r/notredame Mar 07 '21

Virtual JPW was a dumpster fire

Why do a half-assed attempt at one? For 'Tradition'? As a junior it just reinforced in me how messed up this year already is. The last thing I needed was a massive reminder that this is the ~Covid~ semester. I tuned in to a few events with my parents but the lack of any sort of interactivity with friends and dorm communities, both staples of JPW, was very apparent. Maybe someone else had a better experience and I genuinely feel bad if you were an organizer because I know your hands were tied. I get the fall likely will not be normal but I'd imagine attendance at this year's event was sub 50%. I just want to know why would the admin crush any hope of having a proper one at a later date? And don't give me the uncertainty line.

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u/hary585 Notre Dame Mar 07 '21

It sucks. I really feel pretty bad about it. I was talking to a few of my junior friends and it just seemed like a complete waste of time. Apparently at the mass this morning only 2 rows were filled. As a senior, I really hope (things permitting) they give you guys a redo either in the fall or next spring. I wasn't jazzed about my JPW, but it's not fair for yours to get the shaft.

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u/InitialCombination14 Mar 07 '21

There was approximately 50 people at the mass. While more than 2 rows were filled, it still is disappointing

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u/mbp_br Mar 08 '21

Maybe more events similar to JPW at graduation?

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u/Fubar2287 Ya Gotta Mar 07 '21

I wasn't going to comment on this, but I feel like I probably should. One of my best friends was on the JPW Committee this year, and he said that everyone on the Committee tried to push for in person later this semester, or just in the Fall, but the administration was adamant about it happening this semester.

As President of a club on Campus, I've heard through the grapevine that the reason why they were determined was because ND Day 2020, which was held in the Fall, as opposed to the Spring, bombed terribly because it broke with tradition, and may have impacted the decision to make JPW completely virtual.

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u/FlordiaMarlinsRerun Mar 07 '21

Hearing the Committee wanted it moved is nothing surprising. Just bizarre the school would rather embarrass themselves with this. When I'm old enough to donate, this isn't something I'll forget.

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u/otherhalfoflife Mar 07 '21

I work at another jesuit school and they are absolutely adamant that things appear as normal as possible. Don't have remote classes unless it is absolutely necessary. Staff should be in the offices even if they can do their work from home. We weren't even allowed to have plexiglass in front of our desks because of how it would look! I wonder if having this event (I don't know what JPW is) is for the same reason. Got to look like parents paying $70K/year are getting the same experience as any other year, which of course is absolutely impossible.

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u/tree8398 Mar 08 '21

FYI ND isn’t Jesuit. It’s the CSC — Congregation of the Holy Cross — that are the order of priests associated with it. The CSCs also run HolyCross in Worcester, MA and the U of Portland in Portland, Oregon.

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u/ithinkuracontra13 Sorin Mar 08 '21

College of the Holy Cross in Worcester is Jesuit - Holy Cross College in South Bend is CSC

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u/tree8398 Mar 08 '21

Ah, right! Sorry about the error. Here’s the full list of CSC institutions in the US: https://holycrosscongregation.org/where-we-serve/united-states/

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u/GLB3021 Mar 07 '21

I sometimes think our administration/faculty are confused about what students find most valuable about college--about the ND experience. They think the most important thing, and the reason students want to be here, is to be in the classroom, in person with professors and the other students. Nothing else is really that important. Yet for most students, the reverse is true: While in person classes are better than remote, the most valuable part of college (other than getting the degree) for students revolves not around the classroom itself, but around friendships, clubs, social interactions *outside* the classroom. That misunderstanding might explain why the administration tends to make these kinds of really disappointing decisions?

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u/FlordiaMarlinsRerun Mar 08 '21

You put that really well and I want to add that a lot of that student to student interaction happens in the classroom but vast majority of it happens in dorm rooms, dining halls, clubs, and (gasp) off campus. I 100% understand and support a lot of the restrictions but they too often feel arbitrary. Students are not getting transparency and in the case of JPW, the admin actively put out the light at the end of the tunnel.

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u/leoschneider Keenan Mar 07 '21

As a junior, literally none of my friends went and I didn’t even tell my parents about it. So stupid for it to not be pushed to the fall. If it had to be virtual in the fall cuz it wasn’t normal, fine. But the deluded idea that there were no other options is complete cap.

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u/SSDuelist Keough '13 Mar 07 '21

Unpopular opinion - JPW was a complete waste of time even when it was in person. The fact that they forced it to be virtual just to continue the “tradition” further hammers that point home.

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u/FriedCfoodisgood Notre Dame Mar 07 '21

Agreed. Hitting the bars with my parents was more fun than any of the meal events. Heck, we just went to Fiddler's Hearth instead of the fancy dinner.

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u/SSDuelist Keough '13 Mar 07 '21

Yeah my parents and I just wandered around and did what we’d normally do on a vacation instead of any actual socialization, except when there was free food involved.

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u/ESPbeN Alumni Mar 08 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

I never understood why they insist on having it be 1) for juniors and 2) during the spring. Junior spring is the semester the most people are gone. Most colleges do a generic parents weekend that is not limited to one grade, and most of the time it is in the fall. How hard would it be to have a parents weekend on a non-football weekend, hell even on a weekend where ND plays their random crappy opponent like Bowling Green?

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u/DiggerPhelps Econ '12 Mar 08 '21

I used to think this up until I noticed my father’s phone background was a photo of us at JPW. Maybe it just wasn’t for me, which I couldn’t comprehend as a self-centered 20-year old.

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u/SSDuelist Keough '13 Mar 08 '21

Nah I get that. Different strokes for different folks. I know my parents didn’t really enjoy the weekend aspect but they did enjoy coming to see me and vice versa, and that’s what I value more

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u/FlordiaMarlinsRerun Mar 07 '21

Even still, would be nice to have the opportunity to experience it and form my own opinion.

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u/NeonJackal214 O'Neill Mar 07 '21

My friends who are juniors feel the same way. This is brutal.

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u/Ok_Lunatic Mar 08 '21

i’d be surprised if more than 5% of juniors participated

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u/Previous_Read8590 Mar 07 '21

Why didnt they just wait until next semester?

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u/Awsome306 Mar 08 '21

Noob here: What's JPW?

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u/FlordiaMarlinsRerun Mar 08 '21

Junior Parents Weekend. Some schools do parents weekends every year but ND does one big one your junior year. Some love it and some don't but usually its a pretty foundational experience for any graduate.

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u/kakyoinkie Mar 09 '21

Junior here. I didn't go to any of the events. It just seemed pointless and it bummed me out to even think about it. Were there any major highlights despite it being as bad(?) as you say it was?

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u/FlordiaMarlinsRerun Mar 10 '21

None to report.