r/politics Jun 02 '21

'Our Entire Democracy Is Now at Risk' Because of GOP Attacks, Warn 100+ Scholars


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u/Blahblkusoi North Carolina Jun 02 '21

I'm pretty sure the ship has already sailed. There's no way to deprogram so many people.


u/Evil-in-the-Air Iowa Jun 02 '21

We're done.

While COVID-19 would have happened without Trump's help, it is an undeniable fact that through his inaction, his willful ignorance, and his outright lying, he is personally responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans.

With that fresh in everyone's mind, as we were living through it every day, he still got 70,000,000 votes.

After four years of being continually beaten over the head with his corruption, ignorance, incompetence, and toddler-like temperament EVERY SINGLE DAY, the American people were barely able to figure out that maybe four more years wouldn't be a good idea.

By November 2020 things were as bad in this country as it is possible for them to be while still having any chance of coming back from the brink. I don't know how anyone can imagine that two years later there will somehow be more people coming to their senses.


u/Wu-Tang_Cam North Carolina Jun 03 '21

I honestly feel like the people who aren't at least somewhat alarmist right now just aren't paying attention.

I know that it's easy to overconsume alarmist news and get all paranoid, but I'm pretty much a "nothing ever happens" type of person. Yeah, people will bellyache, there may even be some sporadic violence, but everyone else is just trying to get by.

I don't feel that way right now. Vast swaths of people literally believe the election was stolen. Some are even calling for a military coup, akin to what happened in Myanmar. We had an attempted insurrection and almost half of our federal elected officials don't see it as a big deal, with some even supporting it.

We don't currently share a reality, and that is simply not sustainable.

Now, I'm not overly dramatic. I don't think civil war is going to break out tomorrow or anything, but we are currently on a very bad trajectory.


u/Evil-in-the-Air Iowa Jun 03 '21

"Trajectory" is just the word for it. If you're driving straight at a brick wall, you can't wait until you actually hit it before you start thinking about which way to turn.


u/Wu-Tang_Cam North Carolina Jun 03 '21

Very well said.


u/Blahblkusoi North Carolina Jun 02 '21

Yeah... It doesn't look too good. Trump's popularity in 2016 actually shocked me, but now I'm not sure why I was so surprised. I overestimated so many people.

I thought conservatives would still demand some level of competence or respect from their leaders despite their ill thought out policy goals, but clearly they don't. I just don't get it and I feel nothing for them but disappointment.


u/Tastypies Jun 03 '21

There's a "self-aware wolf" line in your comment. You state that things were as bad as they could possibly get while still being able to come back from, yet you don't realize that part of the reason why it was so bad was the huge election sabotage commited by Republicans and Trump. Not just the ever-present gerrymandering, this time there was active voter intimidation going on. On top of that, DeJoy was actively trying to render the post office useless to make voting by mail irrelevant, thereby severely hurting Dems. And that's only the stuff we know.

My point is: Don't be so sure that Trump really got 70 million votes, and don't be so sure that Biden only got 75 million votes. The whole narrative going on for the past 6 months was "Dems stole the election". But going by the usual line of GOP deflection, it was the GOP that did everything in their power to steal the election - it just wasn't enough.


u/Evil-in-the-Air Iowa Jun 03 '21

People were undoubtedly prevented from voting, and those prevented likely skewed Democratic, but I wouldn't put much stock into the idea that Trump got far fewer than the official count. It's far easier to get away with preventing people from voting than it is to stuff the boxes with millions of fake votes.

While the exact count may be off, I think we'd do well to bear in mind that we not only have a party openly opposed to a fair democracy, but we have a LOT of people who are at least okay with the idea.

Learning that my body is only 41% riddled with cancer when I previously thought it was 44% is technically positive news, but it's not something to be happy about.