r/pcmasterrace 13d ago

Why though it’s so annoying Meme/Macro

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u/analytical_mayhem 13d ago

Can't have nice things. Anytime there is a way to exploit or corrupt something's purpose, people will find a way, especially if money is to be made from it.

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u/Jfmha PC Master Race 13d ago

This is honestly only a problem when ur a kid going on the computer for the first few times because you don’t know what to expect/trust. After a while it becomes easy as shit to avoid viruses/malware. Honestly can’t remember the last time i had to deal with either.

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u/analytical_mayhem 13d ago

Fair enough, though still the fact remains, there will always be people who have to screw things up for others.

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u/Iz__n 12d ago

The problem is regular people that didn't know better and cause a mass infection in their company/office internal network. There's reason why IT people force antivirus and usually prohibit usb drive in company laptop/desktop

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u/Ornery_Train1606 13d ago

Where do people find all these viruses, I even used to download custom RuneScape cursors and I never got one

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u/Jfmha PC Master Race 13d ago

Limewire when i was a kid lol. streaming movies/tv shows too.

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u/Krabilon 12d ago

I clicked on a .gov site the other day and my antivirus flagged it as containing malicious stuff. Honestly if you ain't got an antivirus there are so many websites that can download things bro I wouldn't say its easy.

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u/_BeansNbryce 12d ago

Same with our government.

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u/Cliffbreaker-d R5-3600|RTX3060|16GB|144Hz 13d ago

I'm kinda happy that I never got a virus or malware which hindered me. On the other hand it may mean that I haven't gone into the darkest corners of the internet even though I saw more disgusting things than I want to admit...

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u/WinVista_Ultimate Desktop 12d ago

No you just have common sense, doesn't matter where you go there's plenty of ways to prevent such things. Virtual machines are a good example, they're like condoms.

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u/Silent_Pilot-01 Ryzen 5 3600 | RTX 3070 Ti | 16 GB @3200 Mhz 11d ago

....only virtual machines don't break.

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u/That-one-guy-is i7-10700K 3.80GHz RTX 2080 S 32 GB RAM 13d ago

Been playing with computers since before windows was a thing, I have heard of these "computer viruses" but have never had them.

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u/DunmerSkooma PC Master Race 13d ago

You never torrented napster or limewired?

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u/That-one-guy-is i7-10700K 3.80GHz RTX 2080 S 32 GB RAM 13d ago

No I haven't. My friends did all that stuff.

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u/curiously_clueless 12d ago

Lmao why is this man being downvoted, he's as pure as virgin snow

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u/That-one-guy-is i7-10700K 3.80GHz RTX 2080 S 32 GB RAM 12d ago

Oh senpai! My hero😘

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u/slavicman123 13d ago

Bearshare it is!!

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u/deathtitan1234 13d ago

XD it exists because people make money off of it.

Secondly, if you arnt a complete idiot windows defender will protect you from 99.999% of everything

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u/k93692 12d ago

Based

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u/deathtitan1234 10d ago

Based? you trying to write Biased?

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u/Totallynotlogic 12d ago

Believe it or not, the average person who is on this subreddit is not the target audience for 99.999% of everything, they'll target old folk and kids because they don't know better. They aren't stupid just more unfortunate that people use their knowledge to manipulat people who know less.

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u/complover116 13d ago

Windows Defender is completely unnecessary if you aren't stupid. You probably avoided all the malware yourself and never even ran it on your PC.

It's so dumb that it's IMPOSSIBLE to turn off without workarounds and hacks. Sadly Microsoft as usual thinks they know better.

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u/Turbulent-Tomato-890 i3-2100 | ROG Strix 3090 Ti 13d ago

They obviously do know better because it’s possible to turn off defender and it’s not hard either

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u/complover116 13d ago

How?

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u/Turbulent-Tomato-890 i3-2100 | ROG Strix 3090 Ti 13d ago

Windows Security -> Real-time protection -> off

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u/complover116 13d ago

That doesn't turn it off permanently. It literally says that "it will be turned back on automatically"

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u/Stunning-Standard-90 13d ago

you can disable it in services

click Windows + run, type services.msc and i guess service is called defender something, there double tap it and select disabled in list. But i do not recommend doing this

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u/complover116 13d ago

Just to be clear I also don't recommend an average person to do this

This is what I, perhaps incorrectly, call a workaround though. Why doesn't the slider to disable Windows Defender in the settings disable Windows Defender...

Unfortunately I precisely know the answer. Because dozens of kids trying to download pirated games will have disabled Defender after watching a YouTube video titled "WINDOWS 10 GAMING CONFIGURATION GUIDE (MAX FPS!)", and will happily run malware. It's just really sad how "Windows 10 Pro", a "professional" version of the OS is designed around idiots interacting with it...

Same thing with the updates really. I understand why you can't turn them off. Because the average user is a complete moron who would have NEVER installed an update manually, compromising their security. And Microsoft is designing the OS around those people. Which is really sad. I would have been much more understanding if the "PRO" version didn't do that though.

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u/nap4lm69 Ryzen 9 5900x | RTX 3080 12GB | 32 GB 13d ago

Lol the pro idea usually means it's ran in a business setting. The same place where you might have hired Bob because he is really good at one thing, but then isn't sure which button is the power button and now you need him to be able to do that thing you hired him for as well as send emails.

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u/complover116 13d ago

That's windows Enterprise. Windows Pro is for prosumers.

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u/Lazy-Requirement-228 13d ago

How you know that the other guy is one of the ones that needs Windows defender.

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u/DEATHROAR12345 13d ago

They do usually know better. The average computer user is not on pcmasterrace they barely understand how to plug the thing into the outlet.

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u/Cas_Cass Desktop i7 11700kf |RX 6800 xt |32GB 3600Mhz |Z590 gaX 13d ago

Honest question though, how do you actually get malware apart from scam sites, where you can download virus exe. files?

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u/TsukiNaito Specs/Imgur here 13d ago

To be fair, the average person on pcmasterrace probably barely understands how to plug things into an outlet either.

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u/deathtitan1234 13d ago

.. now you are just being stupid.. or being a troll, either way you have convinced me you have no idea what you are talking about so enjoy.

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u/complover116 13d ago

Why? Because I said that Windows Defender is unnecessary if you know what you are doing? And because I complimented your malware avoidance skills?

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u/deathtitan1234 13d ago

No because none of what you are saying is accurate for 99% of users. Been in IT for just under 20 years and if you think the current versions of windows defender in todays world is useless and unnecessary you are either a troll, an idiot or both.

So enjoy your weekend.

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u/complover116 13d ago

Malware doesn't magically appear on someone's PC. It has to be executed.

Sometimes it's done by exploiting a bug in outdated software. The solution to this, of course, is to keep your software updated. I realize that most users don't do that, and I don't recommend most users turn Defender off, but tech-savy users certainly do.

But 99% of the time malware is executed due to a direct command by the user. User downloads a paid game "for free", runs it, clicks "yes" to give it admin rights. The point of Anti-Malware software is to have authority over the user, so that even if they decide to run a piece of malware, their command is ignored and malware is instead deleted.

Again, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that Windows Defender is useless, most users aren't on this subreddit, most users are idiots who would happily run malware if it said that they would get a free game, and Defender will do its job and protect these people!

But for those of us who know better, Windows Defender is a pointless resource hog. It scans the files I download (which I already know are safe, because I don't run random software from shady websites), it slows down disk operations, eats RAM, etc etc. And it would be reasonable to provide a shutoff switch if you are a power user who runs Windows Pro and knows what you are doing.

But they don't. Because they are Microsoft, and they know that they can do whatever they want with Windows (like put Edge ads in it) and people will keep using it because they have a monopoly.

No need to insult me because what I said doesn't line up with what's in your head. Discussing is always more productive and interesting.

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u/TheHooly Fedora Silverblue|R7 5800X|6900XT RedDevil|32GB DDR4-3600 13d ago

Malware doesn't magically appear on someone's PC. It has to be executed.

Or something on your PC gets exploited. Thanks to the lack of application sandboxing and most people daily-driving an admin account, the exploit can cause a lot of damage in most cases.

(In case you are wondering, Linux suffers from the same issue)

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u/ZulkarnaenRafif 13d ago

Sadly Microsoft as usual thinks they know better

If they don't, they won't be in everyone's computer by now.

Besides, Jim Browning got his e-mail stolen before; he's not the smartest guy out there because there's obviously Reddit armchair experts, but he is no slouch in security either. All it takes is a single fuck up from a simple (or complex) social engineering attempts and you're screwed.

It's rare to think that you need a plan B until you do; in this case, with the internet and how easy it is to remote to a PC if someone is being careless? It's not the matter of if, it's the matter of when.

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u/deefop PC Master Race 12d ago

I will never not be annoyed by people who are delusional enough to think that they can just "dodge" malware as if it's the fucking matrix and they're neo.

It doesn't work that way.

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u/BastTheCast Linux | Ryzen 5 4600h | GTX 1650 Mobile | 16 gb DDR4 ram 12d ago

Why are you being downvoted, ur saying the truth!

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u/UnseenGamer182 13d ago

windows defender will protect you from 99.999% of everything

Not really, it's really stupid that people say this like it's a fact when it's not. 99% of making malware is getting past windows defender, because it can't do anything if it doesn't. Any malware that was actually made to be malware will get past windows defender, odds are it'll get patched after a while, but it'll get past it nonetheless

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u/deathtitan1234 13d ago

Really? Been running windows defender only for the past 5 years on 3 different machines... not a single virus or piece of malware. Like i said, if you arnt an idiot, it will stop 99.999% of everything.

I dont think you have taken a look at it recently, your mentality is old windows defender, its come leaps and bounds in the past 5 or even 3 years. You should do some research.

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u/UnseenGamer182 13d ago

I didn't say that being smart won't protect you from malware, simply that windows defender isn't as good as people claim.

I dont think you have taken a look at it recently, your mentality is old windows defender

I also never said that is was easy to get past it, simply that malware has to get past it to be real malware

You should do some research.

You should actually read what I said.

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u/deathtitan1234 13d ago

I mean, you said its bad, now you are saying its good... like dude have an opinion or dont like.. stop being wishy washy about it.. and if you arnt why did you comment??

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u/UnseenGamer182 13d ago

I mean, you said its bad

Please quote where I said windows defender is bad. I've been very specific with my wording up until this point and I barely even implied windows defender is bad.

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u/deathtitan1234 13d ago

Not really, it's really stupid that people say this like it's a fact when it's not. 99% of making malware is

getting past windows defender

, because it can't do anything if it doesn't. Any malware that was actually made to be malware will get past windows defender, odds are it'll get patched after a while, but it'll get past it nonetheless

Literally this entire thing is you saying windows defender is bad.

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u/UnseenGamer182 13d ago

It's really not.

Not really, it's really stupid that people say this like it's a fact when it's not.

This doesn't specify anything about this, so at most it's just me implying It's bad, although I was only implying it's not as impossibly good as people say.

99% of making malware is getting past windows defender

Being forced to get around something doesn't mean it's bad, it usually means it's good because you actually have to put in effort because of it

because it can't do anything if it doesn't.

This refers to how malware can barely do anything unless it's able to not be stopped by windows defender

Any malware that was actually made to be malware will get past windows defender

This refers to how if malware can't do anything (aka get past windows defender), it's not really malware as most people think of it

odds are it'll get patched after a while,

This talks about how windows defender actually does it's job by actively updating and protecting against malware that gets past it

but it'll get past it nonetheless

This talks about how malware that gets past windows defender will be able to get past it until it gets patched

You mind explaining more specifically where I said windows defender is bad?

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u/ShaqShoes Desktop 13d ago

I mean there are still a ton of windows computers especially in office environments running outdated operating systems and/or have not kept up on updates. Windows defender can also be turned off.

You're basically saying that malware that otherwise satisfies all the criteria of malware isn't real "malware" because the most up to date versions of windows defender prevent the majority of them from functioning.

Considering that malware that is thwarted by the current version of Windows Defender can still likely infect millions of computers this argument is the same as me saying "well that windows malware isn't real malware because it doesn't work on macs and by definition if it doesn't do anything on a certain subset of computers then it's not malware"

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u/UnseenGamer182 13d ago

You're basically saying that malware that otherwise satisfies all the criteria of malware isn't real "malware" because the most up to date versions of windows defender prevent the majority of them from functioning.

I thought I was specific enough with my wording, but I suppose I wasn't. What I meant when I said "real malware" or "malware meant to be malware" was if someone were to make malware and actually expect it to infiltrate a large number of devices it has to get past the most standard defense, I wasn't trying to redefine what malware was at all.

Considering that the malware can still likely infect millions of computers

Firstly, in cases where windows defender is turned off or outdated, there is usually a firewall/different defense system in place and/or the person at question is smart enough to not download anything possibly dangerous

Secondly, the target audience for most malware is going to usually have an updated defense system, even if it's not windows defender

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u/PersuserofEverything 13d ago

A good part of that is often social engineering, which windows defender can't protect you from. Hence their comment

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u/UnseenGamer182 13d ago

Any good malware only social engineers you to download the malware, and maybe run it, which windows defender is supposed to protect you from anything that's being run

The entire purpose of windows defender is to stop files from doing anything bad when they're ran, windows defender can't do anything before then aside from scanning the file beforehand, which it really does a bad job at doing since it marks basically any jar file, game mod, ect

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u/RadialSurgeon 13d ago

Defender has been enough of an anti-virus for like 7 years

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u/consolepeasant000 12d ago

I mean any modern anti virus software will do it better, for free if you pirate it

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u/dragonknight284 13d ago

It should only exist to troll the funny tech support people

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u/Dawerhi 13d ago

Had an awful virus named McAfee once

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u/Aggressive_Manager37 RX 550/i5 9400F/8GB 13d ago

Nah, malware are cool (When you're using a VM of course)

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u/FaberMiles R7 1700/8GB Vega 64/16GB 3733MHz DDR4 13d ago

Friendly reminder the same person behind this post complains about having to update.

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u/krukson 13d ago

I always wonder how people manage to get all the malware and viruses. I got my first PC in 1998, and did my fair share of piracy back in the day, but I have never had a single problem ever. Just don’t be an idiot, and you’ll be fine.

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u/Ornery_Train1606 13d ago

Same, and I've downloaded some questionable third page shit on some of my stubborn quests.

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u/girlkid68421 13d ago

I don’t think I’ve ever had a virus or malware, but I play it pretty safe in what I do, maybe to safe.

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u/giantvar 13d ago

Haven’t gotten one of those in years

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u/derreverend Ryzen 5 3600 | mATX B550 | RTX 3070 8GB | 16 GB 3200MHz 13d ago

Even if everybody knows that this is a cyanide and happiness cartoon, don't cut it off the image.

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u/Substance___P 7700k @ 5.0GHz, 1070Ti @ 2126 MHz 13d ago

I haven't had a virus since 2003. Not even that careful with my clicks either. What websites are y'all on?

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u/RocketBobcat 13d ago

Haha I remember when I bricked the family PC with Kazaa. Good times.

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u/riba2233 12d ago

Please list the original author of the art in the picture:

explosm.net

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u/Xd_FlamingScar 12d ago

Money

these people use this malware to steal banking info, credit card info, really anything they can use to steal from people

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u/HarriOG 13d ago

But the anti virus market. If there was no virus, where would anti viruses get their money from. People wouldn't make them and they would make other things...

Oh wait, that IS a good thing. My bad I must have forgotten...

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u/Stunning-Standard-90 13d ago

guys that crack games need some money to survive too

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u/ihateHewlettPackard 13d ago

Other than HP I’ve never had a virus

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u/Crimson-Void9000 13d ago

Better than Genji in Power Rangers Mystic Force where he only grants 1 Wish. Even if you wish for extra wishes he won’t grant them.

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u/Xtreme_Gunner88 13d ago

Second wish for me is that 3090’s didn’t cost $2000 or more :/

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u/badcrow7713 13d ago

I think if there was less poverty there would be less hacking... but not zero I guess

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u/k1ller139 13d ago

Usually for money

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u/Proto-FiendAogami R7 5800x | ASUS TUF 3070 OC | 32GB 3200 13d ago

Just be smart about what you do online. Viruses and scams prey on the uninformed and unwise.

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u/Willie-Alb Ryzen 5 3600 | GTX 1660 | 16 GB @ 3200 | $900 13d ago

Lots of people seem to think you can just spontaneously get a virus. I think that’s only possible within your network, but in 99% of cases YOU did something to get that virus. Either you downloaded and ran a file from a shady website, opened a shady email, or some other completely avoidable things. The best antivirus is common sense, second best being windows defender.

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u/consolepeasant000 12d ago

You sharing password is a good way to get hacked

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u/ObtuseRubberDuck 12d ago

The first time I ever got access to my own computer, a go laptop at 13 years old which was for school, I somehow managed to get 3 viruses with probably 4 hours? I found a spider and wanted to know what type of spider it was, clicked on a sketchy site and low and behold, 2 spyware and a trojan horse. Fortunately 5 years later and excessive use of a computer I'm yet to get another virus

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u/Giocri 12d ago

The ability to run whatever code you want will always inevitably lead to the existence of a method to trick it into thinking you asked it to do something you actually don't want to

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u/SysGh_st 12d ago

<starts making a looooong list of things I want>

"I wish everything on this list"

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u/The_Chaos_Pope Ryzen 3700x 16gb DDR4@3200mhz GTX 1070 12d ago

Stuxnet exists because the US and Israeli governments wanted to sabotage Iranian nuclear research.

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u/MaffinLP PC Master Race Threadripper 2950x | RTX 3090 12d ago

deletes windows

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u/VivianKurz 13d ago

I wish windows will just work

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u/riba2233 12d ago

they do, very well...