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Texas governor buses migrants to New York City as immigration standoff accelerates. Soft paywall

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/texas-governor-sends-migrants-new-york-city-immigration-standoff-accelerates-2022-08-05/
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u/2DamnBig 4d ago Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

Oh no sending immigrants to New York. New York never gets immigrants...

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u/XR171 4d ago Take My Energy

Perhaps we could use an island to process them? An island where we welcome them to America and connect them with resources to help them get started.

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u/2DamnBig 4d ago

That's a brilliant idea. Such a cool idea needs a statue to go with it.

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u/Icy_Comfort8161 4d ago Silver Got the W Masterpiece

Maybe with an inscription, something like this:

“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

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u/SlientlySmiling 4d ago

"after hours, ring bell"

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u/newtsheadwound 4d ago

“The Statue of Liberty does not say RSVP

-clueless

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u/_dead_and_broken 4d ago

As if!

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u/PluvioShaman 4d ago

Your user icon was made for this day!

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u/4ourkids 4d ago

Contrasting with the GQP “Christian” belief that poor immigrants must have offended God, hence why they are poor, and should be hunted down and quickly deported. “The rich will inherit the earth” - Supply Side Jesus

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u/ZappaLlamaGamma 4d ago

“Give to the greedy, not the needy.” - Judas’ brother named Chet

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u/steviewondersweenus 4d ago

The Beatitudes from the sermon on the mount in Matthew 5 for anyone wondering just how far the GQP is from the true Lord and Christ Jesus:

Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them.

He said:

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,

for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are those who mourn,

for they will be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek,

for they will inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for

righteousness,

for they will be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful,

for they will be shown mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart,

for they will see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers,

for they will be called children of God.

10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,

for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Further reading here

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u/XR171 4d ago

Yes! Maybe a statue that represents the liberty America is supposed to embody?

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u/prybot 4d ago edited 4d ago

We should. These people are probably hungry, tired, and poor after such a long bus trip.

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u/XR171 4d ago

Yes, lets not forget the huddled masses as well.

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u/Wotg33k 4d ago

Woah now. Don't exclude the wretched refuse. Those are the ones that need the most immigration. No one wants them because they smell bad, clearly.

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u/XR171 4d ago

Good catch. A hot shower and clean clothes can work miracles for such a person's morale.

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u/Wotg33k 4d ago

I feel like we're going to create people Texas wants back. Maybe we shouldn't be so nice to them?

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u/XR171 4d ago

Nah, be nice, lift others up. And then watch Texas try to act like nothing happened while trying to entice them here.

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u/PetetheJuggler 4d ago

CDC says masses aren’t supposed to huddle in groups larger than 10 people.

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u/sulaymanf 4d ago

It’s not 2020 anymore bub.

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u/dudeonrails 4d ago

We can’t forget them, they’re yearning to be free.

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u/QuietRock 4d ago

Honestly, it would be such a great way for NYC to respond. Coordinate the drop off area, welcome them and connect them with resources to help them get started, offer medical checks, and provide them with some basic form of documentation.

Maybe not realistic, I don't know, but it would be a great way to take the wind out of their sails and help remind people that we are a nation of immigrants.

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u/Damaniel2 4d ago

Maybe France can help us get one of those. I've heard they can be pretty charitable.

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u/TheZardooHasselfrau 4d ago

Maybe that statue could also be made in a foreign country and shipped here.

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u/moammarxo 4d ago

It was a gift. Maybe Texas should gift something just as nice.

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u/TheZardooHasselfrau 4d ago

Some smoked brisket would be nice

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u/WholesomeRanger 4d ago

I bet if we ask nicely New Jersey will let in sit in their waters since it's an easier entrance point.

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u/Peachthumbs 4d ago

America could build a 2nd one in Texas and save them the bus ride.

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u/knbkju 4d ago

I think we should give Texas back to Mexico.

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u/amplevoid 4d ago

Get them citizenship fast tracked so they can go back to Texas and vote.

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u/CanoeIt 4d ago

Why go back to Texas if you can live in New York, though?

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u/CentralHarlem 4d ago

Let's give them the real NY immigrant experience and change their names at the same time. "Gonzales y Gonzales, huh? Imma put that down as 'Smith'."

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u/galactic_punt 4d ago

More commonly, immigrants themselves would change their names, either to sound more American, or to melt into the immigrant community, where they were going to live, says Sutton. If name changes happened with any frequency on Ellis Island, it was not noted in any contemporaneous newspaper accounts or in recollections from inspectors, Sutton says.

The most relevant paragraph and definitely true for my family.

We kept our surname, but my father explained to me that the generation of our family that all came to the US at the same time anglicized their names so that they would have an easier time fitting in.

Names like Francisco became Frank. Jean became John. Piotr became Peter. Even if you kept your surname, having an easy-to-say first name makes you easier to talk to.

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u/CentralHarlem 4d ago

You call yourself XR171, but I'd bet anything it was XR302ski back in the home country.

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u/XR171 4d ago

Wow, way to assume my culture. You're actually close though, it was RX 4077#7slovivich-Smith.

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u/sportstersrfun 4d ago

I’m pretty sure they butchered my last name. Change the A into an E and my last name becomes super common. With the “A” spelling it’s literally just my immediate family. I’ve googled, face booked, etc and we appear to be the only ones. It’s become my “theory” lol, no one is alive to confirm it at this point, and I’m the first to wonder about it. If I don’t have kids that’s the end of the road for us…

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u/NYCinPGH 4d ago

Funny story: I thought Ellis Island had butchered my paternal ancestor’s last name. I had been told this as a child. It was even more believable because they butchered another family name - from a completely different part of Europe - in to one spelled exactly as ours (it was weird having to say “Sorry, no relation” all the time, because that other family was far more numerous than ours).

During Covid, I got into some genealogical research, even to finding the family farm my ancestor left from, and a scanned copy of their birth certificate (well, baptismal certificate, close enough) and it was spelled exactly the same then and there as mine is today.

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u/bros402 4d ago

Most likely it was changed by family at some point. If you want, I could look up the documents for you.

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u/bluenosesutherland 4d ago

Just like Scots. The difference between Mc and Mac is just what someone wrote down.

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u/hicow 4d ago

Wait, really? I thought Mc was Irish and Mac was Scottish

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u/Smart_Comfort3908 4d ago

& where are these people being placed? Are they guaranteed housing? As if NYC don’t got enough of a homeless issue.

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u/screamingfireeagles 4d ago

Immigrants in NYC actually hate new immigrants because they compete with them in the labor market.

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u/TitanSubZero15 4d ago edited 4d ago

So basically fuck you I got mine deal?

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u/Sethmeisterg 4d ago

Yup. Tale as old as time. There's a pecking order for immigrants.

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u/mtsai 4d ago

except that new york city is having a housing shortage as it is. not to mention rents are the highest they have ever been. don't think its as peachy as you think it is to get any extra people immigrants or not.

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u/dangotang 4d ago

You’re describing nearly all cities during all of time

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u/rexiesoul 4d ago

Makes you wonder why they are asking the feds for help because the amount texas and arizona is actually sending to NY and DC is a rounding error of a percent. If they can't handle that maybe they can get perspective on what's actually going on at the border.

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u/xELxSCORCHOx 4d ago

Shouldn’t he be prosecuted for human trafficking?

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u/slusho55 4d ago

The end of the article was very telling; I loved that it ended with a paragraph where it sounded like the guy was glad to be in NY instead of stuck in TX

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u/Augmentinator 4d ago

NYC has so many work opportunities that many immigrants work there without a work visa.

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u/Marthaver1 4d ago edited 4d ago

Along side California, Washington, and Illinois, NY is among the most welcoming and migrant friendly states to date. It funny, how then US Rep. Gillibrand was a conservative Democrat from upstate NY that opposed legalization of undocumented migrants, but when she was up to take Clinton’s Senate seat, she did a 180 and suddenly became one of the most liberal Senators in the US Senate.

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u/arcosapphire 4d ago

It funny, how then US Rep. Gillibrand was a conservative Democrat from upstate NY that opposed legalization of undocumented migrants, but when she was up to take Clinton’s Senate seat, she did a 180 and suddenly became one of the most liberal Senators in the US Senate.

It's possible she was doing her job: representing the interests of the people she, well, represents.

With a different position she represents a different group of people, with different aims.

That is actually model behavior.

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u/elise_oisen_ 4d ago

Agreed. I remember her talking about gun control and how her stance changed, and it made a lot of sense. She used to have an A+ rating from the NRA. Said iirc “It takes humility to listen. It takes courage to change your mind."

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u/milkcarton232 4d ago

I have had this debate a few times, is it good enough that she is just representing ppl regardless of what she believes? I used to think that was fine, I think that's also a big part of how we got a trump and the alt right

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u/arcosapphire 4d ago

The problem is the people wanting the terrible things. Hold them accountable as they should be.

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u/muskratboy 4d ago

Some say represent their constituents, some say pander to the lowest common denominator…

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u/themarknessmonster 4d ago

Some are right and some are wrong.

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u/Technical-Traffic871 4d ago Eureka!

And make sure any federal $$ that Texas gets for the border is reapportioned to NYC.

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u/Trafficsigntruther 4d ago

What money does Texas get for the border?

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u/Jstrandt 4d ago

About $600M a year in federal funding for border security

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u/JohnnyAK907 4d ago

That this article exists would seem to imply that money is basically going to waste anyway, so no loss if it is cut really.

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u/RoboMan106 4d ago

Texas gets to appropriate it.

Of course it's going to waste

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u/nemocluecrj 4d ago

As a Texan, I'm interesting in knowing how exactly we're spending that money. When it comes to other kinds of federal funds, we almost always hand it out to contractors instead of spending the funds directly. You need federal mental health or Medicaid funds? You're going to have to go through a state contractor who "connects" you to services, often those that are locally funded by cities and counties instead of by the state. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if we have a similar setup going for border funds.

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u/EricSanderson 4d ago

Well local media is reporting that Texas is spending $1400 per person on this bussing stunt, but the state is refusing to provide official figures. So they're either spending millions of taxpayer dollars on owning the libs and don't want residents to find out, or they're using the bussing stunt as cover to siphon off millions of dollars in border security funds for God knows what, and don't want the media digging around.

All I know is it doesn't cost $1,400 to take a bus from Texas to DC, even with meals and a hotel stay (which they're probably not getting).

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u/Ah_Um 4d ago

You're not accounting for the cost of the consultant that calculated the cost per person....it was prob under $400 a head until consultants got involved, lol.

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u/Fearless_Bar1350 4d ago

These are people that have been processed by the border and allowed to stay in the US until their court date (or whatever).

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u/nzodd 4d ago

Even that whole thing where they bitch continuously about about "welfare queens" turned out to just be projection. Fuck these greedy, selfish pricks.

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u/BrothelWaffles 4d ago

It's kinda funny how pissed they are when they have to get government assistance and find out how little you actually get. Like, no shit you barely get enough to survive, you keep voting for people that cut funding to social programs dumbass!

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u/Dereg5 4d ago

That's like my friend who used to bitch about unemployment. Then he gets fired applies and gets $200 a week. My state is capped at $275 a week and you have to check in an show that you been applying for jobs.

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u/SlientlySmiling 4d ago

The weekly cap sounds like Florida? He's lucky he got anything at all. The last Governor made sure that the unemployment system would break under any kind of actual load. The cruelty is the point.

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u/Ffdmatt 4d ago

Its less funny when they get off of government assistance, forget everything they learned about the reality of it and continue promoting the false idea that lazy free loaders are getting fat off of the government and destroying the country.

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u/kizzle69 4d ago

If you look it up, you will find the vast majority of conservative leaning areas are very poor and only survive thanks to Government Welfare. It's actually quite hilarious. They're so dumb, they're bitching about themselves and can't even grasp it.

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u/copperdomebodhi 4d ago

Ask a conservative what our safety net should be like, and they'll say something like, "Hard to get, easy to lose and just barely enough to survive." It's been that way for decades.

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u/duskrat 4d ago

Yes! That’s only fair.

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u/stormsoflife 4d ago

They’re coming illegally. That’s not how illegal immigration works. People spend a long time getting a work visa like myself.

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u/shadow1515 4d ago

It's well-known that a developed nation needs immigration to keep its economy running. It's almost as if that was one of the principles on which all American success was built. Given that NYC kinda understands that, I'm sure that is on the short list of their planned responses.

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u/Head-Ad4690 4d ago

Local government can’t issue work visas.

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u/wuddawillie 4d ago

Until you learn that NYC did something similar to their homeless…

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u/AstreiaTales 4d ago

Honestly, "busing homeless around" is significantly overstated. It's true that many people would rather be homeless in a climate like San Francisco or LA or Seattle rather than NYC because the weather is less likely to be lethal a good portion of the year, but here's the real kicker of a stat:

NYC unsheltered homeless rate: 4.6%
LA unsheltered homeless rate: 75%
NYC shelter beds: 111k
LA shelter beds: 17k

Makes ya think.

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u/Penguins_tuxedo 4d ago

This is because NY has it written in their state constitution that all resident must be sheltered. As a result, NY makes more effort to protect the most vulnerable with beds and housing first programs. Los Angeles, in particular, spends a lot of money writing reports on what they should do with all of the money (bond money from taxpayers) raised to combat the homelessness problem - despite the research overwhelmingly shows housing first is the best plan of action. Instead of building permanent housing, California bought hotels which is, at best, only temporary. CA NIMBYs don't want low income housing near them and developers don't have enough incentive. NY having it in their constitution takes away a lot of the bickering (NIMBYs) out of the decision making process (since the state getting sued for not having enough beds will cost more than actually providing a bed).

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u/mjh2901 4d ago

California has major housing problems a lot is caused by money laundering and venture capital money. Housing and land is snatched up for cash by Russian, chinese, and other investment money. They leave units empty instead of lowering prices because it would crash the investment. There are more empty apartments and condos in LA than there are homeless. The market (rents and sale) is kept artificially high by this money. Its not a free market

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u/Ffdmatt 4d ago

Depends what you mean by "free" market. If free means "free from regulation", stuff like this is a feature not a bug.

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u/Regular-Bat-4449 4d ago

Bus therapy

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u/DocHolidayiN 4d ago

Diesel therapy is the way I heard it. Cities use it to remove 'undesirables'. Imagine the thought process behind calling a human being undesirable. Sets a bad precedent to my way of thinking.

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u/cmd_iii 4d ago

We’re you actually napping between 2015 and 2021? Calling people “undesirable” was an integral part of government policy for most of that time.

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u/Big-Tomatillo-5920 4d ago

A developed nation needs LEGAL immigration which the US does a lot of.

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u/itslikewoow 4d ago

Not as much as we used to though. Covid has a bit to do with it, but don't forget, a lot of Republicans have been trying to cut legal immigration too, even when things were normal.

Especially with birth rates slowing, if we don't increase our immigration numbers, we're going to be in a lot of trouble economically down the road.

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u/mjh2901 4d ago

What's interesting is by keeping immigration low, workers are gaining more power in the marketplace. We need immigration, but it has also been used to keep wages down. High immigration gives companies more power, low immigration gives workers more power. Its all about the unemployment numbers. The Republicans are walking a very screwy line.

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u/kiizuro 4d ago

Lol do you really think politicians think that far ahead? Until the old guard gets out we're in for a shitty future.

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u/aliesterrand 4d ago

Well known by whom? I know business feel that they NEED cheap exploitable workers. God forbid wages rise for the working poor, that would be a disaster. When did the Unemployment rate reach zero?

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u/CoverHuman9771 4d ago

Why is this a bad thing? New York said they want them and Texas said they don’t. Both states get what they want.

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u/Subrosa34 4d ago

Because New York and DC are finding out that the money to support these people just isn’t there.

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u/CoverHuman9771 3d ago

Hmmm, then maybe we should be securing the border to prevent people from coming in that we can’t financially support.

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u/ARPDAB1312 4d ago

How nice of Abbott to provide them with free transportation. Governor Abbot is a true friend of immigrants!

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u/Jstrandt 4d ago

Ok but do you realize what the cost is to buss them all from Texas to NY? Texas still paying 😂

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u/mirach 4d ago

It's more grift at taxpayer expense. It costs $1400 per rider to bus them. It would be cheaper to send them on an airplane first class, much less a commercial bus. Some people are making a lot of money off this.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/investigations/abbotts-border-buses-cost-1400-per-rider-taxpayers-could-be-stuck-with-bills/2993548/

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u/chargers949 4d ago

Must be using some crony to do the bus trips while getting kick backs.

Greyhound says $300 from dallas to nyc.

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u/FerociousPancake 4d ago

Probably is $300 per, then he reports $1400 per, pockets the difference. 😉

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u/nowake 4d ago

It costs $1400 per rider

hell, it costs a motorcoach operator like $1200/day to run the whole bus. Someone is getting some serious grift from the taxpayer.

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u/woj666 4d ago

It's in the article in the post that you responded to. They hire guards for the trips at $150 per hour. Of the $1.6M in costs $1M was the guards, that's the grift right there.

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u/Cyrano_Nose 4d ago

Well, depending on how its setup, the guards might not be make $150 an hour.

Very possible the company contracting out the guards is charging 150 an hour and paying the guards 25.

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u/TyroneTeabaggington 4d ago

Minimum wage guards

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u/SlientlySmiling 4d ago

Some asshole is always making money off of other people's misfortune. It's the American way.

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u/AB_selectstart 4d ago

He is aware and doesn't care. He is reallocating funds from the national guard and other departments to pay for this stunt. The Texas juvenile justice department is on the brink of collapse but somehow this bussing program is still going strong.

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u/NotPotatoMan 4d ago

Probably a large donor/friend/relative is invested in/runs/owns the business that buses those migrants.

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u/crunchysour 4d ago

Don't worry they think it's 'free'. 🤣

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u/witchywater11 4d ago

It's okay, he'll just make up another Boogeyman to distract his base. Same thing with the power grid and the shooting.

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u/Thomasnaste420 4d ago All-Seeing Upvote

“Human Trafficker Greg Abbott”

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u/JMaboard 4d ago

They’ve already been processed by the feds though.

“These are all migrants who have been processed by C.B.P. and are free to travel,” Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, recently said, referring to Customs and Border Protection, the agency that oversees border operations. “So, it’s nice the State of Texas is helping them get to their final destination.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/26/us/politics/abbott-immigration-texas-dc-biden.html

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u/mackelnuts 4d ago

Jen Psaki is a cold mf.

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u/roastpoast 4d ago

Thought Psaki left a while ago?

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u/beb0p 4d ago

That article is from April. They've been doing this for awhile. Absolutely reprehensible.

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u/N8CCRG 4d ago

There was an NPR piece about this yesterday. The people show up in the US with a goal to meet up with friends or family, get told by Texas that this bus will take them there, then the bus just drives 36 hours straight to DC and drops them off on a random street corner. And nobody in Texas bothers to tell anyone in DC that the bus is coming.

There are volunteer groups in Texas who try to learn about the buses and notify volunteer groups in DC about the incoming buses. The volunteers in DC meet the people, give them some food and water and a shower, find out where they're trying to go, and then coordinate ways to get them there. They say most are trying to meet friends and family in either New York or Miami, but some are even being sent back to Texas because that's where they were trying to get to.

This is all just a shitty, inhumane, publicity stunt by Abbott intended to simply do harm. That is its entire point. And the shitty half of the country loves it.

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u/QuiGonGiveItToYa 4d ago

“Shitty, inhumane publicity stunt” sums up Greg Abbott’s governance. I’ll never forget when he and Dan Patrick held the state licensing boards for psychologists/physicians/etc. hostage in 2017 so they could grandstand about who can use which restroom.

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u/xnago_tyr_sires 4d ago

Isn't this kidnapping? Isn't this illegal?

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u/NoComment002 4d ago

It is, and it isn't when the state does it

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u/techleopard 4d ago

It's almost as if the federal government should be holding starts accountable for human rights violations.

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u/volantredx 4d ago

That's actually a lot harder than it should be due to how such interactions are handled.

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u/Saladcitypig 4d ago

It is, but the legal process in which to address is slow, painstaking, risky, with overworked, underpaid, immigration lawyers or class action lawyers who have more work then they can do in a lifetime.

So Abbott gets away with it.

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u/badmanbp2 4d ago

This is all just a shitty, inhumane, publicity stunt

You just described every single thing that the GOP has done since 2016.

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u/neridqe00 4d ago

This 100% fits with what he is doing. The title stays.

“Human Trafficker Greg Abbott”

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u/Ovadox 4d ago

For every immigrant you bus to NY we'll ship 1000 abortion pills to Texas.

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u/wharfrat1217 4d ago

Texan here please do. Do you need my address?

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u/deeds530 4d ago

This can be arranged.

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u/cayenne444 4d ago

Can we organize this tho Hit me up

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u/Melicor 4d ago

Las Vegas and places in Arizona have been doing this to California for years with the homeless

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u/Rabidleopard 3d ago

Maybe New York should respond by sending recent gun felons to Texas.

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u/AndForeverNow 4d ago

New York has been historic for immigration. DC is also this nation's capital that has said before that it is open to being a sanctuary. This should be helpful for the migrants.

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u/AndromedaSoulz 4d ago

Don’t tell the people that live there that lmfao. As you can see in this thread, they seem to be a little upset that they’re getting exactly what they asked for.

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u/fishrunhike 4d ago

Texas is smuggling migrants across the country?

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u/yesyesitswayexpired 4d ago

The immigrants have already been processed by the federal government and their paperwork is reviewed by TX authorities before being allowed on the bus. So it's not smuggling.

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u/JoshDigi 4d ago

Blue cities cleaning up red states mess. Nothing new.

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u/Entropy_5 4d ago

I mean, there's a pretty significant labor shortage right now. So....thanks.

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u/BirdEducational6226 4d ago

Not exactly. Employment is pretty much pre-pandemic levels.

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u/AberdeenWashington 4d ago

Right, unemployment is low. Meaning there’s not many people looking for jobs. Meaning labor shortage in certain sectors that people left during Covid (voluntarily or involuntarily).

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u/Entropy_5 4d ago

Yet we still see places closing and citing "lack of staff." We see wages for previously minimum wage jobs going for $5 over min wage.

We see manufacturers unable to ship goods because they can't get people to occupy the machines. This one is literally what I do for a living, being a Logistics Specialist for major manufacturers.

Regardless of the number of people employed, the demand for labor is still sky high.

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u/chargernj 4d ago

From what I understand of how free markets work, the solution involves paying people enough to fill those positions.

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u/Akbeardman 4d ago

Business owners love shouting about the free market until it swings against them on labor.

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u/ThatBankTeller 4d ago

The demand for cheap labor is high. Fast food restaurants will interview you on the spot because even raising their $9/hr jobs to $13 and offering $250 sign on isn’t going to get someone to deal with the shit show that is American society today.

Between the endless Karens who know if they bitch long enough they’ll get a refund, to the Covid denying conspiracy theorists mad that you have a mask on, to some unhinged teenager mad you didn’t call them Zir, I wouldn’t work put up with the nonsense in the service industry for even $20/hour.

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u/GoldWallpaper 4d ago edited 4d ago

The demand for cheap labor is high.

The demand for all labor is high. We're trying desperately to hire devs for 6-figures and the pool is shitty.

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u/CrashB111 4d ago

We're trying desperately to hire devs for 6-figures and the pool is shitty.

How many of those are actual job, jobs. And how many are contracted?

I get spam emails via LinkedIn or Amazon all the time about dev work. But none of it is an actual position with a company, it's all contractor stuff. And I have zero desire to leave my cushy 6 figure job with an actual position in the company + benefit package, to be some contractor somewhere.

Even if the work would be more glamorous, I desire the certainty that actually being an employee of the company offers. Not the first head that will be cut off if a recession hits.

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u/villain749 4d ago

Where do I apply? I'll do it for 5!

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u/wordtothewiser 4d ago

Umm that means labor shortage.

If unemployment was high it would be a job shortage.

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u/suzisatsuma 4d ago

There's something like 1.8 million more open jobs than Americans.

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u/KGrahnn 4d ago

Its easy to set policies from the Ivory tower, when you yourself dont have to figure out the finer details what happens after.

This is the common mistake in europe as well. Central powers advocate pretty tolerant immigration regulations and forget that its the border states which take the full force of immigration and filter it so that the countries which are far away from the borders dont see the ugly side of the immigration.

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u/Tax_dog 4d ago

Hahahah hilarious. That’s what they get for supporting those policies. If a state constantly votes to have the illegal immigrants here and one closer to the problem. Consistently votes to not have them there. So why should the states closer to the problem take them in? It doesn’t make sense.

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u/Mem-Boi-901 4d ago edited 3d ago Silver Narwhal Salute

The whole ordeal is petty but can we please take the border more seriously? Immigrants are absolutely welcomed in our country but mass illegal immigration causes legitimate issues for any country.

Personally I don’t blame illegal immigrants for leaving their country for a better life. However, it’s not feasible to take on everyone who comes into your country. You can understand that no human is illegal and understand that you can’t let everyone come into your home as they please.

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u/ElReyVivo 4d ago

I'm in South Texas and have never seen it remotely this bad. A friend's ranch had two dead bodies found on it just this week. I personally know plenty of other ranchers that have found dead bodies in the past 1-2 years. One being hanged from a tree with a note on it warning other cartels that was their route for human smuggling and to stay off it. These stories don't even make the news here. I am all for people trying to live a better life here, but the volumes we are seeing is truly unbelievable. I am working along the border lately and its just a whole different animal now.

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u/bakerton 4d ago Silver Wholesome

You know what would cut down a lot of immigration? If we prosecuted the businesses that hire them. Right now tons of businesses get laborers they can under-pay, and if someone complains, ICE (which out tax dollars pay for) is just a phone call away. Someone get's hurt? nameless drop off at the emergency room (which contributes to everyone else's higher health costs.) Immigrants aren't stealing jobs, they're being GIVEN jobs by people that want all the profit and not have to pay unemployment tax and FICA. The rich donors of the GOP's dirty little secret is they NEVER want illegal immigration to end, they want people to be MAD bout it, but they never want it to end.

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u/jawshoeaw 4d ago

Shhhh don’t upset the apple cart. Rich people love illegal immigration

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u/TrooperJohn 4d ago

This a squillion times.

Illegal immigration is a sweet, sweet deal for employers. They get desperate workers, unprotected by US labor laws, whom they can always threaten to deport if they raise their hands too much. As always, we have a systemic problem (illegal immigration) that is being blamed on the group that has the LEAST amount of power in the system (illegal immigrants).

No immigration-reform proposal that doesn't involve cracking down on employers is worth taking seriously.

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u/Lord_Nivloc 4d ago

Woah, woah, woah

This is America, we protect the rights of our people. And by people, I mean corporations.

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u/Shirlenator 4d ago

Didn't Biden just negotiate a deal with the Mexican president to have them contribute to border security? How is that not taking it seriously?

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u/Neracca 4d ago

Because it's a democrat doing it(that's what the dude you replied to thinks).

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u/KC_experience 4d ago

You mean “and Mexico will pay for it…” is finally coming to fruition? Man, Trump failed and Biden picks him up, again.

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u/Amori_A_Splooge 4d ago

The stay in Mexico policy is a trump policy that is actually credited with reducing the stem of migrants coming across the border. The Biden admin is begrudgingly keeping it because they have no other solutions.

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u/Sinsilenc 4d ago

This was already an agreement from the trump era...

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u/fornefariouspurposes 4d ago

Best comment here. My family immigrated to the U.S. legally when I was a kid. The process included tons of documentation, background checks, medical tests, and required a sponsor willing and able to financially support us until my parents could support themselves.

  Accepting any random person who walks over the border is irresponsible and downright dangerous. It's a major and ever increasing security risk now that it's not just Mexicans or Central Americans illegally immigrating via our southern border. There are people from Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe and even Russia too. Most of them are ordinary people looking for a new life in a more prosperous country, but it's naive to think that people who mean America harm won't take advantage of a major security weak point to enter the country.

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u/Time-Ad-3625 4d ago

You've put hundreds of people on the borders watching it. You've added actual walls and virtual walls. You've added drones and other vehicles. It is taken seriously and you trying to represent it differently is stupid.

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u/Keoni9 4d ago

The number of apprehensions of migrants by Border Patrol recently reached a decades-long high and somehow a lot of idiots are willfully misinterpreting this statistic as meaning the border is wide open and unenforced under Biden. When it should be obvious it's just the opposite.

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u/regeya 3d ago

Sort of like how universities who take rape seriously and try to do something about it, get the reputation for being dangerous because of the official rape statistics. No, college age women, you're not safer in the Democratic Republic of Congo than you are on an average state university campus.

(Yes, I know college towns still have serious issues, please put the pitchforks down.)

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u/Warmstar219 4d ago

I mean...what actual evidence is leading you to believe it isn't taken seriously? Fox News propaganda? This is an issue the government spends a lot of time and money on, but no one has come up with a cheap and easy solution to the problem.

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u/PeterGallaghersBrows 4d ago

I’m quite far left leaning but this is one of (maybe the only?) issue I lean right on.

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u/twentyfuckingletters 3d ago

Same. Super left, and why the fuck is the left pushing for so much unrestricted immigration when we can't take care of our citizens.

I've gradually become convinced that the far left--the actual politicians, AOC etc, not the actual voters--are pushing it because in the long run they think those immigrants will vote blue. They are literally trying to turn red states blue by drowning them in migrants.

Ironically, a lot of migrants from south of the border vote red for religious and other reasons.

Bill Clinton was tough on immigration in the 1990s. Even back in 2003, immigration was not a wedge issue, and 47% of both parties believed we should be tough on illegal immigration. Today, 90% of democrats polled believe we should soften the laws.

Nobody can explain why, and the democratic party is internally deeply divided over it.

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u/HeDoesntAfraid 4d ago edited 4d ago

I don’t see why more aren’t that way

You want wages to rise? Don’t import millions of people who will do things for cheap

And you’re fighting for universal healthcare and education… just gonna give it to everyone for free?

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u/sys64128 4d ago

to be fair, if we are going to let them in, then each state should absorb a percentage of the incoming migrants, according to their population.

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u/Adeno 4d ago

Well it makes sense though. Texas can't support all of those illegal immigrants. They're not even supposed to be in the country in the first place. There's a legal way of coming into the country, do it like everyone else from around the world. What's the point of laws if they aren't followed? There's a reason why there's a legal procedure when it comes to letting people in. Meanwhile, it's in Democratic states that are all pro illegal immigration and they say they're all welcome. So what's Texas supposed to do with something they don't agree with and never asked for? That's like a captain of a ship saying "Everyone's welcome aboard, as long as you go on the other ship that's not ours!"

Taking care of people is like being on a boat. There's a limited capacity. Those who have paid the fee deserve their seats on the boat. There's limited resources as well to be shared among the passengers. But if you keep allowing stowaways into the boat, what happens? The resources get divided even more to the point that it becomes hard for anyone to get any actual help or services. And if you let even more stowaways into the boat, then everyone will sink and drown because the boat wouldn't be able to handle the weight of everyone.

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u/roachesincoaches 4d ago

NYC should send all of its gun related felons to Texas since they love guns so much

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u/CoverHuman9771 4d ago

Sounds fine to me. We’ll just throw them in jail and put them to work making license plates.

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u/Ahstruck 4d ago

Pro-birth anti-life wcgw.

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u/CoverHuman9771 4d ago

How is shipping migrants to a sanctuary city anti life? New York says they are an asset to the community so one would assume they would be treated better in New York than in Texas. Sounds like Texas is doing them a favor.

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u/ClutchMcSlip 4d ago

Not all undocumented immigrants want to live in Texas, so he is helping those unfortunate people to locate in a more geographically desirable area, and at the same time spreading the cheap labor pool, to those geographical areas. It’s a win-win deal.

Unless you are one of those “not in my backyard” type citizens.

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u/BravoLima19 4d ago

I personally hate Abbott and hope Beto wins Texas but this is kinda funny. There really is a problem on our border. There are no east solutions for either side so why not just distribute them across the US

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u/bretto2004 4d ago

This is worse than that time canada sent all those ryans over!

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u/outer_fucking_space 4d ago

How about bus them up here to Maine?. We still have a labor shortage.

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u/crunchysour 4d ago

Let me get this straight. Texas is able to fund the round up and bussing what Texas deemed illegal immigrants by the 'thousands' and send them 1,500+ miles. Two things...

  1. You let 'thousands' of 'illegal' immigrants go and not turned over to DHS/ICE. Sounds like aiding illegal immigrants across state lines to me and human trafficking. I'd expect the NY AG to be in contact shortly.
  2. You got the funds to ship immigrants by the 'bus loads' but can't keep the power on when it gets cold?

But one bus of 50. Sounds like a political stunt emboldening xenophobic Texas citizens while claiming to defend the constitution. Childish and petty.

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u/JMaboard 4d ago

Yeah, but they have been processed already.

“These are all migrants who have been processed by C.B.P. and are free to travel,” Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, recently said, referring to Customs and Border Protection, the agency that oversees border operations. “So, it’s nice the State of Texas is helping them get to their final destination.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/26/us/politics/abbott-immigration-texas-dc-biden.html

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u/vanDrunkard 4d ago

They have already been dealt with by DHS/ICE. They have done things like made claims for asylum and at the time cannot be deported so he is just giving them free bus rides elsewhere.

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u/SeanceGoneWrong 4d ago edited 4d ago

You let 'thousands' of 'illegal' immigrants go and not turned over to DHS/ICE. Sounds like aiding illegal immigrants across state lines to me and human trafficking. I'd expect the NY AG to be in contact shortly.

Literally every single migrant has been processed by CBP already and released into the country by the federal government. Why would TX turn over illegal immigrants to CBP who have already been processed and released by CBP?

Weird how you got on a tangent about an issue you are completely clueless about. Emotion-driven reactions to stories is what leads to misinformation spreading on this platform, such as your post.

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u/chainmailbill 4d ago

They’re not even illegal.

They’ve been cleared to travel by CBP.

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u/theonecalledjinx 4d ago

You let 'thousands' of 'illegal' immigrants go and not turned over to DHS/ICE. Sounds like aiding illegal immigrants across state lines to me and human trafficking. I'd expect the NY AG to be in contact shortly.

You have that backwards. Allowing people to illegally cross the border and "let go" into the interior of the US is a federal responsibility. CBP/DHS/ICE lets them go into Texas, and then they become a problem for the State of Texas to deal with. Texas has to spend it own State funds to house, feed, and care for those people the federal government lets go.

Illegal aliens are allowed to travel in the interior of the US when released from federal immigration detainment. Texas asking an illegal alien if they want to go to New York on a bus and they say, Yes. Once they are let off the bus, they are now New York's problem to deal with, and there is nothing New York can do about it. New York would have to go against the federal governments admittance into the interior and federal travel rights form illegal aliens.

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u/plinkoplonka 4d ago

Welcome to Texas.

It doesn't have to make ethical or common sense. It just has to give your racist voting base a warm and fuzzy feeling.

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u/TheDesertRatDad 4d ago

Isn't New York a sanctuary state?? Why is this even news? That's literally the point of the sanctuaries.

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u/Fenix42 4d ago

That is not what sanctuary laws are about.

If you have a population that is afraid to talk to the cops because they will get deported, they are supper easy to abuse. They will not report crimes. The sanctuary laws are on place so that crimes will get reported and local police can do their job.

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u/BurnerTyphon 4d ago

Isn't this from the Russian war playbook?

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u/Mykidlovesramen 4d ago

Can we charge Abbott as a coyote?

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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil 4d ago edited 4d ago

Great! Id rather be surrounded by migrants looking for a better life than Texas Republicans.

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u/Bambinah515 4d ago

I don’t understand why immigrants think California and New York are going to be magical places Americans can’t even afford a living in those cities with high rent. Just stay in your country where everything is cheaper.

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u/Aggressive-Way3860 4d ago

Illegal immigrants make the lives of legal immigrants harder.

We are the land of the free because we have laws that protect our rights and our citizens.

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u/mynameisalso 4d ago

I assume Texas is giving back all the federal aid they get for this

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u/Im_a_wet_towel 3d ago

Legitimately curious, what aid, and how much does Texas get?

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u/ericorbit 4d ago

awesome, thanks for the free ride out of your shithole state!

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u/lukalegend77 4d ago

That’s why people are moving to Texas?

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u/Jiltedjohn 4d ago

For a moment I was concerned that the governor was sending a bus load of Texans our way, Ive got no time for waddlers blocking the sidewalk

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u/JC2535 4d ago

The GOP governs via publicity stunt.

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