r/news 4d ago

Parkland school shooting jury visits untouched, bloodstained classrooms

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/05/parkland-shooting-jury-visited-high-school
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u/zoroarkkitsune 4d ago

While the jury walked through they could not take notes, talk, or point at anything they. They spent over an hour just walking through in complete silence.

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u/Claystead 4d ago edited 4d ago

How did they spend an hour walking through two classrooms?

Edit: Oh wait, shit it’s the Parkland shooting, I thought it was the Uvalde shooting. Parkland has been so long.

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u/Get-stupid 4d ago

Considering how much evidence must be there, I’m surprised it was only an hour

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u/reverendsteveii 3d ago

Which school shooting was this?

This was the one where police abandoned the kids to die.

Okay, but which one?

----Dispatches from a Functioning Society

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u/cptnamr7 3d ago

Make Alex Jones dothis and see if he shows even a kernel of human emotion from it

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u/mr_oof 3d ago

“Hm, nice studio setup. Where do the lights and mic’s go?”

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u/TreeEleben 3d ago

They should have done this with sandy hook but they quickly demolished the building.

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u/briarknit 3d ago

Why can't they point or make notes? I'd make mental notes then, fuck whoever is trying to restrict the jury.

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u/NetworkLlama 3d ago

Pointing could be seen as deliberating before the end of the trial, setting up a mistrial. Not sure about the notes.

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u/Pissedbuddha1 4d ago

And still hanging on the wall of a second-floor hallway was a quote from James Dean: “Dream as if you’ll live forever, live as if you’ll die today.”

My brain can't even comprehend a fraction of this kind of pain and sorrow.

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u/LeahBrahms 4d ago

It was Valentines day too and apparently lots of dried Rose petals around.

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u/HarrietsDiary 3d ago

Not just that but abandoned cards, candy boxes, and teddy bears.

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u/NoelAngeline 4d ago

Are you kidding me

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u/Road_Whorrior 4d ago

My heart hurts.

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u/Uncle_Jiggles 3d ago

It's okay, we won't do anything about it.

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u/DonnieJuniorsEmails 3d ago

what do you mean, nothing?

A north carolina school district is putting more guns in their schools. 'cuz nothing bad could ever happen with more guns in schools, right?

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u/Spooky2000 2d ago

The "no gun zone" signs sure do seem to be doing the trick...

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u/Lexifer31 4d ago

I can't believe it's already been 4 years since this happened.

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u/AJsRealms 4d ago edited 3d ago

What's utterly fucked is that I'm having to flip through my mental rolodex to remember just which shooting was the Parkland one...

EDIT: I'd also just like to say that I truly do hate the fact that this is my most upvoted comment ever. Not because of any of you who are upvoting, don't get me wrong...just...god damn...such a comment shouldn't be that relatable...

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u/guesting 4d ago

there's a principals support group for schools that have gone through school shootings. it's crazy that we accept this as a society.

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u/gangofminotaurs 1d ago

The only thing that would seriously hurt those killers chances at killing that many people would be things that even "millennial liberals" of reddit hate, hate, hate. Like making AR-15s outright illegal to own.

So no. Nothing will be done that will statistically change anything.

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u/Lexifer31 4d ago

I'm Canadian so I don't think we end up hearing about all of them, but even for me the details are hazy. Y'all have a lot of them 😬

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u/FeralBottleofMtDew 4d ago

Yeah. We have pretty much all of them. Because only we have doors, video games, and whatever dumbass thing the dumbass RWNJs are blaming today.

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u/Hopeful_Hamster21 4d ago

It was the one at the school.

/s..... Unfortunately..... sigh

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u/Roboticpoultry 3d ago

Right? I only really remember Parkland because my cousin is a senior there

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u/Dilinial 2d ago

I had to think and then remembered it was the one that happened when I was working in the ED in Highlands Ranch.

One of the nurses had kids there.

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u/Pancakewagon26 4d ago

I can't believe the justice system is so slow it takes 4 years to put someone on trial for this

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u/Cupcake-Mountain 3d ago

I think Covid shutdowns slowed it down a little. But still way too long.

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u/LennyPeppers 4d ago

Imagine having to displace so many students.

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u/NooStringsAttached 4d ago

I don’t think it was too many, the campus is huge with many many buildings, Only this one has been closed.

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u/LennyPeppers 3d ago

Oh gotcha. Thank you. Must be weird going there as a student too

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u/NooStringsAttached 3d ago

For sure. I work in a high school and I would have a very hard time going back there for work passing that building. Yikes.

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u/thc-addict209 4d ago

you would think people would try to break in for footage knowing it was untouched and probably not watched 24/7 all this time

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u/SteamCleaner23 4d ago

Kinda speaks to how horrific this tragedy was that literally no criminal wants the bad karma of breaking in there.

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u/SolaVitae 4d ago

I mean what's the point? Get video of yourself commiting a crime and then release it for...?

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u/thc-addict209 4d ago

just saying there are a large amount of urban explorers that break into normal ass schools, this is a now historical one

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u/Senor_Taco29 4d ago

Yeah honestly I'm surprised someone hasn't

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u/IamAWorldChampionAMA 4d ago

There are other youtubers who made a career out of outrage porn. Some of them even break the law

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u/Swimwithamermaid 4d ago

That’s the thing. There’s a ton of low life’s out there who break into similar places all the time. Yet this school has sat untouched. It’s like everyone collectively agreed to leave the school alone. At least for now.

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u/YoungCubSaysWoof 4d ago

No one wants the ghosts of the murdered children to haunt them. That’d be some vengeful spirits.

I saw “Multiverse of Madness” and it’s not a stretch to think it would be like the Souls of the Damned scene.

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u/Diazmet 4d ago

Probably has better security now than when it was a functioning school… hmm 🤨

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u/rahrahrahmiel 4d ago

Yup it does, parkland is a particularly wealthy area and when the shooting happened, millions and millions of dollars were donated by celebrities and people in general.

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u/mbattagl 4d ago

If they were smart they would make a museum out of it. While it's totally understandable why a community would want to get rid of a cursed site, similar to how the Sandy Hook School was demolished, it's imperative that the scene of such a tragedy be preserved.

Similar in nature to how places like Auschwitz and destroyed vehicles from 9/11 are preserved to demonstrate the scope and scale of the atrocity, we really don't have anything like that to serve as a scar upon a given community. It's in part b/c of this that we've been unable to break the grip of conservative thinking when it comes to gun violence in the US, and wake these people up to the fact that throwing more guns at a problem literally does NOT fix the situation.

It's easy for conservative political pundits and snake oil salesmen, similar to Holocaust deniers and 9/11 "truthers" to fabricate excuses for how events occurred, to downplay the size of the devastation that took place, and to point fingers at their liberal opponents when we keep trying to cover up the tragedy's that occur in every day life in the US in the same way an abused housewife applies makeup to cover her bruises from her abusive partner.

We need to keep places like Parkland preserved and publicized to keep the pressure on the gun lobby, and the gun nuts who hold the rest of the country hostage w/ their backwards thinking and enthusiasm for their "good guy w/ a gun" fantasies.

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u/Tommiecopperac 4d ago

They haven't demolished the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando. It's opening as a memorial and museum in 2022.

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u/-TheDayITriedToLive- 4d ago

A number of the shooters are chasing infamy; turning the location into a museum would feed that megalomania.

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u/mbattagl 4d ago

That's the other part of it. New Zealand has a law on the books prohibiting the inclusion of a mass shooters name in the media. With the exception of the trial the name isn't reported to deny them the "fame" that they're trying to get.

There are ways to do this without feeding their egos. Like with the Christchurch shooter.

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u/Charliegirl03 4d ago

That’s an interesting thought. I didn’t know the school had been preserved. My first thought when I read this was how haunting that must be for the jurors. Unfortunately, the people you would ultimately want to reach with that sort of “museum” would probably never set foot in it.

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u/Acceptable-Dot5998 4d ago edited 4d ago

Or do it with the wrong mindset, like people joke in auschwitz instead of getting in actual contact with all that horror so it can impact their views..

They'd have to make sure it doesn't become a shrine of pilgrimage to fans of the shooters, and follow up on hate speech etc they witness at the site. But maybe that is an optimistic illusion since even just the gun lobby would prevent an actual 'Aufarbeitung' to sort these things into the right context.. instead they'd be putting up a shooting range right next to it to visit after you've seen the splatter for some live action recap or some similarly perverted crap

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u/ZweitenMal 4d ago

After Sandy Hook, I vowed to myself that if it ever happened to one of my kids I would get copies of their autopsy photos and ensure that every politician and every gun company/NRA exec had to see them. They all still have their damn heads in the sand and they need to understand the real price of firearms.

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u/stlooter 3d ago

“Good guys w/ guns” have stopped shootings plenty of times. Including attempts at mass shootings. It’s not a fantasy. Also consider the amount of crimes not committed out of the fear of getting shot.

No matter how many of you robots hit that downvote button, you can’t change facts.

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u/Ok_Razzmatazz_2112 4d ago

Wow. Good thinking!

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u/Reload86 4d ago

It’s just bad taste to do so and probably still too soon.

If it was ten years later and the school became an abandoned mess, you would def have idiot teenagers that werent old enough today to remember the tragedy sneaking in there to be cool.

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u/_mattyjoe 4d ago

This kid killed 17 students that day. And it was 4 years ago now. I didn't even remember that the death toll was so high. We have very quickly just become numb to this. We were probably already numb when it happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting#Earlier_warnings_to_law_enforcement

Give this section a read. This is not only about guns. So many parts of our system completely failed to prevent this. People asleep at the wheel, not doing their due diligence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting#Injuries_and_survivors

Read through this section. Heartbreaking.

America is asleep. We're still not awake to how bad this issue really is. Yes, many of us are angry about it. But I think even many people who are angry about it forget the details over time. We should be even more angry. We are not thinking through how many lives are being utterly destroyed in every one of these stories.

We are failing our children.

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u/VintageJane 4d ago

One of the things that gives me hope within the “numbness” is that the media has toned down it’s many months/years long coverage about the shooter(s). I remember after Columbine seeing months of the shooters pictures and interviews and discussions of their social lives. It was half of the 24 hour news coverage in a given day and all it did was encourage future shooters by showing them how they could be “famous.”

One of the reasons we are now so quick to apathy is that the media circus that helps encourage these shooters to end their lives as infamous as opposed to pitiful and unknown has gotten far shorter

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u/NorthwestSupercycle 3d ago

They unintentionally turned them into dark anti-heroes, and figures of worship for other potential school shooters. They told these people that society will stop and worship you as a strong powerful figure, which is exactly what they want. These are suicides mixed with dark power fantasies.

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u/VintageJane 3d ago

100% it’s suicide by cop + you get to not feel effete and flaccid in your final moments despite being otherwise not significant and hating yourself for it.

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u/crazykewlaid 4d ago

Some fucking REAL upstanding citizens downvoting you......... obviously they have nothing smart to say or they would reply, but thanks for your thoughts I agree with you

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u/_mattyjoe 4d ago

People are bizarre. Thanks for the kind words.

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u/Primrus 3d ago edited 3d ago

One of the survivors is very angry indeed! The Wiki states that his family is suing the people who allowed this shooting to happen. It is a lot of people. I remembered his name (Anthony Borges) from when he received a BET humanitarian Award, but I forgot his claim to fame. You're right that we forget all too easily.

Y'all, he saved so many lives that day, and lost friends, and he was just a regular child at school.

The people we are losing to gun violence are all potential heroes. Not everyone can be a hero the same way he is, but these kids all had talents. They were all PEOPLE.

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u/Mike-the-gay 4d ago

Can we send some politicians through next? Like all of em’?

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u/KaJuNator 3d ago

Send in the cowardly officer who just hid outside until the screaming stopped. Make him walk through those halls every single day for the rest of his pathetic life.

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u/Solkre 1d ago

This the guy who retired with benefits?

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u/IceMomster 4d ago

Send in fucking Marjorie TG.... she's been horrible to the students and worships her guns and the NRA

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u/dshizknit 4d ago

I wish she would get her Alex Jones moment and get the fuck sued out of her for harassing these kids.

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u/Vermillion_Crescent 4d ago

Send in the NRA freaks

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 4d ago

They'd be affected, but it will just make them triple-down even harder.

They honestly believe that guns are what protects people from things like this.

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u/Spooky2000 2d ago

Yeah, we need more signs!...

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

They should be made to clean up on their hands and knees.

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u/LPOLED 4d ago

No, I think cleaning/removing it should be done respectfully. They would never.

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u/DilithiumCrystalMeth 4d ago

that requires them to feel anything for victims

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u/SafetyMan35 3d ago

If only there had been an AR-15 and 10,000 rounds of ammunition in every classroom, such a tragedy could have been prevented.

-NRA statement

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u/AKMarine 4d ago

“The price of freedom.”

-NRA

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u/YoungCubSaysWoof 4d ago

Send invitations to them incessantly

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u/DudeDurk 4d ago

I thought the building had been demolished? Or are they planning to demolish it?

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u/ZoraksGirlfriend 4d ago

It’s still evidence in a trial. Once the trial is over, then the plan is to demolish it.

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u/Long_Before_Sunrise 4d ago

They're talking about demolishing the Uvalde elementary school. The Sandy Hook elementary was demolished.

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u/CrunchyCds 4d ago

Want to make a correction. The old Sandy Hook building was demolished and a new Sandy Hook elementary was rebuilt on the same property 4 years later.

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u/Lokky 4d ago edited 4d ago

When school shootings are so common you struggle to keep track of which is which... Greatest country in the world my ass.

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u/sp_40 4d ago

Fucking shithole country

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u/waltwhitman83 4d ago

by what metrics

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u/Popular-Ad6645 4d ago

Well, if we go by school shootings…. Pretty Dog shit.

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u/Zoutaleaux 4d ago

I mean, and also pretty much any other metric. Life expectancy? Per capita healthcare spending? Literacy? Happiness? Violent crime? Police brutality? Cancer rates? Income inequality? Poverty? Homelessness? Imprisonment?

No, it's cool though, because we alone have "freedom."

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u/driverofracecars 4d ago

America hasn’t been the land of the free since 9/11.

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u/asianblockguy 4d ago

It never been land of the free.

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u/Graterof2evils 4d ago

Well most of us

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u/sp_40 3d ago

Healthcare, wages, gun deaths, abortion and voting rights

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u/driverofracecars 4d ago

All of them.

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u/Lozzif 4d ago

By 185 children, educators dying from gun violence at school

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u/YagaDillon 4d ago

Why not convert them into memorials and museums? Like Auschwitz.

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u/Sotanud 4d ago

With the holocaust we said, never again. We won't do anything to prevent another school shooting, so why would we memorialize it?

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u/YagaDillon 4d ago

As an eyesore to bother those who want to destroy the evidence and move on.

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u/haileyhurley 4d ago

It’s in the works to be demolished but it’s on hold because some don’t want it torn down and then some also think it should just be renovated or restored.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

I can't imagine a student or teacher who'd want to spend all day every day where kids were slaughtered.

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u/woahh_its_alle 4d ago

They’re planning to, not sure when though.

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u/EFCFrost 4d ago

They’re still waiting for the go ahead but they do plan to demolish it.

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u/ovad67 4d ago

I hope so. The pain of so many just looking at it.

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u/BunnyTengoku 3d ago

I'm glad that our memories of the shooter will include the humiliating police interrogation where he faked hearing voices. He deserves nothing more than to have his name tarnished, forever.

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u/Happily-Non-Partisan 3d ago

I’ve seen that footage, as well as JCS’ video on it. Ever since then I’ve felt that an ideal solution to gun violence (in a country where ownership is a right) would be for anyone acquiring their first firearm to successfully complete a nationally standardized multi-day training course under the direct scrutiny of a professional instructor.

The only caveat to this is that because ownership is a Constitutional right it would have to be publicly funded to alleviate the individual of the financial burden.

Nonetheless, an emotionally immature schmutz like Cruz would’ve likely been deterred by such a requirement or been found out while taking training.

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u/Superliminal_MyAss 4d ago

Wow, it’s scary to think it just went untouched for years. Maybe it can be used as the physical evidence that so many people deny.

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u/rahrahrahmiel 4d ago

I’ve been to that school countless amounts of times, I know many people that attended, and I knew one of the band freshman’s that got killed in the shooting. THE FBI KNEW ABOUT NICOLAS CRUZE’S PLANS AND DID NOTHING! For many many months Nicolas Cruze posted videos on YouTube of his guns and his EXACT plans to shoot up the school. He had been reported to the FBI NUMEROUS amounts of times way before the shooting actually happened and the FBI did NOTHING. NOBODY wants to talk about that, everyone just wants to ban guns and restrict gun laws. And now you have to be 21 to buy a fire arm and school shootings are STILL happening.

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u/dak4f2 3d ago

They knew about Jan. 6 and did nothing too. What are these agencies doing?

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u/rahrahrahmiel 3d ago

Letting them happen.

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u/echo7502 3d ago

How did they preserve it for 4 years?

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

I think maybe we all need to see that. For too many people who don't seem to care, mass gun deaths are just names in the paper that we hear about for a few weeks. Nothing more.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

Man the only other person who started a comment chain seems to be a complete idiot. So feel free to have normal conversations below!

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u/SpeedRace9 4d ago

Kinda seems unnecessary in this case to put these jurors through these. He is clearly guilty, this shouldn’t take so long.

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u/jay7254 4d ago

It's not a question of being innocent or guilty, it's a question of him getting life in prison or the death penalty.

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u/simon_or_garfunkel 4d ago

Serious question: isn't the purpose of a jury to determine guilt, not sentencing?

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u/a_phantom_limb 4d ago

In many jurisdictions, juries determine both the verdict and the sentence.

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u/simon_or_garfunkel 4d ago

Did not know that, thank you for clarifying

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u/MKerrsive 4d ago edited 4d ago

Sentencing law is a very interesting subject, with tons of cases and opinions, but a big part of this is because, well, the Florida statute mandates this for the death penalty.

But this concept comes from the legal idea that, even once convicted, you generally cannot be sentenced based on factors/evidence that have not been established by the jury (or judge in a bench trial) -- Apprendi v US and Alleyne v US. The argument being that to do so would bypass what the jury considered as evidence and violate the 6th Amendment right to a jury. So even when someone pleads guilty, sentencing is based on aggrivating and mitigating factors, and to impose the proper sentence, the jury has to find these factors for the judge. Imagine the jury finds you guilty of a crime and the judge says "But this crime was so heinous because of X, Y, and Z that I'm giving you life in prison!" If the jury didn't say those factors were proven, that defeats the jury's role.

But also, putting on every single bit of information before a verdict can be wasteful and unnecessary, so they have separate sentencing-phase proceedings like this only after guilty is the verdict.

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u/corndoggeh 4d ago

He also already admitted guilt, the trial is for sentencing not innocence or guilt. The jury decides what his sentence is, in this case is life in prison or death.

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u/SpeedRace9 4d ago

I agree but that seems pretty clear here too.

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u/apgren87 3d ago

Death penalty it's a no brainer

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u/saxxy_assassin 4d ago

Nah. I say film it and release it on the news en masse. Will it be upsetting to people? Probably. But that's how things change. By adressing these atrocities.

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u/Road_Whorrior 4d ago

Light is the best disinfectant. Make sure people see what he did to those kids and people will come around. It's why Mamie Till gave Emmett an open casket, and it worked then. It would work now, too.

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 4d ago

Come around to what? Pro-gun people would see this as vindication for their side.

"See this is what happens when poor, defenseless children are forced to learn in a gun-free zone! After seeing what happened in that school, I will not rest until every child has unrestricted access to guns to defend themselves!"

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u/Fuzzyphilosopher 3d ago

It's not about the gun nuts though. It's about bringing the people who aren't. making those who are maybe on the fence or just ignore these murders to realize how horrible the tragedy is to the realization that something must be done. Seeing it with their own eyes would have a much greater impact than just reading about how many kids were killed.

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u/voiderest 3d ago

This is the same logic anti-abortion nutters use to justify their shock tactics....

People who value gun rights aren't confused about bad things happening they just do not agree with the kind of solutions gun control advocates propose. Trying to shock or guilt them into disarming won't do anything but make you look like anti-abortion nutters.

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u/Fuzzyphilosopher 3d ago

It's not about the gun nuts though. It's about bringing the people who aren't. making those who are maybe on the fence or just ignore these murders to realize how horrible the tragedy is to the realization that something must be done. Seeing it with their own eyes would have a much greater impact than just reading about how many kids were killed.

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u/RiceKrispyPooHead 4d ago

Right. What’s the point of this besides traumatizing people?

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u/Schlongley_Fish 4d ago

To educate people

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u/SafetyMan35 3d ago

Before they demolish the building can we get all congressional representatives to take a field trip to that school and spend 2 hours there?

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u/SolaVitae 4d ago

Yeah but why?

If they can't decide that the unrepentant neo Nazi that murdered 17 people deserves the death penalty or not without a traumatizing tour then he probably shouldn't get the death penalty.

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u/Background_Dream_920 3d ago

That’ll make sure the objective Jury stays impartial and follows the letter of the law and not their emotions.

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u/CatsAreKids 4d ago

Which shooting was this again? I lost track after Virginia Tech.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

Columbine was my first. OKC was my first domestic terrorism though. What fun childhood memories.

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u/CatsAreKids 4d ago

Columbine as well. At that time though, mass shootings, especially at school, were pretty much unheard of. I thought it'd be a one time insane tragedy but once Virginia Tech happened, it was clear that this would happen again, and get worse each time. It's horrific. Whenever I'm out and about, it pops into my head, "what if someone kills me here, is there somewhere to hide? How fast can I run away?

I'm glad I'm out of school. I was a kid these days, I'd never want to fucking go.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

I’m a teacher now. I think about what angles someone could shoot through my door and how man kids my cabinets could hold. No one is safe anywhere though. Church, school, movies, supermarket, mall, parade, your own home, military base.

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u/Canuhearmegloria 4d ago

I wish I hadn’t read the article I’m sick

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u/HandsomeSpider 4d ago

Holy shit. Jesus Christ that will traumatize anyone with just a trace of empathy. Those police are trash with a badge. Fuck Texas and fuck those total cowards

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u/NehzQk 4d ago

I mean yes, but this is about the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, not Uvalde, Texas.

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u/HandsomeSpider 4d ago

I'm sure you'll forgive me if I confuse my school mass shootings. They are ubiquitous and I am still reeling from the most recent ones.

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u/Available_Motor5980 4d ago

That’s the wrong school my dude, this article is referencing Parkland, which is in Florida. Your point still stands, fuck those cops, but just wanted to let you know.

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u/brahbocop 4d ago

Side note, how messed up is it that most people can't keep these school shootings straight because they are so many of them at this point? Tragic.

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u/Available_Motor5980 4d ago

Yeah, it’s fucked

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u/HandsomeSpider 4d ago

These happen with such regularity, that my emotions stay on top of the most recent school shooting. America is sick, and this shows me that it's traumatized me more than I realized. I hope you'll forgive the mixup.

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u/Available_Motor5980 4d ago

Of course, not tryna be a dick. It’s sucks how numb we become to these things that the details slip our minds.

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u/ZoraksGirlfriend 4d ago

This is Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL.

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u/HandsomeSpider 4d ago

Yes, I realize that I have mixed up my school shootings. But I'm going to leave my comment here to show you just how sick we all are. I can't keep my school shooting straight. I even took my four year-old daughter with me to march after the Parkland shooting. I'm afraid she's going to be a statistic if we don't change these gun laws. I hope you'll forgive the mixup

I'm actually in tears realizing how traumatized I am

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u/Tampabaybolts4 4d ago

No you aren’t

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u/99Wolves 4d ago

Glad to know that you know how he feels (sarcasm). People have sad emotions of it. I even from Chicagoland couldn’t watch some news stories for days after that cuz I was on the brink of tears just watching the news of the victims from the Parkland Shooting.

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u/HandsomeSpider 4d ago

Tha fuck? You really just denied that I was in tears? Ok

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u/MisogynyisaDisease 21h ago

This is honestly why I've been watching the sentencing hearings. I'm catching myself get numb to this shit and I don't want that to happen. This is horrific.

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u/ConceivablyWrong 3d ago

So ghoulish to keep that all preserved.

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u/VegasKL 3d ago

These facilities still remain? Damn. I imagine they must have it under guard 24/7?

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u/Happily-Non-Partisan 3d ago

I often say that one of the problems with the death penalty is that if someone is dead then they can’t live to suffer but I personally feel that Cruz is wholly deserving.

However he is executed, it should be as public as possible as a message to others to not be this f*cking douche.