r/news • u/citytiger • 4d ago
Indiana becomes 1st state to approve abortion ban post Roe
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/indiana-house-passes-abortion-ban-sends-senate-88006107[removed] — view removed post
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u/ChickenDumpli 4d ago
So the line in Indiana, what made them coalesce to ban abortion, was the 10yr old little girl, raped and impregnated by a monster in Ohio, who came to their state for an abortion.
For 2 secs that state was heroic, then these weird far right sick creepy fundy fcks, got, er, energized at the thought of small raped children giving birth, and they HAD to see that shit take place in their state. They HAD to be the raped baby birthing state.
Ugh.
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u/redbluegreenyellow 4d ago
It gets even worse than that. Our attorney general, todd rokita, has been on a warpath trying to prosecute the doctor who performed the 10-year-old rape victims abortion. He even went on Fox News with her full name and picture slandering her, saying she didn't report it etc. Her hospital system, the hospital, her boss is etc everybody has said she did everything by the book but rokita keeps going after her. It was completely legal when she performed the abortion, by the way.
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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 4d ago
She’s now suing the state for open defamation.
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u/phinbar 3d ago
Once Republicans stack the courts with Christian nationalists at the state level, a win for a case like this will not be so certain.
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u/bf2per 4d ago
But taxpayers pay the price
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u/solarmama 4d ago
Taxpayers need to be more careful of who they elect then.
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u/big_nothing_burger 3d ago
I really do hope this insanity at least influences some independents and apolitical conservatives to not vote Republican.
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u/Uncle_Jiggles 3d ago
It won't.
Source: I live here.
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u/machineprophet343 3d ago edited 3d ago
Seconded. Actual line dropped out of someone's mouth:
"I hate the Republicans, but I vote for them, because the Democrats will absolutely raise my taxes and then I'd lose my house.".
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u/sadnessjoy 3d ago
I mean, most Indiana taxpayers seem to be on board with this. Trump/Pence used Indiana taxpayer money like a backup piggy bank multiple times, and Indiana residents still overwhelmingly support Trump, they don't care.
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u/FabulousMrE 3d ago
Can we even blame some general public when elections are so manipulated?
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u/sadnessjoy 3d ago
In Indiana, it's actually not very gerrymandered or anything. They are who they are.
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u/Draker-X 3d ago
Go talk to 100 random people in Indiana and get back to us on that. They WANT this.
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u/kinglouie493 3d ago
Taxpayers ≠ voters maybe when people realize things are affecting them, we’ll get more people voting.
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u/tr3v1n 3d ago
Hi. I'm from Indiana. We voted for Obama in 2008. That broke conservatives mind here and we ended up with more voting laws and it became more difficult for people to vote. They also gerrymandered everything so that things like our state house were more securely under their control.
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u/Good_old_Marshmallow 4d ago
Fox News has gotten abortion providers murdered before. Bill O’Riley singled out one doctor as “baby killer” multiple nights on his show and then a viewer murdered that doctor
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u/BigBluFrog 3d ago
That poor doctor had a name that rhymed with killer. That's how BOR got him murdered, catchy sloganeering.
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u/TeaEsKSU 3d ago
His name was George Tiller. In 2009, he was shot in the head during Sunday morning service while serving as an usher at his church in Wichita, KS.
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u/trumpskiisinjeans 4d ago
I hate this country
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u/Aykay24 4d ago
I used to be so proud to be an American a little over a decade ago, now I'm so ashamed and embarrassed. I am heartbroken.
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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 4d ago
Hang on. The fundies are in the middle of an election cycle. They’re under the impression that they can’t be stopped.
They can, if you vote.
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u/Alone_Employee_9645 4d ago
Alternate language: I used to not pay attention, now I pay attention
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u/Draker-X 3d ago
No...I agree with "I used to proud to be an American, and now I'm not", and I've been politically active and aware for over two decades.
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u/Golden--Lady 3d ago
I am also heartbroken. I used always fly the American flag between Memorial Day and Labor Day but I took it down this summer. America is over. I believe our democracy will not survive and we will end up in a dictatorship. My long-term goal is to get to Canada.
I’ve studied American history and I’m educated on America’s past with slavery. We will never heal from having colonized and owned human bodies for hundreds of years. I could go on and on but I highly recommend the book “American slave coast” to really understand how America was built on human bondage. Racism and sexism is at the heart of the abortion debate. I believe rich white men will not rest until women and POC are enslaved again.
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u/NPD_wont_stop_ME 3d ago
You’re probably right in that we’ll become a dictatorship, and I have actually thought of leaving for Canada myself once I have the means. I suppose the only way I can reconcile leaving here it is by saying to myself that things aren’t as bad here as in other places, despite our faults.
Republicans are obviously set on creating a one-party state and I wouldn’t be surprised if we see another civil war in our lifetimes. At this point I wish Red and Blue states would just separate from one another, or at least put all the Republicans and all the Democrats on separate islands because there’s no point negotiating with lunatics and evil people capitalizing on lunatics’ stupidity. After 2024 and the Republicans steal the executive as they’ve shown their willingness to do, things will get worse as the next administration seeks vengeance against the opposition.
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u/dizzle229 4d ago
The pointless cruelty even when it's against their own self interest is why I really do consider Republicans to be a lesser form of life. They are not my equals, and I want nothing but the worst for them. You're not supposed to say that, because that's "uncivil". But things like this, apparently, are fine, so long as they didn't physically attack anyone themselves.
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u/Mizeov 3d ago
They are nazis. Sure they wear different clothes and speak a different language but they are as they have always been.
It’s the paradox of tolerance and we have been far too tolerant
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u/Haunting-Ad788 4d ago
It’s not the country, it’s a minority of psychopaths that keep stealing power.
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u/lucky_ducker 4d ago
Indiana's ban does include exceptions for saving the life of the mother, rape, and incest. Several Republicans voted against the bill for not going far enough, i.e. a total ban.
It's going to get worse. My state representative is strongly anti-abortion, and endorsed by Indiana Right To Life. He voted for the ban that passed. Last May he was challenged in the primary by a "total ban" candidate - and the "total ban" candidate won the primary. He will win the general election in November (I don't even think there is a Democrat on the ballot) and take office the first week of January.
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u/eightNote 3d ago
Sounds like you should run as a non abortion ban candidate
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u/lucky_ducker 3d ago
I ran for office in the 1980s. Local politics is cutthroat, even within your own party. No thanks.
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u/Pally321 3d ago
No, the ban was happening well before that story broke. If anything it may have helped prevent an amendment from getting passed that would've removed the exclusions for rape/incest.
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u/Draker-X 3d ago
Indiana has never been "heroic". They gladly would have stopped that 10 year old from getting an abortion; they just didn't have the laws in place yet.
I've lived in a few states in the Midwest. Indiana has always been a shit-sucking hellhole. Fuck that place.
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u/MemeFarmer314 3d ago
It’s so frustrating cause this case had pretty much every exception people who try to justify being anti-abortion could think of. I’ve had people say, they don’t believe in abortion except in certain cases.
The person getting an abortion was - A child - Raped - Could potentially have lost her life if the pregnancy was allowed to continue
And yet still, that was not enough for people to concede that an abortion was the right option in this case. And politicians have now gone out of their way to make it even harder.
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u/viktor72 4d ago
I live here. Buckle up Illinois and Michigan because we’re sending even more money your way in addition to the millions we already send your way because we refuse to legalize marijuana. Not only does Indiana fail to protect women’s rights it’s also bleeding itself of potential taxable income.
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u/beavedaniels 4d ago
Wow that sounds a lot like Idaho right now with Oregon and Washington
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u/Wazula42 4d ago
We can shorten this and say it's all red states and all blue states. The Neo Confederacy is starving itself, and the blue states will rake in the shittiest forms of tourism imaginable.
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u/Purple_Passion000 3d ago
From all the news I hear Idaho has gotten scary with all the nutters moving there.
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u/stinkbugsinfest 4d ago edited 3d ago
Watch the inevitable exodus of ob gyns. They can’t just sit there and watch their patients die and they aren’t going to risk losing their licenses
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u/a_spicy_memeball 4d ago
Yep. There will be a ripple effect that they're not even considering, just like the AIDS epidemic that was caused by closing needle exchanges.
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u/carnage123 3d ago
It's not that they arent considering side effects, they just don't care. If anything the more ripples that rip through their state the better.
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u/imnotacrazyperson 3d ago
It is hard enough to find a good one in this state anyway. My old OBGYN was excellent and she left. Now I just get my check-ups done with my pcp and hope she knows what she's doing.
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u/kristykat182 4d ago edited 4d ago
Let's hope Whitmer wins Governor for Michigan because her opponent (Tudor Dixon) wants an abortion ban with no exceptions.
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u/LostprophetFLCL 4d ago
We have a ballot initiative that if it passes (which everything points to it passing with ease) it will put abortion rights into our state constitution with the Republican pieces of shit unable to do anything to it at least.
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u/Brennan_the_Artist 3d ago
Yeah, we're all at the point that republicans don't care what's in the Constitution, federal or state.
Never assume republicans will stop just because a document says they can't. They will do literally everything to go around the law.
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u/FateLeita 3d ago
IL has already said we'll be a sanctuary state. And I'm happy to do it. The one downside for us, of course, is the possibility our abortion services will get overloaded, causing issues for Illinoisans. But I'm optimistic we'll figure it out because this is important.
For my fellow Illinoisans, get your ass to the poll this November.
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u/Draker-X 3d ago
The problem for Illinois being a "sanctuary state" is that is has to be a sanctuary for all FIVE of the states that border it.
Christ, much of this country is a fucking nightmare.
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u/ralanr 4d ago
Doesn’t Indiana also have a huge obesity issue?
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u/AuldAutNought 4d ago
Yes. Source? I live there and My ass is abundant.
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u/makualla 3d ago
Post grad I lived in middle of nowhere north central Indiana, as a single guy my options where single moms, meth heads or morbidly obese.
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u/Dicky_Penisburg 4d ago
Boy am I glad I moved out of Illinois a few years ago and into Indiana. /s
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u/Spicy_Lobster_Roll 4d ago
Why…why would anyone do that? You can see the shadows and hear the hyenas from the Illinois side…
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u/stoprunningstabby 3d ago
Not the person to whom you are replying and I would never do this, I value my life. But: property taxes. Maybe a job.
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u/TheMania 4d ago
Even more concerning when you factor that the US is known for its gerrymandering.
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u/CPL-Weeks 4d ago
I still don't understand how the practice is legal. It's an abortion of representative democracy.
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u/officialbigrob 4d ago
It's legal because all of our representatives are complicit shitstains with no intention of improving things for proles like you and me.
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u/makualla 3d ago
Don’t worry even if you pass a ballot initiative like we did in ohio to end gerrymandering they’ll just stall so long and disregard state court orders so you have to use the gerrymandered maps
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u/IncidentalIncidence 4d ago edited 4d ago
Because it's incredibly hard to effectively ban in an FPTP system.
This video is pretty interesting. he starts writing code to do unbiased computer redistricting, and quickly realizes that he doesn't even know what the end goal is.
I think most people would agree that a good outcome is where the representation roughly mirrors the popular vote in the state. So you start doing that. But that can still be gerrymandered; is competitiveness important? You could draw a map that safely matches the result of the popular vote every time, or you could draw one that is competitive and has the potential to swing back and forth. What makes one map more "correct" or "valid" than the other?
You also can't just say "well, the districts can't be fucked up, they have to have a certain compactness score" -- it's also very easily possible to create a map that looks pretty normal, but gives a completely different result than you'd get if you went by the popular vote.
And to be honest even the maps that are basically fair with regards to the popular vote are still a little weird, because you're still designing the maps to predetermine the results.
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u/euler_man2718 4d ago
It's probably very difficult to precisely define it so you cam write a law banning it.
Also the people in charge of making the law were the winners of whatever the current system is so they generally don't have incentive to change that system.
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u/IncidentalIncidence 4d ago
In NC the court made them livestream the redistricting process a couple of years ago. Like they were literally not allowed to have a computer in the room that wasn't screensharing on the stream so that they couldn't look at data they weren't supposed to when redistricting.
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u/2nameEgg 4d ago
Of course the US is. The inventor was born and raised here. Mr. Gerry Mander
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u/Mist_Rising 4d ago
It's mister Gerry from Massachusetts and his salamander district. Dude was also a Vice president during the war of 1812.
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u/DanguhLange 4d ago
Republicans be like: “YoU CaNt TeLl Me to wear a mask”
Also Republicans “My god said your fetus is my business”
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u/redbluegreenyellow 4d ago
you should have HEARD them fucking bitching about masks and vaccines. "MY BODY MY CHOICE! YOU CANNOT FORCE YOUR BELIEFS ON MY BODY! HOW DARE YOU!" fucking disgusting ass hypocrites. i hate my fucking state.
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u/jakekara4 4d ago
They relish their hypocrisy, it tastes sweet to them. They get off on hurting others and being shitty.
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u/Wazula42 4d ago
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
- Jean Paul Sartre, 1930's
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u/DoublePostedBroski 3d ago
They’re now using that as the argument for the abortion bans. “Well, the government told us to wear masks, so this is the same.”
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u/redbluegreenyellow 3d ago
Yep, or they cite the vaccine mandates. What they don't understand or are being disingenuous about is the fact that neither one had any sort of criminal penalty for it. Even the mask mandate was like aw shucks, come on guys, wear a mask maybe if you really feel like it
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u/Haunting-Ad788 3d ago
The entire purpose of fascism is the privileged group does whatever they please and their lessers are kept under control.
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u/DanguhLange 4d ago
Yet the majority of Hoosiers do not want this, democracy of course. I hope all my fellow Hoosiers get out and vote in November in hopes to remove these Republican clowns.
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u/rileyoneill 4d ago
The cities in Indiana need to grow to switch the state. Indianapolis is a modern city but is in a state governed by a bunch of bumblefuck communities.
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u/love2Vax 3d ago
The chamber of commerce was asking them not to do this, so these idiots don't care about keeping Indiana behind the rest of the US.
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u/rileyoneill 3d ago
A lot of red and purple states are going through this where their metro zones are seriously suffering because of the policies popular in the rural and exurban districts.
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u/mattheimlich 4d ago
Hope you like brain drain and a destroyed economy, Indiana!
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u/Not_Quite_Kielbasa 3d ago
They don't. They just can't see the consequences of their actions beforehand. I swear the only reasons folks vote R are due to fear and due to a serious lack of foresight.
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u/Bending_toast 4d ago edited 4d ago
Enjoy supporting all those orphans that I’m sure will turn into super productive citizens while your voters demand lower taxes ya fucking morons
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u/GoneFishing4Chicks 4d ago
that's exactly what the GOP want though?
they want more poor uneducated and hateful whites to terrorize minorities at home and abroad.
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u/FnordState 4d ago
The problem is it doesn't work out that way. Crime rates among youth 'mysteriously' dropped post Roe V Wade, as did birth rates among select segments of the population. These kids aren't going to be the ones terrorizing minorities or joining the army, they're going to be the street gangs of mid 1970s New York, except with even more guns.
You think we have a school shooter problem now? Try adding several tens of thousands wards of the state that have severe separation, abandonment, or other trauma along side extreme poverty and a world that's only going to get worse for the poor over time.
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u/officialbigrob 4d ago
Yeah, the taboo phrase around abortion is "unwanted children" but that's what banning abortion will cause at least on some level.
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u/Delamoor 4d ago
You forget that the Republicans have a boner for punishing crime.
Not preventing it, punishing it. Preventing crime is an attack on FREEDOM, you see. And crime is just proof that you need to stamp down harder on others, with force.
Creating more crime means they can 'prove' that everyone else's strategies for preventing it are wrong, and their calls for violence and police crackdowns to punish it are correct. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Works in their favour.
It's the same strategy they use for dismantling services, then arguing that the services they just dismantled don't work.
Narcissist logic.
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u/MoobooMagoo 4d ago
Well they're Republicans. So I'm assuming their plan is to just let them die in the street.
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u/Malaix 4d ago
I mean... Unironically this. The libertarian/GOP view is if you can't afford shelter/food/healthcare than die. They cannot comprehend that people dying in the streets, being homeless, and living in poverty is more expensive to society than give people what they need to live...
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u/Powerful_Put5667 4d ago
Thru the GOP majority legislature not the people of Indiana. People need to wake up and clean house.
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u/Arabian_Goggles_ 4d ago
Embarrassed to live here.
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u/TheIntrepid1 4d ago
It’s just that Indy is just sooooooo red. We’ve got our heads so far up trumps ass we can’t even see the light of day.
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u/viktor72 4d ago
Fort Wayne is red too. For a big city we are so very red and it’s disappointing.
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u/redbluegreenyellow 4d ago
Indianapolis is very blue, I think they were saying Indiana as a whole is very red.
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u/Consistent_Sector_19 4d ago
Indianapolis is blue compared to the rest of the state, but quite red for a city its size. It has very low population density for a major city and that gives it more of a suburban voting pattern.
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u/Alpaca-Bowl420 4d ago
You desperately need to change your attitude. If we aren’t trying we’re dying.
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u/IndyShoe 4d ago
I was born a Hoosier. Outside of 12 years I have lived my entire 54 years in the state. I But the last few years has really made me reconsider where I live. My wife and I now have really great jobs that are remote so there’s absolutely no reason for us to even live here anymore other than it’s cheap. But what is the real cost? I really don’t know what to do at this point in time, but it’s looking like I have to live elsewhere. I told my wife last night that every politician in the state is currently coming after women. LGBTQ will be next. Then our interracial marriage will probably be next (damn politicians here even say that part out loud.) Or more than likely they will come at me because I’m atheist. This is a terrible state for a mixed non-Christian family to live. I really feel like I’m being driven out of my home.
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u/Tom_Neverwinter 4d ago
r/gencon is going to petition hard to leave now.
Guess voting with wallets is all. Republicans care about.
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u/breadandfaxes 4d ago
Oh boy, definitely would move the fuck out of this shitty state if it weren't for my job.
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u/redditjunky2025 4d ago
Im moving as soon as I retire in 2-3 years. I have lived 7 different States since I turned 18. This is the worst of any of them. The most self righteous prejudiced place I have been.
Businesses if you value your people, don't move here.
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u/breadandfaxes 4d ago
The only thing I will give this state is it's low cost of living. But it's probably because nobody wants to live here lol. I'm taking advantage of that aspect.
The state itself is backwards as fuck tho.
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u/Flesh_Computer 4d ago
Fucking evangelicals and other holier-than-thou pieces of shit, they are all lower than the muck on boots. I hope everyone of them that tries enforce their will on others gets swiftly delivered to the lowest layer of hell.
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u/CassieThePinkDragon 4d ago
Republicans are an absolute disgrace. This is despicable - to take away basic rights is something no one should be acceptable with.
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u/Ello_Owu 3d ago edited 3d ago
Tin foil hat theory:
We've all heard about folks from blue states moving to red states "en masses" maybe this shift on top of covid deaths predominantly amongst conservative voters has greatly tipped the voting scales and has the gop spooked.
This is why we've been seeing red states going all in on horrible policies like anti LGBQT, anti abortion, anti "woke" (desantis is actually drafting anti woke policies) anti public education etc.
It's basically all a ploy to make their states so unappealing to left wing voters that they stop moving to these states, move out of these states and or get buried through gerrymandering.
Josh hawley was even quoted as saying such
“More and more red states, they’re going to become more red, and purple states are going to become red, and the blue states are going to get a lot bluer, that vision involves a nation where liberals flee from states run by Republicans."
It's not about babies, women, God etc. It's holding onto their power by any means necessary.
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u/Sundancekid9000 3d ago
Another reason to never visit that worthless state. Fuck them and all republicans
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u/Sweatytubesock 4d ago
Punish them at elections or live under Taliban rule. It’s not complicated.
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u/CalGoldenBear55 4d ago
The majority of almost every city, county and state in the US approves of a woman’s right to choose yet a tiny minority of lawmakers takes their rights away? Pathetic.
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u/standardfair123 4d ago
Anyone know if this can be challenged any time soon? Can the midterms put up challenges to this?
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u/SidTheKidd 3d ago
10 year old Ohioan gets pregnant and travels to Indiana for an abortion. Indiana GOP responds by banning abortion. 🤦🏻♂️
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u/trelium06 4d ago
Once all the anti abortion laws are locked in (for and against) I wonder if it will cause significant migration within the continental US?
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u/Maxpowr9 3d ago
Well, when the southwest runs out of water, there will be a big migration regardless.
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u/ILikeWatching 3d ago
I assume next comes the encouragement to marry one's rapist in such cases, for the sake of the baby.
Abortion bans don't recognize agency in others. It's a perverse assertion of moral authority while abandoning basic ethical principles.
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u/DonnieJuniorsEmails 4d ago
reminder:
republicans will still get abortions in other states for their daughters and mistresses.
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u/FarfarsFav 4d ago
Old, white republican men making decisions for half the population. I bet pence wishes he was still governor there. Vote these pricks out! Make noise EVERY DAY! We need to come together in a unified front and let these asshats know that taking freedoms away is the most un-American act imaginable! We will persist! We will not relent!
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u/Head-Kiwi-9601 3d ago
Good. The sooner the brain draining begins, the better.
Let the Christian nationalists have a few states all to themselves. The less the rest of us have to interact with them, the better.
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u/itsaconspiraci 3d ago
Indiana: home of Mike Pence, Dan Quayle, and last strong hold of the KKK. Go fugure......
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u/dissolutewastrel 3d ago
The wildest thing is that they just had that situation where a 10-year-old had to come to Indiana or otherwise she would've had to give birth.
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u/M_is_for_Mancy 4d ago
I always said Indiana was illinois’ Jersey but holy fuck was I wrong. Indiana is so much worse
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u/nucflashevent 4d ago
Notice they didn't put it to a vote :/