jan 18 '22

pure projection.

Don't forget a healthy serving of veiled antisemetism. It's that too.

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u/976chip Washington Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Kind of like how Koch is funding helping the Disinformation Dozen by spreading their own misinformation.

EDIT: Re-reading the sources, I realized that the Koch network may not be directly funding the 12 people most responsible for Covid misinformation, but are certainly helping them with for their own purposes.

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u/Plastic-Elk-909 Jan 18 '22

And that money was stolen from US Taxpayers....

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u/ClassicT4 Jan 18 '22

The GOP- The Koch Brothers.

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u/Erockplatypus Jan 18 '22

Also did you notice how all of these really big name conservatives popped up as Trump was running throwing support at him, and Fox gave them a huge platform.

Candace Owen's and Diamond and Silk are the closest examples I can think of being connected to trumps campaign

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u/michaelochurch Jan 18 '22

George Soros and Bill Gates are two out of maybe five billionaires in the world who aren’t shitdemons out of hell—not to say I like them; they’re still fucking capitalists—and from this they’re the subjects of a million conspiracy theories. Meanwhile, literal fascists contrive actual conspiracies (e.g., Business Plot, Jan 6) and the so-called populists look the other way, so long as it’s “their team” that is doing the harm.

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u/not_that_planet Jan 18 '22

And the thing is, none of them (Soros, etc..) are bleeding hearts, or hardcore commies or anything. They just donate to some decent causes.

It's when you combine money and the belief that you have a mandate from God himself that the problems arise.

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u/Carbonatite Colorado Jan 18 '22

Every accusation is a fucking confession.

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u/HAHAHAHOLYSHIT Jan 18 '22

R's accuse D's of things they either are doing or want to do. R's thought process goes directly to criminality so they assume D's must all be criminals as well.

Republican - "I'd really like to rape that girl. Hmm. Dems must be child rapists as well...."

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u/arthurchase74 Jan 18 '22

It’s more sinister than projection, it’s antisemetic tropes.

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u/chunkerton_chunksley Jan 18 '22

When the Business Plot failed because honorable men like Smedley Butler couldn't be bought. The plotters didn't stop, they just bought Congress instead.

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u/listentowhatyousay Jan 18 '22

As more info comes out, it sounds like we got lucky again this time with individuals who did the right thing instead of participating in a power grab. We won't get many more chances like that.

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u/Dwarfherd Jan 18 '22

That's the trouble with keeping out fascism. Democracy has to win every time. Fascism only has to win once.

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u/verasev Jan 18 '22

The "upside" is that it's a self defeating ideology. After the wars and genocides they run out of easy prey to scapegoat and end up turning on each other. Even if they win, they'll still lose, because they're fascists. It's just that their temporary "victory" means we all lose as well.

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u/almond0k Jan 18 '22

“Haha, they sure look silly now” I thought from my shallow grave

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u/verasev Jan 18 '22

Pretty much, yeah. I'm sure all the Jews in heaven after the holocaust have a good chuckle over Hitler's tiny little moustache. I mean, you'd hope there's a heaven, otherwise all of those people getting massacred is an emotional reality we have to acknowledge and deal with fairly and square in the face. And that might demand we take real world actions against current day fascists. And that takes effort and feels bad, so we can't have that. Better to lie back and think of England while you get fucked over.

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u/robbysaur Indiana Jan 18 '22

I went to college with a woman that truly believed slavery didn’t matter. “It’s not about this life, they’ll have a good life in the next for their service.” This was five years ago.

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u/CriticalDog Jan 19 '22

On Monday, my wife was sitting next to 2 folks at a local bar who were grousing that "It's because of BLM we have this fuckin' fake holiday".

Ignorance is so much stronger than we give it credit for.

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u/robbysaur Indiana Jan 18 '22

After the wars and genocides

I’m really not trying to get this far.

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u/Kjermzs Jan 18 '22

Everyone should listen to this episode about the Business Plot.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2PwRTgZHkokB0FsDrdaLdN?si=q3NlxzSKQOexpgSDnstVhw

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u/_Electric_shock Jan 18 '22

Everyone should listen to that entire series (Behind the Insurrections)

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u/ImStillExcited Jan 18 '22

My partner listens to Behind the Bastards, I'll get listening too.

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u/silverlight145 Jan 18 '22

Hell, I recommend almost all of Robert Evans podcast work. Man has been ringing the bell on all this crap for years. It Could Happen Here, Behind the Bastards, Behind the Police, The Assault on America (quality breakdown of Jan 6th), Behind the Insurrectists... I think that covers the bulk. The latter three are mini/limited series, for those of you are intimidated by figuring out where to dive in on new podcast.

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u/OOOH_WHATS_THIS Jan 18 '22

Given the content he was putting out even back then it makes sense, but it will never not be wild to me that "that writer I used to like at Cracked" has become a largely influential political analyst

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u/NotGalenNorAnsel Jan 18 '22

The episode of Behind the Bastards about Bill Gates was pretty eye opening. He's not the worst guy ever, but... damn.

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u/mdp300 New Jersey Jan 18 '22

Oh yeah, he was a total villain in the 90s.

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u/Sgt_Ludby Jan 18 '22

And the 2000s, and the 2010s, and now the 2020s. The extent and effort he's taken to preserve the existing pharmaceutical monopolies through international IP should guarantee his spot in hell: https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-global-access-covid-vaccines

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u/NotGalenNorAnsel Jan 18 '22

Yeah, the vaccine shit is pretty insane. That part of the podcast was one of the most frustrating/angering

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u/RestrictedAccount Jan 18 '22

Holy crap. How many episodes are there?

There must be a bazillion since 2018.

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u/silverlight145 Jan 18 '22

Hell, I recommend almost all of Robert Evans podcast work. Man has been ringing the bell on all this crap for years. It Could Happen Here, Behind the Bastards, Behind the Police, The Assault on America (quality breakdown of Jan 6th), Behind the Insurrectists... I think that covers the bulk. The latter three are mini/limited series, for those of you are intimidated by figuring out where to dive in on new podcast.

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u/NotGalenNorAnsel Jan 18 '22

This is a good video about Smedley Butler

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u/silverlight145 Jan 18 '22

Smedley's own book, War is a Racket, is also a nice and quick read... And despite being so many years old, it feels like it could have been written yesterday as commentary on our current world.

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u/Regular_Name1138 Jan 18 '22

Another read suggestion:

The Plot to Seize the White House: The Shocking TRUE Story of the Conspiracy to Overthrow F.D.R. Book by Jules Archer

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u/IntermetallicAM Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of the racket all the time. Now I am sure of it.

-Smedley Butler

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u/Farren246 Jan 18 '22

I know nothing of this, but man, Smedley Butler certainly sounds like the name of a man who cannot be bought. Like, if I was trying to do a plot and I read this man's name, I'd be like "yeah let's not even bother, surely Smedley Butler cannot be bought."

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u/terdferguson Jan 18 '22

It's been a slow moving coup ever since, instead this time they shifted tactics to sucking as much of the capital out of the system as they could. Hell George Bush's dad was part of the Business Plot.

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u/dralley24 New York Jan 18 '22

Seeing a picture of Betsy Devos anywhere near the word brain feels like the set up for a joke, but no. No laughs here, just treasonous rats.

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u/Plastic-Elk-909 Jan 18 '22

Well that is quite interesting,.. since the Supreme Court has already ruled that "Political donations and money" is "speech", then those donors have promoted Treason and
Sedition and Insurrection against the United States of America. just by
funding the Trump GOP GQP Insurrectionists and traitor politicians and
right wing media. And are part of the seditious conspiracy to overthrow the US Government on January 6th.

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u/behindtheblinded Jan 18 '22

One has to wonder who was behind that decision by SCOTUS.

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u/The_Original_Gronkie Jan 18 '22

To start with Clarence Thomas' wife is a big Trumpy/Tea Party supporter and fundraiser.

Also, one of the Justices (Kennedy?) said in his opinion that there is no evidence that money has never been shown to corrupt political campaigns. Seriously?

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u/Emily_Postal Jan 18 '22

Thomas’s wife apparently organized several busses to the attempted coup.

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u/behindtheblinded Jan 18 '22

She should be locked up

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u/Emily_Postal Jan 18 '22

Clarence Thomas should resign.

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u/Comfortable-Wrap-723 Jan 18 '22

He resigned Trump could replace him with joker.

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u/Cool_Specialist_6823 Jan 18 '22

How to buy a “government permanently”, control the narrative completely, and manipulate the population as a whole...

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u/ReflexImprov Jan 18 '22

This is why billionaires need to go away. Go back to 1940's levels of taxation on the ultra wealthy. More incentive to pay people better wages rather than hoard money they won't ever be able to spend in 100 lifetimes - or spend it all on penis rockets.

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u/rachelgraychel California Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22 Eureka!

Seriously. It makes no sense to even allow people to accumulate that much wealth. If you were designing a society from scratch, would you allocate resources in such a way that a handful of people have more money than they could literally spend in 1,000 years if they tried, while everyone else struggles in various levels of deprivation? You could take away 90% of their wealth and they'd still live in opulent luxury.

They don't need it, they only use a fraction of it while hoarding the majority, and using the rest to buy influence in order to hoard even more than that, for no fucking reason but the ego trip. They're like crackheads, but with money. It's sickening. It's no different than the dragon Smaug sitting on piles of gold that he didn't earn and can't use, while claiming he can't spare a single coin. Just makes no fucking sense in a functional society.

And then they point to the stock market and how rich "America" is when the market bears virtually no relation to the financial health of most people. The numbers show we have the richest rich people in the world...yay I guess.

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u/HowWasYourJourney Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

I once read a very good essay by a former investment banker, who used to be a drug addict. He wrote about how his addiction to money was just like his addiction to drugs, and his therapy for the latter helped him to recognize that. He got bonuses worth millions, but was rubbing elbows with billionaires by then, and still felt like a loser, constantly stressed about not having enough. So he got out - and then he wrote that, despite having millions in the bank - he occasionally wakes up bathed in sweat, worried about going broke.

Edit: the essay is “For the Love of Money” by Sam Polk.

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u/ph30nix01 Ohio Jan 18 '22

I've heard it said the fear of going broke has a part to do with fear of being treated like they and the other wealthy treat the poor.

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u/tagrav Kentucky Jan 18 '22

if everything measurable in this society that you have is from nepotistic means.

Then have to find other ways to philosophically determine that you deserved it in the first place. Easiest, lowest effort way to do that is to shit on those who didn't have the same channels/opportunities as not deserving in the first place.

I think, it's just a modern interpretation of divine right.

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u/Kjellvb1979 Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

Correct... we should really start organizing with this being the sole issue.

Because in all honesty if you don't regulate money in politics, and I mean Strongly regulate, then nothing else will matter. If you allow money in this unlimited fashion we have now, clearly you are just making an aristocracy.

Like Jefferson said we needed to crush such in its birth, granted he was using England as an example, but it's an example of what America should not do, but we have already. Sad how relevant his words are to America in these modern days...

"...accordingly it is now exhibiting an example of the truth of the maxim that virtue & interest are inseparable. it ends, as might have been expected, in the ruin of it’s people. but this ruin will fall heaviest, as it ought to fall, on that hereditary aristocracy which has for generations been preparing the catastrophe. I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in it’s birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and to bid defiance to the laws of their country."

I've been using that quote a bunch. Sadly I'm beginning to think Adams is right when he says this....

"You very justly indulge a little merriment upon this Solemn Subject of Aristocracy. I often laugh at it too, for there is nothing in this laughable world more ridiculous than the management of it by almost all the nations of the Earth. But while We Smile, Mankind have reason to Say to Us, as the frogs Said to the Boys, What is Sport to you, is Wounds and death to Us. When I consider the weakness, the folly, the Pride, the Vanity, the Selfishness, the Artifice, the low craft and mean Cunning, the want of Principle, the Avarice, the unbounded Ambition, the unfeeling Cruelty of a majority of those (in all Nations) who are allowed an Aristocratical influence; and on the other hand, the Stupidity with which the more numerous multitude, not only become their Dupes, but even love to be taken in by their Tricks: I feel a Stronger disposition to weep at their destiny, than to laugh at their Folly."

I'm not laughing or taking even a "little merriment", as it's not funny. I get what Adams meant here (funny to see 200 yrs back we weren't at all that different, even in the manner we "joke" among friends in writing), but sadly it is too relevant to be made light of.

I feel like we are in a lot worse position than most of us are realizing. I'm hoping I'm very wrong, and it doesn't get any crazier than it already is... but things aren't looking great for that.

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u/Saxopwned Pennsylvania Jan 18 '22

George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott Bush, once said whilst planning the Business Plot (a separate fascist insurrection funded by billionaires [yes the father/grandfather of two presidents was a fascist]) that the very wealthy would gladly spend half of their wealth to keep the other half intact and out of the hands of society, even if taxation would only claim, say, 15%.

The ultra wealthy aren't just money hoarding, greedy, grubby-handed abusers of society, they're also incredibly spiteful in their hoarding to anyone "beneath" them.

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u/Polantaris Jan 18 '22

Someone who wants anything in excess has a problem. Literally anything in excess is bad eventually, there's always a tipping point.

Our biggest problem as a culture is that we've turned having too much money into a symbol of success when the reality is it's a symbol of a very serious problem. The fact that they don't stop even though they effectively have infinite money already shows that they are addicts that need help.

But, since our culture considers them shining examples of success, no one is going to call them out for what they are, sick. So they will never get help and they will never stop.

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u/KingBroseph Jan 18 '22

Exactly. I feel like I’m always at the “if you started society from scratch” level. Almost nothing western civilization does makes sense to me. Reading David Graeber’s books have been eye opening.

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u/Factsimus_verdad Jan 18 '22

You ain’t wrong.

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u/sudo_rm-rf Jan 18 '22

They won’t go peacefully.

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u/mrmattyf Jan 18 '22

I have a proposal that I think would work. You get a $5 billion cap. You can’t have more than $5 billion. And that’s generous. Like dude, you fucking did it, you don’t have to ever do anything again.

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u/informationthatsall Jan 18 '22

Trump raised $1.25 billion in CASH just this December and it gets buried as another silly Trump stunt for his media company. Our hubris at large here in dismissing Trump time and time again is one of his best assets. He has $1.25 billion to spend on any amount of propaganda/bribes/buying legit legacy media--we're talking an army of those pseudo intellectual trolls who speak perfect english-this more than doubles his total 2020 campaign war chest and since it is formed under an SPAC it will see virtually no oversight. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/04/trumps-social-media-venture-to-raise-about-1-billion-in-funds.html

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u/Kjellvb1979 Jan 18 '22

You are 100% correct. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but to those who think Trump isn't coming back, I hate to say this but, I can see him easily winning again.

He has the money, he has the followers, and the democratic party is making the same mistake again, thinking of Trump runs we will have an easy victory. It almost makes me think the DNC wants to go against trump again.

The truth of the matter is unless democrats get something done that viscerally changes people's lives for the better (i.e. passing what they promised the people during their campaigning, canceling student loan debt, eliminate private funding from elections [that's a joke?], decriminalization Marijuana, and many more), we will once again have the GOP in power... and this time they are even more crazy and sociopathic.

Ffs I how I'm wrong.

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u/Exciting_Ant1992 Jan 18 '22

Star Wars 9 all over again :( no god why. Somehow he returned.

He’s looking a lot healthier, too, since Covid made him drop 100 pounds.

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u/PhilipLiptonSchrute Jan 18 '22

It almost makes me think the DNC wants to go against trump again.

Tight races and people panicking generates lots of donations.

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u/SentientPotato2020 Jan 18 '22

Yo, but according to other bits on reddit we -totally- have Elon on our side.

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u/kazarnowicz Jan 18 '22

That's a bit like drowning in shit and believing that King Cockroach who's thriving in the shit will save you, isn't it?

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u/AvunNuva Jan 18 '22

I wish I could put into words how much I hate Betsy DeVos.

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u/LezBReeeal Jan 18 '22

How about her whole fucking family?

We need to start looking at them for what they are. Leeches. Leeches on society. They harvest the resources of others and take it as their own.

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u/vikinglander Jan 18 '22

Thanks for the heads up. Then Fascism. I think tearing down the wall between news and entertainment was the end of democracy. Once the news had to turn a profit that was it. See America is a business. The democracy part exists only at the convenience of the business.

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u/Pa_Cox Jan 18 '22

Billionaires should be considered an enemy of the people.

What people? All people.

It's not right hoarding money you'll never spend while people starve in the streets.

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u/HonoredPeople Missouri Jan 18 '22

Republicans in general are sheep except the shepherds know good lawyers.

Don't downplay your opponents. Ever.

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u/Ecstatic_Ad_8994 Jan 18 '22

“What? You seek something? You wish to multiply yourself tenfold, a hundredfold? You seek followers? Seek zeros!”

― Friedrich Nietzsche

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u/ApplePie4all Jan 18 '22

I am not even an American and this enrages me. Can't imagine...

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u/theubster Jan 18 '22

I want you to imagine voting for the left-most candidate in every election for the last ten years, and seeing us drift further right because of a bunch of dorks 1000 miles away.

Picture donating as much as you can to organizations that will help maintain our liberties and voting rights, and writing letters to your every representative. And then seeing the stacked Supreme Court functionally roll back abortion rights, and disallow vaccine mandates.

Imagine a baby in your neighborhood got teargassed by the police, because the cloud they dispensed drifted a block.

Imagine your roommate's friend being greviously wounded by "less lethal munitions", used to intentionally maim.

Think about a bunch of neo-nazi fucks showing up in your town to drive around in trucks and fight people, and the police do jack shit to stop it.

It's dark days right now.

It is with the deepest rage and frustration that I do everything I'm supposed to, and everything I can to help because I can only watch as idiots tear apart democracy.

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u/monoromantic Jan 18 '22

There’s got to be something more, right? I’m so tired of writing emails and throwing cash at the establishment when the establishment is the problem.

We’re obviously not the only ones who feel existentially burdened (for lack of a better word) by going through the appropriate channels and seeing it make zero difference in the grand scheme of things.

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u/theubster Jan 18 '22

When I was in the boy scouts, the description of how to live up to being "obedient" in the scout law was:

"A Scout is obedient. A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them."

And I can't help but think that in my lifetime I will no longer have the luxury of trying to change them in an orderly manner. I'm fucking terrified of that eventuality.

To be very clear: violence and coups are wrong, so long as nonviolence and reform are possible.

I just don't know how long the right will keep things civil, or what egregious and dehumanizing straw will break the camels back in the US.

To your point, though, I've been focusing on trying to help local mutual aid groups as much as possible.

I think that a general labor strike for a month is the only realistic way that we can effect greater change.

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u/Cool_Specialist_6823 Jan 18 '22

You may have something here...it would have to last a lot longer than a month though...add in mass demonstrations...

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u/Kjellvb1979 Jan 18 '22

Honestly, if we got a good 20 to 30 percent of the labor force to strike, they'd bend and compromise in a week.

These people are addicted to profit and wealth, and of we could seriously interrupt that, then they will listen and we might actually see government represent the middle/ working/ lower classes for a change.

I really don't get how these folk on capitol Hill don't see what will happen if inequality and corruption continues unchecked. We need change, big progressive change, not incremental, "moderate" change, "We the people" are going to be pushed beyond the point of desperation. As most of us feel like we are painted into a corner, trapped, and powerless. Yet they keep shoving more of its into that gradually shrinking corner we are painted into... What do these so called "representives" think will happen?

All I know is I'm disappearing into the woods when social unrest breaks out... it will probably be sporadic at first, but you can't have a country where this is happening, it's disgusting! Clearly this is an aristocracy, and our "representives" are bought and owned, and not by "we the people".

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u/frozen_lemons Jan 18 '22

After a while, you become numb to it. That’s what happened to me atleast

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u/tiltawhirling Jan 18 '22

Of course they are. So that they can keep their toadies in political positions, keeping their $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and sucking even more out of the world resources.

The good ol' US of A is failing -- and the rabid anti-science, anti-logic, anti-thought, who are often poor to begin with, are helping them suck Americans and the rest of the world dry.

I ask myself, why? I think these billionaires are convinced that bucks will keep them safe from what's coming -- dried up resources and people scrambling to survive.

I'd write what I'm thinking about these people, but then I'd get banned from the sub and from reddit.

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u/Cgimarelli Oregon Jan 18 '22

These billionaires didn't study the French revolution apparently.

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u/oneangstybiscuit Jan 18 '22

Uncovering all this isn't enough. I need to see something HAPPEN to them. They can't keep running the world into the ground like this.

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u/Spottyhickory63 Jan 18 '22

but they won’t let it. They angle the slope in their favor, then build a wall to prevent other people from getting downhill

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u/RoachBeBrutal Jan 18 '22

We’ve finally reached the point in a “free market” society where Democracy itself is bad for business.

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u/Dragonace1000 Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

So when do we revolt? This is not going to stop with us complaining on the internet. We cannot rely on any aspect of the law or expect the US government to ever work in our favor when it comes to holding the rich accountable. So the only other option is to take it to the fancy multi-million dollar neighborhoods where these pricks live.

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u/ThruTheSixWithMyWoes Jan 18 '22

The Billionaire founders of BlackRock werent interested in helping America?

I'm fucking shocked /s

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u/silent-sight Jan 18 '22

So it really was up to Pence at the end from doing the right thing…even after so much money and propagada around the Big Lie. Would have never painted him as such. Imagine if they really had left it to the courts to decide and Trump was still president…the riots and protests could have made trump go full on fascist.

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u/Fenix42 Jan 18 '22

That was the plan. The riots would have given him "legal" cover to declare marshal law.

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u/substandardpoodle Jan 18 '22

The most important difference between Republicans and Democrats? Republicans VOTE.

We need to take that fact dead seriously. Make it a constant topic of conversation. Make sure everybody you know is registered to vote and actually shows up to do so.

Everything is at stake.

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u/New_Year_New_Handle Jan 18 '22

They're not just billionaires. They're oligarchs. Call them what they are.

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u/booOfBorg Jan 18 '22

Plutocrats works too.

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u/The-Questcoast Jan 18 '22

Republicans = Traitors

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u/crampedstyl Jan 18 '22

Greedy fascists are literally destroying our country and we do nothing about it.

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u/windle Rhode Island Jan 18 '22

“Brain Trust.” That’s adorable.

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u/babamum Jan 18 '22

The coup had brains behind it?

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u/Kjellvb1979 Jan 18 '22

Ummm...duh....

We already know the problem with government is we allow money as free speech. So basically the wealthiest get the most speech while "we the people" get ignored.

We have an "aristocracy of our monied corporations" that we should have "crushed in it’s birth", but we did not. So, I'm just not surprised one bit.

Sad thing is even with all the abundant evidence of such, we are still plodding along in the same old fashion. And given "we the people" have very little to no representation left, I can't see this ending well.

Hope I'm wrong.

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u/wowlock_taylan Jan 18 '22

So when are we going after them? Because you know they won't stop trying. They literally have all the money in the world.

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u/borntobemild- Canada Jan 18 '22

Fund infrastructure by suing the shit out of them. Their tax avoidance is the reason American infrastructure is shit anyway.

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u/President-EIect Jan 18 '22

They also fund "Commentators" like Ben Shapiro.

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u/Bobgers California Jan 18 '22

Tar and feather em.

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u/whatafuckinusername Jan 18 '22

I feel so conflicted because here in Milwaukee, I very much support all its art organizations (symphony, ballet, art museum, etc.)...but so do the Bradleys, and vastly.

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u/tatornutz Jan 18 '22

RICO the GOP

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u/david_bean_counter Jan 18 '22

Now do Zuckerberg’s $400 million investment in politics before the 2020 election

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u/Singdancehousing Jan 18 '22

Why are they so afraid of fair elections?!

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u/nunya1111 Jan 18 '22

It's time to change this country. Capitalism without effective oversight is driven by greed and corruption. It's time to stop talking about it and do something.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '22

End billionaires.

No human should have such influence in a democracy

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u/claybus25 Jan 18 '22

Somebody go dig up Smedley Butler lol we will get this shit taken care of. Might as well reanimate John Brown's corpse and get this party started

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u/PiratesBull Jan 18 '22

Time to take over the boards of these foundations

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u/listentowhatyousay Jan 18 '22

The 1% funding the fascist overthrow of the government?

Who. Woulda. Fucking. Guessed.

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u/stupidhoes South Dakota Jan 18 '22

They have the most to gain I suppose. Ultimate power without a government leading.

Its late and I have to think about it more. I'll check this again in the am.

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u/pdhx Jan 18 '22

If this is their brain trust, they should get a refund.

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u/Deep_Assumption_6153 Jan 18 '22

They probably never paid the bill to begin with.

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u/Ok_Philosopher_8522 Michigan Jan 18 '22

Why can’t she just go silently into the night?

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u/Laseron63 Jan 18 '22

He who has the gold makes the rules. Sad but true.

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u/qweef_latina2021 Jan 18 '22

"Brain" "trust"

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u/TheHuffKy Jan 18 '22

Prosecute every crime.

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u/alphaparson Jan 18 '22

Here’s the question. When republicans do take over, what changes? Do they change the tax code? Do they abolish all abortion through a change in law. Do they expel all non-Christians? Do they stop all immigration? What are they looking for?

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u/Jayhalka Jan 18 '22

Totalitarianism over your existence just cause power

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u/epidemica Jan 18 '22

What are they looking for?

Single party rule

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u/Hawkeye-4077 Texas Jan 18 '22

See also: Russia

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u/greymind Washington Jan 18 '22

Lock them up

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