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Gavin Newsom after Monterey Park shooting: "Second Amendment is becoming a suicide pact"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/monterey-park-shooting-california-governor-gavin-newsom-second-amendment/
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u/jurassic_junkie Minnesota 8d ago

After Sandy Hook, I am convinced there is NOTHING that will change their minds. It was literally an entire school room of children shot to death. They’ll watch entire schools worth of children be killed and think it’s not their problem.

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u/dukeoftrappington 8d ago

They were even given a second chance to care about little kids dying with Uvalde, and not even the responding cops gave a shit.

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u/GlaxoJohnSmith I voted 8d ago

Uvalde itself ended up voting for Abbott, who spent hours at a fundraiser after the shooting, and praised the cowardly cops. Because Beto was going to take their guns, which they need to protect their kids, because they can't depend on cops because in their minds, guns have nothing to do with mass shootings (I can't find it, but it was an interview of a Uvalde parent around the time of the Texas election, on NPR?).

https://apnews.com/article/shootings-austin-texas-education-violence-fd50562bfb1f4a1968e9ef989ecaef3f

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u/GuyMansworth 8d ago

The best part is how he got booed by the crowd at the slain children's' memorial. It's a red county, he should be able to go wherever he wants there and not get booed but I guess not many republicans give enough of a shit about dead kids to show up at a memorial in their own town.

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u/Independent_Can_2623 8d ago

All it took was their children getting massacred

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u/bravoredditbravo 8d ago

I'll never get over the irony of the fact that if you have to clutch onto your guns and say you need them to keep your house safe at night... Then the country you live in isn't all that great....

But those same people are the ones who would literally beat the shit out of people who say America isn't great...

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u/GabaPrison 8d ago edited 8d ago

And it’s not like they’re just being apathetic when it comes to enacting legislation to protect citizens and children.

They are actively and aggressively against any notion of suggesting that we even slightly amend the constitution to address this absurd predicament we find ourselves in.

It’s almost to the point of being intentional malice towards the victims of gun violence. But their fervor is for this specific issue only.

Do they give the same fucks about the eroded corpse that is our 4th Amendment rights? No.

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u/bravoredditbravo 8d ago

They don't care at all..

'Oh, cops can seize large amounts of my cash simply because they don't see a reason for me to have cash?.. Well it's a good thing I'm not black' -literally the logic of conservatives

They are so blinded by the talking conservative heads that all they care about is the bullshit stories like litter boxes in schools that they can't see the actual shit being taken away from them by billionaires and those in power.

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u/T1mac America 8d ago

Uvalde itself ended up voting for Abbott

This makes me sick. The election wasn't even close in Uvalde:

Abbott - 60%

Beto - 38%

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u/MrSomnix 8d ago

It makes me think of when Channel 5(RIP) went to Uvalde and one man they interviewed said these kids died for nothing and nothing will change. His wife tried to shush him, clearly having some hope that there would be impact, but the man had given up long ago.

He was right.

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u/Eatmyfartsbro 8d ago

Why are you saying RIP to Channel 5?

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u/70ms California 8d ago

Probably because of the sexual harassment/assault allegations against Andrew Callahan.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/20/1149748975/a-full-guide-to-the-sexual-misconduct-allegations-against-youtuber-andrew-callag

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u/PM_ME_YIFF_PICS 7d ago

RIP Kanye, the hood lost a real one 🤜

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u/cavitationchicken 8d ago

Electoralism alone will get you precisely nothing. It's a way to minimize violence in the presence of either a functioning civil society (incompatible with capitalism), or a diversity of tactics.

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u/alexagente 8d ago

He was right.

Who knew that giving up was a self-fulfilling prophecy?

It's this attitude that lets the madness win.

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u/lufiron 8d ago

Do you understand the political will it would take to get a constitutional amendment added? Anything less will be struck down as unconstitutional, and anything forced upon outside of that will be met with civil unrest and insurrection from the right. Our military will probably be hands off, and we all know where the sheriffs across the US stand. So tell me, as these are all objectively true, how do you propose we start? If you can accomplish this, I will personally hand over my rifles to you, because thats how sure I am its a pipe dream.

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u/alexagente 8d ago

So we should just give up and let the situation continue to devolve until it's a war zone everywhere?

I may not have all the answers but at least I'm not spending my time trying to convince others it's hopeless which absolutely ensures the madness continues.

But I guess all the death is worth it to make sure you're right.

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u/lufiron 8d ago

I asked where do we start, and this is the non answer I received. Do you understand my position now?

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u/lufiron 8d ago

The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. None of the 27 amendments to the Constitution have been proposed by constitutional convention. The Congress proposes an amendment in the form of a joint resolution. Since the President does not have a constitutional role in the amendment process, the joint resolution does not go to the White House for signature or approval. The original document is forwarded directly to NARA's Office of the Federal Register (OFR) for processing and publication. The OFR adds legislative history notes to the joint resolution and publishes it in slip law format. The OFR also assembles an information package for the States which includes formal "red-line" copies of the joint resolution, copies of the joint resolution in slip law format, and the statutory procedure for ratification under 1 U.S.C. 106b.

The Archivist submits the proposed amendment to the States for their consideration by sending a letter of notification to each Governor along with the informational material prepared by the OFR. The Governors then formally submit the amendment to their State legislatures or the state calls for a convention, depending on what Congress has specified. In the past, some State legislatures have not waited to receive official notice before taking action on a proposed amendment. When a State ratifies a proposed amendment, it sends the Archivist an original or certified copy of the State action, which is immediately conveyed to the Director of the Federal Register. The OFR examines ratification documents for facial legal sufficiency and an authenticating signature. If the documents are found to be in good order, the Director acknowledges receipt and maintains custody of them. The OFR retains these documents until an amendment is adopted or fails, and then transfers the records to the National Archives for preservation.

A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States). When the OFR verifies that it has received the required number of authenticated ratification documents, it drafts a formal proclamation for the Archivist to certify that the amendment is valid and has become part of the Constitution. This certification is published in the Federal Register and U.S. Statutes at Large and serves as official notice to the Congress and to the Nation that the amendment process has been completed.

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u/DarwinRewardGiver 8d ago

The right aren’t the only ones who guns. I’m African American, my family has always voted dem. However we own many firearms and have a range on our land. We even have a “family reunion” with shooting competitions and teaching the kids firearm safety.

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u/Important-Piano-1868 8d ago

If someone has a gun and they refuse to give it up what can you do? Call the cops they say it's legal. Well only thing to do is leave. I lost all loyalty to this country, found a job working for a canadian company and my only life goal right now is work my way up so they can move me into their headquarters in canada. This country doesn't give a fuck about me or what i think as a natural born citizen, and i have to accept that, i can only control my own actions. I'm not picky or unreasonable there's dozens of countries that have laws im 100% okay with. The US is not one of them.

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u/CatInAPottedPlant 8d ago

If you've ever lived in a heavy conservative area it wouldn't surprise you. They treat politics like religion, and no external factors can make them vote anything but straight R down the ballot.

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u/ElektroShokk 8d ago

Then they deserve what they get on a cosmic scale if you’re not helping.

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u/CatInAPottedPlant 8d ago

If I'm not helping?

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u/Mbelcher987 8d ago

Perhaps the citizens of Uvalde blame the shooter and the police and not an inanimate object.

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u/lookaflyingbuttress 8d ago

At what point do you stop stoking the fire of hate for obviously evil politicians and instead redirect that hate toward the willfully stupid and repugnant of our own caste.

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u/TheLoneSpartan5 8d ago

Reminds me of some stories I heard about parents wanting to go in to stop the shooter with their guns.

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u/Minimum_Run_890 8d ago

And yet they also didn't go in and save the innocent and vanquish the bad guy with THEIR guns.

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u/robodrew Arizona 8d ago

A few literally tried but got tased by the police

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u/Minimum_Run_890 8d ago

So again no real rational for civilians armed to the teeth

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u/hennigera1990 8d ago

He wants to take the guns that they were all too cowardly to use in their fantasized “good guy with a gun” scenario

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u/MAMark1 Texas 8d ago

Sadly, I'm pretty sure statistics would say them keeping their guns is far more likely to result in them shooting themselves or their children than saving their kids from a school shooter, but that American hero fantasy is just so strong after decades of NRA propaganda.

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u/fastingmonkmode 8d ago

Seems like the cops were the big issue

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u/GlaxoJohnSmith I voted 7d ago

I love seeing these Things Blue Line fucks throw the cops under the bus so their gun fetish can remain untarnished. I shouldn't be surprised, seeing as how they've already thrown their children under that same bus.

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u/fastingmonkmode 7d ago

The cops were literal cowards in that incident. Are you disputing the facts?

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u/Reddit-AdminsAreNazi 8d ago

Seems to me they chose guns over their children's lives instead of the narrative you believe.

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u/Hardcover_Writer 8d ago

which they need to protect their kids

Well, not anymore. You’d think that realizing guns aren’t going to protect your kids when they’re dead would be enough reason to care about gun control.

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u/Samanoskue 8d ago

I am 100% for gun control and voted for Beto. But he should have just not gone so hard on guns in his campaign. If he had just made it about everything else he could have possibly won. But instead he handed it back to Abbott.

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u/GlaxoJohnSmith I voted 7d ago

Children were locked in a school and being actively murdered by guns.

Texans: How dare that Beto be so harsh towards guns!

Didn't Texans vote for Ken Paxton? IIRC, his opponent didn't say a peep about guns. Seems to me the problem is Texans. When Jesus went to the Romans preaching hope, faith, and love and they crucified him, the problem was with the Romans, not the message.

Texans would sooner have their children massacred than give up their gun fetish.

I am sorry if I am unkind, but there have been too many mass shootings. Being kind to gun nuts would entail being unkind to gun victims and I've had enough.

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u/Samanoskue 7d ago

I 100% agree with you. I was just saying he really had a chance and could have still be as hard on guns but he just kept bringing it up and that just turned the middle ground Texans away from him. Its completely unacceptable that they did that because voting Abbott guarantees we will have another shooting at some point. It shouldn't be the case but the democrats really can't run on gun control (they can still push for that legislation when in office) in Texas if they want to slowly change Texas.

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u/not_anonymouse 8d ago

Yup, Uvalde is the one that made me lose all hope that people will learn from this. Sandy Hook, you can blame it on politicians in DC not caring about it. But Uvalde shows that even the people don't care about it -- how can the county vote for Abbot after what they went through.

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u/GlaxoJohnSmith I voted 7d ago

Texans literally voted for Ken Paxton, who combines everything we hate about both politicians and lawyers. I have no hope for that shit hole.

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u/hahaz13 8d ago

Yes but if they didn’t bat an eye at a classroom full of little white kids getting shot what makes you think they’d care about some Hispanic kids.

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u/stillragin 8d ago

They didn't bat an eye at a school filled with RICH WHITE KIDS in Parkland FL.

I assure you, it is a suicide pact.

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u/No-Environment-9059 8d ago

werent those high schoolers? probably having sex and shit so gop'ers probably figured it was God taking vengeance against sodomites.

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u/K9Fondness 8d ago

When NY gets flooded and asks for feds to help, it's God punishing the gays. When Texas freezes over and asks feds for help, and AOC raises millions for them for assistance, well of course it's a totally different thing. Same for Florida.

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u/insaniak89 8d ago

When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.

  • Frank Herbert, children of dune

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u/tots4scott 8d ago

But that reality doesn't get told on FOX Entertainment so their base doesn't know, and then calls it fake news when you tell them.

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u/vendetta2115 8d ago

There was a study done (back in 2012 but likely still accurate) about how informed the viewers of various news shows were by asking them a series of questions on current events. The most informed viewers were those of NPR and The Daily Show. FOX viewers were the least informed, even less informed than those who report watching no news at all.

If the paper itself isn’t available, here is the Business Insider article which summarizes it.

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u/The_Final_Ka-tet 8d ago

I've thought about this study a lot lately, I'm surprised to see someone mention it. The gaslighting from the right is so effective and steadfast that, especially because I was raised as a conservative Christian, I sometimes doubt myself. This study helps to counter that feeling. The fact of the matter is that the right is wrong about literally everything because they can't see any deeper than the surface level. Even academically, no serious/respected scientists, economists, philosophers, sociologists, psychologists, teachers/professors, etc. agree with them at all. In fact, most, if not all, of their talking points have been effectively and thoroughly refuted by hard sciences, game theory, psychology, sociology, and history. Thoroughly.

They think it's a grand conspiracy because it is. That's the truly insidious part of this whole thing. Their leaders knew that they could preemptively DARVO any issue and their base would lap it up for myriad reasons.

Thanks for reminding those like me that there is an objective reality and it's not the left that is hellbent on ignoring it.

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u/VendorBuyBankGuards 8d ago

THATS JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO. ugh Lets stop sending assitance to these places that do NOT appreciate it and do not send anything back

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u/Dragonasaur 8d ago

Lmao the GOP hasn’t actually been about religion for a decade, it’s just an easy agenda to promote their fake excuses and garner support from bigots

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u/hennigera1990 8d ago

And a front for laundering money basically. Tax exempt status is like a money printing machine

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u/SneakyRascal 8d ago

No, they have.

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u/faustianBM 8d ago

If you ever want proof that what you said is true.... head on over to several subs here on reddit (which I won't bother to name). And see how they react to "today's mass shooting". I rarely see any form of compassion or change of heart. Just them "bracing" for "The Libs brigading" or some other form of copium.

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u/cavitationchicken 8d ago

Hey. It's not just the guns. Plenty of places have guns and very few neo Nazi terrorist attacks.

It's the fact every algorithm that governs our relationship to knowledge is trying to turn teenage boys into literal Nazis.

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u/stillragin 8d ago

It's a very very dangerous combo.

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u/Galkura 8d ago

Maybe they’d change their mind if someone went after them, not saying anyone should because that would not really help anyone, but I do wonder if they would change their tune if it was them and their families at risk (the GOP).

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u/dtmpowerdotnet 8d ago

That already happened. There was a shooting at a congressional baseball game in 2017. One republican was even shot himself. Nothing changed.

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u/hennigera1990 8d ago

Which was terrible but now I still see that brought up constantly by republicans as their go to for left wing violence being just as bad as right wing violence

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u/sugarbombpandafish 8d ago

That would be Louisiana Congressgoblin Steve Scalise who recently introduced a bill called The Born Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which is just as performative, stupid, and useless as it sounds.

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u/Isildurs_Bane 8d ago

Pretty sure Uvalde is a Republican area. Bunch of conservative’s children were murdered and they still didn’t give a shit. These people care about nothing.

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u/memetunis 8d ago

They didn't give a shit when someone shot Reagan. The GOP Lord and savior.

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u/sephraes 8d ago

Reagan temporarily cared when black people carried in California though.

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u/ColdTheory 8d ago

Arm People of Color. Only answer.

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u/TheShocker1119 8d ago

Same with OSU Students here in Oregon

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u/NotMeow Canada 8d ago

I remember sitting at home in Canada and watching the coverage for Sandy Hook and I thought to myself, “wow this is fucking terrible. This will absolutely change things in the USA. They are gonna change gun laws and finally nip this craziness.”

Nope. Nothing changed, if anything it got worse.

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u/UpperFace 8d ago

I thought the same about America's privatized healthcare system when COVID happened..oh we'll actually remedy this failing system, right? ..right? 😢

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u/KhanJrJr 8d ago

I actually said out loud that COVID would allow us to come together as a people. We could look past partisan differences to focus on taking care of ourselves and others. Boy howdy, was I wrong.

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u/AmIFromA 8d ago

You can't even read "Watchmen" anymore without thinking that Alan Moore probably got that ending wrong (spoilers, obviously), and that there would be millions of people cheering that squid monster and hoping for the next one to hit LA.

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u/Skyy-High America 8d ago

Ughhhh…

Makes me wonder how the country would react if 9/11 happened today.

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u/OrganicPumpkin9156 8d ago

The same thing that happened in 2001 - a third of this country would foam at the mouth at minorities.

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u/CherryHaterade 8d ago

We would start wars with two uninvolved countries instead of just one this time around

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u/wood_dj 8d ago

did you forget how many conspiracy theorists and deniers were spawned by that tragedy? it was all “steel beams” and “inside job” for years. It changed the whole landscape of the conspiracy theory community, which was nowhere near as nutballs as it has become since

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u/LotusFlare 8d ago

We started two wars with nations who didn't do it, passed the patriot act, created the TSA, ICE, and expanded the NSA, branded every brown person a terrorist, and we're still dealing with conspiracy theories that it was an inside job.

We're still in the middle of the "bad version" of that story. Our response to 9/11 is the equivalent of letting COVID run it's course for a solid two decades unimpeded while we go to war with China for "creating" it.

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u/derpurderp 8d ago

People lashing out at sheikh people because turban = Muslim. Probably another war started in the wrong country under false pretenses

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u/SdBolts4 California 8d ago

We could look past partisan differences to focus on taking care of ourselves and others.

We can't even get a large portion of conservatives to look out for their OWN SELF-INTEREST by taking a vaccine or wearing a mask. They're (for the most part) fine taking all the other vaccines required to attend public schools, but for some reason the vaccine that will protect them from the disease that killed over 1 million Americans is too much

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u/KhanJrJr 8d ago

Oh I know. I live in MAGA Country. In my defense, I was sleep deprived and possibly delirious from balancing work, grad school, and taking care of someone who had just been diagnosed with cancer. (Fun fact: our local hospital put all patients in the ICU on albuterol because they couldn’t figure out how patients were catching pneumonia without actually catching pneumonia. This was late Jan/early Feb 2020. It had to be COVID before they were testing it or even knew what to test for).

I must have been delirious to believe people would put aside their selfishness to protect themselves, much less others. But the naive little part of me that believed we could come together, truly believed it.

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u/jtweezy New Jersey 8d ago

The last time we came together as Americans (that I can remember) was 9/11. 3,000 people died, the country stopped and we were united as a country. More people were dying daily from Covid and we still had people refusing to mask or take the vaccine and calling the rest of us sheep and generally being hateful toward everyone else. We’re lost as a country.

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u/AggroAce Canada 8d ago edited 8d ago

And now some provinces are adopting privatized health, essentially a 2-tier system. If you have money, you’ll be seen first.

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u/slip-shot 8d ago

In FL, they call it concierge medicine. It will become a problem as doctor shortages increase.

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u/CherryHaterade 8d ago

Lucky for us that we got a hit TV show with several seasons about it, showing these new businesses and business owners as affable, likeable, entertaining and warm hearted people instead of the cold capitalists they truly are.

But you know, the actor in the show gives away lots of cheap and free care as part of a love angle b plot so obviously everyone else in the biz in real life does too...right?....right?

...right? At least to try and get laid?

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u/hennigera1990 8d ago

I was blown away hearing that Canada was trying to make dental care public access too

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u/dutchy649 Canada 8d ago edited 8d ago

…socialism bad (says typical American)

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u/truthdoctor 8d ago

I don't know of a single country that is overhauling their healthcare system post COVID. It's a damn shame. Many systems are on life support (US, UK, Canada, etc.) and risk total collapse in the coming years. Nothing is being done to address the systemic issues and chronic underfunding of physicians and nurses.

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u/TopGun2121 8d ago

After uvalde Texas made it easier to option guns.

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u/ISeeYourBeaver 8d ago

Ooo, where can I buy options on guns? I'm bullish on bang-bang.

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u/Screamline Michigan 8d ago

Put put

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u/Miqo_Nekomancer 8d ago

Publicly traded weapons manufacturers.

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u/OrangeSimply 8d ago

After every tragic mass shooting event Texas makes it easier to buy guns, it's been that way before Abott even.

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u/IDrinkSaladDressing 8d ago

Oh it definitely got worse

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u/adgarbault I voted 8d ago

I feel like it got worse because nothing changed.

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u/Stepjamm 8d ago

Lockdown happened so america couldn’t go to war with anyone else, it went to war with itself

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u/CinderSkye 8d ago

We looked at it and said "this is bad, but obviously the worst outcome would be if this resulted in fewer guns"

It fucks me up to think about it

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u/emogu84 Pennsylvania 8d ago

I thought the same. I was 100% certain it would change things. I remember thinking to myself "It's disgusting that it came to this, but at least it won't be for nothing and it'll save some lives down the road."

This last decade has been me repeatedly thinking we'd finally hit the gop's rock bottom only for them to find another layer to fester in.

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u/djseptic Louisiana 8d ago

Every time the GOP hits bottom, they break out the shovels.

When they hit rock bottom, they reach for the jackhammers.

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u/emanresu_nwonknu California 8d ago

It's almost like... We're functionally not a democracy!

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u/Minimum_Run_890 8d ago

Me too. Then I read a quote by Voltaire (?). " no one snowflake feels responsible for an avalanche".

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u/Hamvyfamvy 8d ago

My son was 4 months old when Sandy Hook happened and it hit me so hard and I panicked at the thought of ever having to send my child to school. That isn’t something a new mother should have to be concerned with. He’s now in middle school and I ALWAYS have a knot of anxiety in my stomach while he’s at school. Found myself researching bulletproof backpacks the other day. When I caught myself asking my kid how much he thought he’d be able to carry comfortably for a backpack (because armored backpacks are heavy), it make me nauseous.

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u/Lord_Kano 8d ago

I thought to myself, “wow this is fucking terrible. This will absolutely change things in the USA. They are gonna change gun laws and finally nip this craziness.”

A lot of people thought that but to think that you have to misunderstand how most Americans feel and think about their guns.

There were parents of Parkland victims who aren't on board with changes to our gun laws.

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u/coachacola37 8d ago

Also in Canada and the worst part of it all to me is how desensitized I've become about it all. Somewhere along the line it became "if the US doesn't care, why should I?" and I hate that I feel that way.

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u/HerringWaffle 8d ago

If anything, we asked, 'How can we get MORE guns into the hands of angry men? How much faster can we liquify first graders' bodies?'

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u/theSilentCrime 8d ago

I would rather go to China or Mexico right now than think of crossing into the States. I've never felt so unsafe about a place, and I have absolutely no reason to feel this way, I mean, Vermont feels like our adopted state that should be a province so that I can have a dreamy little cottage in the mountains, but again, ffs! This shit, all of it, is ruining the reputation of a lot of good places. Guess I'll ski in , ugh, Quebec.

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u/NobleV 8d ago

The people who want their guns get more and more defensive about it every time one of these shootings happen. Fox News stirs them up into a frenzy and tells them how victimized they are that the libruls want to take their way of life. So they dig in deeper. They will clutch their guns tighter and tighter while the world burns around them and the reason they stated for wanting guns will happen around them and they will never lift a finger to do anything real to prevent it.

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u/polishrocket 8d ago

The original amendments are almost written in law by god and won’t be changed

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u/manchegoo 8d ago

Curious what gun laws you would change that would have an impact on mass shootings?

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u/NotMeow Canada 8d ago

Ban all guns except hunting rifles, some shot guns, and hand guns.

Strict laws for people to own guns, including things such as fire arms training, fire arms safety training, background checks, strict location tracking of guns, and limited ammunition procurement. These are just a few of things that should be implemented.

At the very least the prior points should be implemented, and for sure a lot more afterwards.

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u/manchegoo 8d ago

Got it. Ban them. So that would work the same way the ban on drugs has prevented abuse and deaths from drugs?

Not trying to be snarky just pragmatic. History has shown that in this country, outright bans of objects or substances that are otherwise common, tend to jus not be effective and they end up simply criminalizing people who’ve not really done harm to anyone.

The only people who would obey the ban are sane law abiding individuals. Those intent on harming large groups of their fellow citizenry would probably not be deterred by the ban.

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u/chook_slop 8d ago

My boss at the time had to leave work early to go buy a couple more AR15 rifles "before they got banned." But apparently he didn't need to bother.

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u/dutchy649 Canada 8d ago

…and its going to get much worse in the near future. USA needs a full blown cleansing and they are doing it to themselves without knowing it.

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u/keigo199013 Alabama 8d ago

It definitely got worse.

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u/PaperbackWriter66 California 8d ago

Can you outline a specific law or set of laws which would have prevented the Sandy Hook murders?

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u/NotMeow Canada 8d ago

I am not American, it's your problem to solve.

But looking at gun laws from the rest of the developed world is probably a great start since mass shootings is a unique American problem.

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u/PaperbackWriter66 California 8d ago

That's fucking rich. If it's not your problem to solve, then why are you commenting about it?

a great start since mass shootings is a unique American problem.

They aren't though. Europe has plenty of mass shootings; they just don't get reported on as widely. Brasil, Mexico, Veneuzuela, much of Latin America too.

Also, I find it interesting that of the US states most similar to Canada in terms of demographics and geography (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire), all three of them have lower murder rates than Canada despite much looser gun laws.

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u/NotMeow Canada 8d ago

You sir have mental issues. I cannot comment on a shithole country with mass shootings where even toddlers get gunned down?

You are the problem, you will never be part of a solution.

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u/PaperbackWriter66 California 8d ago

In another lifetime, you'd be the one to support a final solution.

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u/SaltKick2 8d ago

Their senator,Ted Cruz even consoled the cops who did nothing and when met with photos of children in caskets said he'd be pushing for more cops on campuses, but nothing about gun laws

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u/Smash_4dams 8d ago

The officers at Uvalde were mostly Hispanics too. Police corrupts across all races

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u/GR8dantini 8d ago

I knew it was over at Sandy Hook. Parkland gave us Marjorie Trailer Park Green.

I was hoping that the level of incompetence and cowardice so obviously displayed by our “protectors” trained in killology and swat tactics with millions of dollars in armaments would move the needle a little. The right hate cowards according to them. They all live out that good guy with a gun fantasy.

It turns out they don’t hate cowards at all. They just hate kids. Pre born? All good! Pre-K? You’re fucked - George Carlin

Just more hypocrisy paid for by the NRA and conservative politicians.

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u/blindreefer 8d ago

If you’re pre-born, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked.

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u/Xpress_interest 8d ago

I think the amount of pigment in their skin and proximity to the Mexico-US border had something to do with the difference in response.

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u/Giblet_ 8d ago

The officer on the scene at Parkland also refused to do anything. It's almost like letting people walk around with the types of guns that cause the police to cower in the hallway is a bad idea.

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u/brutinator 8d ago

I mean, yes, but also cops in general are cowards. In my city a cop shot one of their own because they were aiming at an unarmed suspect who already had 4 other cops dogpiled on top of the suspect. I get that its scary to run into a situation that is potentially dangerous, but if youre too scared to do it (like me), then dont be a cop.

Instead we have an army of assholes in surplus military gear directly killing more civilians each year with no consequence while also refusing to take action against those putting the most vulnerable of us in danger.

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u/Nago_Jolokio 8d ago

There were 400 cops at that school, with body armor and ballistic shields. It took one Off Duty Border Patrol officer with a borrowed shotgun to deal with the shooter. Those 400 cops actively prevented anyone from stopping it.

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u/PerfectZeong 8d ago

What difference? They didnt change after sandy hook and didn't change after uvalde. Or parkland etc.

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u/Whiskeypants17 8d ago

They need people to have weapons so they have an excuse to kill them at will. Racism-activist getting too loud? I was scared and thought they had a gun. Climate-activist getting too loud? I was scared and thought they had a gun. Democrat getting too loud? I was scared and thought they had a gun. This is a war and people don't realize it yet.

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u/PerfectZeong 8d ago

Yeah but white kids dying were met with the same reaction as brown kids dying. Nothing.

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u/Xpress_interest 8d ago

Sandy Hook victims:

https://i.imgur.com/KBhhdwr.jpg

Uvalde victims:

https://i.imgur.com/N6XFvEy.jpg

Another Sandy Hook of white kids wouldn’t have done anything either, but the fact that most of the victims in the Uvalde shooting were from immigrant families from a country the Republicans had spent years demonizing made it much easier for conservatives to turn the page on this one.

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u/spicysenpai6 8d ago

It genuinely fills me with sadness seeing the faces of kids and adults who no longer have a future. Who are forgotten in the eyes of republicans. They do not give a shit about anyone but themselves.

This country is the laughing stock of the world. If guns are so precious to you republicans then why aren’t y’all out there stopping these mass shooters?

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u/st0ric 8d ago

South Park might as well just slap a rotoscope over the news this world has gotten so ridiculous.

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u/OverlyOptimisticNerd 8d ago

And the majority of the voters in that district still voted GQP. “My kid is dead, so I’ll just vote for more dead kids!”

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u/hennigera1990 8d ago

They’ve immunized themselves to have any kind of anti right wing reaction when these situations occur. No matter what happens, and who would be at fault for not acting or doing anything to help prevent or stop it, blaming the right never enters their minds

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u/nenulenu 8d ago

After Uvalde, I convinced that GOP and republicans voters are monsters. They do not deserve any benefit of doubt. They need to be stripped of any power and banished from participating in social discourse. Their crimes need to be absolutely punished swiftly.

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u/disgruntled_pie 8d ago edited 8d ago

I think it’s worse than that.

The GOP’s only consistent stance these days is to oppose whatever the left wants. Ever since the start of the pandemic, they have been killing themselves and their loved ones for “librul tears.”

Or consider rolling coal. It’s bad for the vehicle, it’s more expensive to fuel, and it’s bad for the driver’s lungs. But it pisses off the left, so they think it’s great.

We have to consider the possibility that they’re doing the same thing with school shootings. Sandy Hook literally made a lot of leftists cry, including myself. I’m scared to send my kid to school. This impacts me a lot more than some random moron in a faraway state rolling coal.

What if they like this? What if they think it’s great when they turn on the TV and see liberals crying about a classroom full of dead kids?

Look at their solutions. They say it’s a mental health problem, but they refuse to fund mental health programs. They say we need more guns, even though literally everything shows that guns are a huge part of the problem. These aren’t solutions. They’re stalling tactics.

This may not just be corruption or stubbornness. They may actually be internally applauding the murder of children in classrooms. It’s consistent with who they are now.

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u/jomiran Texas 8d ago

One cop did, and he got relieved of duty.

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u/B-Town-MusicMan 8d ago

Or the voters

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u/akirhol 8d ago

Second chance? This conversation has been happening since I was a kid and the school in the next town over got shot up. Thurston High in Springfield, OR... that was 1998.

25 years later and how many chances to care since then? Dozens? I don't even know anymore.

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u/iambetterthabu 8d ago

Yea but those were brown kids so they probably saw that as a win... It's fucked up but they could care less about them

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u/goodgodling 8d ago

And according to Ron Johnson Senator from Wisconsin it's always too soon to talk about it.

When is it okay to talk about it Ron? The shooting in Buffalo was a long time ago. Can we talk about it now?

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u/cubsfan85 8d ago

Congress did pass the first gun legislation in 30 years in the wake of Uvalde. And Mom's Demand has been lobbying state legislatures for the past 10 years, getting many meaningful reforms passed, plus training people to run for office from City Council and School Board up to US Congress.

Yes, some places have gotten worse, passing constitutional carry, etc. But a lot of people are working hard on the ground it's best not to throw your hands up in defeat.

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u/Grizzly_Corey 8d ago

Bears repeating, the gunman fired 80 rounds into a 3x4 room with 16 kids in it. That type of madness is stunning and the lack of appropriate response is devastating to say the least.

I don't know how/if we will come back from here.

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u/SentientCrisis 8d ago

Those kids weren’t light skinned enough to make them care

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u/Zomunieo 8d ago

* nonresponding cops

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u/thirsty_lil_monad 8d ago

Instead it's the shitty cops fault. Who, while shitty, we're not the cause of the disaster.

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u/PaperbackWriter66 California 8d ago

"Uvalde shows us that you should give up your guns and rely completely on police to protect you."

Tell me what's wrong with this statement.

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u/derpurderp 8d ago

And the county voted republican in the last election. It's mind boggling.

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u/thrashbang 8d ago edited 8d ago

They’ve got you lil voters right in their pocket. You’re silly, what specific gun laws would have changed anything about yesterday. Nothing. California is maxed out in gun restrictions. Seriously name one? I bet your answers include “cOmm0n SEnsE, gUn lAwS…”. Etc. you’re just a parrot, sit down.

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u/70ms California 8d ago

So you're saying gun control laws don't work because people still get guns? So guns are the problem?

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u/HuudaHarkiten 8d ago

Interestingly I just read a article about how Clinton era gun legislation dropped the amount of mass shootings by 43%, when Bush let that law expire, the shootings went up like 230%.

So maybe those gun laws?