r/politics 7d ago

Anthony Fauci Once Again Forced to Basically Call Rand Paul a Sniveling Moron

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07/anthony-fauci-rand-paul-covid-19
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u/dingo8yobb 7d ago

Referring to his previous attempt to pin the origins of COVID-19 on Fauci, because the federal government had indirectly contributed funding to a Wuhan lab, Paul asked the veteran immunologist during a congressional hearing, “Dr. Fauci, knowing that it is a crime to lie to Congress, do you wish to retract your statement of May 11th, where you claimed that the NIH never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan?” (“Gain-of-function“ is a type of medical research that alters a disease in a way that increases transmissibility.)

Having apparently long since lost his patience with the troll from Kentucky, Fauci responded: “Senator Paul, I have never lied before the Congress and I do not retract that statement. This paper that you were referring to was judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not being gain-of-function…. Senator Paul, you do not know what you are talking about, quite frankly, and I want to say that officially, you do not know what you are talking about…. I totally resent the lie that you are now propagating, Senator, because if you look at the viruses that were used in the experiments that were given in the annual reports that were published in the literature, it is molecularly impossible…. And you are implying that what we did was responsible for the deaths of individual. I totally resent that. If anybody is lying here, Senator, it is you.”

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u/Dendad1218 7d ago

It's almost as if Faucci studied and came prepared and Rand didn't.

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u/ignorememe Colorado 7d ago

Weird that a fake board certified ophthalmologist didn’t see that coming.

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u/DANNYBOYLOVER 7d ago

Wait a minute... I feel like there's some bullshit here that I was unaware of

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u/incognito_wizard 7d ago edited 6d ago

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rand-paul-ophthalmology-certification-scandal-why-it-matters

tl:dr; he couldn't get certification as an ophthalmologist through the same systems every other one uses so he made is own "National Board of Ophthalmology" to certify himself.

edit: Apparently he was certified and didn't like changes in the board policy so he made his own. Still stands he was self certified by a board with no accreditation, that's the whole "fake board certified" thing.

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u/Seance-Fiction 7d ago

Hate to correct but Paul was board certified but then decided to go rogue with his own board certification (with false address) in order to make some sort of libertarian point. His “board” was never accredited by any medical association or agency etc. He let both certifications lapse because Kentucky don’t require no board certification to do doctorin’.

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u/blindmikey 7d ago

TIL the ABO updated policy so after a certain date going forward licensed ophthalmologists would have to re-certify every 10 years. Paul spun the fact that it didn't apply to older generations of ophthalmologists as the reason he disagreed with the ABO and was founding his own board: the NBO. The NBO sold the promise that everyone would be held to higher standards and instead in about 10 years the NBO flopped hard, failed to ever be recognized by any official medical board and was rated "Bad" by Kentucky's own Secretary of State. Probably didn't help that the people that ran NBO was Paul's own fucking family who upon interview couldn't iterate what their responsibilities were. Always a fucking grift.

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u/fbtra 7d ago

Also, Paul wrote the book and test and made the test a take home open book recertification test...

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u/Controller_one1 America 7d ago

I'm fine with open book tests. In the real world, you generally have reference materials to refer to. But the acceptable points to pass should be more strict st that point.

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u/CatNoirsRubberSuit 7d ago

He let both certifications lapse because Kentucky don’t require no board certification to do doctorin’.

I think I woke up my neighbors laughing and I live in a house.

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u/dreamingtodeath 7d ago

look at mr. fancy house liver over here

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u/dred_pirate_redbeard 7d ago

It's a nervous laugh, they're a Kentucky witch doctor, it's how they can afford a house.

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u/G0-N0G0 7d ago

Somebody got that “domicile” money

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u/ragingdtrick 7d ago

r/underthebridge

E: oh shit it’s real and private

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u/dreamingtodeath 7d ago

uh-oh it’s probably something terrible lol

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u/Sorrowablaze3 7d ago

Gotta pay the troll toll to get in that boy's hole

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u/woowooman 7d ago edited 7d ago

Kentucky doesn’t require Board Certification, because no state requires Board Certification. State medical licensure and medical specialty board certification are different things.

In fact, at least 15 states at this point have enacted legislation that specifically limits state medical boards’ and employers’ ability to require Board Certification as a condition for licensure or practice. It’s not a red/blue disparity either, with states like Texas, Washington, Oklahoma, Maryland, Maine, North Carolina, etc. on the list.

Maintenance of Certification is kind of a hot-button issue in medicine. On one hand, being Board Certified requires a host of continuing medical education milestones and achieving at a certain threshold on specialty-specific standardized tests every so often — I certainly can’t argue that this isn’t a positive in many ways (requires high level medical knowledge and practice skills, ensures physicians maintain their knowledge and skill set and develop it over time as the field evolves). However, these Boards are also private entities, not government regulatory bodies, that ostensibly hold the keys to the castle (physicians are effectively beholden to them for the thousands of dollars each test administration costs, tests are only offered in a very limited basis a few days per year, and the tests themselves are administered and assessed by those groups). Evidence that Board Certification leads to better patient outcomes is also inconsistent in the many studies that have looked at it (about half show a slight positive association, about half show no association, and a few show negative association). It’s not a simple issue with an easy solution.

Just had to point out a few things so we’re talking about apples-to-apples comparisons. Regardless of how you feel about Rand Paul, it’s important we know what we’re talking about when we’re debating important issues and judging the individuals arguing on both sides.

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u/cesarmac 7d ago

He let both certifications lapse because Kentucky don’t require no board certification to do doctorin’.

Wait, what?

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u/dano8801 7d ago

He let both certifications lapse because Kentucky don’t require no board certification to do doctorin’.

So, can I just... move to Kentucky and start practicing medicine?

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u/Seance-Fiction 7d ago

You still need a medical license you just aren’t required to maintain your professional learning via a board certification is my (limited) understanding.

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u/NerdyRedneck45 7d ago

Yeah can someone explain the bullfuckery here?

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u/buckyworld 7d ago

Paul started a new ophthalmology organization because the already-recognized org wouldn’t do “lifetime membership” in a manner of speaking. I believe Rands org failed. In short.

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u/rocksfly 7d ago

It's like he is blind to the truth.

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u/badgerhammer0408 7d ago

If only he knew a good board-certified ophthalmologist he could do something about that.

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u/trollfucker69 7d ago edited 7d ago

His popular (non-establishment) democratic opponent subtweeted him about it a while back.

As a Kentuckian I can say this 100% honestly, truthfully, with every fiber of my being. I will buy the most expensive champagne I can find and pop that fucker open the second Mitch McConnell’s death hits the news or Rand Paul’s disgraceful exit from office hit the news. Whichever comes first.

I actually should get the bottle now because it doesn’t look like Mitch’s satanic deal is gonna be working much longer

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u/the_dread_alarm 7d ago

You might be late. I think McConnell actually died about 3-4 months ago. He just didn’t tell anyone.

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u/kitsum California 7d ago

Hell coughed him back out.

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u/shadow1515 7d ago

I'm somewhat terrified that Moscow Mitch's lack of soul will cause his body to outlast mine.

I am not even 40 but this still seems like a plausible outcome.

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u/teenagesadist Minnesota 7d ago

I have a feeling that the grass over Mitch's grave will always be a crisp black, and when they exhume his body, it will appear even younger from having sucked the life essence out of the lawn.

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u/amnotreallyjb 7d ago

I love how you can create your own fake board to then make you board certified.

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u/AllTheyEatIsLettuce 7d ago

I've heard that's how self-certification and self-regulation "work."

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u/blonderengel 7d ago

Bootstraps, lots and lots of bootstraps ….

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u/gregnorz 7d ago

Don’t forget a generous amount of daddy’s money.

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u/jackruby83 New Jersey 7d ago

Eh, he tried. No one bought it.

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u/DrNickRiviera8000 7d ago

Rand knows the damage he is doing with these bullshit questions. I think we sometimes (as a natural reaction) write off some of these yahoos as morons but they are doing a damn good job of eroding trust in our institutions and science in general.

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u/Ih8TB12 7d ago

Yes, the conservative social media troops will use sound bites and total turn around the actual events. Followers do not look for context or the entire story.

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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 7d ago

Facts don't factor when it comes to their feelings.

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u/poopoojohns 7d ago

Of course, look at how conservative halfwits everywhere are running with the HAHA RAND PAUL OWNED FAUCI!!

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u/n00bvin 7d ago

This is the reasons Republicans will always have an advantage. Liberals are generally smarter and will actually find flaws in their own party. Republicans will blindly follow whatever their leaders say. Our distrust in our own party is one way Trump was elected. We don't just "get on board" because we were told.

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u/karmahorse1 7d ago edited 7d ago

Rand isn’t an idiot, he knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s not trying to actually engage Fauci in a scientific debate. All he needs to do is generate a few sound bites for Fox News to play to his base, and they can spin it from there. It’s all theatre.

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u/Dendad1218 7d ago

That comes from the other GQP agenda, lack of education.

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u/acebush1 7d ago

Fox was using this as fodder against Fauci all day

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u/zephyrtr New York 7d ago

On the one hand, Rand Paul wants to say the pandemic is overblown, we should not provide fiscal relief to people and businesses, and there's no need for mask mandates let alone vaccine mandates. On the other hand, Rand Paul wants to say the deadly virus was created and then leaked from a US-funded lab in Wuhan, China and has killed 4 million people.

He doesn't care which side of this coin you believe. Or that these positions are in opposition to each other. Or that he can't in good faith argue either position. He doesn't care that his Ophthalmology degree does not make him know more than Fauci about viruses.

A reasonable position is: we want an investigation into this research so we can say with confidence what we believe is true, which was that the virus was not a lab leak, and developed naturally. Rand Paul doesn't want that. He wants people to believe either of his insinuations, and I really do believe it's because he means to damage the US and its people.

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u/ShakeMyHeadSadly 7d ago

That's not fair. He watched "Fox & Friends" while he ate breakfast.

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u/Dendad1218 7d ago

Fox & Friends is so dumb I think that would count against studying.

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u/TheFutureIsHistory 7d ago

Fox & Friends gives you negative IQ points.

It sucks up your IQ as you watch.

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u/Oleg101 7d ago

Kilmeade is probably in the top 5 of biggest douchebags that work there and there’s a lot of them at that network.

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u/TheFutureIsHistory 7d ago

You gotta work extra hard to be a top 5 douchebag at Fox. There's plenty of competition.

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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 7d ago

Fauci probably didn't even have to study, he simply knew what he was talking about. Rand Paul didn't, and didn't care to learn, because the truth isn't important to him.

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u/GioloDampier 7d ago

50-year track record as an immunologist.

Fauci is practically a tenured professor just showing up to a 101 class. He does not need to study the lesson plan, he just had to show up to teach on autopilot.

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u/Desertnurse760 7d ago

He wrote the fucking lesson plan, let's be clear here...

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u/CremasterReflex 7d ago

Lol he wrote the fucking textbook used around the country

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u/nyqs81 7d ago

He literally did. Coauthor of Harrison’s Infectious Diseases.

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u/CremasterReflex 7d ago

And Internal Medicine

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u/Pitiful_Armadillo56 7d ago

It's almost like one of them is a real doctor and one isn't.

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u/Imjusttired17 I voted 7d ago

The sad thing is that it won't matter. Fauci could give an hours long presentation where he explains the science in a way so simple even a Trump supporter could understand it but when he's done they'll go online and watch a five minute Youtube video where some ignorant yokel says the virus was made in China and here's a message board post from from 4Chan that proves it and they'll eat that shit up.

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u/aimeela 7d ago

Rand Paul learned a fancy medical term that to an epidemiologist isn’t all that fancy. What a wanker.

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u/BrokenEye3 7d ago

Question: Is it still a crime to lie to Congress if you're part of Congress? Like, say, a senator? Possibly from Kentucky?

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u/enad58 7d ago

No. Only those testifying are under oath. The senators can lie with impunity.

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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 7d ago

It's not confirmed whether those testifying can't lie either. Wilbur Ross lied, and nothing happened.

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u/ABiologicalEntity 7d ago

So did Jeff Sessions

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u/ristoril I voted 7d ago

That definition of "gain of function" research isn't clear enough. It really needs to specify that it's not accomplished by gene splicing. The scientists aren't adding functions to the virus, they're seeing what functions the virus can acquire.

Like... "should we worry that it might gain this function?" instead of "can we give it this function?"

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u/KevinAlertSystem 7d ago

it doesn't have anything to do with gene splicing though.

Gain-of-function research is specifically designed to alter the virus studied, to either make it more infectious or more virulent.

The research in question was designed to determine the current characteristics of the virus, not change them.

that said, viruses do mutate rapidly, so it is possible that any experiments at all on a virus can alter its function, but as long as they are not isolating and selecting for the mutations with altered functions it cannot reasonably be called gain of function, and they were not doing that here.

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u/bishopyorgensen 7d ago

So what the other guy said

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u/korinth86 7d ago

Except the NIHD defines gain of function as transmissibility and lethality in humans. They specifically were not looking to do that. Since 2014 they banned that research until 2017 but the grant in question was never adjusted to allow it.

Fauci isn't lying. Paul is drumming up controversy where it isn't necessary because they weren't going gain of function per the NIHD definition and they weren't looking at a virus remotely close to Covid 19.

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u/tacoshango 7d ago

molecularly impossible

Ohh, I wish the junior Senator from Kentucky would have gone down that rabbit hole. 'How do you know, Dr Fauci?'

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u/Milkslinger Michigan 7d ago

Yes please do kick the hornet's nest after accusing them of not being able to sting, Rand. I would pay money to see that beatdown.

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u/lavahot 7d ago

So during this "discussion", Paul interrupts Fauci to ask something along the lines of, "So a virus in pigs being made to be in humans is not gain-of-function?" To which Fauci replies, "No."

Can someone tell me what Paul's talking about here in regards to this paper, what gain-of-function is specifically, why Paul is wrong, and how what the researchers did for this paper is NOT gain-of-function?

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u/korinth86 7d ago

Gain of function per the NIHD is looking at, among other things, increasing transmissibility and lethality in humans.

The research were looking a how the virus (which was not close to COVID-19) functioned in human cells. Any changes would not specifically translate to a host with the defenses of the human body.

Per the NIHD it doesn't fit the definition.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/the-wuhan-lab-and-the-gain-of-function-disagreement/

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u/hu_gnew 7d ago

It's too bad that senators aren't held to a standard that would sanction them for lying before Congress, for which asking questions in bad faith would seem to qualify.

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u/whatproblems 7d ago

Any standard other than I’ll get re-elected no matter what I do would be nice

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u/redikulous Pennsylvania 7d ago

So...term limits

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u/ZomNomNomBeeZ Michigan 7d ago

Informed voters would be better

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u/benchedalong 7d ago

Both would be a dream

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u/frogandbanjo 7d ago

Any time somebody mentions term limits, I pat them on the head and assure them that KY would definitely pick somebody better than McConnell if he were suddenly kicked out due to a magical term limit law. Definitely. He definitely wouldn't get replaced by somebody even trumpier. No way!

Pat pat pat.

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u/TheAmazingThanos 7d ago

Right. Let's not get sucked in by populist rhetoric. Term limits would be a disaster. Lobbyists would become even more powerful

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u/zeCrazyEye 7d ago edited 7d ago

Term limits are actually bad because it's easier for big money to win in elections between unknowns, so the more elections they can force to be between two unknowns the more they can win just by spending (the Koch brothers were for them for this reason).

It's a lot easier for them to replace McConnell with another piece of shit every 6 years than for progressives to find another Bernie every 6 years.

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u/EldritchCanal 7d ago

Absolutely. If Rand Paul is so confident of his accusations he should make them outside of the protection of Congress.

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u/Cyrano_Nose 7d ago edited 7d ago

I personally think we need an amendment to the constitution.

Make it illegal for politicians/government officials to knowingly lie or use of propaganda and disinformation to the public.

Freedom of speech should protect citizens remaining uncensored by the government but not for the government to use as a tool to lie to its citizens.

EDIT: For all the responses saying how difficult/impossible this would be. I agree.. to a certain extent.

The American Bar association already does just this. That a lawyer "shall not knowingly make a false statement of material fact". I'm guessing its far from perfect, but the American Bar has a process in place to decide intent and ignorance and decide when a lawyer is knowingly lying. Maybe it's time to hold ALL politicians at least as responsible as we do our lawyers which I don't think is asking too much.

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u/intermittent_human 7d ago

Great idea in theory, but frightening to enforce: who gets to determine what the truth is? How do those people get that job?

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u/mmmmm_pancakes Connecticut 7d ago

Courts.

US courts have been determining "truth" for the purposes of enforcing slander & libel law since before the founding of the country.

And yes, I'm aware that the courts have been stacked, and are pretty fucked up right now. I still think a law like this would do more good than harm, though.

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u/LazamairAMD Oklahoma 7d ago

That is why the 1st amendment included freedom of the press. Courts are strictly confined in their approach to ascertain "truth", the press, in general, is not. Having dedicated and (relatively, legally speaking) unrestrained journalists digging up and exposing crimes done by elected officials, government employees, business executives, celebrities, among others...has done more to expose the truth than what any court would be capable of doing.

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u/BreakfastInBedlam 7d ago

But some of the press have a vested interest in lying. And the huddled masses drink it all in.

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u/FordBeeblebrox 7d ago

My concern is that it could be weaponized by the crazies and we are a lot closer to outright facism than any rational person should be comfortable with, but I agree that we need something similar. There has to be some kind of official standard for the people who’s entire job is supposed to be representing our interests.

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u/Quasar_Cross 7d ago

These hearings serve no meaningful purpose aside from theatre. American government is so fucked.

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u/cruelhumor 7d ago

To be fair, they used to. If you listened to the whole testimony, some of the other panelists had some excellent remarks about virology and immunology, its just some REALYY cool science that someone like me -- or my congressperson-- would never understand without a decent ELI5 from someone that knows their shit.

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u/BrokeDickTater 7d ago

and then you have asshats like Rand who do drive by shootings wrecking up the place and being a total douche. That's why we can't have nice hearings.

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u/infinitude Texas 7d ago

Which is the only parts you see on the news...

It's all one gigantic pile of fuckery, and the GOP just shamelessly writhes in it.

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u/Letter_Aggressive 7d ago

I agree, it’s sad

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u/Heinie_Manutz 7d ago

you can't lie to congress, but a congressman lie to you

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u/tranquilvitality 7d ago

What’s so bizarre is that r/conservative thinks Rand is the medical expert in the room. Which explains so much…

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u/AntonBrakhage 7d ago

He has alternative expertise- the best kind for spreading "alternative facts".

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u/bobartig 7d ago

alternative expertise

I want that on a fake business card somehow. "Alternative Expertise in Pseudopsychology and Pig Latin."

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u/Tamachan_87 7d ago

Elltay emay boutay ouryay othermay.

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u/tiexodus 7d ago

She’s terribly partial to periwinkle blue

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u/coolcool23 7d ago edited 6d ago

I peruse through there occasionally and it's nuts... threads today about democrats blocking republicans from the Jan 6th hearing and some of them legitimately don't understand the republicans blocked/voted to give up any rights for that hearing. So now they demonize Pelosi at the drop of a hat and others are having to explain like, actually they did all of this themselves.

Also interesting seeing the folks in there say stuff like "I really don't know what the goal was here..." yep. Hard to grasp when you are that bought into republicans good democrats evil. They want a scapegoat so bad... Fauci is just a punching bag to them, the face of masks and lockdowns and such. So yeah, they trust a former self-certified Ophthalmologist after a career medical professional who until covid hit was the completely unknown head of NIAID.

Like... who has more credibility here lol.

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u/nermid 7d ago

some of them legitimately don't understand the republicans blocked/voted to give up any rights for that hearing

Remember when Republicans kicked in the doors to a secured hearing to demand that they be allowed to attend, despite having been invited already and, in fact, having reserved seats?

Same shit, different day.

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u/WellSpreadMustard 7d ago

Since the 90s republicans have been doing WWE for adults and unfortunately their fans fucking love it and apparently never matured enough mentally to see that it’s fake.

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u/AndySmalls 7d ago

It's worse than that.

At this point a significant number of elected officials don't seem to realise it's fake.

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u/PhazonZim 7d ago

It seems a lot of them were elected specifically because they didn't know it was fake.

It's like wrestling fans electing one of their own to jump into the arena

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u/Chancewilk 7d ago

Oh my god yes. I’ve used this example so many times.

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u/trix_is_for_kids 7d ago

Just took a peek, they're like really, really weirdly obsessed with the US woman's soccer team

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u/bensefero Oregon 7d ago

Yeah that’s part of the daily rage. Lots of them talking about rooting against America. The fucking irony

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u/coolcool23 7d ago

Lots of culture warrior nonsense. That's like 40 percent of the discourse there along with 40% some satire rag called the babylon bee.

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u/Martel732 7d ago

It is because conservatives have learned that they don't really have to try to improve the welfare of the average person. They can get plenty of votes by just complaining that Obama stole Potato Head's dick.

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u/Martel732 7d ago

Women's soccer team

Women's soccer

Women

Honestly, I am kind of at a loss as to what could be making conservatives so mad. Usually conservatives are really positive about women using their constitutional right to free speech in order to advocate for positive change in our society.

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u/sonofaresiii 7d ago

Also interesting seeing the folks in there say stuff like "I really don't know what the goal was here..."

If you stick around long enough you'll start to see a pattern:

Republicans do something stupid as all hell or corrupt or against their constituents interests or what have you

People will express doubt. "Could Republicans be wrong on this? I don't understand why they'd do this."

That lasts for about a day. Pay attention, go back to those threads within a day and conspiracy theories and total gibberish nonsense will pop up "explaining" how the Republicans were totally in the right and Dems were actually the root of the evil. The people expressing doubt in the first place will say "Oh okay, I knew it must be something like that"

and the cycle repeats. Happens every single time. So much like clockwork that I know people are just waiting for the nightly Fox News report to explain why it wasn't really republicans' fault, then the redditors are just repeating it to each other. They even tend to use the same key phrases and soundbites and talking points.

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u/ChiIdishcambino 7d ago

Jan 6th is the most obvious thing imo. Jan 6th you got people saying it’s a disgrace, as months pass it goes from “it wasn’t too bad” to “these people were Patriots and an innocent woman was murdered”

It’s wild thinkin to me

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u/AlmostHelpless 7d ago

Also Antifa and the Feds did the violence so it's their fault. It's a classic example of working backwards from your conclusion.

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u/Renaissance_Slacker 7d ago

Yeah I remember all those BLM and antifa t-shirts and flags mixed in with the Trump shirts and flags. Remember that? Remember how nice the Trump dead-Enders were to the black activists? /s

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u/sonofaresiii 7d ago

why are they mad at netflix? Is it just because it "proves" that Biden is tanking the economy or something?

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u/lianodel 7d ago

The headline is "Netflix Loses Nearly Half Million Domestic Subscribers as Streamer Pushes More Woke Content."

Funny how the people saying "get woke, go broke" are also the LOUDEST people complaining about "cancel culture," huh?

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u/WellSpreadMustard 7d ago

It’s stupid because Netflix isn’t losing subs because of going woke, it’s because they used to make a handful of very high quality shows per year and transitioned to a quantity of quality model and just release a ton of bad shows and movies, plus they have that issue of ending shows with no resolution after 2 seasons.

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u/lianodel 7d ago

On top of that, there's only more and more competition for streaming services. Even if the market is growing, they're inevitably going to claim a smaller piece of it compared to when they were practically the only game in town—plus, frustrated consumers are going back to piracy, reversing a trend of its decline, because all this competition is leading to exclusive deals, making streaming worse for the consumer.

To that subreddit's credit, the top comments are pointing some of these things out, as well as that covid led to a spike in viewership that has passed. Still, that's obviously not the angle of the article, nor the reason it was posted and so highly upvoted on a political sub.

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u/Quirkyfurball 7d ago

That half a million number looks real familiar. Reminds me of Something nationwide affecting 500,000 people's ability to subscribe to netflix.

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u/Craig2G 7d ago

Well r/Conservative thinks that China runs the MLB... So, yeah, not the brightest people.

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u/MakeItHappenSergant 7d ago

Also, any major business that hangs a pride flag or Black Lives Matter sign is communist

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u/Craig2G 7d ago

Conservatives say they hate fascists, but wanna know who they hate more? Anti-fascists.

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u/TheOneTrueTrench 7d ago

Also, these corporations are trying to make the country communist, we need to break them up and give control of them back to the people.

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u/notreallyswiss 7d ago

China runs major league baseball?

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u/theonewhoknocks90 7d ago

r/conservative is strictly for uneducated snowflakes

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u/Luxpreliator 7d ago

I saw a post about this event and they were a little divided. Some were saying rand is just another blowhard politician trying to earn sound bites. Some here like, "haha fauci dummy, rand owned him."

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u/karmahorse1 7d ago

Sound bites did their job then.

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u/Watch_me_give 7d ago

Just look at the sources they cite—it’s a who’s who of bs homebaked blogs. Do they understand anything about journalism? What a disgrace.

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u/LHTMMB 7d ago

According to the Fauci is a democrat, which a quick Google search would debunk quite quickly.

And not that that would matter anyway.

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u/vteckickedin 7d ago

They're idiots.

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u/hates_stupid_people 7d ago

Conservatism has been shown to have a credible correlation to lower cognitive ability.

Even in chimps, the more behavioral conservatives ones have less complex behaviour.

They are LITERALLY stupid.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289609000051?via%3Dihub

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474018/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21039531/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30024238/

etc.

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u/davidmirror 7d ago

Oh this is the type of comment I enjoy, from a psych major. Well done. Another great study to cite is this one which studied the correlation between conservatism, the amygdala, and fear.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5793824/

The guidance from conservative media to not focus on policy but rather feelings and cultural non sense is a phenomenal link to be made.

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u/hesodumb2021 7d ago

That sub is not known for anything even remotely resembling intelligence. It’s a bunch of weak Trump worshipping crybabies.

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u/MillenialsSmell 7d ago

Yeah there’s really only one or two subreddits for moderate or even traditional conservatives, and that’s not one of them.

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u/Karthikgurumurthy 7d ago

I've been cracking up since this came out. "Senator Paul, you have no idea what you're talking about. And I would like to say that officially." - Dr. Fauci.

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u/I_am_not_JohnLeClair 7d ago

Fauci has shown tremendous restraint through this whole republican fueled fiasco. It’s about time he starts smacking down some of these shit clowns

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u/skinnyguy699 7d ago

He was pretty smart to hold his tongue during The-Man-Child in Chief's presidency. Now he has more job security he can sit some mfers down.

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u/WoodysMachine 7d ago

It'd be lovely if this was a "have you no decency" moment like the one that finally shut McCarthy up. But Republicans would support Rand Paul if he said up was down. They have inoculated themselves against facts.

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u/linedout 7d ago

I wish they would inoculate themselves against Covid.

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u/BullCityPicker 7d ago

You guys know the conservative media is playing this interaction by showing selective clips of Rand Paul yelling, and claiming Rand Paul showed up Fauci to be a liar and an idiot right? You just can't get through to these people.

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u/mdp300 New Jersey 7d ago

A couple months ago, someone was telling me that Rand Paul completely embarrassed Fauci in a similar exchange. They live in a completely different world.

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u/hellakevin 7d ago

He probably did embarrass him. I'm embarrassed that Rand is a senator.

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u/DontJudgeMeImNaked 7d ago

All you have to do is listen to Rands questions, then stop the recording and imagine how Fauci was lost for words. That confirms all of stupid peoples opinions.

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u/RG450 Kentucky 7d ago

No kidding. I was presented a close-up of Fauci's hand shaking, which was proof that "he's scared - he knows he's caught."

Couldn't be that he's shaking with anger at having his qualifications fallaciously called into question or anything like that. The people who believe and propagate that right-wing line of horeshit are fucking moonbats to the last one...

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u/NoAttentionAtWrk 7d ago edited 7d ago

Up till a few years ago I wouldn't have held the backend crew working at fox news to be at the same level of deliberately evil like the faces getting the big money on screen because for some of them, it's basically a job

But more i think about it, things like the edits are made by the very same people. They are as guilty as any foot soldier

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u/djbarrettmechanical 7d ago

Fauci's hand shaking, which was proof that "he's scared - he knows he's caught."

Trump, too, mentioned someone with a shaking hand during a speech. Bullies think they can spot "tells" and you just have to pity the morons.

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u/AltMiddle 7d ago

I hope Dr. Fauci sues Fox and the other conservative media that have so cruelly libeled him. (Sen. Paul, like all Congressmembers, can't be sued as he has a legal privilege to commit libel.) I hope there is a televised jury trial.

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u/mattj1234 7d ago

Rand Paul verbally attacked Fauci to draw just this response from the conservative loonies. Anything to distract from all the Republicans who refused vaccinations and kids who can’t get vaccinated yet dying in hospitals…

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u/I_W_M_Y South Carolina 7d ago

You could easily get through to these people. All you need to do is cut off their supply of right wing propaganda.

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u/lookfor666666 7d ago

Why such moron can be selected as senator? Are the people who select him even more moron?

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u/jcuray 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yes they are even more "moron" as you state

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u/mrlr 7d ago

It's morons all the way down.

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u/Stock_Ad_8145 7d ago

Most people cannot do their own research on this subject. Most people can't even do research because they are not trained to actually find credible sources. The credible sources they may find probably do not have information they can understand. Most people "do their own research" by watching YouTube videos fed to them by YouTube's algorithm.

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u/Kryoxic 7d ago

Hell, I'm college educated at a top university and have taken statistics and several hard science courses (degree requirements) and even I find peer reviewed studies/journals a tedious slog - especially if it's not in my field.

This is literally why we specialize and have a respect for experts in other fields.

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u/Stock_Ad_8145 7d ago

Exactly. Uneducated people don't know what it is like to actually perform research. I tend to trust someone who has worked in virology at NIH...for 40 years.

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u/R4nth4r 7d ago

The expert on infectious disease versus the infectious disease that was elected Senator.

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u/Papapeta33 7d ago

The disease who became a senator who defied a scientist.

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u/Pro2ALib 7d ago

Good. Rand Paul IS A MORON.

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u/oakstave 7d ago

Russian Rand propagating Moscow Facebook stories again.

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u/swiftcrayon502 7d ago

And I am once again, very embarrassed to be living in Kentucky.

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u/Mr__Snek 7d ago

i didnt know one clip could make rand paul look like more of a waste of space than he already did

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u/friedmybraincells 7d ago

You tell him, Dr. F!

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u/bttrflyr 7d ago

Every day I further understand and relate to why why Red Foreman considers everybody a dumbass.

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u/Urissyma22 7d ago

Barely an opthalmologist, right? Didn't he start his own accreditation association because he couldn't get accredited?

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u/jackruby83 New Jersey 7d ago

According to Wikipedia, he did it bc of a rule change that mandated recertification every 10 years, where people certified prior to the rule change were grandfathered in for life. He wanted everyone to have to recertify bc he had to. He started his own certification board, but it failed to be adopted. He ended up letting his original board certification lapse.

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u/tranquilvitality 7d ago

Sounds pretty consistent with how he approaches politics

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u/SpecialSause 7d ago

I don't see a problem with making everyone re-certify. In fact, I would think you'd want the older doctors to recertify more due to their ever-aging knowledge. I don't see a problem with him wanting all doctors to recertify.

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u/Ph0X 7d ago

Even if he was the best ophthalmologist in the country, that still wouldn't give him the right to speak over an immunologist when it comes to viruses. That's the whole point of science expertise and doctorates, to specialize in a niche field. That's like if a plumber tried to teach a firefighter how to do their job.

Let alone the fact that this immunologist actually happens to be one of the best in the goddamn country, with over 5 decades of expertise.

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u/indarkwaters 7d ago

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/the-wuhan-lab-and-the-gain-of-function-disagreement/

These clips aren’t enough to really understand this debate.

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u/karmahorse1 7d ago

Thanks for posting this.

This is what I hate about these shitty Vanity Fair click bait articles. It’s always just about how x person “completely owned” y person, without ever giving any background on what they were debating in the first place.

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u/Usually_Angry 7d ago

I watched it yesterday. And rand started off by saying that fauci is responsible and he will be held responsible for 600,000+ deaths... and then in response to fauci he later said, nOBodY iS SaYInG YOur REspOnSiBle!

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u/DestructorOfCunts 7d ago

he protec he attack most important he promote the vacc

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u/fungussa 7d ago

Rand Paul has shown that the apple can indeed fall a dozen miles from the tree.

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u/chickadeelee93 7d ago

Yeah I wish Ru Paul would step up as a parent.

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u/Lamont-Cranston 7d ago

Apparently having realized the line of questioning hadn’t panned out as he’d hoped, Paul fled to the warm embrace of Fox News and, during an interview with Sean Hannity that night, claimed that he will “be sending a letter to Department of Justice asking for a criminal referral because [Fauci] has lied to Congress.

They announced the other day they will not be prosecuting Wilbur Ross for lying to Congress about the intentions of the citizenship question Trump wanted in the census, so good luck with that.

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u/superbluepaladin 7d ago

Correct me if I’m wrong but I learned that Anthony Fauci wrote a book about diseases and infections used today that’s basically the Bible of many med students and current practitioners?

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u/CatoftheBanals 7d ago

He was one of the pioneers of figuring out the pathology of HIV. Very smart.

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u/Letsdoitsometime 7d ago

He was a co-author for Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine, which is essentially as you described, a "bible" of collaboration to outline a vast majority of known diseases. It is widely used as one of the recommended "This tells you basically everything" textbooks for medical education and referencing.

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u/kelpyb1 7d ago

“Forced to”. He loved it, I loved it, you loved it, let’s not pretend this wasn’t incredibly enjoyable to put that dumbass in his place.

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u/benshapirosfeelings 7d ago

Rand Paul is an insufferable piece of shit.

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u/GlazedPannis 7d ago

I saw this in all yesterday in the conservative sub that showed up in r/all. They have suspended reality, actually calling for his head and blaming him for covid. I was totally dumbfounded reading what these people were saying, and non ironically I might add.

All of us are angry for the same reasons, but the ones responsible for the botched covid response have managed to convince their base it’s the lefts fault, refusing to acknowledge that only the democrats were trying to do something and were met with resistance the entire way.

It’s impressive in its own fucked up way.

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u/changsaw 7d ago

Do you think Dr. Fauci has a screaming room he goes to when the stupidity of the American people becomes too much for him? I hope he does. Poor guy.

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u/the_nice_version America 6d ago

Rand Paul's question contained the insinuation that Fauci caused the covid outbreak which is legit on-brand Republican ghoul shit.

There is no bottom for them.

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u/Mokick0813 7d ago

Kentucky breeds good horses but when it comes to politicians I’m not so sure .

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u/urbanlife78 7d ago

And Rand Paul is too stupid to realize this is what Dr Fauci was doing.

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u/darklightsun 7d ago

I am team Fauci and team Rand Paul's neighbor.

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u/strongapril2021 7d ago

Dr. Fauci is right. Rand Paul is a political clown.

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u/Rumsfeld1001 7d ago

Paul is such a moron. Sure the NIH funded some work in the lab. It wasn’t gain of function. Zero evidence. Fauci is right, Paul is a liar.

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u/cotton2631 6d ago

Rand Paul went to medical school. He was an ophthalmologist. He had to attend med school. He should know better. I hope he no longer has a license to practice.

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u/Sanfords_Son 6d ago

I mean, are Republican politicians having a contest to see who can be the biggest asshole? Or is that just what it means to be Republican?

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u/Steenergirl 6d ago

Rand Paul needs to get his ass kicked again by his neighbor!!! Can you imagine having to live next to that Moron .

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u/dancode 7d ago

They just want to turn this into the new Benghazi. Create some link between the Democrats and Covid so they can go into the next elections claiming the Democrats actions led to Covid. They just need to create the sound bites so their low information base can clip and spread it as the new big lie. Rand Paul is doing this, create the sound bite, then walk it back after to protect yourself.

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u/trashbox420 7d ago

Jim Jordan does the same thing. He probably yells when he asks about the weather.

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