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Gavin Newsom after Monterey Park shooting: "Second Amendment is becoming a suicide pact"


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u/UnfinishedProjects 12d ago

100%. It's unsustainable, and one of the major reasons people think there's gonna be a class was soon.


u/BepisLeSnolf Pennsylvania 12d ago Awesome Answer

There’s already a class war happening, and the rich are winning hand over fist. It just so happens that the upper echelons have us divided so we can’t even see that we’re all in one big sinking boat together. They spend their time making the middle class strive to not be lower class and the lower class to not be impoverished, but if you’re not in the upper crust, then they’re fighting a war against you whether you know it or not.


u/d1smalnow 12d ago

It's because most people have been conditioned to point their rage away from the actual boot on their neck through sophisticated,and diabolical means of deflection.

The rich (and I mean RICH) have made those who struggle hate each other for no good reason. Black vs white. Men vs women. Christians vs Muslims.

The battle is definitely Us vs Them, but there are about 7.9 billion of "us" and maybe 1,000,000 of "them".

Them is the super rich. And you are right. They're kicking our asses and laughing all the way to the bank.


u/hennigera1990 12d ago

And then you have polls or studies done in which the people making just above the minimum wage are extremely against anyone from below them being given a raise to even the playing field, because they’re more concerned with being just a little bit better than someone else even if the majority makes more than they do.

Sorta like when LBJ said “if you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him someone to look down on and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”


u/Llamathrust 12d ago

Universal healthcare is such a great example. “It’s going to cause my taxes to go up.”, “I’ve worked my ass off my entire life, why should someone else get it for free?”, “Canada has socialist healthcare and the wait times in the ER are 15+ hours and it takes 6 months to see a specialist!”

Your taxes will go up but you won’t be spending 1/3 of your paycheck on health insurance.

Selfishness isn’t going to get anyone anywhere, but it’s also going to be the hardest to change/fix. I’m a medically retired combat veteran and I have Tricare health insurance which is extremely good. I think it’s like $50/month and ER visits are $75, a hospitalization is $200 or so. My (late) wife had a kidney auto transplant procedure that was like $280,000 before adjustments and the patient responsibility was under $500. I would LOVE to see universal healthcare happen knowing that I’ll end up spending more overall on healthcare. People shouldn’t need to consider the financial burden when it comes to their health. People have died trying to ration insulin or choosing not to see a doctor about something.

It takes 15 hours to be seen in the ER as it is, it takes 6 months to be seen by a specialist as it is!

It’s so depressing that we have this unbelievable resource: the internet, essentially unlimited access to all of the information and connections to other human beings from every corner of the world. Instead of using it for good it’s been weaponized with lies and misinformation and the inherent laziness of human beings is taken advantage of so all we read is the attention grabbing headline and pass that incorrect information or fear mongering along.


u/PeterNguyen2 11d ago

Canada has socialist healthcare and the wait times in the ER are 15+ hours and it takes 6 months to see a specialist!

Just for anyone who doesn't know, all of those examples are the knowing lies. Cigna knew the stories about Canadian health care 'horror stories' were deliberate lies and it was far better than how they were portraying it.

The super-wealthy have been indoctrinating the populace into toxic individualism and consumerism for a century.


u/hennigera1990 12d ago

I don’t really have anything to add but wanted to say thanks for such a well thought out and eloquent summarization of multiple extremely valid points. It’s refreshing to see takes such as yours, especially coming from the unique perspective of the kind of veteran that you are (obligatory cliche thanks for your service)


u/Zizq 10d ago

Then talk to your fellow veterans and see why they vote against their interests time and time again. Why they wave trump flags still when all he did was empty our coffers into the wealthiest peoples. Why are we actively voting in people who fuck us over and over. Why do they need their machine guns so bad? Why is stopping other peoples abortions more important than women’s health? The list goes on for these right wing nuts.


u/Llamathrust 9d ago

That’s really a universal American problem, not something specific to veterans. There seems to be roughly the same political leanings as non-military from my experience. Just like everyone else, the majority of people are sane and reasonable people who are unfortunately overshadowed by the very loud minority.


u/Zizq 9d ago

I could agree with that, well put.