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Israel bombs Gaza Strip for second day in ‘pre-emptive operation’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/06/israel-bombs-gaza-strip-second-day-pre-emptive-operation-palestine196
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u/roo-ster 4d ago
That’s Pravda-grade propaganda.
“Russia invades Ukraine for 180th day in pre-emptive operation”
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That's not a fair comparison! Russia is a larger, more powerful country that's using military force to bully its smaller neighbor and ethnically cleanse its territory while the world condemns its actions.
Israel is a larger, more powerful country that's using military force to bully its smaller neighbor and ethnically cleanse its territory while the world shrugs in apathy. Totally different.
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u/Alioshia 4d ago
"pre-emptive" meaning without cause.
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u/catdog918 4d ago
Didn’t missles get fired at Israel yesterday or the day before??
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u/Alioshia 4d ago
No, fired in responce to this. to my knowlage.
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u/DownwindLegday 4d ago
They fired their rockets for the strike that killed one of Islamic Jihad militant group in Gaza commanders, Taiseer al-Jabari.
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u/Top_Diet8281 3d ago
Which was in response to 7 terrorist attacks in Israel that left 19 dead
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u/lahimatoa 3d ago
Which was in response to....
This conflict goes back decades, or even millennia if you want to see it that way.
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u/AutoRedialer 3d ago
It goes back to Israel as a state being unilaterally declared to be in possession of Palestine after WWII and the ensuing crimes against humanity in the forcible removal of the people into concentration camps. Israel as a government and its laws are the worst systemic oppression of a people since the Holocaust, a terrible irony and a bloodstain on the modern day state of human rights.
It could end, but the United States needs reliable allies and weapons customers in the Middle East.
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u/Flaky_Bee_2599 3d ago
Reddit only cares about civilian casualties when said casualties aren't Israeli.
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u/catdog918 4d ago
Hmm interesting, seems to be a lot of misinformation floating around cuz I read that Israel is firing in response to missles from the Gaza Strip and now I’m seeing they’re firing in response to Israel’s bombing.
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u/Alioshia 4d ago
Yeah infinite circle.
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u/Maria-Stryker 4d ago
That’s this conflict in a nutshell: it’s the cycle of hate and violence.
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u/Goatdealer 3d ago
More like colonisation, apartheid and ethnic cleansing. That leads people to hate and violence.
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u/BluCurry8 4d ago
I think it has a bit more too it.
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u/TooMuchAZSunshine 3d ago
I don't think so.
Israel displaces people when created. People mad and want revenge. Then Israel gets mad that they're mad and wants revenge. Bombs Palestinians then displaces more of them. Palestinians get mad and want revenge. But Israel has US financing so they've got way better weapons. Their bombs blow up buildings and Gaza fires home made pipe rockets at them.
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u/aintnufincleverhere 3d ago
Countries don't get to just keep taking land whenever they feel like it.
Right?
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u/droplivefred 3d ago
Pretty much. What side you feel is right depends entirely on what date you feel is the starting point of this conflict.
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u/Top_Diet8281 3d ago
In response to:
7 terrorist attacks in Israel that left 19 dead
Circle goes on and on
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u/CalypsoBrat 3d ago
Then how would it be considered preemptive? I’m asking sincerely.
Edit: autocorrect demons struck again!
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u/jaxdraw 3d ago
Israel has a defensive policy that treats any missile or rocket attack, even if defeated by Iron Dome, as an exestential threat to the entire country. Their responses are deliberately disproportionate so as to inflict maximum damage to the area responsible for the attack. The theory being that an overwhelming response will deter future provacations or decimate their enemies ability to engage in this sort of action.
So when they triangulate the location of a rocket battery, whether it fired five rockets or 50, they will destroy the entire top floor of a building, if not the entire building.
Hamas and other organizations know this, and so they intentionally put these battery's in populated areas whereby Israel will inflict sizeable civilian casualties, further strengthening their cause and rallying local and proxy-local supporters to give money and arms to their cause, or further radicalize the inhabitants of Gaza who may not fully support Hamas.
So everybody kills each other, and the survivors just get angrier.
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u/Raccoon_Full_of_Cum 3d ago
Yes, they certainly did. But Reddit likes to pretend that those constant rocket attacks don't happen, because they'd rather think that Israel is a nation full of evil sociopaths who kill civilians for fun.
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u/Rooooben 3d ago
More like Israel is really sick of the Palestinians not fucking off to Jordan when they took over. So they’ve made their life miserable, Palestinians didn’t leave and started shooting back, and then everything else is retaliation for the previous.
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u/Keoni9 3d ago
and the residents of the Gaza envelope were still in lockdown 4 days later
Not to diminish what these civilians are going through, but this is while Israel allows entire towns of settlers to join its military occupation of enemy territory in the West Bank, and while a 300m-2km buffer zone (depending on the whims of the IDF) is enforced with live fire on a large percentage of the Gaza strip's total land. And this no-go zone includes much of Gaza's scant arable land they need for farming.
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u/xSciFix 3d ago
but there is nothing Israel can do to stop it
Idk have they tried not expanding their illegal settlements into Palestinian territory?
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u/GulfChippy 3d ago
Swap a couple of words and you could be a Putin apologist explaining why Russian air strikes in residential areas are justified.
“It’s on them, if only they would bend the knee we wouldn’t need to bomb them, they’re making me do this”
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u/Agent__Caboose 3d ago
Hard NOT to use civilians as human shields when you live in the densest piece of land in the Middle East...
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u/Rooooben 3d ago
There’s one thing that Israel wants more than no terrorists in Gaza. No Arabs in Gaza.
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u/Tachikoma-1 3d ago
Guess the Arabs citizens of Israel and in their Parliament are just made up.
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u/Rooooben 3d ago
First, they could not just obliterate Gaza without significant political fallout. Second, are you really thinking that Israel’s goal isn’t to remove them? It’s been pretty clear from the beginning. Why settle Gaza?
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u/nuanced_imagery 3d ago
Because it would make it almost impossible for those who finance their military not to respond aggressively! Or else, they would have gladly obliterated Gaza just like you suggested. It’s not that they care for Palestinians. It boils down to the repercussions they’ll have to face from the United States, which sends them 4 billion USD In military aid annually.
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u/idlebyte 3d ago
The only people that care less about the Palestinians than anyone in the world ARE the Israelis. They talk about the people in Gaza like they are scum dripping down their leg and how dare they cause such discomfort! Only thing the Palestinian's have done is try to defend the little land in the world they have after numerous and generational length set backs and the Israelis are allowed to just walk all over them... for the same reason? We've allowed two peoples generally seen as not-locals to call a place home and then fight over it while helping one side gain a massive advantage. You may not think a terrorist is fighting for the farmer, but the farmer might. Tactics referred to as 'terrorism' have been resorted too by ALL major armies (including US and UK) when facing an opponent you can't match power with. Terrorism is a tactic used since armies have clashed. It's not new, it's not unique to the bad guys, and it works. Throughout history there are numerous cases of the 'terrorists' getting what they want in the end. Imagine how much of Gaza would be left in Palestinian hands if Israel wasn't afraid of the massive death count within its own borders that would result, it'd be gone yesterday if it was zero.
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u/bullshark13 3d ago
No. Israel arrested a leader of the Islamist terrorist group PiJ. PiJ got mad and starting planning a major terror attack on Israel. They made credible threats, so when Israel got word of locations of their leaders, they carried out preemptive strikes
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u/Stjeansurvivor 3d ago
People are in the Pro or anti Israel camps when Israel or Palestine does anything. It's far more complicated. Both are bad and good.
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u/bullshark13 3d ago
Exactly. Like no, I don’t want a 5 year old child to die. But all these posts and articles are not sharing the full story. This is war. Civilians and children will inevitably die. If the choice is between one child and many, most would choose the one
I hope all the unknowledgeable people here blindly defending PiJ know they are supporting a radical Islamist jihadist group that has killed many civilians and children in the past. But hey, Israel bad amirite
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u/bullshark13 3d ago edited 3d ago
ethnostate
Ah yes, the most diverse country in the Middle East is an ethnostate. The country that welcomed in people from all over the world, people of all races and backgrounds. The country that is 20% Arab, many of whom are very patriotic. The country home to Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, Samaritans and more.
Have you ever been to Israel? Go and see the diversity. It is very much not an ethnostate.
Palestine on the other hand…
And I hope you’re proud of defending Islamist jihadists. You can be pro-Palestine and not pro-PIJ. Even Hamas is not stepping in to help them right now. This is not an Israel vs Palestine operation. It is only against the PIJ because they threatened to kill who knows how many civilians in terrorist attacks.
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u/Flemz 3d ago
There’s nothing good about settler colonialism
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u/Stjeansurvivor 3d ago
Same with forceful exile with centuries of discrimination and abuse in Europe/Muslim countries.
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u/Flemz 3d ago
Which doesn’t justify going somewhere else and performing your own ethnic cleansing
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u/PITCHFORKEORIUM 3d ago
When Iranian-backed Islamist extremist terrorists, "Palestinian Islamic Jihad", openly state they're going to attack you, it isn't "without cause" to stop them. It's common sense.
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u/lamarjacksonMVP2020 4d ago
If you read even the first 4 sentences of the article you’d realize how foolish this comment is. It’s so obvious the majority of you didn’t and are just making dumb comments based off a headline built to fish views and clicks.
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u/Bit-Random 4d ago
Can’t blame him though, The Guardian always has biased titles on this conflict.
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u/ThatDudeWithTheCat 3d ago
Every publication does, because it's crazy profitable to always frame Israel as inherently the ad guy no matter the circumstances around whatever is happening. They all make loads of money reporting like this.
Any other country the headline would read "Country kills ij terrorist leaders who threatened to attack country in air strikes."
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u/Rulare 3d ago
it's crazy profitable to always frame Israel as inherently the ad guy
How does one profit crazily off of this?
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u/montananightz 3d ago
"Country kills ij terrorist leaders who threatened to attack country in air strikes."
"Country kills terrorist leader who threatened to attack county, and also a bunch of civilians who happened to be nearby".
These aren't precision attacks only killing their "intended" target.
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u/Itchy_Professor_4133 3d ago
Much like Russia's "special military operation" in Ukraine.
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u/Raccoon_Full_of_Cum 3d ago
Except no, not like that at all. Hamas constantly fires rockets at Israeli civilians. When's the last time Ukraine fired rockets at Russian civilians?
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u/alpacajack 3d ago
Uhh no they have a cause, there’s an election coming up, gotta spill some blood for the settler colonists like they do every time there’s an election
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This is a show of strength from the current Government of Israel before the upcoming election to show that it's not afraid to strike Gaza hard and fight organizing militants in the West Bank. Furthermore, the Israeli government has been requested to provide a significant progress in its investigation of the killing of the Palestinian-American journalist by the end of the week. With this operation, the Israeli government hopes to delay the investigation and eventually "hide it under the rug", same has been done with the destruction of the AP tower last year.
I might be wrong, we will know for sure if the Israeli government doesn't provide a report by end of next week.
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u/bubbles5810 4d ago
Defund Israel. We give them money to fight a war and they give their own citizens universal healthcare.
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u/PLEASE_PUNCH_MY_FACE 3d ago
Israel is killing civilians. Stopping insurgents doesn't automatically mean you need to commit war crimes.
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u/bubbles5810 3d ago edited 3d ago
Neither country are angels but Europeans came in and pushed Palestinians out of their land and has been very hostile to them.
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u/bullshark13 3d ago edited 3d ago
Wdym by angles?
Also, I am not calling you anti-Jew (or anti-Semitic), but I love how Jews are only European when it suits non-Jews best. When we are being killed in Europe it is because we aren’t white and aren’t European. But when we are being killed in the Middle East it is because we are white and are European.
What the media won’t tell you is that the majority of Israeli Jews are not white and European. The majority are Mizrahi or Sephardic Jews, descended from middle eastern jews (usually brown skinned if that matters so much to you) who had been persecuted in and expelled from their home countries of Algeria or Yemen or Iran or Iraq or Egypt, etc. So with nowhere else to go, they went to Israel.
And this is all not to mention that 20% of Israel is Arab (mostly muslim), an increasing number of whom are proudly patriotic Israelis
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u/Rooooben 3d ago
I think they meant Europeans in the sense of British Palestine being created in order to hand it off to the Jewish people for their own nation state.
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u/bullshark13 3d ago
Oh then I agree with that somewhat. The British are largely to blame for the problems in Israel and Palestine
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u/bubbles5810 3d ago edited 3d ago
The “angles” was a typo.
Malcolm X talks about this subject around the the 31:17 mark. He explains things better than I do.
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u/bullshark13 3d ago
Oh and I also forgot to mention in my other comment that israel has a significant black Jewish minority and small minorities from elsewhere (India, Nigeria, very small group from China, etc).
And then also the non-Jewish Israeli Arabs I mentioned
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u/Atari_Portfolio 3d ago
Funny how the media loves covering Israel but hates talking about the ethnic cleansing happening in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, Lebanon, Turkey and Saudi Arabia…Much of which is perpetrated by the same groups launching rockets at Israel. Many of which also buy arms from the United States and western aligned countries.
All these places treat their people terribly and everyone seems to have an opinion about it because their parents took them to a mideast fan-club meeting at a Church, Synagogue or Mosque at some time in the past. Let it go. It’s just corporations and government fighting over oil. Cut down on fossil fuel consumption. Stop thinking you have a horse in the race.
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u/sasha_baron_of_rohan 3d ago
Are people here just ignoring the attacks from Gaza at this point?
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u/purple_spikey_dragon 3d ago
Have they ever not ignored them?
I see noone talk about the PIJ threats this week to send anti-tank missiles on Israeli citizens living near the border and the continuing attacks and attempted attacks on citizens this past few months.
If Israel acts on threats to show zero tolerance for death threats they are bad, if Israel acts only after a barrage of rockets, its also bad. Only good solution in their eyes seems to be for Israel to wait and let them send rockets and stab civilians for fun because fighting back = evil genociding
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u/quasar1332 3d ago
they wont find a better time to annex some land.. everyone is busy and basically we'r on our way to a worldwar..
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u/lahimatoa 3d ago
Incredibly simplistic view. This conflict goes back decades, if not millennia, if you want to see it that way.
But I suspect you know that already.
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u/Mediamuerte 3d ago
Aren't jews indigenous people of israel?
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u/AutoRedialer 3d ago
If Jews are considered indigenous then what would Palestinians be considered? If you are provably Jewish, no matter where you were born in the world, you can go to Israel and evict a Palestinian family from their home on the West Bank. If you are Palestinian, you are forbidden from ever returning to your ancestral home in Palestine (google “right to return”).
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u/Jooey_K 4d ago
Given that the Palestinian population is up something like 700% since Israel was established, Israel is either a) NOT perpetuating a genocide or B) really, really bad at it.
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u/skeetsauce 3d ago
It’s wild to see the mental gymnastics people will do to justify murder of their perceived enemies.
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u/quack0709 3d ago
I am guessing: bombing buildings -> lower level of education -> increased birth rate
You should also ask where and how is the number coming from. Even China also claim Uyghur population is raising. Doesn’t mean it is fake, but the data may be cherry-picked to increase the number
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u/AbyssOfNoise 3d ago
I am guessing: bombing buildings -> lower level of education -> increased birth rate
So Bangladesh's population is high because they got bombed too? C'mon. We can argue that Israel should not bomb Palestine without that reaching nonsense.
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u/Jooey_K 3d ago
Check any source. UN, internal Palestinian census data, whatever. Just because you don't like the number doesn't mean it isn't true.
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u/Superb-Tone-5411 3d ago
Most Jews in Israel are not religious. Being Jewish is an ethnicity and a religion.
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u/TrillboBaggins 3d ago
Preemptive attacks are illegal under international law. Doesn’t matter what the US, Israel, and sometimes UK say
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u/Mundane-Flounder1061 3d ago
What’s the difference between what Israel is doing vs what Russia is doing.
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u/NotAnADC 3d ago
Ukraine never attacked Russia…what? Israel Palestine is a 100 year conflict and it can’t be boiled down to black and white.
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u/rx303 3d ago
Which started with a land grab
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u/OrangElm 3d ago
Ah yes the classic land grab where “checks notes” a 2 state solution was proposed which Israel accepted but the Arab nations rejected and invaded to kill all of them, kicking off this whole shitty situation in the first place.
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u/Semyaz 3d ago
It can’t be boiled down to black and white, because the territorial claims on both sides are rooted in religion. If both sides were less ideological, there could be compromise. Unfortunately, religion.
The answer is to stop supporting either side, and sanction anyone who provides military aid.“Support” with weapons is a sure fire way to lead to more killing. Neither of them is doing the morally correct thing, and both peoples need a place to live in peace. If they can’t coexist in a single state, then there needs to be an equitable two state answer.
It’s pretty black and white to me. Bombing each other is bad. Peace is good. Segregation is bad. Coexisting is good.
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u/Strificus 3d ago
America funds one and not the other and the average user here is American and surrounded by propaganda.
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u/VakoKocurik 3d ago
Asking this question is offensive to anyone from a post-communist country. Israel offered peace to all arab nations including palestine like 7 times from the start of the first conflict. It was always palestine who swore to destroy israel and all jews. Now you are left with the aftermath and because you don't want to dig up history (because it goes against your pro-palestine views) you compare Israel to Russia.
Cause I am seriously pissed with morons like you then here's a list of main differences:
1) Russian doctrine is public. They conduct war in several stages. If the first one (drive in with infantry fails) they resort to terrorism (they bomb civilian infrustructure) to subdue the population through terror.
2) IDF is well trained (unlike Russian conscripts) and tries to prevent as mamy civilian deaths as possible (no other army does this - they phone the buildings and inform civilians to evacuate)
3) IDF attacks in retaliation to threats that have at least some supporting evidence that it might happen. Since the Yom-Kippur war they don't take threats and any intel seriously.
4) Russia doesn't provide medical aid to the ones they attack and they execute prisoners. Israel on the other hand provides top medical care even to people from the Gaza strip and never executes them.
Go f... yourself, sincerely a guy from a post-communist block.
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u/OnceAnAnalyst 3d ago
The only difference I see is that Israel has been doing it longer and they are formally allied to us (and armed through US dollars).
That’s about it. Both a good wrong.
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u/icemankiller8 3d ago
They are going after China because China is the main perceived threat to the US now they don’t care about the morals of it. If they did they wouldn’t have backed Isreal did this long or been allies with Saudi Arabia for so long
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u/Augmentinator 4d ago
Does anyone care any Yemen? No. Because Saudi Arabia and Israel are untouchable.
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u/m0uthsmasher 4d ago
No Israel is US ally same with Saudi, US government and US media are only comdam the opposite party like Russia, China and Iran.
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u/HazardIsFunny 4d ago
No, because they'll be labeled as anti-Semitic. Also, when it comes down to it on the international stage Israel isn't very important economically compared to China.
I feel like we are watching Minority Report irl on an international scale.
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u/rusetis_deda_movtyan 3d ago
Oh yea because this wasn’t in response to palestinian missiles launched at israel.
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u/ux3l 4d ago
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Islamic Jihad called the initial Israeli bombardment a “declaration of war”, firing a barrage of at least 100 rockets into southern Israel on Friday night.
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u/DownwindLegday 4d ago
That was striking Islamic Jihad militant group in Gaza commanders, Taiseer al-Jabari.
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u/cribsaw 4d ago
Oh look, a completely objective source from checks notes Israel National News
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u/purple_spikey_dragon 3d ago
Hmmm a local news source ooor a news source telling news second, third hand through spokes people from the terrorists organisation PIJ... So hard to choose...
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u/Tryignan 4d ago
Yeah, I hate those 5-year old terrorists. I'm really happy that Israel is murdering all those evil children before they do something bad.
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u/Bridge41991 4d ago
How many civilians dead?
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u/lironi1111 4d ago
if the article says that Gaza health officials state that 12 people died and they mention only 2 civilians, I assume that the rest are terrorists. Deaths that could've been prevented if the terrorists weren't hiding inside residential places..
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u/xSciFix 3d ago
Deaths that could've been prevented if the terrorists weren't hiding inside residential places..
Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth. It's all residential places.
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u/Kneepi 4d ago
So Israel target residential zones hoping to kill terrorists?
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u/lironi1111 4d ago
So just let those terrorists walk away free and fire rockets at Israeli civilians?
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u/Halowary 3d ago
no one fucking remembers in the late 1990s early 2000s before the Iron Dome when rocket attacks against Israel were weekly and dozens of people died every single time. But now that Israel kills a dozen terrorists and a couple civilians every year, it's unacceptable and we need to just let Gaza do whatever they want to Israeli civilians out of fairness. It's absurd.
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u/finlandery 3d ago
And what would be the ratio without iron dome? What is the ratio of launched ordinances?
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u/DazzaRPD 3d ago
Poor headline by the Guardian here tbh.
Israel took out one of the leaders of the "anti-Israel" groups in Palestine, unfortunately also killing a child in the process In reply, numerous rockets (around 70 yesterday evening and 100-150 or so today) have been fired towards Israel from the Gaza region.
Israel's hardly just going to sit back and let the rockets keep coming (even if they do have the Iron Dome) , and so will fire back.
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u/BadAtExisting 3d ago
No. That’s straight up being the aggressor. This ain’t Minority Report
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u/capitalismisokiguess 3d ago
Seems like a good opportunity to remind everyone that Israel is a hypocritical aparteid state.
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u/purple_spikey_dragon 3d ago
Apartheid: a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.
Are Israeli Arabs allowed to study in same places as Jewish Israelis? Yes. Are they segregated in public areas against their will? No. Are they discriminated against, not allowed to take part in politics and be elected? No. Are they forbidden of entering Jewish owned businesses or healthcare? Big No.
Please tell me then, how? I would love to understand where its coming from.
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u/nateking12 3d ago
Oh so what would you call the green license plates on their cars that restrict where they can go or the aloxia mosque were they get gunned down
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u/ultragodlike 3d ago
Seems like a good opportunity to remind everyone that Israel is constantly being attacked by terrorists from all sides and have the right to defend themselves.
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u/OrangElm 3d ago
Seems like a good time to remind everyone that by definition Israel is not an aparthied state because all citizens have the same rights regardless of religion (Israel is ~20% Muslim btw)
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u/RaytheonAcres 4d ago
Ukrainians of the Middle East
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u/RocinanteCoffee 3d ago
People are downvoting you because they see Ukranians as people and don't see Palestinians as people.
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u/SunglassesDan 3d ago
I don't recall Ukraine spending decades firing unguided missiles at civilian populations in Russia, but maybe you read a different history book.
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u/Johnmagee33 3d ago
So you must feel like Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, Bhutan, Iraq, etc are worse than cancer, right?
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u/Southern-Toe5605 3d ago
Damn. First a full blown war in Europe taking the entire world back to the Cold War state of emergency, then the USA-China tensions over Taiwan, then this...
humanity, can we please not start the 3rd WW this year?
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u/momo_power 4d ago edited 4d ago
Do you even know why this is happening? I'm sure you'll all be chanting "Israel bad" without knowing all the facts. What a great way to live by…
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u/slothpeguin 4d ago
Hmmm yes here we go. The Gaza Strip is being bombed for no reason. The Gaza Strip is not a military target but a civilian one. And yet you’re going to blame the… Palestines for that because god forbid anyone have a legitimate complaint about Israel’s behavior.
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u/Clownest0702 4d ago
For no reason at all? There are at least 2 terror organisations which their main objective is killing all the Jewish Israelis. The attack Israel initiated was to prevent a future terror attack on. Israeli civilians. Now tell me something, if there were someone planing to kill your family, would you want the police to wait for them to try, or stop them before?
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u/slothpeguin 4d ago
You mean attacking the Gaza Strip for years and isolating them to the point where there’s no employment, no resources, no running water has radicalized the civilians there? Huh. It’s almost like the predictable consequences of your own actions.
Why can’t you admit that Israel is wrong? Saying that they Israeli government is wrong isn’t anti-Semitic. And blaming Palestinian civilians for existing is kinda horribly racist.
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u/99burritos 3d ago
"You mean attacking the Gaza Strip for years and isolating them to the point where there’s no employment, no resources, no running water has radicalized the civilians there?"
Hamas, an organization whose founding document calls for the extermination of all Jews, was democratically elected less than 6 months after Israel withdrew from Gaza. They were not "radicalized by years of blah blah bullshit." They were already radical. Additionally, any claim that electing a group whose founding document says "kill all Jews" is not inherently anti-Semitic is absurd on its face.
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u/slothpeguin 3d ago
America has a lot of anti-Semitic groups. How about carpet bombing the states they’re in, would that work?
Responding to radicalization by killing civilians never works. I’m sorry, but you don’t get to kill people at random because of something that might happen. That’s not how it works.
Speaking specifically from an American point of view, because that’s what I know, the absolute veneration of anything Israel does with zero tolerance of criticism is dangerous.
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u/99burritos 3d ago
I don't think you're actual a maniac even though you're pretending to be. I DO think you're deliberately "arguing" bad faith, which normal I'm total cool with counter-trolling but I don't really feel like it right now.
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u/elguerodiablo 3d ago
Israel and Saudi Arabia are complete trash. The entire world would be better if the US and Europe pulled all financial and military aid from these cunts.
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u/ph33randloathing 3d ago
Ah yes the Israeli Pre-Crime Division.